I dont know why thats happening but I think that some ppl just cant play If they dont menchen my nation, my mother, sister and other closer relatives. To bad there is no option mute local, so i dont have to see what ppl write sometimes.
the only time i have EVER lost a ship is when I took my eyes off the situation. and was alone. both bad no-no's. am i a carebear, no. am i a pirate,once again no. do i enjoy PvP, yes i do. the ONLY thing i dislike about the PvP scene is when someone decides to take the situation into a degrading smack talk session. The corp that i Belong too does not greif noobs, but we will smack them around if we find them in low sec, then we let them go and send them on their way letting them know what we did was only an educational lesson. now if you are 5-6 months old and in low sec, we consider you fair game for suprise PvP. does that make us bad, nah we are a diverse corp, mostly U.S. based we have a Photographer, professional students,Truck drivers, Military personal, and Goverment Employee's. in RL we ae all normal well adjusted people, we play EvE as a team and when we do we are able to go about our ways with little fear that we will be Ganked/suicided/griefed. does that mean we are invincible?no, it means we play with our eyes open and minimize our risk. EvE is a GAME, its meant to be FUN for all involved, if it's not fun to you then its not for you. just because you are not having fun getting blown up doesnt mean i am not having fun blowing you up.
Ive never played eve but Ive been browsing the forums here laughing at this stuff and thought I'd comment. Yes I can see the tough guys on this game like to gank noobs and "carebears" all the time because they are bored. If they had not have been playing the game so long though and reached a point where they could not be beaten by new players, ever, they wouldnt be doing it, simple as that. If there was a reasonable chance that they themselves could get killed as well they would go back into whatever other area of space and hide with their boyhood tucked between their legs. That is why I would never play this idiotic sounding game. If there is no real chance that you can catch up with the morons who are trying to ruin your game and ruin their game, then that is not what I call "sandbox".
The only do it because there are game mechaincs that allow them to do it at little risk to themselves and big risk to the other person...or they just use their pocket book to hit your pocketbook and because theres is bigger they win. I believe an adequate term for such a person would be "punk" "bish" or "sissy" or any combination of the three.
Its too bad too because I love the sound of having that freedom....but seems like its freedom that is at the mercy of 30 something year old virgins who have played the games for years. Yeah sounds like a lot of fun.
while you do make it seem as though you are trying to be unbiased at first your post completely negates that. You Quite obviously already know what you think even though you say you have never tried eve. You formed your opinion entirely based on what others have said... In other words you let someone else tell you how to believe...
though if I had to guess I'de say your a flamebait alt.
Everyone wants the game mechanics nerfed in their favor
Not even a bit of useful info anywhere at anytime there. Except for an aformation that the annonimity of the internet brings out the worst in people.
That said, I love the game enough to have three accounts.
A miner with a PVP Hulk. (surprise loser)
A complex runner with a PVP fitting. (time to die, gank boy)
And a low sec delivery boy for hire running a cloaked nano ship. ( Hi campers, going to jump now. Buh bye)
EVE rewards those who think outside the box. So as you can imagine, not many players are rewarded. For some reason the 'entitled generation' seem to think that instead of adapting to the game, the game should adapt to them.
Thus I LOL at most of the posters in this thread. Whether Carebear or Ganker all are right in character. Sheep following sheep. No solutions offered. Only attacks and whines.
while you do make it seem as though you are trying to be unbiased at first your post completely negates that. You Quite obviously already know what you think even though you say you have never tried eve. You formed your opinion entirely based on what others have said... In other words you let someone else tell you how to believe...
though if I had to guess I'de say your a flamebait alt.
lol Your post makes no sense at all. Im trying to be unbiased, I already know what I think, but yet Im letting other people make up my mind? You're all over the place, whereas I was pretty straight to the point. I dont want to play the game because there is no legitimate chance to catch up with the greifers. Simple as that. Nobody that has posted on this subject that has played the game, would deny that is true. Of course Im going to believe it, I dont have to eat a shit sandwich to know that it tastes like shit, Ill take your word on it.
People these days are just becoming less and less coherent and make less and less sense. You cant really address or approach refuting the point of the post, which is that the reason people are dicks is because they dont have anything to risk. Like I said if there was a legit chance they could get owned they would change their tune. Interacting in a mechanic that encourages that type of cowardice does not sound fun in the slightest, I dont have to play the game to know that because even the ones that do it would admit it.
I have to concur. I am a returning EVE player, having been Ganked three years ago and lost everthing I had to a griefer. Weeks of work and effort down the drain. I returned recently in the hopes of finding a good game as I saw the ratings here at MMORPG and they were good. I had hoped that some of these issues had been resolved. Once again, got jumped, lost weeks of work. I cancelled my account and uninstalled the game immediately. If I want this type of excitement, then I will stuff $20's coming out of my pockets and take a walk in Central Park at night. I have to agree that this is a game where sociopaths can have their way with other folks. If anyone thinks that this is entertainment, then I most humbly point out that our prisons are full of folks who think the same way.
Can I just say WTF? What does that have to do anything with other players? Had it been an NPC / computer on the other side the outcome wouldve been the same. You took all your stuff and got it destroyed, regardless of whether you self destructed, got shot by a computer character , npc, or player it's still your fault! Yes the game doesn't allow you to be stupid like other games where you can just "run back to your body".. ok so what . that doesn't mean its anyones fault. If i take all my stuff and put it in a ship and goto an asteroid belt and get shot up by the rats everyone would call me stupid, why then when you take all your stuff put it in a ship go get shot up by a player its suddenly the other players fault.
EvEs a great game, even for new players its easy to pick up, just follow the advice of others and ask other people when you need help. There are plenty of corps setup just to help new players. The games not for everyone, its not like many other games that offer instand gratification.
You may feel that it contains far too much griefing but i want to know what you mean by griefing.
Being rude? Ignore them or report them if its very rude.
Shooting your ship in low sec space?- read the warning message before entering low or null sec.
can baiting? - your own fault for not using secure containers
Suicide ganking? -btw this does not affect newbs your not worth the hassle
Being honest all forms of greifing fit very well into the game and they all have counters.
The devs stated they wanted to create a cold and harsh universe and they really did well. Compared to AOC which also tried to create a cold harsh world but made it far too easy to be considered harsh.
People cying about getting attacked in a PVP game that's amazing. And calling people names for it that's just sad. So when you play multiplayer shooter games and people shoot you do you insult them with rapist and sadist? Holy shit people get a grip.
This thread makes me laugh and cry at the same time. Its hillarious in all its stupidity!
1. EVE is sandbox
EVE is a sandbox. That means you are free to do whatever your heart contends within certain limits. Comparing games and RL is usually not a good thing but i will do it this time:
"High sec" or High security ares. These areas are from 0.5 up to 1.0. They are labelled yellow and green. Here you are relatively safe. Pay attention to the word RELATIVELY! You can still be killed! In real life you can be killed straight outside the police station too if the situation should come to it! So it is in EVE. In fact in EVE you cant get away from Police retailliation since that would be classified as cheating. That would earn you a ban! So yes, your killer will be shot down too. So if you get attacked in High sec space its because th opportunity where simply too great to pass on! 1. you flew a very valuable ship ppl wanted to see dead! 2.) you flew a ship with a very valuable shipment of goods! So they decided to suicide your ship. That only happends if your cargo is more valuable then their gathered losses. 3.) you get wardecced.
Sum: In empire space you are safe if you PAY ATTENTION and USES YOUR HEAD! Dont stuff all your values in one ship and flying through sites like Jita! Then you are BEGGING to be killed! Seriously!
"Low Sec" space or Low Security space is where you find the bad guys! Low sec is as Deep space marked red! As said, here it is where you find the pirates! This is what you can call shadow world or the borderland on of EVE. This is Harlem by night. Or something like that. Here you wont find the police. Ever! So how do you fly here? Well.. Carefully! First you check the map system provided by EVE to see if there ahve been recent poddings there. If you see a huge red glowing blo in that system with 400 kills in the last hour, I think its better to avoid it, right???? Ofcource that alone wont help, but by damn! its a start and I know it will help in a lot of the cases! 2. Bring friends! 3.) Use fast ships! 4.) If you are in a corporation (NO ITS NOT CALLED GUILDS!!!!!!!) you can ask them if they ahve heard about any pirate activty in these areas. 5.) Cloaking 6.) knowing the systems.
There are more too!
Conclusion: Yes, low sec is hard. Harder then deep space and way harder then the relatively safe high sec. But honestly, EVE is a galaxy in turmoil and war! What do you expect? A nanny to hold your hand?? Get a grip! Fly a cheap fast ship, be prepared to get killed often, but always always LEARN! This is a game, but its not a game of mindless wanderings! Here the intelligent will prevail! Those who use their head and keep calm!!
Deep space or nullsec. This is the player kingdoms. The realm of the players and where you really find the sandbox! Have you ever dreamed about creating your own world?? A spcestation deep in space?? or your own world?? Well this is where you do it!! Here you can controll it all!!! And I mean all!! You build the space stations, you organize your inhabitatnts and together you are creating a living and breathing world! You police your borders and ensure its safty for your citizens! It comes to a cost ofcource! And money is the least part of it! Sweath and months an years of work! It can fall ofcource, but while it lives and breathes you are creating history in EVE!
EVE is strategic. EVE requires dedication. EVE requires at least some brain. With that i mean its not for the FPS generation who wants to run in and shoot everything they see. It will tire them rather quicly. So EVE is not for all! But if you are ready to fight adn build something larger then yourself, EVE is the right game! That is why EVE is growing if slowly for 5 years now! In that time other games have launched, had its time of glory and shine, and is now dwlingling.
EVE. EVe is still a star flickering on the sky, forever glowing.
If they had not have been playing the game so long though and reached a point where they could not be beaten by new players, ever, they wouldnt be doing it, simple as that.
This isn't really the case.
Unlike other MMOs with the levelling mechanic, this is something that Eve doesn't suffer from.
There is a finite limit to how good you can be with a specific ship, as the skills affecting that ship are limited and have a maximum level attainable.
It is entirely possible for a 6 month-old player to wipe the floor with a 3 year old player depending on where their SP are, what ships they are flying and how they are fitted.
Not only is it possible, it happens on a regular basis. I myself have witnessed a 4 month old player taking on 2 2-year+ vets and only narrowly missed waxing both of them.
The difference is, those guys are better at a wider range of ships and equipment.
I can understand the thinking that EVE is a bitter and twisted game, but that is because at it's core is the simple fact that you are never 100% safe.
Paranoia will aid your survival no end, but this slowly filters out into the wider aspects of the game, hence the 'bitter and twisted'.
Even amongst those who strive to be 'good guys', like my corp.
I love the game to bits, but agree that there are any number of eejits out there who enjoy making life difficult for others.
But that to me is the fun. Without real risk, there's no real success. If the mechanics protect you - i.e. PvE servers, etc. - then you can't really take any satisfaction from your achievements, can you?
I like how some people complaining in this thread say that EVE griefers are social misfits.
The important point being missed is I reckon most people realise it is a game, don't mind going out and risking their assets (digital, not real and will be deleted when the servers go down) because they recognise this important fact.
We then have people like many in this thread who don't seem to comprehend the line between computer game and real life, and feel that they can draw up a character analysis based on someone blowing up an internet spaceship.
I even saw one particularly deluded nerd earlier in the thread voicing genuine concern that....EVE may be linked to murders and assaults IRL. I would suggest going down to a prison and conducting a survey asking how many inmates played internet spaceships.
Seriously, the level of stupidity and amount of nerds whining in the thread is amazing. I find it hard to imagine that some might be adults.
the OP says it all the main reason for me quitting a decent game because it became retarted in the end. Sad sad it had so much potentional but constant interferance by GM's who favour "their" friends and CCP fail to even make some secure space for new players... people do griefing in even higher than 0.5 my friend got wacked by a guy in 0.9 system and was quite upset that he had spent lots of time to mine to get a nice ship and then loose his ship. These things are not isolated happenings as some try to claim... lots of people are actually speaking about it in EVE forum and most people that post their stories get bashed by the very same people that is doing this shit.
EVE used to be a good game back in the beginning now it's just filled with shitheads who kills just about anyone for no reason at all. They don' care if they loose their ship in their "fun" since most of them got tons of cash anyway so their losses doesn't compare to the noob starting up in high sec.
Maybe they should just make all of EVE space 0.0 and have people go wacko on each other without concorde helping new people..
I am going to weigh in on this topic probably a day late and a buck short.
I too have been playing eve-online for a number of years. Two years, in fact, this month.
As the time has passed the game has grown larger. And with that has come people like a lot of you here, complaining about the unrestricted nature of pvp in eve.
The thing is, that for the last two years, the game mechanics haven't changed much. The game has always been about pvp. It has always been possible to suicide gank people in hi-sec, piracy has always thrived in low-sec, 0.0 has always been full of the lawless and alliances, and player corps have always been war-decable.
Clearly, un-restricted pvp is hard written into the game design of eve-online. I am not sure why some of you think this should be changed? If you don't like this aspect of the game, there are any number of [i]good[/i] pvp optional or pve only MMOs out there. Why would you come to eve, then demand it be changed? Furthermore, if some of you are "older" players, I really fail to see how you can chastize CCP for not having PVP optional.
Indeed, some of you are acting like un-restricted pvp hurts CCPs bottom line, or in other words, people quit over it. This might be true of isolated players. However, I'd like to not that you "4 year" players haven't quit. In fact, the population of EVE has skyrocketed in the last two years. Eve is now in the top 5 as far as total subscribers.
In other words, its really false to suggest that the nature of the MMO needs to change in order for eve to continue or grow.
Having said all that, its true that in some ways the game has gotten more nasty. I chalk this up to the booming population.
Lastly, I'd like to say that I have been many things in my two years of EVE. Mainly I've been a pirate and a pvper. To the guy who "quit" because of the privateers nerf, I only have a few words. Grow up.
CCP only prevented the ability of large alliances (like Privateers) to effectively have EVERY major alliance and corporation permanently war-deced and killable in hi-sec. As far as I'm concerned (and CCP apparently) using the war-dec system like that amounted to an exploit. You were never meant to be able to completely circumvent the limits placed on PVP by the security statuses of systems by using war decs. Plain and simple.
I am going to weigh in on this topic probably a day late and a buck short. I too have been playing eve-online for a number of years. Two years, in fact, this month. As the time has passed the game has grown larger. And with that has come people like a lot of you here, complaining about the unrestricted nature of pvp in eve. The thing is, that for the last two years, the game mechanics haven't changed much. The game has always been about pvp. It has always been possible to suicide gank people in hi-sec, piracy has always thrived in low-sec, 0.0 has always been full of the lawless and alliances, and player corps have always been war-decable. Clearly, un-restricted pvp is hard written into the game design of eve-online. I am not sure why some of you think this should be changed? If you don't like this aspect of the game, there are any number of [i]good[/i] pvp optional or pve only MMOs out there. Why would you come to eve, then demand it be changed? Furthermore, if some of you are "older" players, I really fail to see how you can chastize CCP for not having PVP optional. Indeed, some of you are acting like un-restricted pvp hurts CCPs bottom line, or in other words, people quit over it. This might be true of isolated players. However, I'd like to not that you "4 year" players haven't quit. In fact, the population of EVE has skyrocketed in the last two years. Eve is now in the top 5 as far as total subscribers. In other words, its really false to suggest that the nature of the MMO needs to change in order for eve to continue or grow. Having said all that, its true that in some ways the game has gotten more nasty. I chalk this up to the booming population. Lastly, I'd like to say that I have been many things in my two years of EVE. Mainly I've been a pirate and a pvper. To the guy who "quit" because of the privateers nerf, I only have a few words. Grow up. CCP only prevented the ability of large alliances (like Privateers) to effectively have EVERY major alliance and corporation permanently war-deced and killable in hi-sec. As far as I'm concerned (and CCP apparently) using the war-dec system like that amounted to an exploit. You were never meant to be able to completely circumvent the limits placed on PVP by the security statuses of systems by using war decs. Plain and simple.
as the recon you are apart or supportf those who takes joy of ruining for new people Based on your statement.. yeah EVE is a pvp game but most new people tend to try to make some money 1st before doing pvp, your type of mentality is crappy.
EVE has had lots of people flocking to it the past few years due to good markeeting but claming it to be top 5 with subscribeers on what ranking I must ask?
link please..
I don't mind people being asses as many that find it amusing to kill off noobs. Just feel that somethings like bounty is just stupid since you can't hunt the guy in high sec areas since even with a bounty on his head is protected by the stupid concorde. If EVE would be a good pvp people with bounty on their head should be able to be hit anywhere no matter sec rating... kinda stupid that the players are immune in high sec from concorde with bounty on their head and the rats aren't.
But then again never understood CCP's logic.. if they actually changed this people with bounty on their head would be more careful but then again another exploit is that you can just have your friend pod you to remove the bounty an then you're back to square one so being an ass in EVE is a win win situation and unfortunatly EVE could have a even higher amount of players if it wasn't as it is.
So to play EVE you need to be very aware that you can get killed anywhere for no reason at all.
and you can't do much about it either,, no point putting bounties on peoples heads as the exploit would be used... and security rating is a joke... it's just too easy to rat yourself back up to a positive one... that is if you as most old players spend some time in 0.0 which is also a failure imo... I mean there is no law enforcement there why would rats there yield anything when none is controlling the area... the rats shouldn't imo have any bounty or give any sec adjustment in 0.0 or areas without empires control.
The game doesn't have to change for me I have been playing most aspects of it but still feel that new players are treated badly because they really don't know how things work and the fact that they actually are not secure unless they're docked in a station.
CCP would have more to gain to give people the option to have 1 or 2 months "protection vs pvp" so people could learn a little about the game before they get killed off by some funny guy.
And most importantly the tutorial should contain a warning that tells you the risk with pvp since most new people tend to get to impression that you're safe in high sec.
I was one of the lucky ones I guess who started up when the population was low on EVE so very few incidents like this ever occured but there was on occasion some people gathering a fleet and use an exploit to go tot high sec and kill tons of noobs and concorde couldn't do anything about these players.
It has been fixed now ofcourse but this is how it is people who is bored of 0.0 because most of the time nothing happens there either unless you're in a war with someone or some just go to empire space just to kill noobs for the fun of it.
EVE has lots of nice features and graphics but in the end if you try to put up a fight against shitheads you end up in endless wars... which is also silly that corps and alliances can wage war in empire space.. but then it always come back to logic which this game fails over and over again... I mean if I had an empire I would not allow people to war inside my territory which would cause instability and make people feel insecure and ruin my empire economy but then again if it wasn't possible then the dedicated pvp'ers would cry because they can't kill people wherever they like which they have been doing in CCP's forum for well since the game got launched actually.
And finally for Revthought's comment that people need to grow up? a person wiith this type of statement is usally an asshole and will always be it at least in games but I suspect that the personality is more or less the same in real life as well.
If a person feels unfairly treated and speaks up about it makes him more grown up than you wll ever be am I afraid.
So all in all EVE is a game that totally breeds tons of I'm tough at least behind my computer since I can wack you time after time and you can't do shit about it.
EVE is a game which has a big attitude problem especially with the dedicated pvp'ers.. I was a dedicated EVE fan for many years but I felt that the mistreating of new players was just too much and CCP have always supported this type of style to play to be bad ass..
So in the end since empire space just is static anyway CCP should make all 0.0 and pvp'ers could shoot at anyone everywhere without occasionally getting interrupted by concorde or a sentry.
Its not just eve, not just in games, not just online, its everywhere, welcome to the degrade of society, been goin on for awile, can yall smell it yet, I do, revolution is coming and I can't wait to wake up to the smell of buring flesh from the riots. revolution=population control among other things wich we badly need.
me sry
I stoped posting while intoxicated cause of rants like this
The top 5 thing I recently read somewhere, I'll need to search for the link. I believe that I need to add a caveat here, and say that I think it has made the top 5 of the "pay-for-play" category. Meaning games like Guild Wars and Second Life aren't on that list. I know for a fact that CCPs key meterics for EVE have surpassed those of EQ2. This I am certain of.
As far as supporting the "ganking" of new players, I can only say a few things. First, eve-online offers an entirely free two week trial. You don't even need a credit card to set up a trial account.
This gives players two weeks to mess around and see if eve is the type of game they want to play. If they are killed in that two weeks and think it sucks, no harm. They paid nothing. At the end of that two weeks they should know that tacitly what eve is like.
In fact, I got my ship blown up and podded on day 3 of my trial account. What is more, eve offers a pretty in-depth tutorial that warns you about all the things that can happen to you. If you chose to ignore what it says, or simply close out the tutorial before you finish it, you shouldn't come complaining that you've been killed.
Lastly very very very little "griefing" of new players occurrs. In fact, can baiting a noob in a start system is a bannable offense. The incidents of "suicide ganking" talked about here require a pirate to be willing to eat 30 million isk or more.
They aren't doing this soley for fun. They are motivated by profit. Meaning that if they suicide your hauler/mining barge/mission ship this means you are carrying or have fitted something of significant value.
If this is the case, the victim isn't exactly "new" and has already made money. Enough to go flying about in something worth killing in a suicide gank.
Killing of new players does occur in low-sec. However, besides the tutorial you are warned with a pop-up screen the first time you try to jump into low-sec. This screen tells you how dangerous low-sec is and asks you if you want to jump anyway.
If you select yes, and then get blown up, it wasn't because some pirate wanted to "grief" you. Its because you PURPOSEFULLY entered an active "pvp zone."
For the pirates part they have no idea who is a "noob" and who isn't. People often use brand new alts to scout and move expensive items.
Usually, if a pirate finds out (especially in low-sec) that they've killed a true "noob" a convo from the pirate to that player will follow with the pirate offering a lot of advice and encouragement. Sometimes (I've been known to do this myself) the pirate will send isk to the person killed to replace the ship lost.
The problem with this thread are three-fold. One isolated incidents are being blown out of proportion and used to generalize the game. The game is not all about griefing.
Two people come from other games and don't take the time to figure out the game they're getting into. They play for a couple weeks, and aren't bothered by "unrestricted pvp" too much, until they get killed by it. Then they show up on the eve-o forums after losing that first Battleship they worked so hard for in a belt in low-sec.
As if they weren't warned 20 times before they got to low-sec what could happen. Again, there is a pop-up when you first try to ENTER low-sec where you are told the danger and have to click "jump anyway." Once on the forums they want a pvp optional setting.
Either that or they get pissed when they are scammed for the first time (something allowed in eve). To paraphrase an eve developer, when you log into their game you are logging into a dark distopia, you are not logging into happy fun time la-la land. If you want the later you need to pick another game.
The third and final issue is the name calling and assumptions bantered about that try to categorize and analyze a person's real life qualities based on the avatar and play style they chose in a game.
To those people, I say stfu. You don't know me, or anyone else who plays a "pirate" in eve. You have absolutely no facts in evidence about our lives.
The truth of it is often more mundane than you'd like to believe. You see some of us like pvp because its challenging. To find, hold, and kill a ship piloted by a player is 10x more difficult (no matter what the skill level of that player) than blowing up some mission rat.
And it is sometimes fun to play the bad guy. You know, this is probably why you played through KOTOR once darkside. Does this mean you are a rapist, murderer, or otherwise fucked up person? No. You are playing a role. In a game.
Yeah a game. That's what we're talking about here.
So to play EVE you need to be very aware that you can get killed anywhere for no reason at all.
You are NEVER killed for no reason. Be it High/Low/0.0, there is always a set of reasons why someone would want to kill you, or why he would not.
There are no random griefers in Highsec, everyone does everything they do for profits. If they can make profit because you haul a 500m implant in a shuttle with autopilot, then they will suicide a few frigates to get it. That's how Eve is supposed to work. People in Low and 0.0 have a different set of resons, mainly the protection of their own carebears and income.
Oh by the way, the lofty scam with warring gangs has been fixed.
So to play EVE you need to be very aware that you can get killed anywhere for no reason at all.
You are NEVER killed for no reason. Be it High/Low/0.0, there is always a set of reasons why someone would want to kill you, or why he would not.
There are no random griefers in Highsec, everyone does everything they do for profits. If they can make profit because you haul a 500m implant in a shuttle with autopilot, then they will suicide a few frigates to get it. That's how Eve is supposed to work.
People in Low and 0.0 have a different set of resons, mainly the protection of their own carebears and income.
Oh by the way, the lofty scam with warring gangs has been fixed.
There is always a reason to be killed in EvE from someone wanting to test their new setup to someone who is looking to make some heavy isk fast,could be a personal grudge,someone might have paid him etc. list goes on,basicly the same reasons someone would kill you in RL.
The top 5 thing I recently read somewhere, I'll need to search for the link. I believe that I need to add a caveat here, and say that I think it has made the top 5 of the "pay-for-play" category. Meaning games like Guild Wars and Second Life aren't on that list. I know for a fact that CCPs key meterics for EVE have surpassed those of EQ2. This I am certain of.
Ok so you think it has made up to top 5 and read it somewhere..
As far as supporting the "ganking" of new players, I can only say a few things. First, eve-online offers an entirely free two week trial. You don't even need a credit card to set up a trial account.
This gives players two weeks to mess around and see if eve is the type of game they want to play. If they are killed in that two weeks and think it sucks, no harm. They paid nothing. At the end of that two weeks they should know that tacitly what eve is like.
But then again not everyone experience this during these 14 days and even 14 days is a short period of time you might not get ganked at all durring this period not before you pay for the game.
In fact, I got my ship blown up and podded on day 3 of my trial account. What is more, eve offers a pretty in-depth tutorial that warns you about all the things that can happen to you. If you chose to ignore what it says, or simply close out the tutorial before you finish it, you shouldn't come complaining that you've been killed.
As for the tutorial I took was not very in deepth it was very simple and brief.. then again I never did the tutorial more than once so if EVE has made it better now it's good. Many still chooses not to read long EULA's and tutorials so no KUDOS for CCP.. there should be a plain bug writing when game load in that you this is a game which most likely will get you killed at some point ofourse that won't sell anything giving people a warning before they actually start the game.
Lastly very very very little "griefing" of new players occurrs. In fact, can baiting a noob in a start system is a bannable offense. The incidents of "suicide ganking" talked about here require a pirate to be willing to eat 30 million isk or more.
They aren't doing this soley for fun. They are motivated by profit. Meaning that if they suicide your hauler/mining barge/mission ship this means you are carrying or have fitted something of significant value.
If this is the case, the victim isn't exactly "new" and has already made money. Enough to go flying about in something worth killing in a suicide gank.
Very little that you know of I would expect... but when there is many topics about people complaining about it I doubt it's so few as you will have it to be. As for baiting not all noobs even know they can ban people for it and it's easy just to create a new account anyway if you get banned. Ofcourse it's pity if it's a old toon you have banned but these guys are veterans and more careful of what they do and not stupid either. As for suicide ganking it really depends on the guys wallet and some believe it or not do it just for fun because they got too much resources and nothing better to do. This topic is still regarding ganking of new players so actually not valid point here.
Killing of new players does occur in low-sec. However, besides the tutorial you are warned with a pop-up screen the first time you try to jump into low-sec. This screen tells you how dangerous low-sec is and asks you if you want to jump anyway.
Yes you get a warning when you jump into low sec.
If you select yes, and then get blown up, it wasn't because some pirate wanted to "grief" you. Its because you PURPOSEFULLY entered an active "pvp zone."'
Not everyone who goes into low sec on purpose I didn't do it 1st time when I went there.. I put auto pilot on and had no idea it was going through low sec.
For the pirates part they have no idea who is a "noob" and who isn't. People often use brand new alts to scout and move expensive items.
This is true most people have to do this because it's no point risk a good character for something simple as this since you can have alts CCP gives people this opperunity to "scout" or use less valuable toons for risky stuff. however this only applies to people that knows EVE not noobs as this topic is about.
Usually, if a pirate finds out (especially in low-sec) that they've killed a true "noob" a convo from the pirate to that player will follow with the pirate offering a lot of advice and encouragement. Sometimes (I've been known to do this myself) the pirate will send isk to the person killed to replace the ship lost.
Very noble of you if you did so but when I entered low sec and got nailed and told was very noble of a team of 5 to gank a noob they just laugh and said in your face.
There was not much encouraging there. One of my friends was actually tricked down to low sec again with the promise to get his stuff back since he was a noob. I told him not to go but he ignored me and got podded.. he was so furiious he uninstalled the game the very moment.
The problem with this thread are three-fold. One isolated incidents are being blown out of proportion and used to generalize the game. The game is not all about griefing.
You would think so but a good portion of the old pplayers has done most and is truly bored and is doing griefing spree. I've been offered many times to join up on these parties when our corp was apart of an alliance but respectfully decline the offer because I didn't see any point on making the day bad for no good reason for a totally unknown player.
Two people come from other games and don't take the time to figure out the game they're getting into. They play for a couple weeks, and aren't bothered by "unrestricted pvp" too much, until they get killed by it. Then they show up on the eve-o forums after losing that first Battleship they worked so hard for in a belt in low-sec.
No this is were you're a bit off they are actually bothered but they have no idea nor the experience as regarding all jamming and shit because well most people like to get into new and better stuff rather quickly and in EVE unfortunalty you die very quickly as well your hard earned BS is zero worth, but then again you need to know the game to know that. And most people starting out don't know that a tech 1 BS is bad and even worse if not tanked in some way. So no wonder they show up in forums complaining. You need to know about things which most fresh BS people have no clue about.
As if they weren't warned 20 times before they got to low-sec what could happen. Again, there is a pop-up when you first try to ENTER low-sec where you are told the danger and have to click "jump anyway." Once on the forums they want a pvp optional setting.
Unless you like tormenting yourself you choose to make the msg not appear again so you won't get 20 warnings more like 3-4 before you choose to disable the msg.
Either that or they get pissed when they are scammed for the first time (something allowed in eve). To paraphrase an eve developer, when you log into their game you are logging into a dark distopia, you are not logging into happy fun time la-la land. If you want the later you need to pick another game.
Scamming allowed in EVE? whaoo there was a huge issue about it in 05 and CCP clearly said that they don't support any type of scamming so scamming was NOT allowed in EVE at least when I played more than a year ago.
The third and final issue is the name calling and assumptions bantered about that try to categorize and analyze a person's real life qualities based on the avatar and play style they chose in a game.
You try to appear as a person who is grown asking others who has a complaint to grow up and yet you're not a better person are you? People will always complain if treated unfair by others in game and when you tell a person to grow up and deal with it in short makes you a very nice person.
Not really.. you support shitheads and no offense yeah you end up as one as well. It's your own choice no one else than you choose to behave like you do.
So as for name calling was rightfully placed because you support scamming and your play style as dark as you like. It was really yourself that made a name for yourself no assumpotion needed here.
To those people, I say stfu. You don't know me, or anyone else who plays a "pirate" in eve. You have absolutely no facts in evidence about our lives.
No I'm happy I don't know you and I would not ever want you as a real life friend with your mentality towards strangers well I need say no more. True I have no fats of your life except that you enjoy feeding on others misery which well you more or less have stated in your posting.
The truth of it is often more mundane than you'd like to believe. You see some of us like pvp because its challenging. To find, hold, and kill a ship piloted by a player is 10x more difficult (no matter what the skill level of that player) than blowing up some mission rat.
Yeah even my neighbourgh can be the same person as you doesn't mean I need to like him. I like pvp and a challenge but most pirates I encountred in EVE always come in higher numbers than our corp had... so yeah we had a challenge for sure but I will hardly call it a challenge ganking others.
And podding a player who has no clue about fitting a ship isn't that hard you know it, I know it but the noob doesn't. Killing a noob is not a feat and not comparable of killing an alt of an experienced player.
And it is sometimes fun to play the bad guy. You know, this is probably why you played through KOTOR once darkside. Does this mean you are a rapist, murderer, or otherwise fucked up person? No. You are playing a role. In a game.
I've been playing quite a good bunch of evil characters or roles in a game. However this is within a set of rules which involves only a few players rpg and single player games which require you to play evil.
Treating unknown people badly and scamming them makes you a imo very lousy person. I never implied that a person like yourself is a rapist or murderer but your values towards others is using your own words fucked up.
Yeah a game. That's what we're talking about here.
Yeah fortunatly for you this is a game and very fortunatly for your kind you're safe behind your screen. At least until you anger the wrong person who actually tracks you and comes for you. this has happened before altough in Asia but still possible. The guy asked for it and misbehaving even if it's a game it is still bad. Lots of people spend hours and hours in game play and there is nothing worse than to have people ruin the game or scam you because you showed good faith.
Unfortunatly a lot of people get exploited, scammed and tricked on the net even I have been scammed several times in EVE didn't make me feel oh it's just a game no biggie.. since this is a subscription game you actually pay for it and when someone scams you in EVE it's the same as they steal your real money.
This does not only apply to EVE but most of the internet is high risk to end up with people who is likely to steal your money.
perhaps my assumption taht you were trying to make the atmosphere of your post seem unbiased was incorrect.
Regardless let me break it down for you.
1. you have never played. (meaning your only knowledge comes from other people and no real working knowledge)
2. You have very strong opinions.
3. your post makes you seem very set in these opinions. (hence the "you already know what you think")
If i put those three together it screams "I know how this game is I've read this forum (a place people post their opinions) for a bit and now know about the game"
this is very much akin to the Christians vs D&D effect
1. My pasture (substitute with any other authority figure) told me this game is evil and satanic
2. Well my pasture can't be wrong about this he is very wise and holy man so I will take on his beliefs blindly
3. I will refuse to listen to any refuting things said about it and not see with my own eyes what it's like and then use my own mind to make up my opinion.
Same outcome. They are letting someone other than themselves decide how they think.
And you right and wrong at the same time. While yes you can't "catch up" in skill points. You can catch up in knowledge and isk (knowledge being 90% of power in the game). I've been playing for almost 3 years and I've got a 6 month old player in my corp who has made more in his 6 months than I have in my three years he has also downed several people who are alot older than him. Asfar as everyone being a griefer and ruining peoples fun just because? While there are a few griefers in the game (there are some in EVERY MMO) they are few and far between. pirates are not killing haulers because they think its funny and are trying to ruin your game they are doing it because you have stuff on your ship they can sell for isks. Also they DO risk loss they mabe sitting with 4 guys on a gate and say a single battleship comes through. Easy pickings. what they don't know is this guy is tanked to hell and has scrams on and buddies sitting 1-2 jumps out waiting on the signal to come in guess what if they get caught by the guy they are most likely screwed. Most of them know there are anti-pirates lurking out there hunting them and that this is a very possible outcome yet they still gatecamp It's not that they don't risk or lose anything it's that they accept this possiblity just like the people "breaking" the gatecamp accept that they might fail. Yes they run to dock if the see it comming most of the time because they are trying to profit from this and getting blown up is NOT profitable. and befor you point a finger I'm an anti-pirate I just happen to know the game i play and my role and opposed role very well.
Ok so you think it has made up to top 5 and read it somewhere..
Whether or not EVE-online is in the top 5 for total pay-for-play subs isn't really material to what I am saying. The fact is that the eve-online player base continues to swell NOT get smaller. You cannot chalk all of this up to "marketing."
Eve online offers a lot to many different people who try eve and continue to play it. Any argument that EVE needs to change its fundamentals or it will:
1. fail
2. make everyone quit
3. force CCP out of busines
4. etc. etc. etc. etc
Fails. Nothing more needs to be said about arguments like this.
But then again not everyone experience this during these 14 days and even 14 days is a short period of time you might not get ganked at all durring this period not before you pay for the game.
If you make it out of the 14 day trial and aren't tacitly aware of what can happen to you while playing eve-online you've failed to do the tutorial or didn't talk to anyone during your trial.
And your right, you could go that entire trial without being ganked. I've got a hi-sec mission running alt that hasn't been ganked in the year and a half the character has existed.
Which just goes to show that isolated instances of suicide ganking in high-sec are not the rule..
As for the tutorial I took was not very in deepth it was very simple and brief.. then again I never did the tutorial more than once so if EVE has made it better now it's good. Many still chooses not to read long EULA's and tutorials so no KUDOS for CCP.. there should be a plain bug writing when game load in that you this is a game which most likely will get you killed at some point ofourse that won't sell anything giving people a warning before they actually start the game.
That's ridiculous. So the MMO you play now, you're avatar has never been killed? Listen, everyone who plays ANY MMO assumes that they will die at some point.
As far as CCPs tutorial, I'm doubting you've ever even tried the game. Eve has a 33 part tutorial that opens up automatically the first time you log into a newly created character.
Doing the entire tutorial took me almost 2 and half hours when I was a noob. Some of the things that are covered are:
Being Pod Killed
Insurance
Losing a Ship
Clones
And Venue (When and where fights happen)
Very little that you know of I would expect... but when there is many topics about people complaining about it I doubt it's so few as you will have it to be. As for baiting not all noobs even know they can ban people for it and it's easy just to create a new account anyway if you get banned. Ofcourse it's pity if it's a old toon you have banned but these guys are veterans and more careful of what they do and not stupid either. As for suicide ganking it really depends on the guys wallet and some believe it or not do it just for fun because they got too much resources and nothing better to do. This topic is still regarding ganking of new players so actually not valid point here.
First, when CCP bans you, they ban every character attached to your IP. So single bans hit all the offending persons accounts. There are many high profile examples of this.
Second, of course people complain about dieing. They do in every PVP MMO--plain and simple.
For the most part, however, I'll stick by my guns. People are killed during the course of regular game play--for a reason. Namely they are flying something that was a juicy target for someone else.
If the victim has made it far enough to fly a ship worth killing then they aren't a true "noob" and have had plenty of opportunity to witness what can happen to you in eve.
They just didn't care until THEY get killed.
Yes you get a warning when you jump into low sec.
And unless you disable the message, you get the warning every single time you jump into low-sec.
Not everyone who goes into low sec on purpose I didn't do it 1st time when I went there.. I put auto pilot on and had no idea it was going through low sec.
Well I guess you should have done the tutorial about navigation. :-P Seriously though, when you set a destination to autopilot too it tells you in bright red where you're projected path will take you through low-sec.
Its not the games fault you didn't pay attention. Just like its not EQ2s fault if I wander on "accident" into a level 60 area and get killed when I was a noob in EQ2.
This is true most people have to do this because it's no point risk a good character for something simple as this since you can have alts CCP gives people this opperunity to "scout" or use less valuable toons for risky stuff. however this only applies to people that knows EVE not noobs as this topic is about.
It has nothing to do with the "value" of the character. Its not like there is much of a difference between a 50million sp character in a shuttle or a 800k skill point character in a shuttle. In both cases getting blown up costs you exactly the same thing... 9,000 isk.
They use noob alts because noob alts belong to NPC corps. Its not clear if the person is really a noob or an alt. If it is an alt whose scout is it? Are they hauling something worth my time trying to catch the guy? Etc.
Its about subterfuge and misdirection, not about using a "less valuable toon."
And, as a point of fact, noob alts are used to haul expensive items precisely because they are MUCH less likely to be targeted and killed by a pirate. Plain and simple.
There was not much encouraging there. One of my friends was actually tricked down to low sec again with the promise to get his stuff back since he was a noob. I told him not to go but he ignored me and got podded.. he was so furiious he uninstalled the game the very moment.
Pirates usually don't say anything to you other than "gf" (which sometimes isn't appropriate when you get ganked in a 5v1 ) unless you smack talk them in local.
So if you were like "screw you guys? You suck, you're a bunch of griefers!" You're going to be treated in the way you described.
Though I wasn't there, so I'm not really sure the situation.
When I was first killed and podded (on day 3) I was convo'd by the guy who killed me. We chated, I asked questions, he offered advice and sent me enough isk to fit 3 combat frigates. Much later I actually merged my corp with his and we flew together for thebetter part of a year.
You would think so but a good portion of the old pplayers has done most and is truly bored and is doing griefing spree. I've been offered many times to join up on these parties when our corp was apart of an alliance but respectfully decline the offer because I didn't see any point on making the day bad for no good reason for a totally unknown player.
First, I have serious doubts that "old" players are what they say they are. If they were "old" players they'd remember the days of m0o (before my time even) when there were no limits on pvp at all. No concord to kill someone for shooting you in hi-sec, no gate guns, no faction police etc.
If the game has gotten a bit nastier I chalk that up to simple economics. There are now 40,000 logged onto the server at any given time (up from the 12,000 when I started playing). Given the same amount of finite game resources with nearly 4x the players, there is more fighting over them.
Then there is goonswarm. I won't even comment about these metagaming SA retards who've said repeatedly that they'd like to destroy eve and CCP.
No this is were you're a bit off they are actually bothered but they have no idea nor the experience as regarding all jamming and shit because well most people like to get into new and better stuff rather quickly and in EVE unfortunalty you die very quickly as well your hard earned BS is zero worth, but then again you need to know the game to know that. And most people starting out don't know that a tech 1 BS is bad and even worse if not tanked in some way. So no wonder they show up in forums complaining. You need to know about things which most fresh BS people have no clue about.
Well I guess that's part of the learning process. If they've never visited the forums, never talked to anyone in-game about what they should be flying and where, and they just assume "geepers I'm in a Battleship and I can take on those nasty player pirates if they attack me in low-sec" they aren't using their brains. And when they are killed, because they've jumped in an active pvp zone that they've been warned about before jumping into it, there is really no excuse.
If you are truly bothered by what happens when you do this, go play a different game. Again there are a number of good pvp optional or pve only games out there. You shouldn't be on the eve-o forums demanding that a niche pvp game be changed to your liking by removing the pvp.
Unless you like tormenting yourself you choose to make the msg not appear again so you won't get 20 warnings more like 3-4 before you choose to disable the msg.
Either way, you've been warned. If you've seen it 4 times then disabled it, I assume you know exactly what's possible when you're jumping into low-sec. If you ignore the warnings that's your fault not the games.
Scamming allowed in EVE? whaoo there was a huge issue about it in 05 and CCP clearly said that they don't support any type of scamming so scamming was NOT allowed in EVE at least when I played more than a year ago.
Scamming has always been allowed in eve given in-game mechanics. That is to say, if you can convince someone to give you money in-game either by chatting to them, or through the contract system, you can keep it.
Where scamming is NOT allowed is where real money is involved. So you will get banned for selling fake play-time cards for isk (CCP allows you to buy playtime cards from other players for isk) or character sale scams (you can sell characters for isk also).
Everyone should be aware of this given that some of the eve-online scams have been so huge that its made multiple industry publications.
You try to appear as a person who is grown asking others who has a complaint to grow up and yet you're not a better person are you? People will always complain if treated unfair by others in game and when you tell a person to grow up and deal with it in short makes you a very nice person.
Not really.. you support shitheads and no offense yeah you end up as one as well. It's your own choice no one else than you choose to behave like you do.
So as for name calling was rightfully placed because you support scamming and your play style as dark as you like. It was really yourself that made a name for yourself no assumpotion needed here.
This doesn't even deserve a response. But I will. So I am a bad person because I treat people "unfairly" and support a pvp MMO?
That's fine I suppose, but everyone who plays the terrorists in counter strike better also be bad people, and when they snipe a first time CS player, they're unfairly treating that first time player, which I guess makes the "shitheads."
And by the way, the only person I ever told to grow up was the guy who was complaining that the Privateers nerf was unfairly LIMITING PVP. So I was defending your point of view to some extent. Its interesting that you'd critique me for it.
No I'm happy I don't know you and I would not ever want you as a real life friend with your mentality towards strangers well I need say no more. True I have no fats of your life except that you enjoy feeding on others misery which well you more or less have stated in your posting.
Again, the internet is no judge of character. You don't know me, and you don't know anything about me, other than I like eve-online and I can articulate a defense of the design of the game.
In a larger sense I fail to see why you've characterize me as you have. I haven't called anyone names, I haven't been combative (except when telling people who know nothing about me to stop calling me a rapist). I've even told you that I provide every "true noob" I kill with the isk to replace their stuff and advice, yet you are still seeing me as a "bad" person.
My guess this has more to do with boosting your own ego by othering a playstyle you don't understand and essentiallizing it. If this is the case than this entire post is a waste of my breath, because you'll never even TRY to get it. Your own identity relies on me being what you've essentialized me as.
Also, for those who are paying attention, pirates mostly fight other pirates these days. That's what they're doing 90% of the time.
And anti-pirates blob more than pirates. But the fact is, everyone blobs. It happens.
I've been playing quite a good bunch of evil characters or roles in a game. However this is within a set of rules which involves only a few players rpg and single player games which require you to play evil.
Treating unknown people badly and scamming them makes you a imo very lousy person. I never implied that a person like yourself is a rapist or murderer but your values towards others is using your own words fucked up.
First I never suggested that it was you who implied those things. That was meant as a critique of this thread generally. Second, again I am not calling anyone names here. I'm not the one who is saying "geese you're a shithead" or "you are a fucked up person." In my opinion that sort of behavior on your part reflects more on you than it does me.
However, I understand that this is the interweb. Things are not always as they appear. In the final analysis it doesn't really matter what you think or say. My game--eve--isn't going to change. You can sit on your throne and castigate me for participating in an openly un-restricted pvp MMO all you want.
I will steadfastly deny that eve is all about griefing. Most people who play understand, shit happens. Pirates (like myself) sometimes get ganked and blobbed by other pirates and anti-pirates. Sometimes my hauler alt gets suicided.
We don't get too worked up about it though. Its the nature of the game we play--like the phrase "its part of the game."
The real problem is total lack of understanding in regards to what eve is, and what eve is trying to be. If you would have an open mind while you approached the topic you'd note... its just a game, a game that's focus is pvp.
Like many other games such as Call of Duty or Halo. The difference is there is a real penalty for dieing. Some people take that penalty too personally. Especially those who expect eve to conform to other MMOs.
For the vast majority of us who play eve though its this penalty that MAKEs the game what it is. I still, after two years, get a rush of adrenaline in every fight I get in. Doesn't matter with whom, or where... because I realize I've got a lot riding on the fight. Even if it looks like this is a sure win for me, I wonder "are his friends going to jump through that gate?" And if I lose, my nice fancy pvp ship goes poof. All gone.
Yeah fortunatly for you this is a game and very fortunatly for your kind you're safe behind your screen. At least until you anger the wrong person who actually tracks you and comes for you. this has happened before altough in Asia but still possible. The guy asked for it and misbehaving even if it's a game it is still bad. Lots of people spend hours and hours in game play and there is nothing worse than to have people ruin the game or scam you because you showed good faith.
Unfortunatly a lot of people get exploited, scammed and tricked on the net even I have been scammed several times in EVE didn't make me feel oh it's just a game no biggie.. since this is a subscription game you actually pay for it and when someone scams you in EVE it's the same as they steal your real money.
This does not only apply to EVE but most of the internet is high risk to end up with people who is likely to steal your money.
So let me get this right then, you are saying that people who play pirates in eve deserve to be hunted down in real life? And you are lecturing me about the type of person I am? I think you just made my argument for me with this one.
And you're right, it is a subscription game. A game that, if you play eve, you know the rules too. Its also a game whose subscription you can cancel at any time. Its not as if eve is the only MMO in existence. AGAIN, to paraphrase an EVE developer, if you want to pay-to-play a game where you log into happen fun time la-la land then don't play eve. The developer in question directs people who do want to play happy fun time la-la land to hello kitty online. I wouldn't go that far, having worked in the video game industry for awhile there are a LOT of great pve and pvp optional games out there already besides hello kitty. My guess is you're playing one now.
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Sad but true I have to admit.
I dont know why thats happening but I think that some ppl just cant play If they dont menchen my nation, my mother, sister and other closer relatives. To bad there is no option mute local, so i dont have to see what ppl write sometimes.
Ive never played eve but Ive been browsing the forums here laughing at this stuff and thought I'd comment. Yes I can see the tough guys on this game like to gank noobs and "carebears" all the time because they are bored. If they had not have been playing the game so long though and reached a point where they could not be beaten by new players, ever, they wouldnt be doing it, simple as that. If there was a reasonable chance that they themselves could get killed as well they would go back into whatever other area of space and hide with their boyhood tucked between their legs. That is why I would never play this idiotic sounding game. If there is no real chance that you can catch up with the morons who are trying to ruin your game and ruin their game, then that is not what I call "sandbox".
The only do it because there are game mechaincs that allow them to do it at little risk to themselves and big risk to the other person...or they just use their pocket book to hit your pocketbook and because theres is bigger they win. I believe an adequate term for such a person would be "punk" "bish" or "sissy" or any combination of the three.
Its too bad too because I love the sound of having that freedom....but seems like its freedom that is at the mercy of 30 something year old virgins who have played the games for years. Yeah sounds like a lot of fun.
A good read
Saibot. nice try.
while you do make it seem as though you are trying to be unbiased at first your post completely negates that. You Quite obviously already know what you think even though you say you have never tried eve. You formed your opinion entirely based on what others have said... In other words you let someone else tell you how to believe...
though if I had to guess I'de say your a flamebait alt.
This is nothing.
Want to see whine, go to the EVE-O forums.
Carebears whining
Cryrats whining
Griefers whining
Campers whining
Corps whining
Lots of posts whining about whiners
Everyone wants the game mechanics nerfed in their favor
Not even a bit of useful info anywhere at anytime there. Except for an aformation that the annonimity of the internet brings out the worst in people.
That said, I love the game enough to have three accounts.
A miner with a PVP Hulk. (surprise loser)
A complex runner with a PVP fitting. (time to die, gank boy)
And a low sec delivery boy for hire running a cloaked nano ship. ( Hi campers, going to jump now. Buh bye)
EVE rewards those who think outside the box. So as you can imagine, not many players are rewarded. For some reason the 'entitled generation' seem to think that instead of adapting to the game, the game should adapt to them.
Thus I LOL at most of the posters in this thread. Whether Carebear or Ganker all are right in character. Sheep following sheep. No solutions offered. Only attacks and whines.
What a treasure is this internet thing
lol Your post makes no sense at all. Im trying to be unbiased, I already know what I think, but yet Im letting other people make up my mind? You're all over the place, whereas I was pretty straight to the point. I dont want to play the game because there is no legitimate chance to catch up with the greifers. Simple as that. Nobody that has posted on this subject that has played the game, would deny that is true. Of course Im going to believe it, I dont have to eat a shit sandwich to know that it tastes like shit, Ill take your word on it.
People these days are just becoming less and less coherent and make less and less sense. You cant really address or approach refuting the point of the post, which is that the reason people are dicks is because they dont have anything to risk. Like I said if there was a legit chance they could get owned they would change their tune. Interacting in a mechanic that encourages that type of cowardice does not sound fun in the slightest, I dont have to play the game to know that because even the ones that do it would admit it.
Can I just say WTF? What does that have to do anything with other players? Had it been an NPC / computer on the other side the outcome wouldve been the same. You took all your stuff and got it destroyed, regardless of whether you self destructed, got shot by a computer character , npc, or player it's still your fault! Yes the game doesn't allow you to be stupid like other games where you can just "run back to your body".. ok so what . that doesn't mean its anyones fault. If i take all my stuff and put it in a ship and goto an asteroid belt and get shot up by the rats everyone would call me stupid, why then when you take all your stuff put it in a ship go get shot up by a player its suddenly the other players fault.
EvEs a great game, even for new players its easy to pick up, just follow the advice of others and ask other people when you need help. There are plenty of corps setup just to help new players. The games not for everyone, its not like many other games that offer instand gratification.
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You may feel that it contains far too much griefing but i want to know what you mean by griefing.
Being rude? Ignore them or report them if its very rude.
Shooting your ship in low sec space?- read the warning message before entering low or null sec.
can baiting? - your own fault for not using secure containers
Suicide ganking? -btw this does not affect newbs your not worth the hassle
Being honest all forms of greifing fit very well into the game and they all have counters.
The devs stated they wanted to create a cold and harsh universe and they really did well. Compared to AOC which also tried to create a cold harsh world but made it far too easy to be considered harsh.
People cying about getting attacked in a PVP game that's amazing. And calling people names for it that's just sad. So when you play multiplayer shooter games and people shoot you do you insult them with rapist and sadist? Holy shit people get a grip.
This thread makes me laugh and cry at the same time. Its hillarious in all its stupidity!
1. EVE is sandbox
EVE is a sandbox. That means you are free to do whatever your heart contends within certain limits. Comparing games and RL is usually not a good thing but i will do it this time:
"High sec" or High security ares. These areas are from 0.5 up to 1.0. They are labelled yellow and green. Here you are relatively safe. Pay attention to the word RELATIVELY! You can still be killed! In real life you can be killed straight outside the police station too if the situation should come to it! So it is in EVE. In fact in EVE you cant get away from Police retailliation since that would be classified as cheating. That would earn you a ban! So yes, your killer will be shot down too. So if you get attacked in High sec space its because th opportunity where simply too great to pass on! 1. you flew a very valuable ship ppl wanted to see dead! 2.) you flew a ship with a very valuable shipment of goods! So they decided to suicide your ship. That only happends if your cargo is more valuable then their gathered losses. 3.) you get wardecced.
Sum: In empire space you are safe if you PAY ATTENTION and USES YOUR HEAD! Dont stuff all your values in one ship and flying through sites like Jita! Then you are BEGGING to be killed! Seriously!
"Low Sec" space or Low Security space is where you find the bad guys! Low sec is as Deep space marked red! As said, here it is where you find the pirates! This is what you can call shadow world or the borderland on of EVE. This is Harlem by night. Or something like that. Here you wont find the police. Ever! So how do you fly here? Well.. Carefully! First you check the map system provided by EVE to see if there ahve been recent poddings there. If you see a huge red glowing blo in that system with 400 kills in the last hour, I think its better to avoid it, right???? Ofcource that alone wont help, but by damn! its a start and I know it will help in a lot of the cases! 2. Bring friends! 3.) Use fast ships! 4.) If you are in a corporation (NO ITS NOT CALLED GUILDS!!!!!!!) you can ask them if they ahve heard about any pirate activty in these areas. 5.) Cloaking 6.) knowing the systems.
There are more too!
Conclusion: Yes, low sec is hard. Harder then deep space and way harder then the relatively safe high sec. But honestly, EVE is a galaxy in turmoil and war! What do you expect? A nanny to hold your hand?? Get a grip! Fly a cheap fast ship, be prepared to get killed often, but always always LEARN! This is a game, but its not a game of mindless wanderings! Here the intelligent will prevail! Those who use their head and keep calm!!
Deep space or nullsec. This is the player kingdoms. The realm of the players and where you really find the sandbox! Have you ever dreamed about creating your own world?? A spcestation deep in space?? or your own world?? Well this is where you do it!! Here you can controll it all!!! And I mean all!! You build the space stations, you organize your inhabitatnts and together you are creating a living and breathing world! You police your borders and ensure its safty for your citizens! It comes to a cost ofcource! And money is the least part of it! Sweath and months an years of work! It can fall ofcource, but while it lives and breathes you are creating history in EVE!
EVE is strategic. EVE requires dedication. EVE requires at least some brain. With that i mean its not for the FPS generation who wants to run in and shoot everything they see. It will tire them rather quicly. So EVE is not for all! But if you are ready to fight adn build something larger then yourself, EVE is the right game! That is why EVE is growing if slowly for 5 years now! In that time other games have launched, had its time of glory and shine, and is now dwlingling.
EVE. EVe is still a star flickering on the sky, forever glowing.
Well that's enough reading for me. I'm going to loadup the client and go blow some shit up!
This isn't really the case.
Unlike other MMOs with the levelling mechanic, this is something that Eve doesn't suffer from.
There is a finite limit to how good you can be with a specific ship, as the skills affecting that ship are limited and have a maximum level attainable.
It is entirely possible for a 6 month-old player to wipe the floor with a 3 year old player depending on where their SP are, what ships they are flying and how they are fitted.
Not only is it possible, it happens on a regular basis. I myself have witnessed a 4 month old player taking on 2 2-year+ vets and only narrowly missed waxing both of them.
The difference is, those guys are better at a wider range of ships and equipment.
I can understand the thinking that EVE is a bitter and twisted game, but that is because at it's core is the simple fact that you are never 100% safe.
Paranoia will aid your survival no end, but this slowly filters out into the wider aspects of the game, hence the 'bitter and twisted'.
Even amongst those who strive to be 'good guys', like my corp.
I love the game to bits, but agree that there are any number of eejits out there who enjoy making life difficult for others.
But that to me is the fun. Without real risk, there's no real success. If the mechanics protect you - i.e. PvE servers, etc. - then you can't really take any satisfaction from your achievements, can you?
I like how some people complaining in this thread say that EVE griefers are social misfits.
The important point being missed is I reckon most people realise it is a game, don't mind going out and risking their assets (digital, not real and will be deleted when the servers go down) because they recognise this important fact.
We then have people like many in this thread who don't seem to comprehend the line between computer game and real life, and feel that they can draw up a character analysis based on someone blowing up an internet spaceship.
I even saw one particularly deluded nerd earlier in the thread voicing genuine concern that....EVE may be linked to murders and assaults IRL. I would suggest going down to a prison and conducting a survey asking how many inmates played internet spaceships.
Seriously, the level of stupidity and amount of nerds whining in the thread is amazing. I find it hard to imagine that some might be adults.
I grief once in a while just for laughs and giggles. But I do consider myself a social butterfly. Ahh its good to be home in Eve.
the OP says it all the main reason for me quitting a decent game because it became retarted in the end. Sad sad it had so much potentional but constant interferance by GM's who favour "their" friends and CCP fail to even make some secure space for new players... people do griefing in even higher than 0.5 my friend got wacked by a guy in 0.9 system and was quite upset that he had spent lots of time to mine to get a nice ship and then loose his ship. These things are not isolated happenings as some try to claim... lots of people are actually speaking about it in EVE forum and most people that post their stories get bashed by the very same people that is doing this shit.
EVE used to be a good game back in the beginning now it's just filled with shitheads who kills just about anyone for no reason at all. They don' care if they loose their ship in their "fun" since most of them got tons of cash anyway so their losses doesn't compare to the noob starting up in high sec.
Maybe they should just make all of EVE space 0.0 and have people go wacko on each other without concorde helping new people..
I am going to weigh in on this topic probably a day late and a buck short.
I too have been playing eve-online for a number of years. Two years, in fact, this month.
As the time has passed the game has grown larger. And with that has come people like a lot of you here, complaining about the unrestricted nature of pvp in eve.
The thing is, that for the last two years, the game mechanics haven't changed much. The game has always been about pvp. It has always been possible to suicide gank people in hi-sec, piracy has always thrived in low-sec, 0.0 has always been full of the lawless and alliances, and player corps have always been war-decable.
Clearly, un-restricted pvp is hard written into the game design of eve-online. I am not sure why some of you think this should be changed? If you don't like this aspect of the game, there are any number of [i]good[/i] pvp optional or pve only MMOs out there. Why would you come to eve, then demand it be changed? Furthermore, if some of you are "older" players, I really fail to see how you can chastize CCP for not having PVP optional.
Indeed, some of you are acting like un-restricted pvp hurts CCPs bottom line, or in other words, people quit over it. This might be true of isolated players. However, I'd like to not that you "4 year" players haven't quit. In fact, the population of EVE has skyrocketed in the last two years. Eve is now in the top 5 as far as total subscribers.
In other words, its really false to suggest that the nature of the MMO needs to change in order for eve to continue or grow.
Having said all that, its true that in some ways the game has gotten more nasty. I chalk this up to the booming population.
Lastly, I'd like to say that I have been many things in my two years of EVE. Mainly I've been a pirate and a pvper. To the guy who "quit" because of the privateers nerf, I only have a few words. Grow up.
CCP only prevented the ability of large alliances (like Privateers) to effectively have EVERY major alliance and corporation permanently war-deced and killable in hi-sec. As far as I'm concerned (and CCP apparently) using the war-dec system like that amounted to an exploit. You were never meant to be able to completely circumvent the limits placed on PVP by the security statuses of systems by using war decs. Plain and simple.
as the recon you are apart or supportf those who takes joy of ruining for new people Based on your statement.. yeah EVE is a pvp game but most new people tend to try to make some money 1st before doing pvp, your type of mentality is crappy.
EVE has had lots of people flocking to it the past few years due to good markeeting but claming it to be top 5 with subscribeers on what ranking I must ask?
link please..
I don't mind people being asses as many that find it amusing to kill off noobs. Just feel that somethings like bounty is just stupid since you can't hunt the guy in high sec areas since even with a bounty on his head is protected by the stupid concorde. If EVE would be a good pvp people with bounty on their head should be able to be hit anywhere no matter sec rating... kinda stupid that the players are immune in high sec from concorde with bounty on their head and the rats aren't.
But then again never understood CCP's logic.. if they actually changed this people with bounty on their head would be more careful but then again another exploit is that you can just have your friend pod you to remove the bounty an then you're back to square one so being an ass in EVE is a win win situation and unfortunatly EVE could have a even higher amount of players if it wasn't as it is.
So to play EVE you need to be very aware that you can get killed anywhere for no reason at all.
and you can't do much about it either,, no point putting bounties on peoples heads as the exploit would be used... and security rating is a joke... it's just too easy to rat yourself back up to a positive one... that is if you as most old players spend some time in 0.0 which is also a failure imo... I mean there is no law enforcement there why would rats there yield anything when none is controlling the area... the rats shouldn't imo have any bounty or give any sec adjustment in 0.0 or areas without empires control.
The game doesn't have to change for me I have been playing most aspects of it but still feel that new players are treated badly because they really don't know how things work and the fact that they actually are not secure unless they're docked in a station.
CCP would have more to gain to give people the option to have 1 or 2 months "protection vs pvp" so people could learn a little about the game before they get killed off by some funny guy.
And most importantly the tutorial should contain a warning that tells you the risk with pvp since most new people tend to get to impression that you're safe in high sec.
I was one of the lucky ones I guess who started up when the population was low on EVE so very few incidents like this ever occured but there was on occasion some people gathering a fleet and use an exploit to go tot high sec and kill tons of noobs and concorde couldn't do anything about these players.
It has been fixed now ofcourse but this is how it is people who is bored of 0.0 because most of the time nothing happens there either unless you're in a war with someone or some just go to empire space just to kill noobs for the fun of it.
EVE has lots of nice features and graphics but in the end if you try to put up a fight against shitheads you end up in endless wars... which is also silly that corps and alliances can wage war in empire space.. but then it always come back to logic which this game fails over and over again... I mean if I had an empire I would not allow people to war inside my territory which would cause instability and make people feel insecure and ruin my empire economy but then again if it wasn't possible then the dedicated pvp'ers would cry because they can't kill people wherever they like which they have been doing in CCP's forum for well since the game got launched actually.
And finally for Revthought's comment that people need to grow up? a person wiith this type of statement is usally an asshole and will always be it at least in games but I suspect that the personality is more or less the same in real life as well.
If a person feels unfairly treated and speaks up about it makes him more grown up than you wll ever be am I afraid.
So all in all EVE is a game that totally breeds tons of I'm tough at least behind my computer since I can wack you time after time and you can't do shit about it.
EVE is a game which has a big attitude problem especially with the dedicated pvp'ers.. I was a dedicated EVE fan for many years but I felt that the mistreating of new players was just too much and CCP have always supported this type of style to play to be bad ass..
So in the end since empire space just is static anyway CCP should make all 0.0 and pvp'ers could shoot at anyone everywhere without occasionally getting interrupted by concorde or a sentry.
me sry
I stoped posting while intoxicated cause of rants like this
Fummy,
The top 5 thing I recently read somewhere, I'll need to search for the link. I believe that I need to add a caveat here, and say that I think it has made the top 5 of the "pay-for-play" category. Meaning games like Guild Wars and Second Life aren't on that list. I know for a fact that CCPs key meterics for EVE have surpassed those of EQ2. This I am certain of.
As far as supporting the "ganking" of new players, I can only say a few things. First, eve-online offers an entirely free two week trial. You don't even need a credit card to set up a trial account.
This gives players two weeks to mess around and see if eve is the type of game they want to play. If they are killed in that two weeks and think it sucks, no harm. They paid nothing. At the end of that two weeks they should know that tacitly what eve is like.
In fact, I got my ship blown up and podded on day 3 of my trial account. What is more, eve offers a pretty in-depth tutorial that warns you about all the things that can happen to you. If you chose to ignore what it says, or simply close out the tutorial before you finish it, you shouldn't come complaining that you've been killed.
Lastly very very very little "griefing" of new players occurrs. In fact, can baiting a noob in a start system is a bannable offense. The incidents of "suicide ganking" talked about here require a pirate to be willing to eat 30 million isk or more.
They aren't doing this soley for fun. They are motivated by profit. Meaning that if they suicide your hauler/mining barge/mission ship this means you are carrying or have fitted something of significant value.
If this is the case, the victim isn't exactly "new" and has already made money. Enough to go flying about in something worth killing in a suicide gank.
Killing of new players does occur in low-sec. However, besides the tutorial you are warned with a pop-up screen the first time you try to jump into low-sec. This screen tells you how dangerous low-sec is and asks you if you want to jump anyway.
If you select yes, and then get blown up, it wasn't because some pirate wanted to "grief" you. Its because you PURPOSEFULLY entered an active "pvp zone."
For the pirates part they have no idea who is a "noob" and who isn't. People often use brand new alts to scout and move expensive items.
Usually, if a pirate finds out (especially in low-sec) that they've killed a true "noob" a convo from the pirate to that player will follow with the pirate offering a lot of advice and encouragement. Sometimes (I've been known to do this myself) the pirate will send isk to the person killed to replace the ship lost.
The problem with this thread are three-fold. One isolated incidents are being blown out of proportion and used to generalize the game. The game is not all about griefing.
Two people come from other games and don't take the time to figure out the game they're getting into. They play for a couple weeks, and aren't bothered by "unrestricted pvp" too much, until they get killed by it. Then they show up on the eve-o forums after losing that first Battleship they worked so hard for in a belt in low-sec.
As if they weren't warned 20 times before they got to low-sec what could happen. Again, there is a pop-up when you first try to ENTER low-sec where you are told the danger and have to click "jump anyway." Once on the forums they want a pvp optional setting.
Either that or they get pissed when they are scammed for the first time (something allowed in eve). To paraphrase an eve developer, when you log into their game you are logging into a dark distopia, you are not logging into happy fun time la-la land. If you want the later you need to pick another game.
The third and final issue is the name calling and assumptions bantered about that try to categorize and analyze a person's real life qualities based on the avatar and play style they chose in a game.
To those people, I say stfu. You don't know me, or anyone else who plays a "pirate" in eve. You have absolutely no facts in evidence about our lives.
The truth of it is often more mundane than you'd like to believe. You see some of us like pvp because its challenging. To find, hold, and kill a ship piloted by a player is 10x more difficult (no matter what the skill level of that player) than blowing up some mission rat.
And it is sometimes fun to play the bad guy. You know, this is probably why you played through KOTOR once darkside. Does this mean you are a rapist, murderer, or otherwise fucked up person? No. You are playing a role. In a game.
Yeah a game. That's what we're talking about here.
You are NEVER killed for no reason. Be it High/Low/0.0, there is always a set of reasons why someone would want to kill you, or why he would not.
There are no random griefers in Highsec, everyone does everything they do for profits. If they can make profit because you haul a 500m implant in a shuttle with autopilot, then they will suicide a few frigates to get it. That's how Eve is supposed to work.
People in Low and 0.0 have a different set of resons, mainly the protection of their own carebears and income.
Oh by the way, the lofty scam with warring gangs has been fixed.
You are NEVER killed for no reason. Be it High/Low/0.0, there is always a set of reasons why someone would want to kill you, or why he would not.
There are no random griefers in Highsec, everyone does everything they do for profits. If they can make profit because you haul a 500m implant in a shuttle with autopilot, then they will suicide a few frigates to get it. That's how Eve is supposed to work.
People in Low and 0.0 have a different set of resons, mainly the protection of their own carebears and income.
Oh by the way, the lofty scam with warring gangs has been fixed.
There is always a reason to be killed in EvE from someone wanting to test their new setup to someone who is looking to make some heavy isk fast,could be a personal grudge,someone might have paid him etc. list goes on,basicly the same reasons someone would kill you in RL.
perhaps my assumption taht you were trying to make the atmosphere of your post seem unbiased was incorrect.
Regardless let me break it down for you.
1. you have never played. (meaning your only knowledge comes from other people and no real working knowledge)
2. You have very strong opinions.
3. your post makes you seem very set in these opinions. (hence the "you already know what you think")
If i put those three together it screams "I know how this game is I've read this forum (a place people post their opinions) for a bit and now know about the game"
this is very much akin to the Christians vs D&D effect
1. My pasture (substitute with any other authority figure) told me this game is evil and satanic
2. Well my pasture can't be wrong about this he is very wise and holy man so I will take on his beliefs blindly
3. I will refuse to listen to any refuting things said about it and not see with my own eyes what it's like and then use my own mind to make up my opinion.
Same outcome. They are letting someone other than themselves decide how they think.
And you right and wrong at the same time. While yes you can't "catch up" in skill points. You can catch up in knowledge and isk (knowledge being 90% of power in the game). I've been playing for almost 3 years and I've got a 6 month old player in my corp who has made more in his 6 months than I have in my three years he has also downed several people who are alot older than him. Asfar as everyone being a griefer and ruining peoples fun just because? While there are a few griefers in the game (there are some in EVERY MMO) they are few and far between. pirates are not killing haulers because they think its funny and are trying to ruin your game they are doing it because you have stuff on your ship they can sell for isks. Also they DO risk loss they mabe sitting with 4 guys on a gate and say a single battleship comes through. Easy pickings. what they don't know is this guy is tanked to hell and has scrams on and buddies sitting 1-2 jumps out waiting on the signal to come in guess what if they get caught by the guy they are most likely screwed. Most of them know there are anti-pirates lurking out there hunting them and that this is a very possible outcome yet they still gatecamp It's not that they don't risk or lose anything it's that they accept this possiblity just like the people "breaking" the gatecamp accept that they might fail. Yes they run to dock if the see it comming most of the time because they are trying to profit from this and getting blown up is NOT profitable. and befor you point a finger I'm an anti-pirate I just happen to know the game i play and my role and opposed role very well.
Point by point
Ok so you think it has made up to top 5 and read it somewhere..
Whether or not EVE-online is in the top 5 for total pay-for-play subs isn't really material to what I am saying. The fact is that the eve-online player base continues to swell NOT get smaller. You cannot chalk all of this up to "marketing."
Eve online offers a lot to many different people who try eve and continue to play it. Any argument that EVE needs to change its fundamentals or it will:
1. fail
2. make everyone quit
3. force CCP out of busines
4. etc. etc. etc. etc
Fails. Nothing more needs to be said about arguments like this.
But then again not everyone experience this during these 14 days and even 14 days is a short period of time you might not get ganked at all durring this period not before you pay for the game.
If you make it out of the 14 day trial and aren't tacitly aware of what can happen to you while playing eve-online you've failed to do the tutorial or didn't talk to anyone during your trial.
And your right, you could go that entire trial without being ganked. I've got a hi-sec mission running alt that hasn't been ganked in the year and a half the character has existed.
Which just goes to show that isolated instances of suicide ganking in high-sec are not the rule..
As for the tutorial I took was not very in deepth it was very simple and brief.. then again I never did the tutorial more than once so if EVE has made it better now it's good. Many still chooses not to read long EULA's and tutorials so no KUDOS for CCP.. there should be a plain bug writing when game load in that you this is a game which most likely will get you killed at some point ofourse that won't sell anything giving people a warning before they actually start the game.
That's ridiculous. So the MMO you play now, you're avatar has never been killed? Listen, everyone who plays ANY MMO assumes that they will die at some point.
As far as CCPs tutorial, I'm doubting you've ever even tried the game. Eve has a 33 part tutorial that opens up automatically the first time you log into a newly created character.
Doing the entire tutorial took me almost 2 and half hours when I was a noob. Some of the things that are covered are:
Being Pod Killed
Insurance
Losing a Ship
Clones
And Venue (When and where fights happen)
Very little that you know of I would expect... but when there is many topics about people complaining about it I doubt it's so few as you will have it to be. As for baiting not all noobs even know they can ban people for it and it's easy just to create a new account anyway if you get banned. Ofcourse it's pity if it's a old toon you have banned but these guys are veterans and more careful of what they do and not stupid either. As for suicide ganking it really depends on the guys wallet and some believe it or not do it just for fun because they got too much resources and nothing better to do. This topic is still regarding ganking of new players so actually not valid point here.
First, when CCP bans you, they ban every character attached to your IP. So single bans hit all the offending persons accounts. There are many high profile examples of this.
Second, of course people complain about dieing. They do in every PVP MMO--plain and simple.
For the most part, however, I'll stick by my guns. People are killed during the course of regular game play--for a reason. Namely they are flying something that was a juicy target for someone else.
If the victim has made it far enough to fly a ship worth killing then they aren't a true "noob" and have had plenty of opportunity to witness what can happen to you in eve.
They just didn't care until THEY get killed.
Yes you get a warning when you jump into low sec.
And unless you disable the message, you get the warning every single time you jump into low-sec.
Not everyone who goes into low sec on purpose I didn't do it 1st time when I went there.. I put auto pilot on and had no idea it was going through low sec.
Well I guess you should have done the tutorial about navigation. :-P Seriously though, when you set a destination to autopilot too it tells you in bright red where you're projected path will take you through low-sec.
Its not the games fault you didn't pay attention. Just like its not EQ2s fault if I wander on "accident" into a level 60 area and get killed when I was a noob in EQ2.
This is true most people have to do this because it's no point risk a good character for something simple as this since you can have alts CCP gives people this opperunity to "scout" or use less valuable toons for risky stuff. however this only applies to people that knows EVE not noobs as this topic is about.
It has nothing to do with the "value" of the character. Its not like there is much of a difference between a 50million sp character in a shuttle or a 800k skill point character in a shuttle. In both cases getting blown up costs you exactly the same thing... 9,000 isk.
They use noob alts because noob alts belong to NPC corps. Its not clear if the person is really a noob or an alt. If it is an alt whose scout is it? Are they hauling something worth my time trying to catch the guy? Etc.
Its about subterfuge and misdirection, not about using a "less valuable toon."
And, as a point of fact, noob alts are used to haul expensive items precisely because they are MUCH less likely to be targeted and killed by a pirate. Plain and simple.
There was not much encouraging there. One of my friends was actually tricked down to low sec again with the promise to get his stuff back since he was a noob. I told him not to go but he ignored me and got podded.. he was so furiious he uninstalled the game the very moment.
Pirates usually don't say anything to you other than "gf" (which sometimes isn't appropriate when you get ganked in a 5v1
) unless you smack talk them in local.
So if you were like "screw you guys? You suck, you're a bunch of griefers!" You're going to be treated in the way you described.
Though I wasn't there, so I'm not really sure the situation.
When I was first killed and podded (on day 3) I was convo'd by the guy who killed me. We chated, I asked questions, he offered advice and sent me enough isk to fit 3 combat frigates. Much later I actually merged my corp with his and we flew together for thebetter part of a year.
You would think so but a good portion of the old pplayers has done most and is truly bored and is doing griefing spree. I've been offered many times to join up on these parties when our corp was apart of an alliance but respectfully decline the offer because I didn't see any point on making the day bad for no good reason for a totally unknown player.
First, I have serious doubts that "old" players are what they say they are. If they were "old" players they'd remember the days of m0o (before my time even) when there were no limits on pvp at all. No concord to kill someone for shooting you in hi-sec, no gate guns, no faction police etc.
If the game has gotten a bit nastier I chalk that up to simple economics. There are now 40,000 logged onto the server at any given time (up from the 12,000 when I started playing). Given the same amount of finite game resources with nearly 4x the players, there is more fighting over them.
Then there is goonswarm. I won't even comment about these metagaming SA retards who've said repeatedly that they'd like to destroy eve and CCP.
No this is were you're a bit off they are actually bothered but they have no idea nor the experience as regarding all jamming and shit because well most people like to get into new and better stuff rather quickly and in EVE unfortunalty you die very quickly as well your hard earned BS is zero worth, but then again you need to know the game to know that. And most people starting out don't know that a tech 1 BS is bad and even worse if not tanked in some way. So no wonder they show up in forums complaining. You need to know about things which most fresh BS people have no clue about.
Well I guess that's part of the learning process. If they've never visited the forums, never talked to anyone in-game about what they should be flying and where, and they just assume "geepers I'm in a Battleship and I can take on those nasty player pirates if they attack me in low-sec" they aren't using their brains. And when they are killed, because they've jumped in an active pvp zone that they've been warned about before jumping into it, there is really no excuse.
If you are truly bothered by what happens when you do this, go play a different game. Again there are a number of good pvp optional or pve only games out there. You shouldn't be on the eve-o forums demanding that a niche pvp game be changed to your liking by removing the pvp.
Unless you like tormenting yourself you choose to make the msg not appear again so you won't get 20 warnings more like 3-4 before you choose to disable the msg.
Either way, you've been warned. If you've seen it 4 times then disabled it, I assume you know exactly what's possible when you're jumping into low-sec. If you ignore the warnings that's your fault not the games.
Scamming allowed in EVE? whaoo there was a huge issue about it in 05 and CCP clearly said that they don't support any type of scamming so scamming was NOT allowed in EVE at least when I played more than a year ago.
Scamming has always been allowed in eve given in-game mechanics. That is to say, if you can convince someone to give you money in-game either by chatting to them, or through the contract system, you can keep it.
Where scamming is NOT allowed is where real money is involved. So you will get banned for selling fake play-time cards for isk (CCP allows you to buy playtime cards from other players for isk) or character sale scams (you can sell characters for isk also).
Everyone should be aware of this given that some of the eve-online scams have been so huge that its made multiple industry publications.
For example: http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=47886
You try to appear as a person who is grown asking others who has a complaint to grow up and yet you're not a better person are you? People will always complain if treated unfair by others in game and when you tell a person to grow up and deal with it in short makes you a very nice person.
Not really.. you support shitheads and no offense yeah you end up as one as well. It's your own choice no one else than you choose to behave like you do.
So as for name calling was rightfully placed because you support scamming and your play style as dark as you like. It was really yourself that made a name for yourself no assumpotion needed here.
This doesn't even deserve a response. But I will. So I am a bad person because I treat people "unfairly" and support a pvp MMO?
That's fine I suppose, but everyone who plays the terrorists in counter strike better also be bad people, and when they snipe a first time CS player, they're unfairly treating that first time player, which I guess makes the "shitheads."
And by the way, the only person I ever told to grow up was the guy who was complaining that the Privateers nerf was unfairly LIMITING PVP. So I was defending your point of view to some extent. Its interesting that you'd critique me for it.
No I'm happy I don't know you and I would not ever want you as a real life friend with your mentality towards strangers well I need say no more. True I have no fats of your life except that you enjoy feeding on others misery which well you more or less have stated in your posting.
Again, the internet is no judge of character. You don't know me, and you don't know anything about me, other than I like eve-online and I can articulate a defense of the design of the game.
In a larger sense I fail to see why you've characterize me as you have. I haven't called anyone names, I haven't been combative (except when telling people who know nothing about me to stop calling me a rapist). I've even told you that I provide every "true noob" I kill with the isk to replace their stuff and advice, yet you are still seeing me as a "bad" person.
My guess this has more to do with boosting your own ego by othering a playstyle you don't understand and essentiallizing it. If this is the case than this entire post is a waste of my breath, because you'll never even TRY to get it. Your own identity relies on me being what you've essentialized me as.
Also, for those who are paying attention, pirates mostly fight other pirates these days. That's what they're doing 90% of the time.
And anti-pirates blob more than pirates. But the fact is, everyone blobs. It happens.
I've been playing quite a good bunch of evil characters or roles in a game. However this is within a set of rules which involves only a few players rpg and single player games which require you to play evil.
Treating unknown people badly and scamming them makes you a imo very lousy person. I never implied that a person like yourself is a rapist or murderer but your values towards others is using your own words fucked up.
First I never suggested that it was you who implied those things. That was meant as a critique of this thread generally. Second, again I am not calling anyone names here. I'm not the one who is saying "geese you're a shithead" or "you are a fucked up person." In my opinion that sort of behavior on your part reflects more on you than it does me.
However, I understand that this is the interweb. Things are not always as they appear. In the final analysis it doesn't really matter what you think or say. My game--eve--isn't going to change. You can sit on your throne and castigate me for participating in an openly un-restricted pvp MMO all you want.
I will steadfastly deny that eve is all about griefing. Most people who play understand, shit happens. Pirates (like myself) sometimes get ganked and blobbed by other pirates and anti-pirates. Sometimes my hauler alt gets suicided.
We don't get too worked up about it though. Its the nature of the game we play--like the phrase "its part of the game."
The real problem is total lack of understanding in regards to what eve is, and what eve is trying to be. If you would have an open mind while you approached the topic you'd note... its just a game, a game that's focus is pvp.
Like many other games such as Call of Duty or Halo. The difference is there is a real penalty for dieing. Some people take that penalty too personally. Especially those who expect eve to conform to other MMOs.
For the vast majority of us who play eve though its this penalty that MAKEs the game what it is. I still, after two years, get a rush of adrenaline in every fight I get in. Doesn't matter with whom, or where... because I realize I've got a lot riding on the fight. Even if it looks like this is a sure win for me, I wonder "are his friends going to jump through that gate?" And if I lose, my nice fancy pvp ship goes poof. All gone.
Yeah fortunatly for you this is a game and very fortunatly for your kind you're safe behind your screen. At least until you anger the wrong person who actually tracks you and comes for you. this has happened before altough in Asia but still possible. The guy asked for it and misbehaving even if it's a game it is still bad. Lots of people spend hours and hours in game play and there is nothing worse than to have people ruin the game or scam you because you showed good faith.
Unfortunatly a lot of people get exploited, scammed and tricked on the net even I have been scammed several times in EVE didn't make me feel oh it's just a game no biggie.. since this is a subscription game you actually pay for it and when someone scams you in EVE it's the same as they steal your real money.
This does not only apply to EVE but most of the internet is high risk to end up with people who is likely to steal your money.
So let me get this right then, you are saying that people who play pirates in eve deserve to be hunted down in real life? And you are lecturing me about the type of person I am? I think you just made my argument for me with this one.
And you're right, it is a subscription game. A game that, if you play eve, you know the rules too. Its also a game whose subscription you can cancel at any time. Its not as if eve is the only MMO in existence. AGAIN, to paraphrase an EVE developer, if you want to pay-to-play a game where you log into happen fun time la-la land then don't play eve. The developer in question directs people who do want to play happy fun time la-la land to hello kitty online. I wouldn't go that far, having worked in the video game industry for awhile there are a LOT of great pve and pvp optional games out there already besides hello kitty. My guess is you're playing one now.