Now I bet alot of you expect this to be some crazy troll thread. It's not. Im just stating a prediction for the future. Age's ago before WoW came out you can look back on these forum's and see many post's saying how great WoW will be. It was great. Now the same thing is happening here with WAR. Many post's are being made about how great it will be. It will be great. Let's say WAR end's up getting 8 million player's. Will it still be considered great by the forum's? Or will it become just like WoW, waiting to get flamed for ruining MMO's forever. This is just something Ive begun to think about. If it prove's true then I think I can make conclusion that the MMO community doesnt base a game on good gameplay but how many member's it has. Comment below. Thank you!
Regardless of wether it got 8 or 8 million subscribers, there will ALWAYS be plenty of trolls to flame the game.
No-one actually gives a rats-ass what forumites think in the greater scheme of things, people who put stock in forum opinions do so at their peril.
The "mmo community" is NOT limited to forumites, maybe 10-20% actually read/post on forums, most just enjoy a game for what it is. Case in point, Warcraft. Imagine if 8 million people actually posted on a forum
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Some asian countries pay by the hour instead of the month, due to restrictions by the government on the amount of time you are allowed to play. So you can't really compare their price to everyone else.
But its also hard to include them as 5-6 million paying customers when some of them may only play a couple hours a month......Really I consider WoWs customer base as Europe and North AMerica.(appx 4.5 million)....The hourly players in Asia arent on any servers any of us have ever seen so I really dont consider them customers liek the Euros and Americans......As for Warhammer it will most likely sell a million boxes right off the bat......What happens after that is anyones guess......
Originally posted by Majinash Originally posted by Jaga-TAO WAR != WOWOP == ???!?
shoulda read the topic ^^ OP was talking about how successful WAR will be compared to WoW, not how the features themselves are similar. I did, don't make assumptions. WAR will not be equal to WoW in *ANY* way, shape, or form. That means game systems, # of players, etc etc. The only thing that makes people compare them, is the fact that WoW essentially ripped off much of it's content and look-and-feel from the Warhammer game, which has been around for decades.
The two MMOGs are nothing alike, nor will be.
P.S. You can take your foot out of your mouth now.
shoulda read the topic ^^ OP was talking about how successful WAR will be compared to WoW, not how the features themselves are similar.
I did, don't make assumptions. WAR will not be equal to WoW in *ANY* way, shape, or form. That means game systems, # of players, etc etc. The only thing that makes people compare them, is the fact that WoW essentially ripped off much of it's content and look-and-feel from the Warhammer game, which has been around for decades.
The two MMOGs are nothing alike, nor will be.
P.S. You can take your foot out of your mouth now.
Would it make you feel better if I said I used that title mainly to get people's attention?
shoulda read the topic ^^ OP was talking about how successful WAR will be compared to WoW, not how the features themselves are similar.
I did, don't make assumptions. WAR will not be equal to WoW in *ANY* way, shape, or form. That means game systems, # of players, etc etc. The only thing that makes people compare them, is the fact that WoW essentially ripped off much of it's content and look-and-feel from the Warhammer game, which has been around for decades.
The two MMOGs are nothing alike, nor will be.
P.S. You can take your foot out of your mouth now.
What has a fantasy battle tin minatures game (I like to play btw) to do with a computer game of RTS or MMORPG?
Nothing. The Lore history of Wow is completely different from WAR. And as I might say: reading the books and (latest) comics the lore of Wow is a damned good one - with video games at its base.
I also love the miniatures lore of Warhmammer (although it did hurt when GW just scrapped the Order of Ulric in its last army books - just like they never existed).
If I were Tolkien Jr I sued them both AND Dungeons and Dragons for using 95% of my fantasy world ....
Vick, I am wondering why you continue to hang out here. Its obvious your not interested in the game. So why don't you go back to the WoW forums and join in on the circle jerk around WotLK with the rest of the fanboys over there.
Vick, I am wondering why you continue to hang out here. Its obvious your not interested in the game. So why don't you go back to the WoW forums and join in on the circle jerk around WotLK with the rest of the fanboys over there.
He just wants to be an asshole. He just wants to stroke his e-peen so that he feels good about himself IRL.
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Its funny Vick, I just saw your "4 points" on why WAR will suck. Those issues have all been covered by not only people who played it at conventions, but also Mythic themselves.
You obviously shown you haven't been researching the game at all. Obvious you do not know what DAOC was like, since you completely ignore all the expansions they put in.
So please stop repeating yourself, you make yourself look bad.
Also, you sir, definitely do not speak for PvP'ers. I don;t care what rank you are, you have no idea what PvP'ers are looking for.
Its funny Vick, I just saw your "4 points" on why WAR will suck. Those issues have all been covered by not only people who played it at conventions, but also Mythic themselves.
You obviously shown you haven't been researching the game at all. Obvious you do not know what DAOC was like, since you completely ignore all the expansions they put in. So please stop repeating yourself, you make yourself look bad.
Also, you sir, definitely do not speak for PvP'ers. I don;t care what rank you are, you have no idea what PvP'ers are looking for.
LOL. Glad you know me.....
besides being Justicar , I am enjoying Arena very much thanx.
Like I said before I showed the leaked WAR videos to some very high talented WoW PvP players and all they could say was: too slow - too static. Far from the hectic or frantic fighting you'd expect from a PvP game.
Each day I am doing the daily (until win) PvP fight and about 4 or 5 times a week I join the open world Halaa daily. So add 1 or 2 PVE raids a week and you get a good idea, I have quite a few BG's and world fights under my belt.
...having said that .... my two twinks hardly see any playin that game. PvP "only "becomes stale after so many weeks. The average twink guilds last about 3 months and than it's over. I am into my 4th twink guild now in just 12 months time.
The lvl 70 PVE part gives a break from PvP and since the choice is that big in the end game (and that long - because I am in a guild who is only beginning at BT now), it's good to have the two alternatives of PVE/PVP.
Now I might add I have a friend who is top notch in PvP (he doesn't raid only arena and PvP) and he did excatly the same: creating twinks but hardly playing longer than a few weeks with them.
The main driving force for me stays the fine-tuning of your hi-end character with ALL playing styles (PVE,PVP,Arena,crafting,potions, elixirs). It is all tuned and has a purpose.
Once you get out of that system it's over and interest fades very fast. Not even titles will bring the motivation back.
This is my opinion and I know you have yours, the difference is I NEVER fall back to personal remarks. that's only for the fanboys.
I try to look at any new MMORPG and try to analyse them - both from a techical point as from a gameplay value.
God I had so much fun back in those days on the AoC fan forums (not on MMORPG.COM btw). The best post was (back in March 08), when I said AoC would be "dead after one month hype", I was so on top of this.
Now I am NOT saying WAR is in that category - far from. I only stick to my original 4 points of "weaknesses".
I NEVER said WAR will suck (so please take that back !!!)
It is just an opnion - we will see who is right in January 2009 (like I said warhammer will have a blast in the first 3 months).
Its funny Vick, I just saw your "4 points" on why WAR will suck. Those issues have all been covered by not only people who played it at conventions, but also Mythic themselves.
You obviously shown you haven't been researching the game at all. Obvious you do not know what DAOC was like, since you completely ignore all the expansions they put in. So please stop repeating yourself, you make yourself look bad.
Also, you sir, definitely do not speak for PvP'ers. I don;t care what rank you are, you have no idea what PvP'ers are looking for.
LOL. Glad you know me.....
besides being Justicar , I am enjoying Arena very much thanx.
Like I said before I showed the leaked WAR videos to some very high talented WoW PvP players and all they could say was: too slow - too static. Far from the hectic or frantic fighting you'd expect from a PvP game.
Each day I am doing the daily (until win) PvP fight and about 4 or 5 times a week I join the open world Halaa daily. So add 1 or 2 PVE raids a week and you get a good idea, I have quite a few BG's and world fights under my belt.
...having said that .... my two twinks hardly see any playin that game. PvP "only "becomes stale after so many weeks. The average twink guilds last about 3 months and than it's over. I am into my 4th twink guild now in just 12 months time.
The lvl 70 PVE part gives a break from PvP and since the choice is that big in the end game (and that long - because I am in a guild who is only beginning at BT now), it's good to have the two alternatives of PVE/PVP.
Now I might add I have a friend who is top notch in PvP (he doesn't raid only arena and PvP) and he did excatly the same: creating twinks but hardly playing longer than a few weeks with them.
The main driving force for me stays the fine-tuning of your hi-end character with ALL playing styles (PVE,PVP,Arena,crafting,potions, elixirs). It is all tuned and has a purpose.
Once you get out of that system it's over and interest fades very fast. Not even titles will bring the motivation back.
This is my opinion and I know you have yours, the difference is I NEVER fall back to personal remarks. that's only for the fanboys.
I try to look at any new MMORPG and try to analyse them - both from a techical point as from a gameplay value.
God I had so much fun back in those days on the AoC fan forums (not on MMORPG.COM btw). The best post was (back in March 08), when I said AoC would be "dead after one month hype", I was so on top of this.
Now I am NOT saying WAR is in that category - far from. I only stick to my original 4 points of "weaknesses".
I NEVER said WAR will suck (so please take that back !!!)
It is just an opnion - we will see who is right in January 2009 (like I said warhammer will have a blast in the first 3 months).
Bye
Very high talented WOW pvp players. this is one source i won t trust. I played WOW for quite awhile and the talent you speak of has nothing to do with player skill , it has to do with how long they can endure raid after raid. Then learn how to stun lock/fear/blink/sheep, then when all else fails bunny hop all over like a 10 year old on a caffeine high.
Very high talented WOW pvp players. this is one source i won t trust. I played WOW for quite awhile and the talent you speak of has nothing to do with player skill , it has to do with how long they can endure raid after raid. Then learn how to stun lock/fear/blink/sheep, then when all else fails bunny hop all over like a 10 year old on a caffeine high.
You DO know that these days you no longer have to raid to get the best PvP gear in Wow???
Apparently it was ages ago since you last played ... my guess is not past summer of 07.
Well M8 wake up: old Wow is gone more than a year ago.
I am talking of players playing about 50 to 60 daily arena fights and purely BG's and Haala fights in premade groups. Lots of them who play like this these days.
Very high talented WOW pvp players. this is one source i won t trust. I played WOW for quite awhile and the talent you speak of has nothing to do with player skill , it has to do with how long they can endure raid after raid. Then learn how to stun lock/fear/blink/sheep, then when all else fails bunny hop all over like a 10 year old on a caffeine high.
You DO know that these days you no longer have to raid to get the best PvP gear in Wow???
Apparently it was ages ago since you last played ... my guess is not past summer of 07.
Well M8 wake up: old Wow is gone more than a year ago.
I am talking of players playing about 50 to 60 daily arena fights and purely BG's and Haala fights in premade groups. Lots of them who play like this these days.
Arena fights and BGs i still rest my case. It s hard to explain to somene that considers WOW even having pvp at all.
Very high talented WOW pvp players. this is one source i won t trust. I played WOW for quite awhile and the talent you speak of has nothing to do with player skill , it has to do with how long they can endure raid after raid. Then learn how to stun lock/fear/blink/sheep, then when all else fails bunny hop all over like a 10 year old on a caffeine high.
You DO know that these days you no longer have to raid to get the best PvP gear in Wow???
Apparently it was ages ago since you last played ... my guess is not past summer of 07.
Well M8 wake up: old Wow is gone more than a year ago.
I am talking of players playing about 50 to 60 daily arena fights and purely BG's and Haala fights in premade groups. Lots of them who play like this these days.
You completely ignored the other half of his post because he's right. Good job Vick.
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Very high talented WOW pvp players. this is one source i won t trust. I played WOW for quite awhile and the talent you speak of has nothing to do with player skill , it has to do with how long they can endure raid after raid. Then learn how to stun lock/fear/blink/sheep, then when all else fails bunny hop all over like a 10 year old on a caffeine high.
You DO know that these days you no longer have to raid to get the best PvP gear in Wow???
Apparently it was ages ago since you last played ... my guess is not past summer of 07.
Well M8 wake up: old Wow is gone more than a year ago.
I am talking of players playing about 50 to 60 daily arena fights and purely BG's and Haala fights in premade groups. Lots of them who play like this these days.
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Originally posted by unherdninja Now I bet alot of you expect this to be some crazy troll thread. It's not. Im just stating a prediction for the future. Age's ago before WoW came out you can look back on these forum's and see many post's saying how great WoW will be. It was great. Now the same thing is happening here with WAR. Many post's are being made about how great it will be. It will be great. Let's say WAR end's up getting 8 million player's. Will it still be considered great by the forum's? Or will it become just like WoW, waiting to get flamed for ruining MMO's forever. This is just something Ive begun to think about. If it prove's true then I think I can make conclusion that the MMO community doesnt base a game on good gameplay but how many member's it has. Comment below. Thank you!
Well your post wasnt what I thought it was going to be.
Glad you came to this conclusion. Look man, save yourself alot of thinking and just get to the end game out of the box conclusion about WOW/the community/what makes a game good.
Numbers dont equal quality. And vice versa. Just because a game has a bunch of people doesnt mean its bad.
People in mass are morons.
I have the most fond memories of Dark Ages of Camelot. My computer was terrible, my OS was terrible, I didnt have vent, I played on dialup, I didnt know anyone in RL that played it, I didnt have a good guild but I had a blast.
Originally posted by Vicksburg Originally posted by jerlot65 Its funny Vick, I just saw your "4 points" on why WAR will suck. Those issues have all been covered by not only people who played it at conventions, but also Mythic themselves.
You obviously shown you haven't been researching the game at all. Obvious you do not know what DAOC was like, since you completely ignore all the expansions they put in. So please stop repeating yourself, you make yourself look bad.
Also, you sir, definitely do not speak for PvP'ers. I don;t care what rank you are, you have no idea what PvP'ers are looking for.
LOL. Glad you know me..... besides being Justicar , I am enjoying Arena very much thanx. Like I said before I showed the leaked WAR videos to some very high talented WoW PvP players and all they could say was: too slow - too static. Far from the hectic or frantic fighting you'd expect from a PvP game. Each day I am doing the daily (until win) PvP fight and about 4 or 5 times a week I join the open world Halaa daily. So add 1 or 2 PVE raids a week and you get a good idea, I have quite a few BG's and world fights under my belt. ...having said that .... my two twinks hardly see any playin that game. PvP "only "becomes stale after so many weeks. The average twink guilds last about 3 months and than it's over. I am into my 4th twink guild now in just 12 months time. The lvl 70 PVE part gives a break from PvP and since the choice is that big in the end game (and that long - because I am in a guild who is only beginning at BT now), it's good to have the two alternatives of PVE/PVP. Now I might add I have a friend who is top notch in PvP (he doesn't raid only arena and PvP) and he did excatly the same: creating twinks but hardly playing longer than a few weeks with them. The main driving force for me stays the fine-tuning of your hi-end character with ALL playing styles (PVE,PVP,Arena,crafting,potions, elixirs). It is all tuned and has a purpose. Once you get out of that system it's over and interest fades very fast. Not even titles will bring the motivation back. This is my opinion and I know you have yours, the difference is I NEVER fall back to personal remarks. that's only for the fanboys. I try to look at any new MMORPG and try to analyse them - both from a techical point as from a gameplay value. God I had so much fun back in those days on the AoC fan forums (not on MMORPG.COM btw). The best post was (back in March 08), when I said AoC would be "dead after one month hype", I was so on top of this. Now I am NOT saying WAR is in that category - far from. I only stick to my original 4 points of "weaknesses". I NEVER said WAR will suck (so please take that back !!!)
It is just an opnion - we will see who is right in January 2009 (like I said warhammer will have a blast in the first 3 months). Bye
YOU SUMMED IT UP.
Its just your opinion. No matter what its up to the individual to decide what they think is fun.
We will see who is right?? wtf....
WAR could have 10k players for 6 years straight and YOU could be wrong if those 10k are having a blast and enjoying themselves.
So the other day I showed some arena fight video to some leet Real life PVPers and they said the action was way too slow and stupid and people were running THROUGH each other to mess with LoS. So yeah, obviously WoW's PvP sucks because some people are are "leet" say they don't like it.
Just because you run in pre-mades doesn't mean you are good at PvP, put that same person in a PuG and they would get steamrolled. WoW PvP is all about gear and class balance. the team with healers and warriors wins, the team without healers loses.
WAR videos look far better than most WOW videos I've seen, the action looks interesting and it doesn't have people running through each other (something I find annoying). people who are too blind to notice thats its good and FUN will never see. They'll keep saying the same things about it over and over in an attempt to get attention, but those people don't matter so everything is fine.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
I have the most fond memories of Dark Ages of Camelot. My computer was terrible, my OS was terrible, I didnt have vent, I played on dialup, I didnt know anyone in RL that played it, I didnt have a good guild but I had a blast.
I can identify with this.
I have a better comp and connection now but DAoC RvR was a total blast. Utterly addictive.
The lack of world PvP objectives that actually mean something besides some PvE quest/buff or subpar items in endgame is laughable. Futhermore, they have packaged all the endgame PvP into 4 BGs and arenas. This has depleted world PvP together with the lack of world PvP objectives and flying mounts.
Besides ganking and incidental world PvP in the course of levelling or acquiring PvE based objectives, world PvP is a joke. The main problem was making it item and PvE orientated.
The ONE new PvP zone in WOTLK Lake Wintergrasp will probably be another transient, loot and scoot item grind and has come too little, too late.
Endgame PvP is 4 BGs + Arenas
The lack of expansion of PvP vs PvE is alarming. All WoW is doing is upgrading items sets without adding any new PvP content. In so 4 years there are only 4 BGs and Arena as the staple end-game PvP.
Face it, WoW is not a PvP centric game and never will be. They have made PvP into a casual friendly small circuit, instanced item grindfest.
Arenas were fun when they started but the gladiatorial style of PvP in now way substitutes for true MMO PvP entirely and should not.
WoW makes you play the same 4 BG and arena 2394023948023948240398 times. The reason being they are too lazy to implement new PvP content and try to draw out their existing content by making people play the same thing a gabazillion times. This farce continues as more arena seasons roll buy with casual friendly arena gear being handed out like candy.
They have no clue how to tackle or implement good large scale PvP content or add any PvP progression other than item based, and face it WoW isn't built for it either.
Alas,
Gone are the days of massive keep battles with upwards of 10 guild sieging a castle or keep.
Gone are the days of massive standoffs at takeover points where you see a frontline of massive amounts of people defending and attacking. Goading each other and trying to find weak spots to charge.
Gone is the realm pride where you coordinated with a ton of other people from different guilds with the same objectives to takeover the enemies key points and achieved it.
Gone is the comraderie that ensues when the horde enemy is nigh and you look at your realm mates next you you as you prepare for the final stand in a small room.
Gone are the tears of joy which erupt when the battle is won versus far superior number by skill, kiting and choke point control.
Bring back the days of ole, where sword over sword and staff over staff ring a hundred man strong along the battlefield.
Where hundreds of arrows whizz overhead as archers line the parapats of the castles and keeps defending them with their bows.
Bring back the days of massive battles, keep sieges and territory control.
Bring back truely massive player versus player combat.
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Regardless of wether it got 8 or 8 million subscribers, there will ALWAYS be plenty of trolls to flame the game.
No-one actually gives a rats-ass what forumites think in the greater scheme of things, people who put stock in forum opinions do so at their peril.
The "mmo community" is NOT limited to forumites, maybe 10-20% actually read/post on forums, most just enjoy a game for what it is. Case in point, Warcraft. Imagine if 8 million people actually posted on a forum
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WAR != WOW
OP == ???!?
shoulda read the topic ^^ OP was talking about how successful WAR will be compared to WoW, not how the features themselves are similar.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
But its also hard to include them as 5-6 million paying customers when some of them may only play a couple hours a month......Really I consider WoWs customer base as Europe and North AMerica.(appx 4.5 million)....The hourly players in Asia arent on any servers any of us have ever seen so I really dont consider them customers liek the Euros and Americans......As for Warhammer it will most likely sell a million boxes right off the bat......What happens after that is anyones guess......
shoulda read the topic ^^ OP was talking about how successful WAR will be compared to WoW, not how the features themselves are similar.
I did, don't make assumptions. WAR will not be equal to WoW in *ANY* way, shape, or form. That means game systems, # of players, etc etc. The only thing that makes people compare them, is the fact that WoW essentially ripped off much of it's content and look-and-feel from the Warhammer game, which has been around for decades.
The two MMOGs are nothing alike, nor will be.
P.S. You can take your foot out of your mouth now.
shoulda read the topic ^^ OP was talking about how successful WAR will be compared to WoW, not how the features themselves are similar.
I did, don't make assumptions. WAR will not be equal to WoW in *ANY* way, shape, or form. That means game systems, # of players, etc etc. The only thing that makes people compare them, is the fact that WoW essentially ripped off much of it's content and look-and-feel from the Warhammer game, which has been around for decades.
The two MMOGs are nothing alike, nor will be.
P.S. You can take your foot out of your mouth now.
Would it make you feel better if I said I used that title mainly to get people's attention?
shoulda read the topic ^^ OP was talking about how successful WAR will be compared to WoW, not how the features themselves are similar.
I did, don't make assumptions. WAR will not be equal to WoW in *ANY* way, shape, or form. That means game systems, # of players, etc etc. The only thing that makes people compare them, is the fact that WoW essentially ripped off much of it's content and look-and-feel from the Warhammer game, which has been around for decades.
The two MMOGs are nothing alike, nor will be.
P.S. You can take your foot out of your mouth now.
What has a fantasy battle tin minatures game (I like to play btw) to do with a computer game of RTS or MMORPG?
Nothing. The Lore history of Wow is completely different from WAR. And as I might say: reading the books and (latest) comics the lore of Wow is a damned good one - with video games at its base.
I also love the miniatures lore of Warhmammer (although it did hurt when GW just scrapped the Order of Ulric in its last army books - just like they never existed).
If I were Tolkien Jr I sued them both AND Dungeons and Dragons for using 95% of my fantasy world ....
LOL
Vick, I am wondering why you continue to hang out here. Its obvious your not interested in the game. So why don't you go back to the WoW forums and join in on the circle jerk around WotLK with the rest of the fanboys over there.
He just wants to be an asshole. He just wants to stroke his e-peen so that he feels good about himself IRL.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
Its funny Vick, I just saw your "4 points" on why WAR will suck. Those issues have all been covered by not only people who played it at conventions, but also Mythic themselves.
You obviously shown you haven't been researching the game at all. Obvious you do not know what DAOC was like, since you completely ignore all the expansions they put in.
So please stop repeating yourself, you make yourself look bad.
Also, you sir, definitely do not speak for PvP'ers. I don;t care what rank you are, you have no idea what PvP'ers are looking for.
LOL. Glad you know me.....
besides being Justicar , I am enjoying Arena very much thanx.
Like I said before I showed the leaked WAR videos to some very high talented WoW PvP players and all they could say was: too slow - too static. Far from the hectic or frantic fighting you'd expect from a PvP game.
Each day I am doing the daily (until win) PvP fight and about 4 or 5 times a week I join the open world Halaa daily. So add 1 or 2 PVE raids a week and you get a good idea, I have quite a few BG's and world fights under my belt.
...having said that .... my two twinks hardly see any playin that game. PvP "only "becomes stale after so many weeks. The average twink guilds last about 3 months and than it's over. I am into my 4th twink guild now in just 12 months time.
The lvl 70 PVE part gives a break from PvP and since the choice is that big in the end game (and that long - because I am in a guild who is only beginning at BT now), it's good to have the two alternatives of PVE/PVP.
Now I might add I have a friend who is top notch in PvP (he doesn't raid only arena and PvP) and he did excatly the same: creating twinks but hardly playing longer than a few weeks with them.
The main driving force for me stays the fine-tuning of your hi-end character with ALL playing styles (PVE,PVP,Arena,crafting,potions, elixirs). It is all tuned and has a purpose.
Once you get out of that system it's over and interest fades very fast. Not even titles will bring the motivation back.
This is my opinion and I know you have yours, the difference is I NEVER fall back to personal remarks. that's only for the fanboys.
I try to look at any new MMORPG and try to analyse them - both from a techical point as from a gameplay value.
God I had so much fun back in those days on the AoC fan forums (not on MMORPG.COM btw). The best post was (back in March 08), when I said AoC would be "dead after one month hype", I was so on top of this.
Now I am NOT saying WAR is in that category - far from. I only stick to my original 4 points of "weaknesses".
I NEVER said WAR will suck (so please take that back !!!)
It is just an opnion - we will see who is right in January 2009 (like I said warhammer will have a blast in the first 3 months).
Bye
LOL. Glad you know me.....
besides being Justicar , I am enjoying Arena very much thanx.
Like I said before I showed the leaked WAR videos to some very high talented WoW PvP players and all they could say was: too slow - too static. Far from the hectic or frantic fighting you'd expect from a PvP game.
Each day I am doing the daily (until win) PvP fight and about 4 or 5 times a week I join the open world Halaa daily. So add 1 or 2 PVE raids a week and you get a good idea, I have quite a few BG's and world fights under my belt.
...having said that .... my two twinks hardly see any playin that game. PvP "only "becomes stale after so many weeks. The average twink guilds last about 3 months and than it's over. I am into my 4th twink guild now in just 12 months time.
The lvl 70 PVE part gives a break from PvP and since the choice is that big in the end game (and that long - because I am in a guild who is only beginning at BT now), it's good to have the two alternatives of PVE/PVP.
Now I might add I have a friend who is top notch in PvP (he doesn't raid only arena and PvP) and he did excatly the same: creating twinks but hardly playing longer than a few weeks with them.
The main driving force for me stays the fine-tuning of your hi-end character with ALL playing styles (PVE,PVP,Arena,crafting,potions, elixirs). It is all tuned and has a purpose.
Once you get out of that system it's over and interest fades very fast. Not even titles will bring the motivation back.
This is my opinion and I know you have yours, the difference is I NEVER fall back to personal remarks. that's only for the fanboys.
I try to look at any new MMORPG and try to analyse them - both from a techical point as from a gameplay value.
God I had so much fun back in those days on the AoC fan forums (not on MMORPG.COM btw). The best post was (back in March 08), when I said AoC would be "dead after one month hype", I was so on top of this.
Now I am NOT saying WAR is in that category - far from. I only stick to my original 4 points of "weaknesses".
I NEVER said WAR will suck (so please take that back !!!)
It is just an opnion - we will see who is right in January 2009 (like I said warhammer will have a blast in the first 3 months).
Bye
Very high talented WOW pvp players. this is one source i won t trust. I played WOW for quite awhile and the talent you speak of has nothing to do with player skill , it has to do with how long they can endure raid after raid. Then learn how to stun lock/fear/blink/sheep, then when all else fails bunny hop all over like a 10 year old on a caffeine high.
You DO know that these days you no longer have to raid to get the best PvP gear in Wow???
Apparently it was ages ago since you last played ... my guess is not past summer of 07.
Well M8 wake up: old Wow is gone more than a year ago.
I am talking of players playing about 50 to 60 daily arena fights and purely BG's and Haala fights in premade groups. Lots of them who play like this these days.
You DO know that these days you no longer have to raid to get the best PvP gear in Wow???
Apparently it was ages ago since you last played ... my guess is not past summer of 07.
Well M8 wake up: old Wow is gone more than a year ago.
I am talking of players playing about 50 to 60 daily arena fights and purely BG's and Haala fights in premade groups. Lots of them who play like this these days.
Arena fights and BGs i still rest my case. It s hard to explain to somene that considers WOW even having pvp at all.
You DO know that these days you no longer have to raid to get the best PvP gear in Wow???
Apparently it was ages ago since you last played ... my guess is not past summer of 07.
Well M8 wake up: old Wow is gone more than a year ago.
I am talking of players playing about 50 to 60 daily arena fights and purely BG's and Haala fights in premade groups. Lots of them who play like this these days.
You completely ignored the other half of his post because he's right. Good job Vick.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
You DO know that these days you no longer have to raid to get the best PvP gear in Wow???
Apparently it was ages ago since you last played ... my guess is not past summer of 07.
Well M8 wake up: old Wow is gone more than a year ago.
I am talking of players playing about 50 to 60 daily arena fights and purely BG's and Haala fights in premade groups. Lots of them who play like this these days.
Congratulations...
You know,your like those bad smell that stick to a room no matter what people do to remove it
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Well your post wasnt what I thought it was going to be.
Glad you came to this conclusion.
Look man, save yourself alot of thinking and just get to the end game out of the box conclusion about WOW/the community/what makes a game good.
Numbers dont equal quality.
And vice versa.
Just because a game has a bunch of people doesnt mean its bad.
People in mass are morons.
I have the most fond memories of Dark Ages of Camelot. My computer was terrible, my OS was terrible, I didnt have vent, I played on dialup, I didnt know anyone in RL that played it, I didnt have a good guild but I had a blast.
LOL. Glad you know me.....
besides being Justicar , I am enjoying Arena very much thanx.
Like I said before I showed the leaked WAR videos to some very high talented WoW PvP players and all they could say was: too slow - too static. Far from the hectic or frantic fighting you'd expect from a PvP game.
Each day I am doing the daily (until win) PvP fight and about 4 or 5 times a week I join the open world Halaa daily. So add 1 or 2 PVE raids a week and you get a good idea, I have quite a few BG's and world fights under my belt.
...having said that .... my two twinks hardly see any playin that game. PvP "only "becomes stale after so many weeks. The average twink guilds last about 3 months and than it's over. I am into my 4th twink guild now in just 12 months time.
The lvl 70 PVE part gives a break from PvP and since the choice is that big in the end game (and that long - because I am in a guild who is only beginning at BT now), it's good to have the two alternatives of PVE/PVP.
Now I might add I have a friend who is top notch in PvP (he doesn't raid only arena and PvP) and he did excatly the same: creating twinks but hardly playing longer than a few weeks with them.
The main driving force for me stays the fine-tuning of your hi-end character with ALL playing styles (PVE,PVP,Arena,crafting,potions, elixirs). It is all tuned and has a purpose.
Once you get out of that system it's over and interest fades very fast. Not even titles will bring the motivation back.
This is my opinion and I know you have yours, the difference is I NEVER fall back to personal remarks. that's only for the fanboys.
I try to look at any new MMORPG and try to analyse them - both from a techical point as from a gameplay value.
God I had so much fun back in those days on the AoC fan forums (not on MMORPG.COM btw). The best post was (back in March 08), when I said AoC would be "dead after one month hype", I was so on top of this.
Now I am NOT saying WAR is in that category - far from. I only stick to my original 4 points of "weaknesses".
I NEVER said WAR will suck (so please take that back !!!)
It is just an opnion - we will see who is right in January 2009 (like I said warhammer will have a blast in the first 3 months).
Bye
YOU SUMMED IT UP.
Its just your opinion. No matter what its up to the individual to decide what they think is fun.
We will see who is right?? wtf....
WAR could have 10k players for 6 years straight and YOU could be wrong if those 10k are having a blast and enjoying themselves.
So the other day I showed some arena fight video to some leet Real life PVPers and they said the action was way too slow and stupid and people were running THROUGH each other to mess with LoS. So yeah, obviously WoW's PvP sucks because some people are are "leet" say they don't like it.
Just because you run in pre-mades doesn't mean you are good at PvP, put that same person in a PuG and they would get steamrolled. WoW PvP is all about gear and class balance. the team with healers and warriors wins, the team without healers loses.
WAR videos look far better than most WOW videos I've seen, the action looks interesting and it doesn't have people running through each other (something I find annoying). people who are too blind to notice thats its good and FUN will never see. They'll keep saying the same things about it over and over in an attempt to get attention, but those people don't matter so everything is fine.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
I can identify with this.
I have a better comp and connection now but DAoC RvR was a total blast. Utterly addictive.
I really think WAR is going to shine.
~ Ancient Membership ~
So true
The only thing they have in common is cohesive movement. Nothing is even close to being the same. Warhammer is a PvP game. Get over it and move on.
Edited because PvP and RvR aren't the same =P
sorry I'm picky.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
The Ultimate Failure of WoW PvP
No Massive Objective Based World PvP
The lack of world PvP objectives that actually mean something besides some PvE quest/buff or subpar items in endgame is laughable. Futhermore, they have packaged all the endgame PvP into 4 BGs and arenas. This has depleted world PvP together with the lack of world PvP objectives and flying mounts.
Besides ganking and incidental world PvP in the course of levelling or acquiring PvE based objectives, world PvP is a joke. The main problem was making it item and PvE orientated.
The ONE new PvP zone in WOTLK Lake Wintergrasp will probably be another transient, loot and scoot item grind and has come too little, too late.
Endgame PvP is 4 BGs + Arenas
The lack of expansion of PvP vs PvE is alarming. All WoW is doing is upgrading items sets without adding any new PvP content. In so 4 years there are only 4 BGs and Arena as the staple end-game PvP.
Face it, WoW is not a PvP centric game and never will be. They have made PvP into a casual friendly small circuit, instanced item grindfest.
Arenas were fun when they started but the gladiatorial style of PvP in now way substitutes for true MMO PvP entirely and should not.
WoW makes you play the same 4 BG and arena 2394023948023948240398 times. The reason being they are too lazy to implement new PvP content and try to draw out their existing content by making people play the same thing a gabazillion times. This farce continues as more arena seasons roll buy with casual friendly arena gear being handed out like candy.
They have no clue how to tackle or implement good large scale PvP content or add any PvP progression other than item based, and face it WoW isn't built for it either.
Alas,
Gone are the days of massive keep battles with upwards of 10 guild sieging a castle or keep.
Gone are the days of massive standoffs at takeover points where you see a frontline of massive amounts of people defending and attacking. Goading each other and trying to find weak spots to charge.
Gone is the realm pride where you coordinated with a ton of other people from different guilds with the same objectives to takeover the enemies key points and achieved it.
Gone is the comraderie that ensues when the horde enemy is nigh and you look at your realm mates next you you as you prepare for the final stand in a small room.
Gone are the tears of joy which erupt when the battle is won versus far superior number by skill, kiting and choke point control.
Bring back the days of ole, where sword over sword and staff over staff ring a hundred man strong along the battlefield.
Where hundreds of arrows whizz overhead as archers line the parapats of the castles and keeps defending them with their bows.
Bring back the days of massive battles, keep sieges and territory control.
Bring back truely massive player versus player combat.
Fuzzylojik you have given a very accurate analysis of Blizzards (WOW) pvp.
I agree completly.
As for WARHAMMER...
Perhaps the only thing that is hard is waiting for War to finally be released.