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Why play the grindpak?
MrVicchio
Member Posts: 598
Seriously.
I was talking to my wife last night, and she's still enamored enough with WoW that she plays regularly, why bother with the grindpak?
We've all ready done this once before, it's called TBC, and frankly, it was both a nice addition, and a complete let down. It was nice that it added new content, but it also added so many different grinds that I quit caring. To the point now my account has 6 weeks left on it and I haven't logged in since June.
Why bother grinding to 80? Why bother running 10 man arthas? Get more gear that, in 18-24 months will be pointless again? To do endless arena seasons all in hopes of getting some welfare epics? More rep grinds and endless hours running instances over and over in hopes of either getting that lucky gear drop, or enough DKP to get your gear?
Bah and humbug to all that! I know, the PVP!!! Wait, this is WoW. WoW + PVP = dull, boring and pointless.
I'm seriously confounded as to why anyone would pay money to do the same things all over again, for the third time. Just because they re-skinned it, added a pretty, if pointless pvp zone? For the Lore? (HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Lore.. WoW... ROFL!)
Anyway, why bother? There are new games coming, with new objectives, new twists, new mechanics and new focus. Wouldn't months spent playing be better spent on something new, not just the same old mechanics with new skins and a few new twists?
One last thing, "Deathknight LFG!" Will be a rolling spam, and you first have to go back and burn through the old world, then through TBC just to play in the new zones.
Sounds like.. just... so... much... fun.
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Then don't play it?
Not to be pedantic or anything. But you just made an arguement against playing any and all RPGs, period.
Why ever bother leveling past level 1? Or getting any items beyond the stuff you start with? You'll just replace them with better stuff later.
Sounds to me like you're burned out-- Remember, you don't have to play MMOs, RPGs or even any games at all. Something, which once I realized or I should say remembered, that made me much happier.
Oh no! You have to actually PLAY the game you buy? What a shock! I swear if you have to actually progress whatsover in a game, people will call them a grind. Do you actually want to PLAY the game at all? How may I ask would you progress in a game? How about you plop down your $40 -$50 and you log in and stare at a character that is in the best gear you can get, at the max level. You wouldn't actually have to play anything .. sounds like a blast.
I personally don't like WoW but you people are silly. I really think you may be in the wrong genre. I am not trying to be mean but they make different type of games for a reason. RPGs are about character progression. You build characters buy doing something such as kill monsters or quest to level or get skill points to place in different skills and/or stats.
What you might be more interested in is a MMOFPS. These are instant action where you go against other players and don't build your character.
Well , its fun till you get bored/quit .
I always wonder about the people who complain about new levels with the expansions...did you get mad when you replaced gear you got in Scarlet Monestary with gear that you got in Uldaman? I mean you worked "hard" to run SM so why should you have to get more gear in Uldaman? All this angst about new levels is just retarded.
I'm not sure there was that big of a grind in TBC, got to 70 in like 2 weeks after it came out, repped out almost everything a few weeks later.
The funny thing was most of my elite naxx items were replaced within 2 weeks. So basically you can really get back to an even keel with the players who worked really hard for their items now about 2 weeks after an expansion is released.
That seemed pointless then to keep on raiding or item grinding when its all going to be replaced anyways. Unless you find the grinding fun I guess. Then again I don't know many people who find grinding on the same mobs repeatedly fun......
To me the grinding in WoW doesn't seem that bad, but the lack of new PvP content in the xpac will probably keep me away.
Like OP said I would rather play other games with new PvP objectives built in and a ton more to do in PvP. To me PvP in wow seems pointless, content lacking and boring. One more BG, arena and just one PvP zone which will probably be a loot and and scoot item grindfest probably won't be enough to get me interested.
Its too bad, WOW's pvp had a lot of promise. They just didn't add much contentwise for it.
Dear OP,
You're burnt out and cranky.
Stop being a knob.
Yours sincerely,
Flodgy
It was fun before, it will be fun again.
And THE best thing about theese expansions is the fact that all he HCs are on a level playing field with me gear wise, all over again.
True, true.
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I didn't burn out, I realized "the truth" and quit. There is a diff.
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You missed the point oh wise one.
The complaint isn't the levels.
The complaint isn't the gear.
The complaint is that... all that WoW is, when boiled down to it's essence is getting gear. There is no other point. That was fine for release. Even TBC, though I would have prefered more... hey it happens.
What pretty much ALL of you completely missed, so I guess I'll have to spell it out... slowly.
"Here is an Xpansion pac, it offers NOTHING NEW OF CONSEQUENCE but the same old grinds, and get more gear through the same tired inconsequenctial mechanics"
I figured with wAR coming down teh pipe, they might have used this xpac as a chance to make the new area MATTER, to mean something, to break the stalemate of the "cold war" between horde and alliance and give the game a new, more substantial objective. They did not. In fact, they went the other way, offered some flussy pretty pvp zone that really.. means nothing, and matter not a whit, brought in a new "Death Knight" class and basically said "Hey GRIND! YOU WANT GRIND! WE GOTS GRIND!!!!"
So it boggles the mind how low the expectations of people are, and why they would want more fo the same. It's lack of... consequence that I am pointing out, it appears that was a bit much for some.
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I didn't burn out, I realized "the truth" and quit. There is a diff.
Please tell us what that is? When you realize you're not having fun anymore, you are burned out. You can try to rationalize anyway you want, but that's the "truth".
No no they got it, it's just talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. I'm sure your wife will tell you the same thing. As a previous non wow fan said, grinding is the nature of RPG's and office jobs if you want something diffrent then perhaps you should seek out Call of Duty 4 or The Orange Box. If you're sick of games meaning nothing in the end then perhaps you should you know try life, I hear that grinding in RL ammounts to being a more successful and interesting person. As for this "truth" that you discovered, hate to burst your bubble buddey but we choose to live in wonderland knowing that truth from the start. It's the nature of all of these games and their expansion packs. If you thought for one second that because you killed kael at 70 that you would ride into WOTK on a silver cloud as angels cried golden tears for your efforts your mistekn.
MV out
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...you'll be back OP...
...yoooouuu'll beeee baaaack!!!
Or maybe not.
I burned out on WOW right before TBC was released, because I knew then that the expansion really brought just more of the same, and that I wasn't enjoying it anymore.
Happens to me on every game...at some point I've experienced enough of the content that I determine is fun and decide to quit and play a new game.
So, if its not fun anymore, its time to move on.
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I didn't burn out, I realized "the truth" and quit. There is a diff.
The truth is you just described the basic philosophy of every fantasy MMO. Adventure, conquest, get treasure, repeat. The truth is you do sound like someone suffering burnout.
Do you really expect game expansions to alter gameplay radically, especially for one that is dominating the market and many other games are trying to copy?
Yes, but you can control yourself, you can use logic and good reasoning. You know why you quit and you are not on a vengeance path fueled by impotent rage.
His pain is so fresh he feels the need to make new thread to spread the truth, I'm talking about him, blinded by rage, unable to deal with it in any other way than hating on the thing he loved.
From your words, I get you enjoyed WoW, but never was lost in it like some of the people who feel betrayed because they didn't know what they were geting into in the first place.
Even those two games have grind elements in there~ TF2 in the form of Achievements and CoD4 multi player requires you to level up to unlock weapons.
All games are basically grinding:
- single or multi player
- to unlock further difficulty levels or to grind reputation to unlock heroic levels/attunements for raids
- to unlock special weapons/equipments or to grind token/dkp for gear
- to gather resources/collect taxes or to grind for gold or mine nodes
- to unlock more stories or to beat the end game content to reveal
WoW or MMORPG in general are like other games -- they're entertainment: they're merely time sink. If you're not having fun grinding in one game, then by all means: move on to other game that makes you feel less grinding.
My friends said the same thing about EQ after I quit. 2.5 years of straight play. I logged back in once, a few weeks ago, during the legends event.
They said the same thing about AO, DAoC and several other games. Truth is, I don't go back.
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Yes, but you can control yourself, you can use logic and good reasoning. You know why you quit and you are not on a vengeance path fueled by impotent rage.
His pain is so fresh he feels the need to make new thread to spread the truth, I'm talking about him, blinded by rage, unable to deal with it in any other way than hating on the thing he loved.
From your words, I get you enjoyed WoW, but never was lost in it like some of the people who feel betrayed because they didn't know what they were geting into in the first place.
Pain? Fresh? I haven't logged in since June. It's august. I merely made this thread to aska pertinant question.
I don't HATE wow, I find the xpansion to be a meaningless addition, it doens't further the game, it merely reskins it.
Besides, I found a much more satisfying game, one that should keep me entertained and give some meaing to my gaming aside "ZOMG I got UBER EPIC PURPLE TOE RING OF DOOM!" Wait.. I lost the DKP tot he raid leader by .05 points... again!
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Which game would that be?
I suspect you will just end up back here in 1-2-3 years saying the same things about the new games expanion.
Why did you play it in the first place then? Have you learned nothing from EQ?
As for the reasons, I said it already, it's a game, it's fun. Any game has rules and if you change the rules too much it isn't the same game anymore. Blizzard knows that, so inovations they make are minute things that don't change the rules just the font they are writen in.
You can rationalise it any way you want, but in the end it all comes down to you beeing burned out and now preaching doom. I just wish you people took less time to figure out it's not the game that changed (or not changed) and therefor now sucks, it's just how you see it.
The OP didn't seem angry or in rage to me. He was stating his opinion logically as well.
The game has changed quite a bit too. The never had dailies a while ago. They added more rep grinds, and made raid sizes smaller etc.
Well, that's what I said, didn't I, they never changed how the gameplay works, they just tweaked it here and there.
It's entirely possible, if the new game fails to evolve and instead just layers more of the same on with no meaning.
Yes.
But only when we hit Xpansion #2. First expansion is always a chance to get in stuff that couldn't/wouldn't make release and to tidy up things.
Expansion Pack 2 is where a dev team is judged. Is the game enhanced, altered in a positive way or just more of the same?
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