Wow...I'm shoced so many people are still crying about this. This will be the last post I make in this thread since you all seem rather stubborn on your opinion. None of you can actually speak from Jatar's posistion (except for Tdog). You do NOT now how much Friction's words may offend a developer...You say you have never seen a developer act the way Jatar did...that's utter bullcrap. If you never have seen a developer/site admin act that way, then you need to go refresh some memory. This happens. Wether you want to believe it or not, there were some shots at the game and the devs in general in that post. "So the people making CoS are probably a very small team with limited game/3d modelling experience - hence the crappy screenshots and the need for a publisher to inject money into the project so they can hire talented people and get the ball rolling." "The problem I'm seeing is that no publisher or investor is going to stump up cash to a screensaver company on the strength of those screenshots." "What motivated me was the appalling graphics and the rough-looking official site. I just had to know who was behind this. Scammers? College kids? Leprechauns?"
Friction's post CLEARLY showed a lac of respect in his original post. I must say, you people really need to learn how to read if you seriusly thought Jatar's post was just out of the blue. He should show no more respect just because he is a developer; that is utter crap. Friction was clearly rude about it, so Jatar will be as well.
"CoS devs - you have to improve what your game looks like (concept art, cgi trailer, renders, screenshots) to have any chance of success. Seriously."
I have no idea what world you guys live in but in "my" world which is the professional world you don't go off like that. I work for a 1 billion dollar a year company. Not the highest but not chump change. And I can assure you that any person who addressed anyone like that, no matter what they said, would be fired. End of subject.
As a matter of fact in all my companies I can't think of any instance in any company or even college that I worked for where a professional could do that.
It's just not done. if you think this is acceptable and your current job would allow it then I highly suggest you stay there for a good long time as you are in for a huge dissapointment if you ever change jobs.
As far as I am concerned I am a manager in my day life and I would have reprimanded him if he worked for me.
wow. just wow. I'm simply amazed.
Well you are correct with your post but you are not comparing the same type of Situation. You are viewing the situation from the wrong point of view. You are looking at it from a employee addressing another employee or a client or potiental client. Friction2u is none of these. This situation is basicly this.
You are on a company business trip, your sitting in the hotel lobby eatting breakfast. Some guy is talking to his friend and is just bashing your company. He is telling his friend that your company is a bunch of untalented hacks that cannot do anything and that you company sells drugs to little children. He then goes on to say that everyone that works for that company is dumber then a rock and they all are about as useful as ice in greenland.
Your telling me you would not give that guy a piece of your mind? Honestly? You are a better person then I my friend, because I would destroy that mans will to live.
Who cares what one person thinks honestly? Games are bashed much much worse everyday all day on these forums and many more. Never ever do I see dev's post like that, because as its been said several times now, its unprofessional, and to hire someone like that makes the company look pathetic.
For your little scenario, honestly I wouldn't give a hoot, and would continue eating my hopefully delicious breakfeast and probably pull out my ipod if it wasn't out prior to this
I think I would know more than what some guy is saying next to me about the company I work for, if anything I would listen in on him and see if I can figure out if theirs a good reason for such smack talk and use that information to try and look better for myself, and the company.
I would not curse him out or anything similar, probably wouldn't even talk to him because:
1. If I vented on the guy thats giving him an opportunity to further bash me and my company
2. He could file a lawsuit against me or the company or somthing
3. I'll look like an idiot to anyone who over hears us
4. It makes the entire company seem unprofessional which in turn drives off customers
5. If my boss heard about this event, id more than likely be fired.
Looking at it from his viewpoint im sure he doesn't want people bashing his game and co workers, but its going to happen, it alway does so its somthing that you need to get over and just deal with it.
Well you are correct with your post but you are not comparing the same type of Situation. You are viewing the situation from the wrong point of view. You are looking at it from a employee addressing another employee or a client or potiental client. Friction2u is none of these. This situation is basicly this. You are on a company business trip, your sitting in the hotel lobby eatting breakfast. Some guy is talking to his friend and is just bashing your company. He is telling his friend that your company is a bunch of untalented hacks that cannot do anything and that you company sells drugs to little children. He then goes on to say that everyone that works for that company is dumber then a rock and they all are about as useful as ice in greenland. Your telling me you would not give that guy a piece of your mind? Honestly? You are a better person then I my friend, because I would destroy that mans will to live.
There is a difference between wanting to rip the guy a new one (which I would) and what I am allowed to do.
I signed codes of conduct forms. I cannot do this. If he were to report me I could get fired. I could tell him I thought he was wrong but it would have to be in a way that was not confrontational.
I have no idea what type of company you work for but as for my current company as well as my last company, we cannot do this. heck, we just signed forms stating that we would not ever use a blackberry or cell phone in a moving vehicle if we are driving unless it is hands free.
companies don't mess around because of liability.
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I think the entire thread is being made into more then it really is x_x
All friction did was research a company and reported his findings. From there, his opinion seemed to be sound. I think people are trying to equivocate hiring talented to people to saying the current team is untalented when clearly he stated that the team appeared inexperienced (which from my point of view of the website and the way the game is presented on the website is not untrue).
The unprofessional response of the dev even more so promotes the idea that the team -is- small and inexperienced. To some this is an advantage, but there is knowledge to be gained from at least talking to the big boys in the industry and learning what you're getting yourself into. As a small and little-known company you have the advantage of not having anyone expect much of you, but resigning yourself to that level is a good way to finish off any potential you had, but don't be arrogant enough to treat somebody like crap because they wanted to attempt to learn more about who you are.
As far as, "Maturity," is concerned, I believe the its more of a function of, "Courtesy." Even when your opponent (I guess would be the proper term) comes off sounding crude not lowering yourself to that standard can mean the difference between being read as having an insecurity touched or being calm and sure of yourself.
Well, good luck to the dev in creating the game. In this industry, it doesn't hurt to have some..
Look Jatar made 3 comments about the original poster. I personally agreed with them seeing how the poster showed a complete lack of respect and OBVIOUSLY only posted with the intention to inflame people. I actually thought Jatar's remarks were funny because they were relating to a situation that is exactly what the poster was doing (making up informed data rather than just saying, "I don't know" or just asking for the right answer).
If the poster would have just simply ASKED these questions in a friendly manner Jatar would have answered them. We know this from his past posting experience, the guy doesn't tend to ignore posts. Instead the original poster just decided it'd be better to research a person who's related to MMO Magic and hosts the website, who also happened to sell some screensavers on the side and pays the hosting costs of the website.
What I can't understand is people who are so upset that Jatar actually had a backbone to standup to that guy.
If some random person on a website was researching personal details of an employee and posting them on the internet and then calling my company untalented I'd be beyond mad. I'm tired of the PC crap that's become the norm. People get angry, people are PEOPLE. You shouldn't have to take crap from someone no matter who you are. I've seen countless devs respond in simular manners in games ranging from EQ, to WoW to Vanguard to just about any other game. Heck if you had seen the AoC beta forums you would see devs rip people all over the place, much worse than Jatar did. And those were people helping test the game, not random people on a random forum.
If you look at the original poster's past history all he does is post inflamatory remarks about games that haven't been released. The MMO community doesn't need people like this who only intend to incite anger on the forums.
I'd be surprised if Jatar bothers to answer anyone anymore if all he's going to get is flamed for acting like a human being. The guy makes one post in response to some jerk about how his company needs to hire talent when he's probably been working on the game for the past 3+ years at 12+ hours a day.
I'm glad he showed some backbone in standing up to the guy... I want a company that will stand firm and fight for what they want, not another company that has a backbone that will bend over backwards to the will of anyone just to make a buck.
I'd much rather see people talking about the game than some petty argument that's going nowhere.
What I can't understand is people who are so upset that Jatar actually had a backbone to standup to that guy.
See Noimi's post.
There is a difference in being "politically correct" and Professional. It's very obvious that there are highly polarized opinions about the relationship between players and dev's.
As far as why this post is still going, when anyone makes strong remarks on a public forum it's going to invite discussion.
Especially when it crosses the line for some. It is what it is.
It is very obvious that people in this thread come from very different backgrounds and experiences and will never see eye to eye.
And we wonder why there is no world peace
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I'm pretty pissed off Friction did not name the credit that gave him the damn info to begin with, but anyway.
This goes further then most of you know, I did some investigating on Aventurine which you can read here if you wish I'm not summing this up. Of coarse the thread is now locked since the mods love to glorify themselves in their power circles. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187818
Then else where he was going on about CoS, so I dug up information on the domains, plotted some maps and found the address linked to the company. Easily I may add, there was no doubt in my mind CoS was indeed developing something. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2114420#2114420
Anyway Friction now has a boner to go after every other game since his is more than likely never seeing the light of day.
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I'm pretty pissed off Friction did not name the credit that gave him the damn info to begin with, but anyway. This goes further then most of you know, I did some investigating on Aventurine which you can read here if you wish I'm not summing this up. Of coarse the thread is now locked since the mods love to glorify themselves in their power circles. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187818 Then else where he was going on about CoS, so I dug up information on the domains, plotted some maps and found the address linked to the company. Easily I may add, there was no doubt in my mind CoS was indeed developing something. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2114420#2114420 Anyway Friction now has a boner to go after every other game since his is more than likely never seeing the light of day.
Interesting, so the second link shows how Friction2u was willing to lie and do whatever it took to come 'troll' our game just to get back at 'mike', (Mike470?).
Still, I was wrong to flare up about it. The tone (not facts) of my response were out of line. I apologize to the community. It won't happen again.
That said, all I ask is that people ask us for information rather than make up things that just aren't true by wildly speculating.
Here are some facts to clear up the latest round of speculation:
1) Atlantis3D, Inc. is not making Citadel of Sorcery. The connection is simply the licensing of an engine and two employees of A3D now work for MMO Magic, Inc. One of these is Mr. DeRuyter, who runs a P.O. Box that he uses to get mail for both companies (since he works for both).
2) Mr. DeRuyter's brother works for A3D.
3) MMO Magic, Inc. is not a 'family' business of the DeRuyters. Mr. DeRuyter is currently the Director of Level Design at MMO Magic, Inc., (Not that I have anything against a family business, we just aren't one).
Originally posted by Jatar Originally posted by HashBrick I'm pretty pissed off Friction did not name the credit that gave him the damn info to begin with, but anyway. This goes further then most of you know, I did some investigating on Aventurine which you can read here if you wish I'm not summing this up. Of coarse the thread is now locked since the mods love to glorify themselves in their power circles. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187818 Then else where he was going on about CoS, so I dug up information on the domains, plotted some maps and found the address linked to the company. Easily I may add, there was no doubt in my mind CoS was indeed developing something. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2114420#2114420 Anyway Friction now has a boner to go after every other game since his is more than likely never seeing the light of day.
Interesting, so the second link shows how Friction2u was willing to lie and do whatever it took to come 'troll' our game just to get back at 'mike', (Mike470?). Still, I was wrong to flare up about it. The tone (not facts) of my response were out of line. I apologize to the community. It won't happen again. That said, all I ask is that people ask us for information rather than make up things that just aren't true by wildly speculating. Here are some facts to clear up the latest round of speculation: 1) Atlantis3D, Inc. is not making Citadel of Sorcery. The connection is simply the licensing of an engine and two employees of A3D now work for MMO Magic, Inc. One of these is Mr. DeRuyter, who runs a P.O. Box that he uses to get mail for both companies (since he works for both). 2) Mr. DeRuyter's brother works for A3D. 3) MMO Magic, Inc. is not a 'family' business of the DeRuyters. Mr. DeRuyter is currently the Director of Level Design at MMO Magic, Inc., (Not that I have anything against a family business, we just aren't one). Anything else you want to know? Just ask.
Ya that pretty much sums it up. I know you probably don't search around the forms outside this realm much so wanted you to know what his motive was.
Anyway I commend you guys on going for some innovative and new and wish you guys the best luck on this venture. Looking forward to playing it in the near future.
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I'm pretty pissed off Friction did not name the credit that gave him the damn info to begin with, but anyway.
This goes further then most of you know, I did some investigating on Aventurine which you can read here if you wish I'm not summing this up. Of coarse the thread is now locked since the mods love to glorify themselves in their power circles. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187818
Then else where he was going on about CoS, so I dug up information on the domains, plotted some maps and found the address linked to the company. Easily I may add, there was no doubt in my mind CoS was indeed developing something. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2114420#2114420
Anyway Friction now has a boner to go after every other game since his is more than likely never seeing the light of day.
Interesting, so the second link shows how Friction2u was willing to lie and do whatever it took to come 'troll' our game just to get back at 'mike', (Mike470?).
Still, I was wrong to flare up about it. The tone (not facts) of my response were out of line. I apologize to the community. It won't happen again.
That said, all I ask is that people ask us for information rather than make up things that just aren't true by wildly speculating.
Here are some facts to clear up the latest round of speculation:
1) Atlantis3D, Inc. is not making Citadel of Sorcery. The connection is simply the licensing of an engine and two employees of A3D now work for MMO Magic, Inc. One of these is Mr. DeRuyter, who runs a P.O. Box that he uses to get mail for both companies (since he works for both).
2) Mr. DeRuyter's brother works for A3D.
3) MMO Magic, Inc. is not a 'family' business of the DeRuyters. Mr. DeRuyter is currently the Director of Level Design at MMO Magic, Inc., (Not that I have anything against a family business, we just aren't one).
Anything else you want to know? Just ask.
Ya that pretty much sums it up. I know you probably don't search around the forms outside this realm much so wanted you to know what his motive was.
Anyway I commend you guys on going for some innovative and new and wish you guys the best luck on this venture. Looking forward to playing it in the near future.
Mabye it's just Friction tryiing to be Sherlock Holmes (his thread got deleted), except Sherlock Holmes is usually correct....
I don't now what I did to him, but oh well..
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I have no idea what world you guys live in but in "my" world which is the professional world you don't go off like that. I work for a 1 billion dollar a year company. Not the highest but not chump change. And I can assure you that any person who addressed anyone like that, no matter what they said, would be fired. End of subject.
As a matter of fact in all my companies I can't think of any instance in any company or even college that I worked for where a professional could do that.
It's just not done. if you think this is acceptable and your current job would allow it then I highly suggest you stay there for a good long time as you are in for a huge dissapointment if you ever change jobs.
As far as I am concerned I am a manager in my day life and I would have reprimanded him if he worked for me.
wow. just wow. I'm simply amazed.
Well you are correct with your post but you are not comparing the same type of Situation. You are viewing the situation from the wrong point of view. You are looking at it from a employee addressing another employee or a client or potiental client. Friction2u is none of these. This situation is basicly this.
You are on a company business trip, your sitting in the hotel lobby eatting breakfast. Some guy is talking to his friend and is just bashing your company. He is telling his friend that your company is a bunch of untalented hacks that cannot do anything and that you company sells drugs to little children. He then goes on to say that everyone that works for that company is dumber then a rock and they all are about as useful as ice in greenland.
Your telling me you would not give that guy a piece of your mind? Honestly? You are a better person then I my friend, because I would destroy that mans will to live.
Who cares what one person thinks honestly? Games are bashed much much worse everyday all day on these forums and many more. Never ever do I see dev's post like that, because as its been said several times now, its unprofessional, and to hire someone like that makes the company look pathetic.
For your little scenario, honestly I wouldn't give a hoot, and would continue eating my hopefully delicious breakfeast and probably pull out my ipod if it wasn't out prior to this
I think I would know more than what some guy is saying next to me about the company I work for, if anything I would listen in on him and see if I can figure out if theirs a good reason for such smack talk and use that information to try and look better for myself, and the company.
I would not curse him out or anything similar, probably wouldn't even talk to him because:
1. If I vented on the guy thats giving him an opportunity to further bash me and my company
2. He could file a lawsuit against me or the company or somthing
3. I'll look like an idiot to anyone who over hears us
4. It makes the entire company seem unprofessional which in turn drives off customers
5. If my boss heard about this event, id more than likely be fired.
Looking at it from his viewpoint im sure he doesn't want people bashing his game and co workers, but its going to happen, it alway does so its somthing that you need to get over and just deal with it.
There is a difference between wanting to rip the guy a new one (which I would) and what I am allowed to do.
I signed codes of conduct forms. I cannot do this. If he were to report me I could get fired. I could tell him I thought he was wrong but it would have to be in a way that was not confrontational.
I have no idea what type of company you work for but as for my current company as well as my last company, we cannot do this. heck, we just signed forms stating that we would not ever use a blackberry or cell phone in a moving vehicle if we are driving unless it is hands free.
companies don't mess around because of liability.
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I think the entire thread is being made into more then it really is x_x
All friction did was research a company and reported his findings. From there, his opinion seemed to be sound. I think people are trying to equivocate hiring talented to people to saying the current team is untalented when clearly he stated that the team appeared inexperienced (which from my point of view of the website and the way the game is presented on the website is not untrue).
The unprofessional response of the dev even more so promotes the idea that the team -is- small and inexperienced. To some this is an advantage, but there is knowledge to be gained from at least talking to the big boys in the industry and learning what you're getting yourself into. As a small and little-known company you have the advantage of not having anyone expect much of you, but resigning yourself to that level is a good way to finish off any potential you had, but don't be arrogant enough to treat somebody like crap because they wanted to attempt to learn more about who you are.
As far as, "Maturity," is concerned, I believe the its more of a function of, "Courtesy." Even when your opponent (I guess would be the proper term) comes off sounding crude not lowering yourself to that standard can mean the difference between being read as having an insecurity touched or being calm and sure of yourself.
Well, good luck to the dev in creating the game. In this industry, it doesn't hurt to have some..
I can't believe this thread is still going.
Look Jatar made 3 comments about the original poster. I personally agreed with them seeing how the poster showed a complete lack of respect and OBVIOUSLY only posted with the intention to inflame people. I actually thought Jatar's remarks were funny because they were relating to a situation that is exactly what the poster was doing (making up informed data rather than just saying, "I don't know" or just asking for the right answer).
If the poster would have just simply ASKED these questions in a friendly manner Jatar would have answered them. We know this from his past posting experience, the guy doesn't tend to ignore posts. Instead the original poster just decided it'd be better to research a person who's related to MMO Magic and hosts the website, who also happened to sell some screensavers on the side and pays the hosting costs of the website.
What I can't understand is people who are so upset that Jatar actually had a backbone to standup to that guy.
If some random person on a website was researching personal details of an employee and posting them on the internet and then calling my company untalented I'd be beyond mad. I'm tired of the PC crap that's become the norm. People get angry, people are PEOPLE. You shouldn't have to take crap from someone no matter who you are. I've seen countless devs respond in simular manners in games ranging from EQ, to WoW to Vanguard to just about any other game. Heck if you had seen the AoC beta forums you would see devs rip people all over the place, much worse than Jatar did. And those were people helping test the game, not random people on a random forum.
If you look at the original poster's past history all he does is post inflamatory remarks about games that haven't been released. The MMO community doesn't need people like this who only intend to incite anger on the forums.
I'd be surprised if Jatar bothers to answer anyone anymore if all he's going to get is flamed for acting like a human being. The guy makes one post in response to some jerk about how his company needs to hire talent when he's probably been working on the game for the past 3+ years at 12+ hours a day.
I'm glad he showed some backbone in standing up to the guy... I want a company that will stand firm and fight for what they want, not another company that has a backbone that will bend over backwards to the will of anyone just to make a buck.
I'd much rather see people talking about the game than some petty argument that's going nowhere.
See Noimi's post.
There is a difference in being "politically correct" and Professional. It's very obvious that there are highly polarized opinions about the relationship between players and dev's.
As far as why this post is still going, when anyone makes strong remarks on a public forum it's going to invite discussion.
Especially when it crosses the line for some. It is what it is.
It is very obvious that people in this thread come from very different backgrounds and experiences and will never see eye to eye.
And we wonder why there is no world peace
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I'm pretty pissed off Friction did not name the credit that gave him the damn info to begin with, but anyway.
This goes further then most of you know, I did some investigating on Aventurine which you can read here if you wish I'm not summing this up. Of coarse the thread is now locked since the mods love to glorify themselves in their power circles. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187818
Then else where he was going on about CoS, so I dug up information on the domains, plotted some maps and found the address linked to the company. Easily I may add, there was no doubt in my mind CoS was indeed developing something. http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2114420#2114420
Anyway Friction now has a boner to go after every other game since his is more than likely never seeing the light of day.
Interesting, so the second link shows how Friction2u was willing to lie and do whatever it took to come 'troll' our game just to get back at 'mike', (Mike470?).
Still, I was wrong to flare up about it. The tone (not facts) of my response were out of line. I apologize to the community. It won't happen again.
That said, all I ask is that people ask us for information rather than make up things that just aren't true by wildly speculating.
Here are some facts to clear up the latest round of speculation:
1) Atlantis3D, Inc. is not making Citadel of Sorcery. The connection is simply the licensing of an engine and two employees of A3D now work for MMO Magic, Inc. One of these is Mr. DeRuyter, who runs a P.O. Box that he uses to get mail for both companies (since he works for both).
2) Mr. DeRuyter's brother works for A3D.
3) MMO Magic, Inc. is not a 'family' business of the DeRuyters. Mr. DeRuyter is currently the Director of Level Design at MMO Magic, Inc., (Not that I have anything against a family business, we just aren't one).
Anything else you want to know? Just ask.
Thank you. Shows Class.
Good luck with the project and I look forward to seeing what you guys come up with.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Interesting, so the second link shows how Friction2u was willing to lie and do whatever it took to come 'troll' our game just to get back at 'mike', (Mike470?).
Still, I was wrong to flare up about it. The tone (not facts) of my response were out of line. I apologize to the community. It won't happen again.
That said, all I ask is that people ask us for information rather than make up things that just aren't true by wildly speculating.
Here are some facts to clear up the latest round of speculation:
1) Atlantis3D, Inc. is not making Citadel of Sorcery. The connection is simply the licensing of an engine and two employees of A3D now work for MMO Magic, Inc. One of these is Mr. DeRuyter, who runs a P.O. Box that he uses to get mail for both companies (since he works for both).
2) Mr. DeRuyter's brother works for A3D.
3) MMO Magic, Inc. is not a 'family' business of the DeRuyters. Mr. DeRuyter is currently the Director of Level Design at MMO Magic, Inc., (Not that I have anything against a family business, we just aren't one).
Anything else you want to know? Just ask.
Ya that pretty much sums it up. I know you probably don't search around the forms outside this realm much so wanted you to know what his motive was.
Anyway I commend you guys on going for some innovative and new and wish you guys the best luck on this venture. Looking forward to playing it in the near future.
Interesting, so the second link shows how Friction2u was willing to lie and do whatever it took to come 'troll' our game just to get back at 'mike', (Mike470?).
Still, I was wrong to flare up about it. The tone (not facts) of my response were out of line. I apologize to the community. It won't happen again.
That said, all I ask is that people ask us for information rather than make up things that just aren't true by wildly speculating.
Here are some facts to clear up the latest round of speculation:
1) Atlantis3D, Inc. is not making Citadel of Sorcery. The connection is simply the licensing of an engine and two employees of A3D now work for MMO Magic, Inc. One of these is Mr. DeRuyter, who runs a P.O. Box that he uses to get mail for both companies (since he works for both).
2) Mr. DeRuyter's brother works for A3D.
3) MMO Magic, Inc. is not a 'family' business of the DeRuyters. Mr. DeRuyter is currently the Director of Level Design at MMO Magic, Inc., (Not that I have anything against a family business, we just aren't one).
Anything else you want to know? Just ask.
Ya that pretty much sums it up. I know you probably don't search around the forms outside this realm much so wanted you to know what his motive was.
Anyway I commend you guys on going for some innovative and new and wish you guys the best luck on this venture. Looking forward to playing it in the near future.
Mabye it's just Friction tryiing to be Sherlock Holmes (his thread got deleted), except Sherlock Holmes is usually correct....
I don't now what I did to him, but oh well..
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Way to go piss people off friction ...
Yay for me!