i simply can not stand that people have to lie. people who lie can never be trusted. never be a good friend, a trustwhorty companion or someone u can relie upon - EVER. A lier will always lie, sometime under impresson of speaking truth, but u can never trust a lier. i had many bad episode with liers and one thing i learnt is that you will never hear any sort of truth form them. sad but true, liers lie
Recently been dumped by your girlfriend or something? lol Don't worry as you get older you'll get used to liars, the world is full of them, if you don't accept it now you'll live in misery. That's life.
i simply can not stand that people have to lie. people who lie can never be trusted. never be a good friend, a trustwhorty companion or someone u can relie upon - EVER. A lier will always lie, sometime under impresson of speaking truth, but u can never trust a lier. i had many bad episode with liers and one thing i learnt is that you will never hear any sort of truth form them. sad but true, liers lie
LOL, you must be young. I've been around the block, and trust me, everyone lies at some time in their lives, just a matter of the circumstances, to whom, and the consequences of the lie that determine its impact.
Most AOC haters dont really lie, they just post their perception or spin about the game, much as the fanbois and dev's do.
One thing's for sure , he has not been married yet.
"Do I look good in this ? "
"How's dinner? "
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
i simply can not stand that people have to lie. people who lie can never be trusted. never be a good friend, a trustwhorty companion or someone u can relie upon - EVER. A lier will always lie, sometime under impresson of speaking truth, but u can never trust a lier. i had many bad episode with liers and one thing i learnt is that you will never hear any sort of truth form them. sad but true, liers lie
LOL, you must be young. I've been around the block, and trust me, everyone lies at some time in their lives, just a matter of the circumstances, to whom, and the consequences of the lie that determine its impact.
Most AOC haters dont really lie, they just post their perception or spin about the game, much as the fanbois and dev's do.
One thing's for sure , he has not been married yet.
"Do I look good in this ? "
"How's dinner? "
Its funny cause its true
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
EQ2's release was horrible. As for WoW, when it launched, Mauradon wasn't even in yet, neither was Dire Maul. So yes, it was lacking content too. Hero classes are still missing. BGs weren't put in until a year or two later. Were any of these promised? I don't know, and don't really care to research it. I'm not a WoW hater or fanboy, i think it's a great game, but to suggest that it had a flawless launch is being blind.
Does flawless or none flawless WOW launch make AOC launch any less or more flawless?
Would we be talking about WOW if AOC had majority of the buyers happy with the game ?
More and more are finding out about the disaster that lurkes underneath the PR of Tortage. None of the basic mecanics of AOC are working at this point. None. WOW launched open beta to fix majority of the class balance and basic system balance so it could maintain longterm gamebalance. That was a great move since ppl really dont mind seeing their beta characters and system changes during beta. But they do when they start to pay for things. And they have every right to.
Funny seeing people comparing WoW's release to EQ2/AOC release. Been playing since the release, started with EQ2 then went straight to WoW when it came out, so did the rest of my guild. The difference was as clear as night and day. Yes WoW had some server problems, but the game itself was more polished 6 months prior to release on it beta than EQ2/AOC were at release.
All the talk was how EQ2 was going to do so well since it had the EQ fanbase to back it. Didn't quite turn out that way...
I agree that EQ2 had the fanbase to pull from but o well
as to bugs, yes the majority of WOW bugs were network
but in EQ2 at launch
- game client never crashed me
- never died to a game bug
in WoW at launch (on Whisperwind)
- game client crashed on me several times (not common - but not rare either)
- died several times to the Wetlands boat dropping all of its passengers into deep sea
(death by fatigue), a problem that existed for several months
Most of WoW's error's were server lag issues. WoW had no idea it was going to be so popular. After all the top rated MMORPG at the time had maybe 250K subscriptions. WoW sold that many copies the first day.
Battlegrounds were a late introduction. They were to stop people from doing the TM/SS PVP runs because it was causing massive interference on the servers.
Originally posted by Ghist Battlegrounds were a late introduction. They were to stop people from doing the TM/SS PVP runs because it was causing massive interference on the servers.
Battlegrounds were not a late introduction
the WOW Collector's edition manual (from release), which I own
discusses basic features of BGs and the PVP Honor system
Most of WoW's error's were server lag issues. WoW had no idea it was going to be so popular. After all the top rated MMORPG at the time had maybe 250K subscriptions. WoW sold that many copies the first day.
Battlegrounds were a late introduction. They were to stop people from doing the TM/SS PVP runs because it was causing massive interference on the servers.
AoC will be a fine game in six months.
It very well might become a decent game in 6 months time. We are already closing in on the 2 month anniversary of it's release and things, so far, haven't improved a heck of a lot. Numerous nerfs, the vast majority of which are not mentioned in the patch notes. Broken and missing quest lines, severe lack of content, and a good number of launch features still not implemented.
During beta it was one thing but after release it is quite different. Within the next few months there will be a number of other mmos launched and AOC, I suspect, will be merging some servers within the year. This is if funcom stays on it's current course.
EQ2's release was horrible. As for WoW, when it launched, Mauradon wasn't even in yet, neither was Dire Maul. So yes, it was lacking content too. Hero classes are still missing. BGs weren't put in until a year or two later. Were any of these promised? I don't know, and don't really care to research it. I'm not a WoW hater or fanboy, i think it's a great game, but to suggest that it had a flawless launch is being blind.
Neither Mauradon or Diremaul were promised at released, in fact, neither were heard of until they were implemented for free. The only things that they said they would like to add later on were hero classes and siege weapons, but these weren't promised for release (which isn't an excuse for taking 4 bloody years to implement it, but that's Blizzard I guess).
With PvP they always stated that they would like to introduce a system to make it more meaningfull, I can't recall exactly what they said about it, but again I don't remember it being promised as a feature for release.
It didn't have a flawless release, servers were down constantly for the first 2 weeks with lots of lag due to the huge amount of people on, they even turned new registration of new accounts off until they got more servers. But again, these were network problems.
I agree that EQ2 had the fanbase to pull from but o well
as to bugs, yes the majority of WOW bugs were network
but in EQ2 at launch
- game client never crashed me
- never died to a game bug
in WoW at launch (on Whisperwind)
- game client crashed on me several times (not common - but not rare either)
- died several times to the Wetlands boat dropping all of its passengers into deep sea
(death by fatigue), a problem that existed for several months
The main problem as far as I can remember was people not being able to run the game properly. SOE anticipated hardware to have evolved faster than it did, so they had a very resource angry client which didn't work properly for a lot of people. Yes some people ran the game OK, but most had problems. Even now, some people struggle to run the game with full settings with shadows enabled. Even people that had similarly specced computers had very different experiences.
The boat deaths weren't at release. If remember right, we were having this problem after one of the patches and it took them about one week to fix it.
Oh I never had that at release on Draenor. I do remember about 2 years ago after a patch taking the boat and when it zoned I ended up high above the arathi highlands with the earth approaching at an alarming rate.
Originally posted by Yamoth Although I must concede that most company don't that the luxury of unlimited budget and time like blizzard do.Originally posted by silkworm
That is a true statement, but then again the companies themselves don't realize that and promise a boatload of stuff that either isn't there on release or is in a broken and buggy state.
i simply can not stand that people have to lie. people who lie can never be trusted. never be a good friend, a trustwhorty companion or someone u can relie upon - EVER. A lier will always lie, sometime under impresson of speaking truth, but u can never trust a lier. i had many bad episode with liers and one thing i learnt is that you will never hear any sort of truth form them. sad but true, liers lie
For your sake and the sake of your children, I hope with all my heart you don't actually expect the truth and nothing but the truth from ANYONE who posts on the Internet.
This isn' t even something you learn. It's something that should be obvious right off the bat.
Most of WoW's error's were server lag issues. WoW had no idea it was going to be so popular. After all the top rated MMORPG at the time had maybe 250K subscriptions. WoW sold that many copies the first day.
Battlegrounds were a late introduction. They were to stop people from doing the TM/SS PVP runs because it was causing massive interference on the servers.
AoC will be a fine game in six months.
I agree, AoC is a new baby and will take time to have everything older games have now. WoW was very small game when it was released but it has grown quite large now. I think there will be a market for both games, some people like that low fantasy lore with a lot of gore and nudity. Some people like high fantasy lore. Personally I'd like a combo inbetween, I like elves and all but I don't want to lose be able to behead someone.
i simply can not stand that people have to lie. people who lie can never be trusted. never be a good friend, a trustwhorty companion or someone u can relie upon - EVER. A lier will always lie, sometime under impresson of speaking truth, but u can never trust a lier. i had many bad episode with liers and one thing i learnt is that you will never hear any sort of truth form them. sad but true, liers lie
For your sake and the sake of your children, I hope with all my heart you don't actually expect the truth and nothing but the truth from ANYONE who posts on the Internet.
This isn' t even something you learn. It's something that should be obvious right off the bat.
Truth can sometimes be relative to the speaker of said truth. I like to think I tell the truth but I may have a view that could be seen as not true even though I might firmly believe it.
Case in point; WOW was not so hot on release and had tons of bugs and issues. Granted, a lot of it WAS a lag issue but does anyone recall how good PVP was at launch? Probably not, because it was virtually non-existant. I can't recall how long it was before RAIDs even made it into the game. If memory serves it was at least a year after release. They nerfed classes after release and had lots of other buggy issues with dungeons and balance, etc. YET, many, many refer to how smooth WOW was. It is not really a lie, just the shows how short our memories are.
Adding to that, people are comparing the AOC release to that of Vanguard. Truth is relative and memories short but I clearly recall that launch and the two are not really even comparable. AOC was INFINATELY smoother than VG at launch time. Could you imagine if VG had 500k plus players at launch out of the gate? Crash city baby. I like VG now so don't think me a hater. I just remember the reality of it.
The only launch in PTP MMOs that was actually, really smooth was LOTRO and it still had its share of Trolls, haters, and masses of the misinformed with their own versions of "truth".
We've all gotten used to the Blizzard patch situation by now. In World of Warcraft, we have months of buildup between patches as developers work on content that most of us never see, or balance changes and bugfixes that don't seem to impact anything for the better. Funcom's developers, on the other hand, seem very committed to addressing the needs of the playerbase as quickly as possible. We have seen several patches since launch, and continue to see multiple patches within the same week from Funcom; truly a breath of fresh air! Many have critcized Blizzard for milking their "cash cow" and ignoring customers -- it seems maybe a higher standard of service really is possible!
LOL
AoC customer service is pathetic.
All the "fixes" with patches are breaking far more then they fix.
Gold Spam is totally out of control and there isnt even free trials.
My main character which is a 2 handed Barbarian is pretty much useless being that my main stance is totally broken (Gives no health regen like it should).
MANY classes have multiple broken feats (Powers).
Many areas have big time proformance issues and invisable walls in pathways. Many glitches. I have many times fallen through the map into graphical voids. Sucks when your trying to climb a mountain only to fall through the ground to your death.
The game has potential but right now it is a bug filled mess. Funcom is really dropping the ball on this.
P.S. I am not a hater. I want to play the game. Combat is a blast (when it works). PVP servers are lots of fun (when you don't die from a glitch)
And before you say "well AC 2" Look at ac 2 this way, they had finished the xpac, and decided to go ahead and release to see if they could retain the numbers to support the game, they couldn't and they told you they where closing the game.... They did not lie, they just where relying on the xpac to much.
LotRO has enough players where they can produce xpacs up to 2014
lord of the rings has knights of darkness said turbine, but what happens? nothing! false promise and lie alltogether. if dev continue to lie, dev is a lier. lier will never tell the truth and must as so be considerd lier. fact is lier lie
Oh I never had that at release on Draenor. I do remember about 2 years ago after a patch taking the boat and when it zoned I ended up high above the arathi highlands with the earth approaching at an alarming rate.
Draenor did too have the boat problem, it might not have been constant, but i remember when my paladin was in his 40's going to meet a friend to quest in feralas and getting dropped in ocean 3-4 times before giving up and getting a mage to port me. my friend was a druid so he didn't have to deal with that problem. and for my paladin being mid 40's probably would've put it around June/July '05 since i started playing May/June '05.
and people often forget that wow still has problems to this day, just a few months ago i went down the the undercity elevator and fell through the world and ended up in stonetalon mountains lake unable to hearth because i was still "falling". or another time a little while ago i got feared in a WSG and ended up falling through the world--problems that have been in game since before i started playing and have never been completely fixed. loot lag, falling through the world, boats dropping people in the water--oh a new one i found just the other day, flying along on my mount at the ceiling of the world and get kicked off my mount--luckily i'm an engineer and had my parachute cloak equipped.
Comments
Recently been dumped by your girlfriend or something? lol Don't worry as you get older you'll get used to liars, the world is full of them, if you don't accept it now you'll live in misery. That's life.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
LOL, you must be young. I've been around the block, and trust me, everyone lies at some time in their lives, just a matter of the circumstances, to whom, and the consequences of the lie that determine its impact.
Most AOC haters dont really lie, they just post their perception or spin about the game, much as the fanbois and dev's do.
One thing's for sure , he has not been married yet.
"Do I look good in this ? "
"How's dinner? "
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
LOL, you must be young. I've been around the block, and trust me, everyone lies at some time in their lives, just a matter of the circumstances, to whom, and the consequences of the lie that determine its impact.
Most AOC haters dont really lie, they just post their perception or spin about the game, much as the fanbois and dev's do.
One thing's for sure , he has not been married yet.
"Do I look good in this ? "
"How's dinner? "
Its funny cause its true
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
BGs were put in 7 months after release
EQ2 fan sites
Does flawless or none flawless WOW launch make AOC launch any less or more flawless?
Would we be talking about WOW if AOC had majority of the buyers happy with the game ?
More and more are finding out about the disaster that lurkes underneath the PR of Tortage. None of the basic mecanics of AOC are working at this point. None. WOW launched open beta to fix majority of the class balance and basic system balance so it could maintain longterm gamebalance. That was a great move since ppl really dont mind seeing their beta characters and system changes during beta. But they do when they start to pay for things. And they have every right to.
I agree that EQ2 had the fanbase to pull from but o well
as to bugs, yes the majority of WOW bugs were network
but in EQ2 at launch
- game client never crashed me
- never died to a game bug
in WoW at launch (on Whisperwind)
- game client crashed on me several times (not common - but not rare either)
- died several times to the Wetlands boat dropping all of its passengers into deep sea
(death by fatigue), a problem that existed for several months
www.fragland.net/news/Blizzards-president-on-WoW-problems/9732/
EQ2 fan sites
Most of WoW's error's were server lag issues. WoW had no idea it was going to be so popular. After all the top rated MMORPG at the time had maybe 250K subscriptions. WoW sold that many copies the first day.
Battlegrounds were a late introduction. They were to stop people from doing the TM/SS PVP runs because it was causing massive interference on the servers.
AoC will be a fine game in six months.
Waiting for the next thing
Battlegrounds were not a late introduction
the WOW Collector's edition manual (from release), which I own
discusses basic features of BGs and the PVP Honor system
- they were missing features at launch
EQ2 fan sites
It very well might become a decent game in 6 months time. We are already closing in on the 2 month anniversary of it's release and things, so far, haven't improved a heck of a lot. Numerous nerfs, the vast majority of which are not mentioned in the patch notes. Broken and missing quest lines, severe lack of content, and a good number of launch features still not implemented.
During beta it was one thing but after release it is quite different. Within the next few months there will be a number of other mmos launched and AOC, I suspect, will be merging some servers within the year. This is if funcom stays on it's current course.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
Neither Mauradon or Diremaul were promised at released, in fact, neither were heard of until they were implemented for free. The only things that they said they would like to add later on were hero classes and siege weapons, but these weren't promised for release (which isn't an excuse for taking 4 bloody years to implement it, but that's Blizzard I guess).
With PvP they always stated that they would like to introduce a system to make it more meaningfull, I can't recall exactly what they said about it, but again I don't remember it being promised as a feature for release.
It didn't have a flawless release, servers were down constantly for the first 2 weeks with lots of lag due to the huge amount of people on, they even turned new registration of new accounts off until they got more servers. But again, these were network problems.
The main problem as far as I can remember was people not being able to run the game properly. SOE anticipated hardware to have evolved faster than it did, so they had a very resource angry client which didn't work properly for a lot of people. Yes some people ran the game OK, but most had problems. Even now, some people struggle to run the game with full settings with shadows enabled. Even people that had similarly specced computers had very different experiences.
The boat deaths weren't at release. If remember right, we were having this problem after one of the patches and it took them about one week to fix it.
the boat deaths were at release on the Whisperwind server, where I played
the server network was not crashing but the boat would drop people instead of zoning over
probably network related because my server had the boat problem for 4 months or more
- starting from day 1
I should add that my server was among the 1st batch of servers to be offered *free char transfers*
due to the overcrowding problem
EQ2 fan sites
Oh I never had that at release on Draenor. I do remember about 2 years ago after a patch taking the boat and when it zoned I ended up high above the arathi highlands with the earth approaching at an alarming rate.
That is a true statement, but then again the companies themselves don't realize that and promise a boatload of stuff that either isn't there on release or is in a broken and buggy state.
For your sake and the sake of your children, I hope with all my heart you don't actually expect the truth and nothing but the truth from ANYONE who posts on the Internet.
This isn' t even something you learn. It's something that should be obvious right off the bat.
I agree, AoC is a new baby and will take time to have everything older games have now. WoW was very small game when it was released but it has grown quite large now. I think there will be a market for both games, some people like that low fantasy lore with a lot of gore and nudity. Some people like high fantasy lore. Personally I'd like a combo inbetween, I like elves and all but I don't want to lose be able to behead someone.
For your sake and the sake of your children, I hope with all my heart you don't actually expect the truth and nothing but the truth from ANYONE who posts on the Internet.
This isn' t even something you learn. It's something that should be obvious right off the bat.
Truth can sometimes be relative to the speaker of said truth. I like to think I tell the truth but I may have a view that could be seen as not true even though I might firmly believe it.
Case in point; WOW was not so hot on release and had tons of bugs and issues. Granted, a lot of it WAS a lag issue but does anyone recall how good PVP was at launch? Probably not, because it was virtually non-existant. I can't recall how long it was before RAIDs even made it into the game. If memory serves it was at least a year after release. They nerfed classes after release and had lots of other buggy issues with dungeons and balance, etc. YET, many, many refer to how smooth WOW was. It is not really a lie, just the shows how short our memories are.
Adding to that, people are comparing the AOC release to that of Vanguard. Truth is relative and memories short but I clearly recall that launch and the two are not really even comparable. AOC was INFINATELY smoother than VG at launch time. Could you imagine if VG had 500k plus players at launch out of the gate? Crash city baby. I like VG now so don't think me a hater. I just remember the reality of it.
The only launch in PTP MMOs that was actually, really smooth was LOTRO and it still had its share of Trolls, haters, and masses of the misinformed with their own versions of "truth".
all devs lie.
its not just the haters. Its the fanbois too
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/188386
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
They lie to get attention. Nothing new.
AoC customer service is pathetic.
All the "fixes" with patches are breaking far more then they fix.
Gold Spam is totally out of control and there isnt even free trials.
My main character which is a 2 handed Barbarian is pretty much useless being that my main stance is totally broken (Gives no health regen like it should).
MANY classes have multiple broken feats (Powers).
Many areas have big time proformance issues and invisable walls in pathways. Many glitches. I have many times fallen through the map into graphical voids. Sucks when your trying to climb a mountain only to fall through the ground to your death.
The game has potential but right now it is a bug filled mess. Funcom is really dropping the ball on this.
P.S. I am not a hater. I want to play the game. Combat is a blast (when it works). PVP servers are lots of fun (when you don't die from a glitch)
SHOHADAKU
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
.jpg)
Goodluck AoC player, enjoy your game. I'll stick to WoW for now while its enjoyable.
__________________
Playing: EVE & Runescape @ work : P
THE ARTICLE WASN'T BIASED EITHER.......
either way, the game is still a borefest
all devs lie.
Turbine has not lied about LotrO ?
And before you say "well AC 2" Look at ac 2 this way, they had finished the xpac, and decided to go ahead and release to see if they could retain the numbers to support the game, they couldn't and they told you they where closing the game.... They did not lie, they just where relying on the xpac to much.
LotRO has enough players where they can produce xpacs up to 2014
lord of the rings has knights of darkness said turbine, but what happens? nothing! false promise and lie alltogether. if dev continue to lie, dev is a lier. lier will never tell the truth and must as so be considerd lier. fact is lier lie
Draenor did too have the boat problem, it might not have been constant, but i remember when my paladin was in his 40's going to meet a friend to quest in feralas and getting dropped in ocean 3-4 times before giving up and getting a mage to port me. my friend was a druid so he didn't have to deal with that problem. and for my paladin being mid 40's probably would've put it around June/July '05 since i started playing May/June '05.
and people often forget that wow still has problems to this day, just a few months ago i went down the the undercity elevator and fell through the world and ended up in stonetalon mountains lake unable to hearth because i was still "falling". or another time a little while ago i got feared in a WSG and ended up falling through the world--problems that have been in game since before i started playing and have never been completely fixed. loot lag, falling through the world, boats dropping people in the water--oh a new one i found just the other day, flying along on my mount at the ceiling of the world and get kicked off my mount--luckily i'm an engineer and had my parachute cloak equipped.