Soon LA and Bioware must go public and announce. There have been too many compass needles pointing in the direction of KOTORO for a long time now. But to keep it a secret for so long they must have had VERY good reasons. 1. The original game is still running, and LA wants it to run to the very last moment. 2. They dont want to make the same mistake as they did with SWG, they want it to be solid and as polished as possible before BETA. 3. Bioware has high standards when it comes to development, its their way or the highway this time. 4. LA feels Bioware is absoluty correct when it comes to no. 3 5. Its time to cash in on the KOTOR universe. 6. KOTOR era gives LA and Bioware much more freedom with the game than SWG and its timeline. 7. SHIT LAODS OF CASH IF THEY DO IT RIGTH.
ths will either be the biggest mmo ever or the worst fail ever. Im very excited to see hwo this plays out!!!
Soon LA and Bioware must go public and announce. There have been too many compass needles pointing in the direction of KOTORO for a long time now. But to keep it a secret for so long they must have had VERY good reasons. 1. The original game is still running, and LA wants it to run to the very last moment. 2. They dont want to make the same mistake as they did with SWG, they want it to be solid and as polished as possible before BETA. 3. Bioware has high standards when it comes to development, its their way or the highway this time. 4. LA feels Bioware is absoluty correct when it comes to no. 3 5. Its time to cash in on the KOTOR universe. 6. KOTOR era gives LA and Bioware much more freedom with the game than SWG and its timeline. 7. SHIT LAODS OF CASH IF THEY DO IT RIGTH.
ths will either be the biggest mmo ever or the worst fail ever. Im very excited to see hwo this plays out!!!
I dont think its gonna be the biggest MMO ever. WoW is pretty feggin huge. But Bioware has the financial backing and knowhow i think to make a extremly well built MMO and its gonna brake the 1 million mark im sure.
Thinking back when WoW launched and its success. Everyone and his brother jummped on the bandwagon to copy its success and take their customers. Bad move, WoW players enjoyed the game and saw no reason to switch to another game. Its been over four years since WoW launched, if KOTORO launches next year, lets say just before the hollydays. Then it has been almost six years and the timing for a new epiq MMO could just be perfect?
Either way its the most anticipated MMO out there today. And they dont even have a website or a forum for a community to form.
Hauken Stormchaser I want pre-CU back Station.com : We got your game Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
I dont think its gonna be the biggest MMO ever. WoW is pretty feggin huge. But Bioware has the financial backing and knowhow i think to make a extremly well built MMO and its gonna brake the 1 million mark im sure.
The problem with the fact that bioware has the financial backing to do such a mass-market mmo is that it will end up being your typical wowlike mass-market mmo and you'll end up with a watered down same-old same-old, instead of the king of all mmo's. (big investment in mmo dev = need for mass financial return = mass-market please-everone crappy typical mmo)
So I agree, it wont be the biggest mmo ever, it will be one of those things that after release everyone and their dog whines about on these forums (like post-nge swg, or aoc, or all your recent mmos)
Can we now say "BOOM! HEADSHOT!" to the NGE fanbois that didn't believe us vets? he he he!
I see it the other way around. This mmo will probably be what the NGE should have been if done right, rather than anything like preCU. It might be a good game never-the-less but I'm not expecting a sandbox or skill based profession system, or a rich crafting system supporting an extensive player driven economy. This will be an NGE'er wet dream. A single player star wars game in an mmo setting.
Yes I highly doubt this is going to be SWG. But any starwars game done well is better then what there is currently.
I agree with all 3 of you guys quoted!
- This won't be anything like a sandbox game, there won't be a good sandbox game out for another 10 years.
- This will definitely be better than the current SWG, and hopefully will be as immersive as the original SWG, but with less bugs. I'm sad to see a class-based, more linear game, but at least it will be a class-based linear game THAT ROCKS!
- To anyone that doubted a second SW-based MMO, you must have been in denial. It was inevitable.
I'd really like to see some innovative stuff in this but at this point I'd just be happy if it's not an RMT based game.
I'd be happy if this new mmo finally delivers the deathblow to swg and we won't have to hear about it again.
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I find it so odd that people always want a WOW killer. Along with this line people say things, like was mentioned in this post earlier, about making the best MMO out there but only expecting just another WOW clone and water downed game. Um hello people... WOW is the king of the MMO's atm not matter how you feel about it so those types of comments are just stupid to post. honestly I would prefer a solid MMO atm. So many of the games, most resently being AOC, have been lack luster overall.
We need a solid MMO to come out rather then MMO's with small populations. Hopefully WAR will be solid even if it it's smaller at the start then hoped for. Along with this title hopefully the new Star Wars MMO would be solid also. Any game has to start solid to become great. Bioware making a good MMO? Not sure about that myself yet, but Bioware knowing how to make an immersive world with some interesting content? Absolutely. I believe with Bioware and their distancing from SOE by LA all the while linking up with EA, like them or not, being a strong company that is pushing hard to get a strong footing in the online field is are bonuses for the game even before we get to the actual game itself. Things seem to be looking up for gamers.
It is all as I have foreseen. Its only a brief matter of time until SOE/LA announce its sunset date. Strong in the Force KOTORO will be but there maybe another (SW MMO , Could you all handle two especially if SOE has nothing to do with either of them?)
While I love most Bioware games ( although I appear to be the only one who thought Mass Effect was KotOR re-skinned and basically sucked ) they are not known for making big open world games.
Baldur's Gate was still a big open world game (especially part 1). But since then, their games have become more and more linear indeed.
It is all as I have foreseen. Its only a brief matter of time until SOE/LA announce its sunset date. Strong in the Force KOTORO will be but there maybe another (SW MMO , Could you all handle two especially if SOE has nothing to do with either of them?)
If this does turn out to be true, I guarantee you swg will finally shut down. Its barely teetering on the edge of survivability now. A new Star Wars mmo will effectively kick swg in its ass and over the edge. Since Bioware apparently has been working on this for 4 years already and it looks like they're shooting for a 2009 release, swg will end sometime in 2009. So fanbois, enjoy your beloved nge/swg, cause you have a year at most left.
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Originally posted by SavageLore I find it so odd that people always want a WOW killer. Along with this line people say things, like was mentioned in this post earlier, about making the best MMO out there but only expecting just another WOW clone and water downed game. Um hello people... WOW is the king of the MMO's atm not matter how you feel about it so those types of comments are just stupid to post. honestly I would prefer a solid MMO atm. So many of the games, most resently being AOC, have been lack luster overall. We need a solid MMO to come out rather then MMO's with small populations. Hopefully WAR will be solid even if it it's smaller at the start then hoped for. Along with this title hopefully the new Star Wars MMO would be solid also. Any game has to start solid to become great. Bioware making a good MMO? Not sure about that myself yet, but Bioware knowing how to make an immersive world with some interesting content? Absolutely. I believe with Bioware and their distancing from SOE by LA all the while linking up with EA, like them or not, being a strong company that is pushing hard to get a strong footing in the online field is are bonuses for the game even before we get to the actual game itself. Things seem to be looking up for gamers.
Myself, I don't want a WoW killer since I enjoy WoW a lot, but I would love to see an SWG:NGE killer and I think Bioware will do just that. Heck there's already a couple of people here saying the the moderators are going crazy in the official SWG forums ever since this came out.
As for the whole "everyone will want to be a Jedi because that's what KOTOR is centered on argument" I don't know, I myself would rather be a Teras Kasi master if allowed to, with a mastery of different combat weapons (meaning, non-guns) Kinda like, a Shaolin monk/Jackie Chan/Jet Li from space. I could also definetely see a lot of players forming Manadalorian guilds/armies to kill and hunt down the Jedi players as well.
If this does turn out to be true, I guarantee you swg will finally shut down. Its barely teetering on the edge of survivability now. A new Star Wars mmo will effectively kick swg in its ass and over the edge. Since Bioware apparently has been working on this for 4 years already and it looks like they're shooting for a 2009 release, swg will end sometime in 2009. So fanbois, enjoy your beloved nge/swg, cause you have a year at most left.
Not likely. $OE has a habit of keeping games on life support long after the plug should have been pulled.
I'm not a fan of them since the NGE by any means, but I don't see this happening. If anything, they'll try to push SWG as being the 'original' SW mmo, as well as push the point that their timeline is different.
If this does turn out to be true, I guarantee you swg will finally shut down. Its barely teetering on the edge of survivability now. A new Star Wars mmo will effectively kick swg in its ass and over the edge. Since Bioware apparently has been working on this for 4 years already and it looks like they're shooting for a 2009 release, swg will end sometime in 2009. So fanbois, enjoy your beloved nge/swg, cause you have a year at most left.
Not likely. $OE has a habit of keeping games on life support long after the plug should have been pulled.
I'm not a fan of them since the NGE by any means, but I don't see this happening. If anything, they'll try to push SWG as being the 'original' SW mmo, as well as push the point that their timeline is different.
Your forgetting that the IP belongs to LA. They may or may not want a competing mmo. Chances are, they will want as many people to try/play the new mmo as possible, which would mean shutting down swg. Then, everyone will have to pay $50 or whatever they charge for the game itself. 500,000 to 1 million box sales will dwarf anything swg brings in these days.
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Your forgetting that the IP belongs to LA. They may or may not want a competing mmo. Chances are, they will want as many people to try/play the new mmo as possible, which would mean shutting down swg. Then, everyone will have to pay $50 or whatever they charge for the game itself. 500,000 to 1 million box sales will dwarf anything swg brings in these days.
Yeah, you have a good point there....Maybe that's why SOE announced they wouldn't be releasing anymore boxed expansions for SWG.
Either way, the BioWare thing is good news. If they stick to what they are known for, great storytelling mixed in with choices that affect the character you play and the world around you, then it will all be great.
Hope EA doesn't muck it up, their track record with MMO's isn't very good.
Your forgetting that the IP belongs to LA. They may or may not want a competing mmo. Chances are, they will want as many people to try/play the new mmo as possible, which would mean shutting down swg. Then, everyone will have to pay $50 or whatever they charge for the game itself. 500,000 to 1 million box sales will dwarf anything swg brings in these days.
Yeah, you have a good point there....Maybe that's why SOE announced they wouldn't be releasing anymore boxed expansions for SWG.
Either way, the BioWare thing is good news. If they stick to what they are known for, great storytelling mixed in with choices that affect the character you play and the world around you, then it will all be great.
Hope EA doesn't muck it up, their track record with MMO's isn't very good.
well EA just made Mythic push out WARHAMMER too early ... they have enough dough for a delay... soo ....
Also I cant be so excited about Bioware and their "storytelling"... I dont want a hold in hand story... i want a sandbox... let me make MY STORY..
Your forgetting that the IP belongs to LA. They may or may not want a competing mmo. Chances are, they will want as many people to try/play the new mmo as possible, which would mean shutting down swg. Then, everyone will have to pay $50 or whatever they charge for the game itself. 500,000 to 1 million box sales will dwarf anything swg brings in these days.
Yeah, you have a good point there....Maybe that's why SOE announced they wouldn't be releasing anymore boxed expansions for SWG.
I suppose the main issue I have is nobody really knows much of anything... regarding SWG or this current game.
How much control LA had etc When SWG came out SOE had exclusive rights to ANY MMO based on Star Wars. Obviously if this is true.. they have retained a license for SWG (for now) but no longer have exclusive MMO rights. One would wonder how this came about... and why..
Most of SOE's MMO's have done well.. or well enough from a business perspective.. except for this one game. So in the end if the problem in the equation is LA... then a new Star Wars MMO is still gonna end up.. FU'd up.
Tossing EA into the picture doesn't exactly help things. Then I see someone saying EA can't dictate to BioWare what to do?? Um EA now fully owns BioWare so ya.. they can. I'm not seeing them having paid close to a BILLION dollars to have no control...
As other noted WAR is already being rushed to some undisclosed but set release date (hence content cuts). The fact that EA has been tossing around 100's of millions of $$'s like its candy.. certainly shows they had the funds to keep WAR in development until it was ready.
I also personally see the drop of EA from EAMythic (back to Mythic) being a sign of the pending future of Mythic..
So ya while any gamer wants a great game.. somehow I just don't see this as likely.. to many bad factors.
I'm just waiting to see if anything at all will be officially released by LA, Bioware, or SOE commenting on , confirming, denying or spinning this probably premature and unexpected release by EA. I would love to see the tap dancing.
Any current player out there that posts on the SWG Oforums, please go on there and ask what the future of SWG will be if the info is true. Someone here posted there already got banned. I bet SOE will continue that policy because they know they can't say the truth because they will lose current and any future subs. They can't lie because when the truth comes out it will harm their already damaged rep. It seems to me they are going to ignore and sweep it under the rug. And silence any customer that tries to bring it up.
You are paying for this product. They have made promises of where the game is going like Hoth and DE revamp. Now if they know they are going to shut down because LA doesn't want two SW MMO's, will these and other promises really be fulfilled. Even if they are how much time will you have left to play them.
These are certainly questions I would want answers to if I was subbed. And unless I had these confirmed answers by SOE, I will never resub. I was starting to think about it with the WS upgrade. But now, I honestly feel this game could be pulled at any moment. What would be the point.
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I'm just waiting to see if anything at all will be officially released by LA, Bioware, or SOE commenting on , confirming, denying or spinning this probably premature and unexpected release by EA. I would love to see the tap dancing. Any current player out there that posts on the SWG Oforums, please go on there and ask what the future of SWG will be if the info is true. Someone here posted there already got banned. I bet SOE will continue that policy because they know they can't say the truth because they will lose current and any future subs. They can't lie because when the truth comes out it will harm their already damaged rep. It seems to me they are going to ignore and sweep it under the rug. And silence any customer that tries to bring it up. You are paying for this product. They have made promises of where the game is going like Hoth and DE revamp. Now if they know they are going to shut down because LA doesn't want two SW MMO's, will these and other promises really be fulfilled. Even if they are how much time will you have left to play them. These are certainly questions I would want answers to if I was subbed. And unless I had these confirmed answers by SOE, I will never resub. I was starting to think about it with the WS upgrade. But now, I honestly feel this game could be pulled at any moment. What would be the point.
i give nge another 4 months before it shuts down.
i knew hoth wasn't going to go in the game and i bet they won't even put gu5 in now.
i just hope they shutdown the nge in the next few weeks i want to go to vegas and laugh at the fanbois and fanbots at fanfest. and now i can say to $OE "this wouldn't have happen if you didn't take pre-cu from us!"
I dont think its gonna be the biggest MMO ever. WoW is pretty feggin huge. But Bioware has the financial backing and knowhow i think to make a extremly well built MMO and its gonna brake the 1 million mark im sure.
The problem with the fact that bioware has the financial backing to do such a mass-market mmo is that it will end up being your typical wowlike mass-market mmo and you'll end up with a watered down same-old same-old, instead of the king of all mmo's. (big investment in mmo dev = need for mass financial return = mass-market please-everone crappy typical mmo)
So I agree, it wont be the biggest mmo ever, it will be one of those things that after release everyone and their dog whines about on these forums (like post-nge swg, or aoc, or all your recent mmos)
I couldn't disagree more. I'm sure that Bioware will have to make comprises along the way to appeal to the mass market, but they'd never completely sell out and release a watered-down 'run-of-the-mill' mmo, or WoW: Star Wars. The devs have said themselves they won't be doing the same old stuff that past MMOs have, ie typical 'vacuum-area' quests. Sure they've said they are fans of WoW and AoC and other MMOs, but that dosen't mean they're trying to emulate those games.
About it being the biggest MMO ever, I highly doubt anything with ever be able to reach 10 million subs again, at least for another long while. Even Warhammer will be lucky to get over a million subs. I predict that if this is indeed KotoR online, and it releases as a solid game, it'll definetly overtake games such as AoC and LotRO. I mean, that's really not hard to predict.. I haven't seen this much hype and speculation over an MMO in a long time. Almost every game forum I've been to has a huge "KOTOR 3 MMO" thread.
Waiting for Fallen Earth, World of Darkness, Old Republic, FFXIV
Well for one thing, about EA, pretty much without them during the dull years early on in gaming the landscape would look VERY different today, whether better or not that's up to someone else to decide. EA has published some stellar games and if we are going to be upset with them for churning out sequels, ummmm very few development houses do NOT churn out sequel after sequel. FFS Final Fantasy is on 13 with knock-offs galore. Hell Blizzard, in 15 years, has only made what 5 games? Lost Vikings, Diablo, Warcraft , Starcraft and WoW. What has BioWare done in that time? KotOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, MDK, NWN, and Shattered Steel. Not even talking about the 5 or 6 games still coming 2 of which will hit this year/early next year (Sonic Dark Chronicles and Dragon Age Origins).
EA has had some false starts as far as mmo's are concerned, will give them that. However, they are the first company to publish the first financially successful MMO. And for all the naysayers that are out there claiming EA is only in it for the money etc etc etc. They do give a rat's ass about the gamers. UO is a perfect example of this. When Trammel fugged up UO what did EA do? They opened pre-Trammel servers. When UO2 was almost done what did they do? Cancel it because they did not want to alienate their current subscriber base (which, btw for the SOE fanboys is still larger after 9 years than SWG today) in order to chase after that mythical number that may or may not have come into that game. As far as Warhammer is concerned, if you honestly think that EA is behind the recent cuts then you really have the attention span of a squirrel. Were it the big EVIL EA then don't you think they would pull the same bs that everyone else (blizzard, funcom, and soe) does? Mythic have already stated that if they need to they will delay Warhammer again and once the NDA is lifted you will all see why some people are quick to defend the game.
The crew that BioWare has working on this game are the *original* devs from SWG. Not the hacks behind the CU and the NGE, they are off working on some space shooter game, but the group that brought us the SWG that we all loved so much. That talent with a clear vision of where the game will go cannot be a bad thing. Will it be a game world or a game we don't know. We do know for a fact that BioWare have stated that this will be something new in the mmo space. It will be a story driven experience. Now, its been a few years since I played KotOR but I distinctly remember that being skill based moreso than mass effect. KotOR 2 wasn't BioWare.
I suspect that once Dragon Age is released there will be a flood of information coming out about the MMO. BioWare aren't ones to hype the next thing before the current thing is released. I am sure all will be made clear within the year.
I'm just waiting to see if anything at all will be officially released by LA, Bioware, or SOE commenting on , confirming, denying or spinning this probably premature and unexpected release by EA. I would love to see the tap dancing. Any current player out there that posts on the SWG Oforums, please go on there and ask what the future of SWG will be if the info is true. Someone here posted there already got banned. I bet SOE will continue that policy because they know they can't say the truth because they will lose current and any future subs. They can't lie because when the truth comes out it will harm their already damaged rep. It seems to me they are going to ignore and sweep it under the rug. And silence any customer that tries to bring it up. You are paying for this product. They have made promises of where the game is going like Hoth and DE revamp. Now if they know they are going to shut down because LA doesn't want two SW MMO's, will these and other promises really be fulfilled. Even if they are how much time will you have left to play them. These are certainly questions I would want answers to if I was subbed. And unless I had these confirmed answers by SOE, I will never resub. I was starting to think about it with the WS upgrade. But now, I honestly feel this game could be pulled at any moment. What would be the point.
i give nge another 4 months before it shuts down.
i knew hoth wasn't going to go in the game and i bet they won't even put gu5 in now.
i just hope they shutdown the nge in the next few weeks i want to go to vegas and laugh at the fanbois and fanbots at fanfest. and now i can say to $OE "this wouldn't have happen if you didn't take pre-cu from us!"
we won.
LOL
You've been saying that for three years, buckaroo.
That said, I'm really looking forward to seeing what Bioware is going to come up with to separate this game from the run-of-the-mill MMOs.
EDIT: It was the "fanbois and fanbots" that "took pre-CU away from you"? WOW. Talk about misplaced aggression.
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ths will either be the biggest mmo ever or the worst fail ever. Im very excited to see hwo this plays out!!!
ths will either be the biggest mmo ever or the worst fail ever. Im very excited to see hwo this plays out!!!
I dont think its gonna be the biggest MMO ever. WoW is pretty feggin huge. But Bioware has the financial backing and knowhow i think to make a extremly well built MMO and its gonna brake the 1 million mark im sure.
Thinking back when WoW launched and its success. Everyone and his brother jummped on the bandwagon to copy its success and take their customers. Bad move, WoW players enjoyed the game and saw no reason to switch to another game. Its been over four years since WoW launched, if KOTORO launches next year, lets say just before the hollydays. Then it has been almost six years and the timing for a new epiq MMO could just be perfect?
Either way its the most anticipated MMO out there today. And they dont even have a website or a forum for a community to form.
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I want pre-CU back
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Yeah?, Well i want it back!!!
as long as its not $OE i think id play it
The problem with the fact that bioware has the financial backing to do such a mass-market mmo is that it will end up being your typical wowlike mass-market mmo and you'll end up with a watered down same-old same-old, instead of the king of all mmo's. (big investment in mmo dev = need for mass financial return = mass-market please-everone crappy typical mmo)
So I agree, it wont be the biggest mmo ever, it will be one of those things that after release everyone and their dog whines about on these forums (like post-nge swg, or aoc, or all your recent mmos)
I see it the other way around. This mmo will probably be what the NGE should have been if done right, rather than anything like preCU. It might be a good game never-the-less but I'm not expecting a sandbox or skill based profession system, or a rich crafting system supporting an extensive player driven economy. This will be an NGE'er wet dream. A single player star wars game in an mmo setting.
Yes I highly doubt this is going to be SWG. But any starwars game done well is better then what there is currently.
I agree with all 3 of you guys quoted!
- This won't be anything like a sandbox game, there won't be a good sandbox game out for another 10 years.
- This will definitely be better than the current SWG, and hopefully will be as immersive as the original SWG, but with less bugs. I'm sad to see a class-based, more linear game, but at least it will be a class-based linear game THAT ROCKS!
- To anyone that doubted a second SW-based MMO, you must have been in denial. It was inevitable.
I'd really like to see some innovative stuff in this but at this point I'd just be happy if it's not an RMT based game.
I'd be happy if this new mmo finally delivers the deathblow to swg and we won't have to hear about it again.
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I find it so odd that people always want a WOW killer. Along with this line people say things, like was mentioned in this post earlier, about making the best MMO out there but only expecting just another WOW clone and water downed game. Um hello people... WOW is the king of the MMO's atm not matter how you feel about it so those types of comments are just stupid to post. honestly I would prefer a solid MMO atm. So many of the games, most resently being AOC, have been lack luster overall.
We need a solid MMO to come out rather then MMO's with small populations. Hopefully WAR will be solid even if it it's smaller at the start then hoped for. Along with this title hopefully the new Star Wars MMO would be solid also. Any game has to start solid to become great. Bioware making a good MMO? Not sure about that myself yet, but Bioware knowing how to make an immersive world with some interesting content? Absolutely. I believe with Bioware and their distancing from SOE by LA all the while linking up with EA, like them or not, being a strong company that is pushing hard to get a strong footing in the online field is are bonuses for the game even before we get to the actual game itself. Things seem to be looking up for gamers.
Baldur's Gate was still a big open world game (especially part 1). But since then, their games have become more and more linear indeed.
id play em both
If this does turn out to be true, I guarantee you swg will finally shut down. Its barely teetering on the edge of survivability now. A new Star Wars mmo will effectively kick swg in its ass and over the edge. Since Bioware apparently has been working on this for 4 years already and it looks like they're shooting for a 2009 release, swg will end sometime in 2009. So fanbois, enjoy your beloved nge/swg, cause you have a year at most left.
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Myself, I don't want a WoW killer since I enjoy WoW a lot, but I would love to see an SWG:NGE killer and I think Bioware will do just that. Heck there's already a couple of people here saying the the moderators are going crazy in the official SWG forums ever since this came out.
As for the whole "everyone will want to be a Jedi because that's what KOTOR is centered on argument" I don't know, I myself would rather be a Teras Kasi master if allowed to, with a mastery of different combat weapons (meaning, non-guns) Kinda like, a Shaolin monk/Jackie Chan/Jet Li from space. I could also definetely see a lot of players forming Manadalorian guilds/armies to kill and hunt down the Jedi players as well.
Not likely. $OE has a habit of keeping games on life support long after the plug should have been pulled.
I'm not a fan of them since the NGE by any means, but I don't see this happening. If anything, they'll try to push SWG as being the 'original' SW mmo, as well as push the point that their timeline is different.
"$OE - We Put The "FU" in Fun."
Not likely. $OE has a habit of keeping games on life support long after the plug should have been pulled.
I'm not a fan of them since the NGE by any means, but I don't see this happening. If anything, they'll try to push SWG as being the 'original' SW mmo, as well as push the point that their timeline is different.
Your forgetting that the IP belongs to LA. They may or may not want a competing mmo. Chances are, they will want as many people to try/play the new mmo as possible, which would mean shutting down swg. Then, everyone will have to pay $50 or whatever they charge for the game itself. 500,000 to 1 million box sales will dwarf anything swg brings in these days.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Your forgetting that the IP belongs to LA. They may or may not want a competing mmo. Chances are, they will want as many people to try/play the new mmo as possible, which would mean shutting down swg. Then, everyone will have to pay $50 or whatever they charge for the game itself. 500,000 to 1 million box sales will dwarf anything swg brings in these days.
Yeah, you have a good point there....Maybe that's why SOE announced they wouldn't be releasing anymore boxed expansions for SWG.
Either way, the BioWare thing is good news. If they stick to what they are known for, great storytelling mixed in with choices that affect the character you play and the world around you, then it will all be great.
Hope EA doesn't muck it up, their track record with MMO's isn't very good.
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Your forgetting that the IP belongs to LA. They may or may not want a competing mmo. Chances are, they will want as many people to try/play the new mmo as possible, which would mean shutting down swg. Then, everyone will have to pay $50 or whatever they charge for the game itself. 500,000 to 1 million box sales will dwarf anything swg brings in these days.
Yeah, you have a good point there....Maybe that's why SOE announced they wouldn't be releasing anymore boxed expansions for SWG.
Either way, the BioWare thing is good news. If they stick to what they are known for, great storytelling mixed in with choices that affect the character you play and the world around you, then it will all be great.
Hope EA doesn't muck it up, their track record with MMO's isn't very good.
well EA just made Mythic push out WARHAMMER too early ... they have enough dough for a delay... soo ....
Also I cant be so excited about Bioware and their "storytelling"... I dont want a hold in hand story... i want a sandbox... let me make MY STORY..
this is an mmo, not a linear single player game..
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Yeah, you have a good point there....Maybe that's why SOE announced they wouldn't be releasing anymore boxed expansions for SWG.
I suppose the main issue I have is nobody really knows much of anything... regarding SWG or this current game.
How much control LA had etc When SWG came out SOE had exclusive rights to ANY MMO based on Star Wars. Obviously if this is true.. they have retained a license for SWG (for now) but no longer have exclusive MMO rights. One would wonder how this came about... and why..
Most of SOE's MMO's have done well.. or well enough from a business perspective.. except for this one game. So in the end if the problem in the equation is LA... then a new Star Wars MMO is still gonna end up.. FU'd up.
Tossing EA into the picture doesn't exactly help things. Then I see someone saying EA can't dictate to BioWare what to do?? Um EA now fully owns BioWare so ya.. they can. I'm not seeing them having paid close to a BILLION dollars to have no control...
As other noted WAR is already being rushed to some undisclosed but set release date (hence content cuts). The fact that EA has been tossing around 100's of millions of $$'s like its candy.. certainly shows they had the funds to keep WAR in development until it was ready.
I also personally see the drop of EA from EAMythic (back to Mythic) being a sign of the pending future of Mythic..
So ya while any gamer wants a great game.. somehow I just don't see this as likely.. to many bad factors.
Regardless time will tell.
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I'm just waiting to see if anything at all will be officially released by LA, Bioware, or SOE commenting on , confirming, denying or spinning this probably premature and unexpected release by EA. I would love to see the tap dancing.
Any current player out there that posts on the SWG Oforums, please go on there and ask what the future of SWG will be if the info is true. Someone here posted there already got banned. I bet SOE will continue that policy because they know they can't say the truth because they will lose current and any future subs. They can't lie because when the truth comes out it will harm their already damaged rep. It seems to me they are going to ignore and sweep it under the rug. And silence any customer that tries to bring it up.
You are paying for this product. They have made promises of where the game is going like Hoth and DE revamp. Now if they know they are going to shut down because LA doesn't want two SW MMO's, will these and other promises really be fulfilled. Even if they are how much time will you have left to play them.
These are certainly questions I would want answers to if I was subbed. And unless I had these confirmed answers by SOE, I will never resub. I was starting to think about it with the WS upgrade. But now, I honestly feel this game could be pulled at any moment. What would be the point.
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i give nge another 4 months before it shuts down.
i knew hoth wasn't going to go in the game and i bet they won't even put gu5 in now.
i just hope they shutdown the nge in the next few weeks i want to go to vegas and laugh at the fanbois and fanbots at fanfest. and now i can say to $OE "this wouldn't have happen if you didn't take pre-cu from us!"
we won.
The problem with the fact that bioware has the financial backing to do such a mass-market mmo is that it will end up being your typical wowlike mass-market mmo and you'll end up with a watered down same-old same-old, instead of the king of all mmo's. (big investment in mmo dev = need for mass financial return = mass-market please-everone crappy typical mmo)
So I agree, it wont be the biggest mmo ever, it will be one of those things that after release everyone and their dog whines about on these forums (like post-nge swg, or aoc, or all your recent mmos)
I couldn't disagree more. I'm sure that Bioware will have to make comprises along the way to appeal to the mass market, but they'd never completely sell out and release a watered-down 'run-of-the-mill' mmo, or WoW: Star Wars. The devs have said themselves they won't be doing the same old stuff that past MMOs have, ie typical 'vacuum-area' quests. Sure they've said they are fans of WoW and AoC and other MMOs, but that dosen't mean they're trying to emulate those games.
About it being the biggest MMO ever, I highly doubt anything with ever be able to reach 10 million subs again, at least for another long while. Even Warhammer will be lucky to get over a million subs. I predict that if this is indeed KotoR online, and it releases as a solid game, it'll definetly overtake games such as AoC and LotRO. I mean, that's really not hard to predict.. I haven't seen this much hype and speculation over an MMO in a long time. Almost every game forum I've been to has a huge "KOTOR 3 MMO" thread.
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Well for one thing, about EA, pretty much without them during the dull years early on in gaming the landscape would look VERY different today, whether better or not that's up to someone else to decide. EA has published some stellar games and if we are going to be upset with them for churning out sequels, ummmm very few development houses do NOT churn out sequel after sequel. FFS Final Fantasy is on 13 with knock-offs galore. Hell Blizzard, in 15 years, has only made what 5 games? Lost Vikings, Diablo, Warcraft , Starcraft and WoW. What has BioWare done in that time? KotOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, MDK, NWN, and Shattered Steel. Not even talking about the 5 or 6 games still coming 2 of which will hit this year/early next year (Sonic Dark Chronicles and Dragon Age Origins).
EA has had some false starts as far as mmo's are concerned, will give them that. However, they are the first company to publish the first financially successful MMO. And for all the naysayers that are out there claiming EA is only in it for the money etc etc etc. They do give a rat's ass about the gamers. UO is a perfect example of this. When Trammel fugged up UO what did EA do? They opened pre-Trammel servers. When UO2 was almost done what did they do? Cancel it because they did not want to alienate their current subscriber base (which, btw for the SOE fanboys is still larger after 9 years than SWG today) in order to chase after that mythical number that may or may not have come into that game. As far as Warhammer is concerned, if you honestly think that EA is behind the recent cuts then you really have the attention span of a squirrel. Were it the big EVIL EA then don't you think they would pull the same bs that everyone else (blizzard, funcom, and soe) does? Mythic have already stated that if they need to they will delay Warhammer again and once the NDA is lifted you will all see why some people are quick to defend the game.
The crew that BioWare has working on this game are the *original* devs from SWG. Not the hacks behind the CU and the NGE, they are off working on some space shooter game, but the group that brought us the SWG that we all loved so much. That talent with a clear vision of where the game will go cannot be a bad thing. Will it be a game world or a game we don't know. We do know for a fact that BioWare have stated that this will be something new in the mmo space. It will be a story driven experience. Now, its been a few years since I played KotOR but I distinctly remember that being skill based moreso than mass effect. KotOR 2 wasn't BioWare.
I suspect that once Dragon Age is released there will be a flood of information coming out about the MMO. BioWare aren't ones to hype the next thing before the current thing is released. I am sure all will be made clear within the year.
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i give nge another 4 months before it shuts down.
i knew hoth wasn't going to go in the game and i bet they won't even put gu5 in now.
i just hope they shutdown the nge in the next few weeks i want to go to vegas and laugh at the fanbois and fanbots at fanfest. and now i can say to $OE "this wouldn't have happen if you didn't take pre-cu from us!"
we won.
LOL
You've been saying that for three years, buckaroo.
That said, I'm really looking forward to seeing what Bioware is going to come up with to separate this game from the run-of-the-mill MMOs.
EDIT: It was the "fanbois and fanbots" that "took pre-CU away from you"? WOW. Talk about misplaced aggression.