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1. we have won we are going to see the nge shutdown this year along with other bs games that rip gamers off like age of CONan and warhammer and stargate worlds as that will come out half done and uses a lame level system. next year we will start to see good games again
why are we going to see good games? thanks to $OE failing with the nge thanks to funCON failing with age of CONan and thanks to gamers like myself and players like wildcat84 and our good friend jestor who fight the good fight and work to see gaming become good again. and by the end of the year you will see our win nge will be shutdown or we will get our pre-cu swg back and $OE will pay for their crimes when the lawsuit gets going.
2. none of the changes are good. i could careless what my weapon looks like as long as i can win. that is why i stuck with my knuckler and later on my saber. boohoo some star wars fanboi wants to use a dl44 and win. if he really wants that he can go play jedi knight on godmode.
3.anyone who hates the nge and anyone who wishes for gaming to get back on track to what we all loved about gaming namely sandbox titles along with seeing others like micro$oft and nintendo fail is my friend. and mark my words when 250k come back to pre-cu swg then we will see who gets thanked.
4.have fun playing your broken buggy game if you even want to call it that as a game is fun and the nge isn't fun. and i had a world we enjoyed pre-cu swg and we will get it back. be it sony running it bioware running it or emu.
and oh bioware kotor online best be a pre-cu like game or well us vets will do what we are doing with kotor.
That kind of thinking shows you have no regard for Star Wars MMO.
How many other Vets here support this idiotic position? People who loved the game pre-cu loved it for the variety --- but hey you seem just to be pissed because you lost your alpha class.
As much as I will get flamed for it, that's why I really don't support many of the Vets in their little 'war' with SOE.
It's mostly thanks to my time on UO, the same things that many of the people here say about SWG did get said back when Trammel came into Ultima Online. Many of those people screaming about the changes in Ultima ended up being the Player Killers more known for being griefers and what not rather then the honorble Player Killers who didn't act like a god.
And before most of you telling "stfu! all of us loved the whole 32+ system and the combat!" I still remember most of the people screaming about the CU and NGE ended up being, many of the TKA Players. Almost all of the Jedi Players, along with a good deal of the Riflemen and a few Pre-CU Combat Medics screamed as well. Mostly due to the loss of Uber Mind DOT's.
I'm not saying it's all the people that post here, but I bet a good number of you are more upset that much like swgtester you don't have your uber classes.
And I feel you bring up a good point, I feel part of the fault with the game really has been it just hasn't had that "Star Wars" feel in it.
how dare both of you insult me
i am here helping get a game back that everyone wants back
i am here fighting a war to show people that all $OE has done is lie to our face and steal our game that we did pay for. what have the 2 of you done? it is thanks to people like the 2 of you that micro$oft is allowed to sell broken consoles it is thanks to people like you 2 that funCON is ripping people off with a game that is not done and needs to be shutdown and worked on for another year in order to give people what they want.
and you want to know something i didn't care that the game has star wars in the title what i did care about is the system of play and so do 250k of my friends. you know why CONan and other games are failing? no sandbox and no fun pvp. and yes i want my alpha jedi back as i did work for it and if i want to run around killing every noob who can't hang with me then it is my right.
i could careless about you moron star wars fanbois who whined about how jedi doesn't belong in the game or how you want to run around with a pistol and be uber. you want the truth? i hate star wars and i hate the fanbois who dress up in little outfits and think they are jedi even more. guess what swg pre-cu is 'our' game it is a game for hardcore players not for you nerds. swg was about pvp and it should be about pvp.
so yes i am upset that i had my alpha class taken away and i am even more upset that my game got taken away. so please go back up to the game play forums and wait for the nge to be shutdown so we can get a real pre-cu game in.
First off, are you Iwantmyswg?
Secondly, my comments might have come off overly harsh to you and I should have refrained from using words like idiotic... but here is the thing... you muddy the issues...
On the one hand you go on and on about sandbox. Well, in my mind, one of the great things about sandbox is the ability to NOT be uber. One of my characters was a weaponsmith who had some skill with a sword. I was by no definition any good with that toon in combat, but I LOVED it. Why? I could create my own content and DEVELOP my own character in the game. Your posts have always struck me as "WAHHHHH they took my jedi away" and I feel it is unfair that you muddle issues that lots of vets genuinely have.
Lots of vets have problems with the whole NGE fiasco. However, most of them actually develop well thought posts and criticisms.
Again, how many other vets support the opinions highlighted in red? These comments only hurt your credibility.
Jestor has lots of criticisms that I agree with, mainly because it is clear that he has put a lot of thought into it. I do not get the same impression from you.
I can guarantee you, most of those 250k you talk about do NOT hate Star Wars.
You might have a point if the guy your defending didn't respond with this :
SWGTESTER1 wrote-
i could careless about you moron star wars fanbois who whined about how jedi doesn't belong in the game or how you want to run around with a pistol and be uber. you want the truth? i hate star wars and i hate the fanbois who dress up in little outfits and think they are jedi even more. guess what swg pre-cu is 'our' game it is a game for hardcore players not for you nerds. swg was about pvp and it should be about pvp.
so yes i am upset that i had my alpha class taken away and i am even more upset that my game got taken away. so please go back up to the game play forums and wait for the nge to be shutdown so we can get a real pre-cu game in.
I was not referring to what ONE person said, I was referring to where he grossly generalized most people upset with the NGE as if all they cared about was being overpowered. Below is that quote.
"I still remember most of the people screaming about the CU and NGE ended up being, many of the TKA Players. Almost all of the Jedi Players, along with a good deal of the Riflemen and a few Pre-CU Combat Medics screamed as well. Mostly due to the loss of Uber Mind DOT's."
As if the NGE was doing all those people a favor they just didn't understand or something.
how dare both of you insult me
i am here helping get a game back that everyone wants back
i am here fighting a war to show people that all $OE has done is lie to our face and steal our game that we did pay for. what have the 2 of you done? it is thanks to people like the 2 of you that micro$oft is allowed to sell broken consoles it is thanks to people like you 2 that funCON is ripping people off with a game that is not done and needs to be shutdown and worked on for another year in order to give people what they want.
and you want to know something i didn't care that the game has star wars in the title what i did care about is the system of play and so do 250k of my friends. you know why CONan and other games are failing? no sandbox and no fun pvp. and yes i want my alpha jedi back as i did work for it and if i want to run around killing every noob who can't hang with me then it is my right.
i could careless about you moron star wars fanbois who whined about how jedi doesn't belong in the game or how you want to run around with a pistol and be uber. you want the truth? i hate star wars and i hate the fanbois who dress up in little outfits and think they are jedi even more. guess what swg pre-cu is 'our' game it is a game for hardcore players not for you nerds. swg was about pvp and it should be about pvp.
so yes i am upset that i had my alpha class taken away and i am even more upset that my game got taken away. so please go back up to the game play forums and wait for the nge to be shutdown so we can get a real pre-cu game in.
The war is long over. Its been a better part of 3 years.....if Pre NGE hasn't come back by now.....it never will. And even if it did...it is too long, too far. Most won't come back...so what you are fighting for, the community, is long gone.
And PS. Alpha classes cannot exist in mmos.....it just doesnt work....unless there is a huge death penalty...aka permadeath...which i know YOU and many like you, who want your Alpha class back, will never accept
SWG is a disgrace to online gaming. It is busted from the core of the game. The masses have spoken and they agree that it plainly just stinks.
I think it is very telling to everyone that SOE and LA put so little resource-wise into this game. The development team has to be the smallest and most untalented to ever run a major IP MMO.
Now why would this be? If SOE and LA aren't putting anything into SWG other than regular maintenance and slow chapters that add almost nothing to the game and fix almost nothing as well, what does that mean?
It means SWG is essentially dead. There is not going to be a magical chapter that is going to save it from the lingering death. It's dying and being replaced hopefully very soon by someone who has a clue what they are doing.
How STUPID was the decision not to offer both classic and NGE servers in November of 2005? How MORONIC was that decision? They could have taken 1/2 of the live servers and made them NGE, kept 1/2 classic and started the slate clean. Then the worst that could have happened is you lose SOME subscribers, and even then if they were upfront with us and gave us months warning in advance, that may not have happened...
Either way for SOE to screw up this badly just shows how STUPID the management of that company truly is.
All you fanbots like MikeMB, Gutboy, Obriak, and so many others who hang on to this game and defend it with your dying breaths are delusional if you think SWG has a future other than collections and cookie-cutter instances. We all believe Obraik is a paid viral marketer and probably works for SOE, but to the others there is little excuse. You slap MMO gamers in the face every time you rush to defend this heap of garbage and lie about populations and place blame on the Vets for their angst with SOE. If you enjoy the game, GREAT, go play it, but to come here and battle us in favor of an unethical entity like SOE is absolutely ridiculous. None of you can argue that the NGE is aweful, for every 1 good quality you name we can give you 10 that counter it and prove it to horrible.
Let the fanbots invade, it won't be too much longer until it's shut up time for them and we get an official announcement for what we know is coming and who is making it.
how dare both of you insult me
i am here helping get a game back that everyone wants back
i am here fighting a war to show people that all $OE has done is lie to our face and steal our game that we did pay for. what have the 2 of you done? it is thanks to people like the 2 of you that micro$oft is allowed to sell broken consoles it is thanks to people like you 2 that funCON is ripping people off with a game that is not done and needs to be shutdown and worked on for another year in order to give people what they want.
and you want to know something i didn't care that the game has star wars in the title what i did care about is the system of play and so do 250k of my friends. you know why CONan and other games are failing? no sandbox and no fun pvp. and yes i want my alpha jedi back as i did work for it and if i want to run around killing every noob who can't hang with me then it is my right.
i could careless about you moron star wars fanbois who whined about how jedi doesn't belong in the game or how you want to run around with a pistol and be uber. you want the truth? i hate star wars and i hate the fanbois who dress up in little outfits and think they are jedi even more. guess what swg pre-cu is 'our' game it is a game for hardcore players not for you nerds. swg was about pvp and it should be about pvp.
so yes i am upset that i had my alpha class taken away and i am even more upset that my game got taken away. so please go back up to the game play forums and wait for the nge to be shutdown so we can get a real pre-cu game in.
The war is long over. Its been a better part of 3 years.....if Pre NGE hasn't come back by now.....it never will. And even if it did...it is too long, too far. Most won't come back...so what you are fighting for, the community, is long gone.
And PS. Alpha classes cannot exist in mmos.....it just doesnt work....unless there is a huge death penalty...aka permadeath...which i know YOU and many like you, who want your Alpha class back, will never accept
I agree, the pre-nge version of the game isn't coming back anytime soon (and probably never from SOE).
Best bet would be for someone else to work out the kinks and try to launch their own version. I checked out just such a thing recently. Logged in at Anchorhead and all I saw was people running around yelling, "Duel meh noob!" Brought back some really bad memories of asshats in Mos Eisley and Theed.
Back on topic, it would be nice to see an update that actually helped out weaponsmiths finally. They got shafted for way too long with the implementation of a loot economy. I'm a bit skeptical about how realistic repeat business will be beyond the short term, though.
1. we have won we are going to see the nge shutdown this year along with other bs games that rip gamers off like age of CONan and warhammer and stargate worlds as that will come out half done and uses a lame level system. next year we will start to see good games again
why are we going to see good games? thanks to $OE failing with the nge thanks to funCON failing with age of CONan and thanks to gamers like myself and players like wildcat84 and our good friend jestor who fight the good fight and work to see gaming become good again. and by the end of the year you will see our win nge will be shutdown or we will get our pre-cu swg back and $OE will pay for their crimes when the lawsuit gets going.
2. none of the changes are good. i could careless what my weapon looks like as long as i can win. that is why i stuck with my knuckler and later on my saber. boohoo some star wars fanboi wants to use a dl44 and win. if he really wants that he can go play jedi knight on godmode.
3.anyone who hates the nge and anyone who wishes for gaming to get back on track to what we all loved about gaming namely sandbox titles along with seeing others like micro$oft and nintendo fail is my friend. and mark my words when 250k come back to pre-cu swg then we will see who gets thanked.
4.have fun playing your broken buggy game if you even want to call it that as a game is fun and the nge isn't fun. and i had a world we enjoyed pre-cu swg and we will get it back. be it sony running it bioware running it or emu.
and oh bioware kotor online best be a pre-cu like game or well us vets will do what we are doing with kotor.
The last line makes me laugh.
If you and your 250K friends haven't killed SWG yet, what the hell makes you think you can "kill" Bioware's game? They are under no obligation to give you pre-CU.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
The "fanbot" invasion might be better tied to the fact that AOC let thousands of people down . People are realizing SWG is the last of its kind , No game out there offers as much as the NGE, Even if you hate what SWG has become , There's no denying it . The closest in comparison to pre-cu would be EVE . However, Eve in comparison is still a one trick pony . Alot of people don't like the fact that EVE is entirely space based and has no ground game (Myself included).
So what do you suggest as an alternative ? Just keep one thing in mind ,It can't be WOW and it can't be COH/V I detest those too more than NGE . Also EQ2 and vangaurd I could never really stomach . What else is there ?
No, the current influx of shills is a coordinated effort by lonely players. Here's the thread that launched the latest one:
forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m
SWG offers nothing. The core game is not any fun. No matter how much stuff there is to do in the game, if the core game itself isn''t fun, those things won't be fun either. Honestly, at this point I don't give a shit either way about pre-CU. It was a hell of a lot better than the current version of SWG, but it had a ton of issues that the developers refused to address. If the ducks every get in a row, I will likely check things out, but I don't compare everything with pre-CU SWG.
SWG, in its current form, is the least fun MMO I've ever played. That includes several of those horrid Korean made grinding games. The current game offers little that cannot be found elsewhere. UO and Vanguard offer non-instanced housing. Entertainers are little more than buffbots in SWG nowadays, and you can socialize in every MMO if you choose to. SWG still has the edge on crafting, but it still doesn't make up for the fact that the rest of the game is awful.
Unless you're a Star Wars fan with no self control, or a sci-fi fan who just doesn't like eve and hates anything to do with fantasy (although SWG is more magic based than sci-fi considering pretty much all the loot drops have magic stat modifiers, which makes no sense in the Star Wars world), SWG offers nothing that is worth putting up with the current horrid core game. SWG is still the game that is nowhere near fun, as the Smed said two years ago. For sci-fi MMOs, you're pretty much screwed at the moment. SWG isn't really a sci-fi MMO at this point, hell, it's barely a Star Wars MMO. There are several sci-fi based MMOs in the works from several different developers. Hopefully one or two of them are at least decent.
Anyway, if I was pressed between playing SWG until something better comes along, or not playing any MMO until something better comes along, I'd have much more fun not playing an MMO until that something better came along. Luckily for me, I'm not stuck on either sci-fi (I enjoy fantasy games too) or pre-CU (although I would love to have a game that had a core that was based on the pre-CU design). As an alternative to SWG, I'd recommend playing single player games, or games with an online component to them. Hell, if you need an online Star Wars fix, play one of the Battlefront games, they're a lot more fun than SWG.
I love it when people think they can dictate what is "fun," as if they are the arbiter of "fun."
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Well, I'm really a forum lurker, don't post that much at all. But I have been with SWG since the beginning, up until the NGE. So I do believe I have some say in this discussion.
I would just like to mention that comments like these really irk me. I completely understand the whole "hating SOE" bit because of SWG. Believe me, I am one of them, albeit not as drastic. NGE just completely ruined the game for me, and my last experience with the free trial a few days ago has pretty much given me a lost hope for the game. I have absolutely lost respect for SOE after that incident that was the "NGE", and nothing has really changed since.
But hating on something that is completely out of SOE's hands? Granted, there are pretty valid indications that a Bioware MMO based on Star Wars is in the works...but there are also indications that it most likely will NOT be based on pre-CU. Tell me, why...based on this information, would you hate such a game?
Let me tell you why I honestly dislike SOE and SWG. It's the constant lack of testing that they implement with this game, which was highly apparent on release. It's why you see the same stinking bugs since release. It's the constant "quick buck" schemes they try to implement to get more users. It's the overall LACK of listening to the customer base, and forcing enormous game changes into the system (NGE/CU) without proper testing. It's practially STILL a beta, which in all honesty is highly ridiculous. It's the constant "WoW chasing" that SOE is so hell bent on following, that they have forgotten what a good game is.
It's things like these that I truely loath about SOE. Now...tell me, why would you do the same exact thing to Bioware? For all you know, it could actually be a great game...but because of an entirely different company, you are willing to attempt to bring it down to this level of SWG, imo a pitiful excuse for a game?
For all you know, it could BE a great thing. I have PLENTY of ideas that could easily put this into the "sandbox" customizability that people have loved so much, while still maintaining the same "Level based" gameplay that is rumored to be in this new MMO. Of course, it would be like the CU (if you remember that, it added levels to the profession system)...but an idealy more POLISHED system. To be honest, for content in games, a level system is the best way to go, and the CU probably actually could have done wonders in those regards if polished more upon release. Why is a level system better? It's far easier to balance world content, as well as pvp.
So I'm just a little upset that some of you would think that. Yeah, I'm really saddened at the state of this genre right now, but there is hope.
The "fanbot" invasion might be better tied to the fact that AOC let thousands of people down . People are realizing SWG is the last of its kind , No game out there offers as much as the NGE, Even if you hate what SWG has become , There's no denying it . The closest in comparison to pre-cu would be EVE . However, Eve in comparison is still a one trick pony . Alot of people don't like the fact that EVE is entirely space based and has no ground game (Myself included).
So what do you suggest as an alternative ? Just keep one thing in mind ,It can't be WOW and it can't be COH/V I detest those too more than NGE . Also EQ2 and vangaurd I could never really stomach . What else is there ?
No, the current influx of shills is a coordinated effort by lonely players. Here's the thread that launched the latest one:
forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m
SWG offers nothing. The core game is not any fun. No matter how much stuff there is to do in the game, if the core game itself isn''t fun, those things won't be fun either. Honestly, at this point I don't give a shit either way about pre-CU. It was a hell of a lot better than the current version of SWG, but it had a ton of issues that the developers refused to address. If the ducks every get in a row, I will likely check things out, but I don't compare everything with pre-CU SWG.
SWG, in its current form, is the least fun MMO I've ever played. That includes several of those horrid Korean made grinding games. The current game offers little that cannot be found elsewhere. UO and Vanguard offer non-instanced housing. Entertainers are little more than buffbots in SWG nowadays, and you can socialize in every MMO if you choose to. SWG still has the edge on crafting, but it still doesn't make up for the fact that the rest of the game is awful.
Unless you're a Star Wars fan with no self control, or a sci-fi fan who just doesn't like eve and hates anything to do with fantasy (although SWG is more magic based than sci-fi considering pretty much all the loot drops have magic stat modifiers, which makes no sense in the Star Wars world), SWG offers nothing that is worth putting up with the current horrid core game. SWG is still the game that is nowhere near fun, as the Smed said two years ago. For sci-fi MMOs, you're pretty much screwed at the moment. SWG isn't really a sci-fi MMO at this point, hell, it's barely a Star Wars MMO. There are several sci-fi based MMOs in the works from several different developers. Hopefully one or two of them are at least decent.
Anyway, if I was pressed between playing SWG until something better comes along, or not playing any MMO until something better comes along, I'd have much more fun not playing an MMO until that something better came along. Luckily for me, I'm not stuck on either sci-fi (I enjoy fantasy games too) or pre-CU (although I would love to have a game that had a core that was based on the pre-CU design). As an alternative to SWG, I'd recommend playing single player games, or games with an online component to them. Hell, if you need an online Star Wars fix, play one of the Battlefront games, they're a lot more fun than SWG.
I love it when people think they can dictate what is "fun," as if they are the arbiter of "fun."
obee is a good person who fights for what he knows is right. so is jestor and wildcat84 both of whom have done their part in the war with $OE.
and obee is right anything is more fun then the nge.
so what have you done? besides come here and insult us vets who had our game stolen?
No, the current influx of shills is a coordinated effort by lonely players. Here's the thread that launched the latest one:
forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m
SWG offers nothing. The core game is not any fun. No matter how much stuff there is to do in the game, if the core game itself isn''t fun, those things won't be fun either. Honestly, at this point I don't give a shit either way about pre-CU. It was a hell of a lot better than the current version of SWG, but it had a ton of issues that the developers refused to address. If the ducks every get in a row, I will likely check things out, but I don't compare everything with pre-CU SWG.
SWG, in its current form, is the least fun MMO I've ever played. That includes several of those horrid Korean made grinding games. The current game offers little that cannot be found elsewhere. UO and Vanguard offer non-instanced housing. Entertainers are little more than buffbots in SWG nowadays, and you can socialize in every MMO if you choose to. SWG still has the edge on crafting, but it still doesn't make up for the fact that the rest of the game is awful.
Unless you're a Star Wars fan with no self control, or a sci-fi fan who just doesn't like eve and hates anything to do with fantasy (although SWG is more magic based than sci-fi considering pretty much all the loot drops have magic stat modifiers, which makes no sense in the Star Wars world), SWG offers nothing that is worth putting up with the current horrid core game. SWG is still the game that is nowhere near fun, as the Smed said two years ago. For sci-fi MMOs, you're pretty much screwed at the moment. SWG isn't really a sci-fi MMO at this point, hell, it's barely a Star Wars MMO. There are several sci-fi based MMOs in the works from several different developers. Hopefully one or two of them are at least decent.
Anyway, if I was pressed between playing SWG until something better comes along, or not playing any MMO until something better comes along, I'd have much more fun not playing an MMO until that something better came along. Luckily for me, I'm not stuck on either sci-fi (I enjoy fantasy games too) or pre-CU (although I would love to have a game that had a core that was based on the pre-CU design). As an alternative to SWG, I'd recommend playing single player games, or games with an online component to them. Hell, if you need an online Star Wars fix, play one of the Battlefront games, they're a lot more fun than SWG.
I love it when people think they can dictate what is "fun," as if they are the arbiter of "fun."
Well to answer your own point, it is a forum and he did build a good argument and I agree with him. Whenever I get the need for Star Wars and that sad little itch comes back for SWG, I play Battefront 2. The game is fun for me and for him too it would appear. Have you ever tried it and if so what are your opinions?
Also to agree again, I used to play with RL m8's in SWG and we all don't play mmo's at all at the moment, we've tried but its not Star Wars and that was pretty much the only reason why we played. Other mmo's dont offer the open-endness of a sandbox environment that SWG provided and a level based game inheritantly tailors for an end game or new 'toons' to level. So, for now we don't play mmo's, the only one that I will try soon is WAR as it has a serious amount of written lore that works and hopefully they will not ruin any "timelines" with any content.
I don't want SWG back now and I don't think (to stress this is me thinking out loud) vets do either. The game has gone and is now the NGE and it's plainly sad to see the game, even in this form just fade away but... but I will never pay SOE money ever again...pretty much advise as many people as I can to not play any of there games either.. We were all loyal customers once.
I can just hear Mr Smedley now "infamy, infamy!! theve all got it infamy!!"
"Obi-Wan Kenobi: We were decieved by a lie; we all were. It appears that SOE is behind everything, including the NGE! After the death of CU, the NGE became their new apprentice."
gotta give a big ol' QFE to that eh...
This is the reason SWG lost most of its subscribers, and will never get them back
This is the reason SOE is probably the most hated & mistrusted company in the MMO industry
This is the reason there are still angry vets almost 3yrs later, who will bash SOE/SWG at the drop of a dime
This is the reason SWG will eventually be shutdown & replaced by a new, untainted SW MMO
"Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now.
We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?"
I like this new update, sorry all the hatters but I actually think its a good one.
From what I seen, jedi seem to have a problem with the update. Weaponsmiths will be able to add a socket to the "new" weapons that will get a 250 point stat increase, all except jedi sabers.
Typical Blixtev. "Who cares about balance?" This is just another set up for a nerf the patch after next. I wouldn't get to used to the 250 stat bonus if I still played.
This has been done again, and again, and again. LOL Blixtev doesn't even have a clue how an MMO should work and he's got full control now with a "noob" producer who has never even heard of, much less played the game before.
Good luck "fans" (or fanbois), your gonna need it.