i knew some thing big was coming today ... i in no way expected this !
anyway , for all that are upseyt about the citys , all i can say is that most beta testers agree with this move . the removal of classes ... a very big concern for many different reasons .
Why not just delay another few months? Maybe 1stQ of 2009? In this way not only they have time to polish up the rest of the cities, maybe intro another class, but also it wont crash with the release of Wotlk etc....
Really hate to see games being rush out just because some people want their money now!!!!
Do you really blame them though? Its VERY expensive to keep a game in its developmental stages beyond a certain point in time.
If someone didn't rush a game out the door how many Darkfalls would we have flying around?
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
Why not just delay another few months? Maybe 1stQ of 2009? In this way not only they have time to polish up the rest of the cities, maybe intro another class, but also it wont crash with the release of Wotlk etc....
Really hate to see games being rush out just because some people want their money now!!!!
Do you really blame them though? Its VERY expensive to keep a game in its developmental stages beyond a certain point in time.
If someone didn't rush a game out the door how many Darkfalls would we have flying around?
They should not have over hyped and over marketed the game before they knew if the features they were displaying could make it in game. They brought all of this backlash on themselves.
While i am disappointed at this news. My feelings.
1. I'd rather have 2 amazing cities, that are truely everything a capitol should be. Rather than 6 mediocre cities which are just shells of what is possible, and nobody would be happy with that either. But i do agree that it is sorta a drain on the other campaigns, why bother playing in them if all your gonna get is a blank ending?
2. The classes... Heres where I have the most mixed feelings. While i admit that I'd rather have a good set of classes(they might even change which class is going into those roles(hence the "iconic" statement in the post). then poor ones. The fact that 2 tanks are missing are gonna be a killing blow to those campaigns... A lot of PQ's and the like really need a tank to handle. I guess the MDPS are gonna be tanking, let's just hope theres enough healers to fill up instead of tanks.
3. Why not just delay. Because there is no gaurantee to the date of a delay.
a. How long will it take them to perfect the other 4 cities?
b. How long will it take to redesign the 4 classes, possibly even 4 new ones?
I don't really know. Neither do you. But i bet mythic does, and All games do have to release eventually. So i bet Mythic just looked at the situation and decided that they have to release because the time to finish the other stuff will take too long in a realistic scale.
^^^^^
to the poster above me. 20 classes, and still 18 zones and 2 main cities
That's a lot of content, methinks your just a bit too spoiled.
I couldnt believe they never think thru why they wana implement these class in the first place apart from other class. Now they just cut it because they don't have enough time? Hvn't they learn anything from mmo history and most recently AoC?
They hype this game so much, all the classes etc and now this?
sign...... Will still choose greenskin, but quite lost now....
While i am disappointed at this news. My feelings. 1. I'd rather have 2 amazing cities, that are truely everything a capitol should be. Rather than 6 mediocre cities which are just shells of what is possible, and nobody would be happy with that either. But i do agree that it is sorta a drain on the other campaigns, why bother playing in them if all your gonna get is a blank ending? 2. The classes... Heres where I have the most mixed feelings. While i admit that I'd rather have a good set of classes(they might even change which class is going into those roles(hence the "iconic" statement in the post). then poor ones. The fact that 2 tanks are missing are gonna be a killing blow to those campaigns... A lot of PQ's and the like really need a tank to handle. I guess the MDPS are gonna be tanking, let's just hope theres enough healers to fill up instead of tanks. 3. Why not just delay. Because there is no gaurantee to the date of a delay. a. How long will it take them to perfect the other 4 cities? b. How long will it take to redesign the 4 classes, possibly even 4 new ones? I don't really know. Neither do you. But i bet mythic does, and All games do have to release eventually. So i bet Mythic just looked at the situation and decided that they have to release because the time to finish the other stuff will take too long in a realistic scale.
Yes I agree but I just wanted to point out that Mythic had to choose between 6 capital cities with the original tier system or 2 with an alternate tier system. Since they chose the latter, the Orc/Dwarf and Elf campaigns won't be worthless. They will tie in to the control of Altdorf and I.C. somehow, because Mythic wouldn't leave it half-finished like that.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Why not just delay another few months? Maybe 1stQ of 2009? In this way not only they have time to polish up the rest of the cities, maybe intro another class, but also it wont crash with the release of Wotlk etc....
Really hate to see games being rush out just because some people want their money now!!!!
Do you really blame them though? Its VERY expensive to keep a game in its developmental stages beyond a certain point in time.
If someone didn't rush a game out the door how many Darkfalls would we have flying around?
They should not have over hyped and over marketed the game before they knew if the features they were displaying could make it in game. They brought all of this backlash on themselves.
OH so you would rather have a AOC, and not tell you and then buy it. They are being upfront about it and compensatiing as far as the cities are going to make then even better. So it comes down to now Would you like 6 small cities at launch or 2 HUGE CITIES at launch and more HUGE CITIES coming in .
It might work out in your benefit you may be OH MAN THIS 1 IS SO COOL , then you go im a bit tired of this one . then oh look 2 other HUGE CITIES IN A PATCH. and i know this is gonna happen i know im gonna hear the " MAN LOOK HOW MUCH THEY PUT IN A PATCH " which for some wont care that it was suppose to be in others will be omg it should of been in.
None the less it comes down to will you still play, im not a fan of this move yet it touched none of the classes i was gonna do. But atleast they where up front about it and didnt hide it,
What they pulled was a power move if you ask me. that not all are seeing. you can tell they took a good look at AOC and learned from it, its better to tell us now so we know what we are getting in to then waiting for us to pay and then we are shot down. What they did do well though and something that isnt gonna hit till a little bit but they are gaining trust. They are making sure that we as their customers know what we are getting and not hiding from it , which helps some of those burned from AOC.
Anyway im still getting the game none the less. They said it wont be in launch but they will be coming.
i knew some thing big was coming today ... i in no way expected this ! anyway , for all that are upseyt about the citys , all i can say is that most beta testers agree with this move . the removal of classes ... a very big concern for many different reasons .
Yeah, believe it or not, and I am a beta tester so I speak from experience, the removal of 4 of the capitols IS indeed a positive for release. I was very concerned that with all 6 capitols being in, people would be way too spread out and overwhelmed to mount a solid offensive or defensive to take the cities. But with there only being two in at launch, everyone will now have something to focus on and get a feel for everything, and as the other capitols open everyone will be ready for them.
The classes....well, that's another issue completely and I it's hard to find anything positive to say about it. But there IS a positive...the classes just weren't as fun, and powerful as the other classes that remain, and while people may have been looking forward to playing those classes, NO ONE wants to get into a character only to find out later that the class isn't what it should be. I have no doubt that those holes will eventually be filled with something worth-while.
Overall, the game will be better for these changes IMO. Yes, it certainly is disappointing, but the game will be better for it in the end.
1. I'd rather have 2 amazing cities, that are truely everything a capitol should be. Rather than 6 mediocre cities which are just shells of what is possible, and nobody would be happy with that either. But i do agree that it is sorta a drain on the other campaigns, why bother playing in them if all your gonna get is a blank ending?
Here's how James (on the VN board) explained how the dynamics of it will work now with just 2 cities:
"You're going to have to capture 2 full campaigns to assault the gates of a capital city
I will always vote for fewer things done well over more things done poorly. If you disagree, you should go back in time and play launch versions of Vanguard and Horizons.
I don't mind this at all. I would prefer 4 but 2 is fine. After all everyone will even when all 6 are in the game really only focus on 1 city for each side. Just like in DAOC people did some Albion and more so Midgard but they mainly stuck with Hibernia for regular RVR combat. That will happen here to. People will find an area they prefer fighting at and will mainly stick there will smaller groups or surprise raid attacks happening in the other areas. It is also helpful to try and keep the people together more so at the start so there is always a lot of action happening so people can learn the game and their classes all the while meeting people and making more contacts in the game for grouping and joiniing of guilds and the such.
I will always vote for fewer things done well over more things done poorly. If you disagree, you should go back in time and play launch versions of Vanguard and Horizons.
Sounds like AoC to me, incomplete......
If i remember AOC,
You wernt told what wont be in, infact you had to find out for yourself
And AOC has alot of things not finnish, very few done.
WAR is alot of this at a high lvls, but some big things wont make it at launch.
the difference in this one is that , WAR still has its endgame, you can still all that endgame wanted to be in these 2 cities, you just dont have the others. AOC you had the end game as a certain part stop.
What is missing is more variety, but the mechanics are in but only in 2 areas.
1. I'd rather have 2 amazing cities, that are truely everything a capitol should be. Rather than 6 mediocre cities which are just shells of what is possible, and nobody would be happy with that either. But i do agree that it is sorta a drain on the other campaigns, why bother playing in them if all your gonna get is a blank ending?
Here's how James (on the VN board) explained how the dynamics of it will work now with just 2 cities:
"You're going to have to capture 2 full campaigns to assault the gates of a capital city
It's going to result in some truly epic battles."
Ya i came across this after i made the post =/. *shrug* But hey Nobody's right all the time, I'm allowed to make a few mistakes too =D.
Also another mistake.
27 zones, 2 main cities, and 18 classes. =P If you guys think that's lackluster.... That's not even counting dungeons and scenarios =P
While this is disappointing it's far from a "lack of content at release"(ala aoc). The game will still be good.
I will always vote for fewer things done well over more things done poorly. If you disagree, you should go back in time and play launch versions of Vanguard and Horizons.
Sounds like AoC to me, incomplete......
If i remember AOC,
You wernt told what wont be in, infact you had to find out for yourself
And AOC has alot of things not finnish, very few done.
WAR is alot of this at a high lvls, but some big things wont make it at launch.
the difference in this one is that , WAR still has its endgame, you can still all that endgame wanted to be in these 2 cities, you just dont have the others. AOC you had the end game as a certain part stop.
What is missing is more variety, but the mechanics are in but only in 2 areas.
True, kudos to mythic in letting us know earlier rather than letting us find out after release that many of the promise mech is gone....
But somehow it still left quite a bad taste in my mouth, esp when it so near to launch....
i would just like to add, this is a discussion that needs revisting after the initial shock wears off.
But like i said before the mechanics are not gone, its not like AOC where its just not there.
Its in WAR, you just dont have the other 4 to have the mechanics spread.
Anyway their turthfullness allows to me to think that the ywill have these post launch , and its not to big of a deal, i suggest you all take a shower and come back and look at the info and read through it. They said they are amping up the current cities about double. Now if this is true with that logic that means when the new ones come in they will also be larger. AKA you win in the long run.
It's a crappy announcement, but better than leaving it till the 11th hour to let us know. Remember that NDA is still up so the classes that were cut may have either been really unpopular or the shammies or WAR. That being said I had planned on being a Hammerer... but I can like with being another class.
The capital thing is nice if you think about it. Since you'll be able to take over capitals in RvR (assuming I read correctly previously) this makes it much less likely that you're going to log in to have no capital to go to.
For Mythic they have it a little easy, since they will have an influx of AoC players that don't want to go back to WoW. Considering how badly the AoC launch has gone, the expectations have to be set a little lower for them. This is of course the glass half empty view, and may not be shared by everyone.
Either way, I have my collectors edition order in, and I've been waiting for this for a long time. (Yes I am a WAR fanboy)
I will always vote for fewer things done well over more things done poorly. If you disagree, you should go back in time and play launch versions of Vanguard and Horizons.
Sounds like AoC to me, incomplete......
I fail to see how so....AoC launched saying it had pvp....yea it did but its pvp system wasn't there..making pvp worthless. it said it had seiges..but yet It didn't you couldnt' build the necessary requirements to siege but no one knew that till long after launch. They also had lots of classes...most of which are broken or totally unbalanced still. Hell female avatars swing slower and hit less than men an accident they wont fix until aatleast August maybe later. They said there was tons of content yet people reached mid 40s adn found out out this was a lie..there was stuff to grind but no actual content. They said there'd be raids but the raids are mostly broken or buggy as hell.
WAR....
PvP & Ranking System - IN
Lots of Classes - Yep and they aren't buggy or broken either
Sieges - YES we still get to Siege
Keeps - YEP
King Encounters - Yep
Dungeons - YEP!
Content? - LOTS
I fail to see how this equals age of conan level issues. Everything thats hyped is still there. So we're couple of zones shorter and a few classes missing boo Hoo...The fact we still get to do the important stuff like siege, pvp, choose between lots of characters, own keeps, go to dungeons etc is still in the game I fail to see how this announcement equals incomplete. Its techincally Feature Complete its just missing a few zones that offer features that are still in the game.
While it sucks I won't be getting a Choppa there's still the Squig herder, the blackorc, the shaman, the maruader, the chosen, the zealot, the magus, the witch elf, the sorceress, and the Disciple of khaine to choose from.
The other announcement is that WAR is only going to start with 2 cities (empire and chaos) and the other 4 will be released post launch. This is actually good news.
The other announcement is that WAR is only going to start with 2 cities (empire and chaos) and the other 4 will be released post launch. This is actually good news.
As they say, love is blind.
And so is hate.
I can see and my eyes are wide open since, unlike you, I'm in Beta.
By the way, nice job editing out the rest of that post you responded to. Way to take it out of context. Bravo! You can be a great corrupt politician.
This games gonna be released as a buggy mess with no content and classes and cities missing. Why havn't developers learnt that releasing a half arse mmorpg is never good because you only get one chance to impress and if you release a game thats going up against WOW in the competition then they'll try it and see how bad it is and just go back to WOW for the new expansion.
It's like for 2008 we had the crap AOC and what I bet my life on the crap buggy WAR. For 2007 we had Vanguard and LOTR lol which are both complete crap aswel........
When will this genre evolve to putting out top quality titles like we see in single player games?
Frigging WAr as it is looks sooo bad and dated, just look at the horrible animations and textures in the videos.
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This games gonna be released as a buggy mess with no content and classes and cities missing. Why havn't developers learnt that releasing a half arse mmorpg is never good because you only get one chance to impress and if you release a game thats going up against WOW in the competition then they'll try it and see how bad it is and just go back to WOW for the new expansion. It's like for 2008 we had the crap AOC and what I bet my life on the crap buggy WAR. For 2007 we had Vanguard and LOTR lol which are both complete crap aswel........ When will this genre evolve to putting out top quality titles like we see in single player games? Frigging WAr as it is looks sooo bad and dated, just look at the horrible animations and textures in the videos.
Ahhh the King of Trolls I wondered when we'd see you...Lets just say I'm in beta and Your not...your statements are as of the last time I logged into beta...completely way way way way off base lol So how many mmos are you familiar with anyway? Have you ever designed and built your own game? Hmm I'm guessing NOT other wise you'd know these things are normal but whats far from normal is the Upfrontness and the ability to cut things out that are subpar...most companise would rather leave it in and piss everyone off in a worse way then take the lesser of two evils which is to cut out whats just not ready.
This games gonna be released as a buggy mess with no content and classes and cities missing. Why havn't developers learnt that releasing a half arse mmorpg is never good because you only get one chance to impress and if you release a game thats going up against WOW in the competition then they'll try it and see how bad it is and just go back to WOW for the new expansion. It's like for 2008 we had the crap AOC and what I bet my life on the crap buggy WAR. For 2007 we had Vanguard and LOTR lol which are both complete crap aswel........ When will this genre evolve to putting out top quality titles like we see in single player games? Frigging WAr as it is looks sooo bad and dated, just look at the horrible animations and textures in the videos.
Ahhh the King of Trolls I wondered when we'd see you...Lets just say I'm in beta and Your not...your statements are as of the last time I logged into beta...completely way way way way off base lol So how many mmos are you familiar with anyway? Have you ever designed and built your own game? Hmm I'm guessing NOT other wise you'd know these things are normal but whats far from normal is the Upfrontness and the ability to cut things out that are subpar...most companise would rather leave it in and piss everyone off in a worse way then take the lesser of two evils which is to cut out whats just not ready.
It's funny cause your not allowed to say anything bad about a game or suddenly your a troll.........
We'll just see shall we when this game gets launched and everyone finds out how shit it is then comes bitching on the forums about it. You can tell what mmorpgs it's going to happen to and WAR is one of them. I'm soooo sick of people telling me "it's in beta" or some bullshit when it's only got a few months to launch and they can't possibly fix all the problems in time as it has to ship soon.
I'm sick of all the shit we're getting in this genre and honestly there hasn't been a good mmorpg since 2003 and most of them are ruined now.
This is what happens with WAR launches...
"omg the graphics suck the videos is how it really looks"
"omg the animations are soooo bad"
" the combat is slow and boring and everyone uses autofacing"
"zomg the classes are sooo unbalanced"
"theres no content and the pve sucks"
"theres no risk/reward"
"its like DAOC 1.5"
"wheres the gore?"
etc etc.
---------------------------------------- Talking about SWG much?
It's funny cause your not allowed to say anything bad about a game or suddenly your a troll.........
We'll just see shall we when this game gets launched and everyone finds out how shit it is then comes bitching on the forums about it. You can tell what mmorpgs it's going to happen to and WAR is one of them. I'm soooo sick of people telling me "it's in beta" or some bullshit when it's only got a few months to launch and they can't possibly fix all the problems in time as it has to ship soon.
I'm sick of all the shit we're getting in this genre and honestly there hasn't been a good mmorpg since 2003 and most of them are ruined now.
This is what happens with WAR launches...
"omg the graphics suck the videos is how it really looks"
"omg the animations are soooo bad"
" the combat is slow and boring and everyone uses autofacing"
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i knew some thing big was coming today ... i in no way expected this !
anyway , for all that are upseyt about the citys , all i can say is that most beta testers agree with this move . the removal of classes ... a very big concern for many different reasons .
Do you really blame them though? Its VERY expensive to keep a game in its developmental stages beyond a certain point in time.
If someone didn't rush a game out the door how many Darkfalls would we have flying around?
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Do you really blame them though? Its VERY expensive to keep a game in its developmental stages beyond a certain point in time.
If someone didn't rush a game out the door how many Darkfalls would we have flying around?
They should not have over hyped and over marketed the game before they knew if the features they were displaying could make it in game. They brought all of this backlash on themselves.
While i am disappointed at this news. My feelings.
1. I'd rather have 2 amazing cities, that are truely everything a capitol should be. Rather than 6 mediocre cities which are just shells of what is possible, and nobody would be happy with that either. But i do agree that it is sorta a drain on the other campaigns, why bother playing in them if all your gonna get is a blank ending?
2. The classes... Heres where I have the most mixed feelings. While i admit that I'd rather have a good set of classes(they might even change which class is going into those roles(hence the "iconic" statement in the post). then poor ones. The fact that 2 tanks are missing are gonna be a killing blow to those campaigns... A lot of PQ's and the like really need a tank to handle. I guess the MDPS are gonna be tanking, let's just hope theres enough healers to fill up instead of tanks.
3. Why not just delay. Because there is no gaurantee to the date of a delay.
a. How long will it take them to perfect the other 4 cities?
b. How long will it take to redesign the 4 classes, possibly even 4 new ones?
I don't really know. Neither do you. But i bet mythic does, and All games do have to release eventually. So i bet Mythic just looked at the situation and decided that they have to release because the time to finish the other stuff will take too long in a realistic scale.
^^^^^
to the poster above me. 20 classes, and still 18 zones and 2 main cities
That's a lot of content, methinks your just a bit too spoiled.
I couldnt believe they never think thru why they wana implement these class in the first place apart from other class. Now they just cut it because they don't have enough time? Hvn't they learn anything from mmo history and most recently AoC?
They hype this game so much, all the classes etc and now this?
sign...... Will still choose greenskin, but quite lost now....
RIP Orc Choppa
I will always vote for fewer things done well over more things done poorly.
If you disagree, you should go back in time and play launch versions of Vanguard and Horizons.
Yes I agree but I just wanted to point out that Mythic had to choose between 6 capital cities with the original tier system or 2 with an alternate tier system. Since they chose the latter, the Orc/Dwarf and Elf campaigns won't be worthless. They will tie in to the control of Altdorf and I.C. somehow, because Mythic wouldn't leave it half-finished like that.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Do you really blame them though? Its VERY expensive to keep a game in its developmental stages beyond a certain point in time.
If someone didn't rush a game out the door how many Darkfalls would we have flying around?
They should not have over hyped and over marketed the game before they knew if the features they were displaying could make it in game. They brought all of this backlash on themselves.
OH so you would rather have a AOC, and not tell you and then buy it. They are being upfront about it and compensatiing as far as the cities are going to make then even better. So it comes down to now Would you like 6 small cities at launch or 2 HUGE CITIES at launch and more HUGE CITIES coming in .
It might work out in your benefit you may be OH MAN THIS 1 IS SO COOL , then you go im a bit tired of this one . then oh look 2 other HUGE CITIES IN A PATCH. and i know this is gonna happen i know im gonna hear the " MAN LOOK HOW MUCH THEY PUT IN A PATCH " which for some wont care that it was suppose to be in others will be omg it should of been in.
None the less it comes down to will you still play, im not a fan of this move yet it touched none of the classes i was gonna do. But atleast they where up front about it and didnt hide it,
What they pulled was a power move if you ask me. that not all are seeing. you can tell they took a good look at AOC and learned from it, its better to tell us now so we know what we are getting in to then waiting for us to pay and then we are shot down. What they did do well though and something that isnt gonna hit till a little bit but they are gaining trust. They are making sure that we as their customers know what we are getting and not hiding from it , which helps some of those burned from AOC.
Anyway im still getting the game none the less. They said it wont be in launch but they will be coming.
Yeah, believe it or not, and I am a beta tester so I speak from experience, the removal of 4 of the capitols IS indeed a positive for release. I was very concerned that with all 6 capitols being in, people would be way too spread out and overwhelmed to mount a solid offensive or defensive to take the cities. But with there only being two in at launch, everyone will now have something to focus on and get a feel for everything, and as the other capitols open everyone will be ready for them.
The classes....well, that's another issue completely and I it's hard to find anything positive to say about it. But there IS a positive...the classes just weren't as fun, and powerful as the other classes that remain, and while people may have been looking forward to playing those classes, NO ONE wants to get into a character only to find out later that the class isn't what it should be. I have no doubt that those holes will eventually be filled with something worth-while.
Overall, the game will be better for these changes IMO. Yes, it certainly is disappointing, but the game will be better for it in the end.
Here's how James (on the VN board) explained how the dynamics of it will work now with just 2 cities:
"You're going to have to capture 2 full campaigns to assault the gates of a capital city
It's going to result in some truly epic battles."
Sounds like AoC to me, incomplete......
RIP Orc Choppa
I don't mind this at all. I would prefer 4 but 2 is fine. After all everyone will even when all 6 are in the game really only focus on 1 city for each side. Just like in DAOC people did some Albion and more so Midgard but they mainly stuck with Hibernia for regular RVR combat. That will happen here to. People will find an area they prefer fighting at and will mainly stick there will smaller groups or surprise raid attacks happening in the other areas. It is also helpful to try and keep the people together more so at the start so there is always a lot of action happening so people can learn the game and their classes all the while meeting people and making more contacts in the game for grouping and joiniing of guilds and the such.
Sounds like AoC to me, incomplete......
If i remember AOC,
You wernt told what wont be in, infact you had to find out for yourself
And AOC has alot of things not finnish, very few done.
WAR is alot of this at a high lvls, but some big things wont make it at launch.
the difference in this one is that , WAR still has its endgame, you can still all that endgame wanted to be in these 2 cities, you just dont have the others. AOC you had the end game as a certain part stop.
What is missing is more variety, but the mechanics are in but only in 2 areas.
Here's how James (on the VN board) explained how the dynamics of it will work now with just 2 cities:
"You're going to have to capture 2 full campaigns to assault the gates of a capital city
It's going to result in some truly epic battles."
Ya i came across this after i made the post =/. *shrug* But hey Nobody's right all the time, I'm allowed to make a few mistakes too =D.
Also another mistake.
27 zones, 2 main cities, and 18 classes. =P If you guys think that's lackluster.... That's not even counting dungeons and scenarios =P
While this is disappointing it's far from a "lack of content at release"(ala aoc). The game will still be good.
Sounds like AoC to me, incomplete......
If i remember AOC,
You wernt told what wont be in, infact you had to find out for yourself
And AOC has alot of things not finnish, very few done.
WAR is alot of this at a high lvls, but some big things wont make it at launch.
the difference in this one is that , WAR still has its endgame, you can still all that endgame wanted to be in these 2 cities, you just dont have the others. AOC you had the end game as a certain part stop.
What is missing is more variety, but the mechanics are in but only in 2 areas.
True, kudos to mythic in letting us know earlier rather than letting us find out after release that many of the promise mech is gone....
But somehow it still left quite a bad taste in my mouth, esp when it so near to launch....
Just need time to get over it......
RIP Orc Choppa
i would just like to add, this is a discussion that needs revisting after the initial shock wears off.
But like i said before the mechanics are not gone, its not like AOC where its just not there.
Its in WAR, you just dont have the other 4 to have the mechanics spread.
Anyway their turthfullness allows to me to think that the ywill have these post launch , and its not to big of a deal, i suggest you all take a shower and come back and look at the info and read through it. They said they are amping up the current cities about double. Now if this is true with that logic that means when the new ones come in they will also be larger. AKA you win in the long run.
Agree... btw Bladin! welcome back
RIP Orc Choppa
It's a crappy announcement, but better than leaving it till the 11th hour to let us know. Remember that NDA is still up so the classes that were cut may have either been really unpopular or the shammies or WAR. That being said I had planned on being a Hammerer... but I can like with being another class.
The capital thing is nice if you think about it. Since you'll be able to take over capitals in RvR (assuming I read correctly previously) this makes it much less likely that you're going to log in to have no capital to go to.
For Mythic they have it a little easy, since they will have an influx of AoC players that don't want to go back to WoW. Considering how badly the AoC launch has gone, the expectations have to be set a little lower for them. This is of course the glass half empty view, and may not be shared by everyone.
Either way, I have my collectors edition order in, and I've been waiting for this for a long time. (Yes I am a WAR fanboy)
Sounds like AoC to me, incomplete......
I fail to see how so....AoC launched saying it had pvp....yea it did but its pvp system wasn't there..making pvp worthless. it said it had seiges..but yet It didn't you couldnt' build the necessary requirements to siege but no one knew that till long after launch. They also had lots of classes...most of which are broken or totally unbalanced still. Hell female avatars swing slower and hit less than men an accident they wont fix until aatleast August maybe later. They said there was tons of content yet people reached mid 40s adn found out out this was a lie..there was stuff to grind but no actual content. They said there'd be raids but the raids are mostly broken or buggy as hell.
WAR....
PvP & Ranking System - IN
Lots of Classes - Yep and they aren't buggy or broken either
Sieges - YES we still get to Siege
Keeps - YEP
King Encounters - Yep
Dungeons - YEP!
Content? - LOTS
I fail to see how this equals age of conan level issues. Everything thats hyped is still there. So we're couple of zones shorter and a few classes missing boo Hoo...The fact we still get to do the important stuff like siege, pvp, choose between lots of characters, own keeps, go to dungeons etc is still in the game I fail to see how this announcement equals incomplete. Its techincally Feature Complete its just missing a few zones that offer features that are still in the game.
While it sucks I won't be getting a Choppa there's still the Squig herder, the blackorc, the shaman, the maruader, the chosen, the zealot, the magus, the witch elf, the sorceress, and the Disciple of khaine to choose from.
As they say, love is blind.
As they say, love is blind.
And so is hate.
I can see and my eyes are wide open since, unlike you, I'm in Beta.
By the way, nice job editing out the rest of that post you responded to. Way to take it out of context. Bravo! You can be a great corrupt politician.
This games gonna be released as a buggy mess with no content and classes and cities missing. Why havn't developers learnt that releasing a half arse mmorpg is never good because you only get one chance to impress and if you release a game thats going up against WOW in the competition then they'll try it and see how bad it is and just go back to WOW for the new expansion.
It's like for 2008 we had the crap AOC and what I bet my life on the crap buggy WAR. For 2007 we had Vanguard and LOTR lol which are both complete crap aswel........
When will this genre evolve to putting out top quality titles like we see in single player games?
Frigging WAr as it is looks sooo bad and dated, just look at the horrible animations and textures in the videos.
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Talking about SWG much?
Ahhh the King of Trolls I wondered when we'd see you...Lets just say I'm in beta and Your not...your statements are as of the last time I logged into beta...completely way way way way off base lol So how many mmos are you familiar with anyway? Have you ever designed and built your own game? Hmm I'm guessing NOT other wise you'd know these things are normal but whats far from normal is the Upfrontness and the ability to cut things out that are subpar...most companise would rather leave it in and piss everyone off in a worse way then take the lesser of two evils which is to cut out whats just not ready.
Ahhh the King of Trolls I wondered when we'd see you...Lets just say I'm in beta and Your not...your statements are as of the last time I logged into beta...completely way way way way off base lol So how many mmos are you familiar with anyway? Have you ever designed and built your own game? Hmm I'm guessing NOT other wise you'd know these things are normal but whats far from normal is the Upfrontness and the ability to cut things out that are subpar...most companise would rather leave it in and piss everyone off in a worse way then take the lesser of two evils which is to cut out whats just not ready.
It's funny cause your not allowed to say anything bad about a game or suddenly your a troll.........
We'll just see shall we when this game gets launched and everyone finds out how shit it is then comes bitching on the forums about it. You can tell what mmorpgs it's going to happen to and WAR is one of them. I'm soooo sick of people telling me "it's in beta" or some bullshit when it's only got a few months to launch and they can't possibly fix all the problems in time as it has to ship soon.
I'm sick of all the shit we're getting in this genre and honestly there hasn't been a good mmorpg since 2003 and most of them are ruined now.
This is what happens with WAR launches...
"omg the graphics suck the videos is how it really looks"
"omg the animations are soooo bad"
" the combat is slow and boring and everyone uses autofacing"
"zomg the classes are sooo unbalanced"
"theres no content and the pve sucks"
"theres no risk/reward"
"its like DAOC 1.5"
"wheres the gore?"
etc etc.
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Talking about SWG much?
It's funny cause your not allowed to say anything bad about a game or suddenly your a troll.........
We'll just see shall we when this game gets launched and everyone finds out how shit it is then comes bitching on the forums about it. You can tell what mmorpgs it's going to happen to and WAR is one of them. I'm soooo sick of people telling me "it's in beta" or some bullshit when it's only got a few months to launch and they can't possibly fix all the problems in time as it has to ship soon.
I'm sick of all the shit we're getting in this genre and honestly there hasn't been a good mmorpg since 2003 and most of them are ruined now.
This is what happens with WAR launches...
"omg the graphics suck the videos is how it really looks"
"omg the animations are soooo bad"
" the combat is slow and boring and everyone uses autofacing"
"zomg the classes are sooo unbalanced"
"theres no content and the pve sucks"
"theres no risk/reward"
"its like DAOC 1.5"
"wheres the gore?"
etc etc.
This is my impression of you: www.youtube.com/watch