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GLBT Guilds in WAR
jpeterson92
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I recently stumbled upon an article about WoW trying to ban a GLBT friendly (meaning not exclusive to GLBT) guild. This sparked my thoughts into the matter. Questions that might come to mind are:
1)Are GLBT "friendly" guilds needed? Do you feel a GLBT player would feel comfortable being open in a regular guild in WAR?
2)Should players bring their personal lives into WAR?
3)Blizzard said that by advertising GLBT friendliness, the guild was creating a possible situation which could result in harassment. Do you feel that Mythic should be ban GLBT friendly guilds in order to prevent discrimination against them?
*Clarification*--There seems to be some confusion as to the nature of this guild. Apparently, the guild was simply stating they welcome gay members. They were not a gay guild, per se, but simply letting possible members that if they were, let's say, a gay guy, they could mention their boyfriend in chat and not be afraid of /kick.
"Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be waiting for us in our graves - or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth." Ayn Rand
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I figure this:
1) There are all sorts of folks on this planet with us.
2) As long as they have a policy of no cyber/no sexual discussions, then the problem is solved.
I say leave real world agenda out of the game. I have no issue with GLBT as individuals but it simply does not belong in a game. I also would not accept Christian guilds, Islamic guilds, Democrat/Republican guilds, etc. It's nothing but a source of drama. Either allow them all or allow none, and since many of those groups can't be mature adults and play together nicely then they are all off-limits. IMO.
wtf is GLBT?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT
I'll make it easier than the previous tard who just posted a link which you have to copy and paste.
Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Transexual Group
1) I'm guessing GLBT stands for (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transexual).
2) Why is it WoW, or any MMORPG company's business what kind of person creates a guild on thier game. The only reason it would pose a problem is if they made a big deal out of it, or gave the guild an inappropriate name.
3) Which brings us to three, why do they feel the need to express thier sexuality so openly in the game?
(If I am wrong about what GLBT stands for i'm sorry, lol)
STOP WHINING!
The problem with this issue is most people don't understand the difference between a GLBT guild and a GLBT friendly guild.
GLBT friendly guilds are simply places that say you can't bash GLBT stuff in chat. I would love a guild chat channel where I don't have to see "fag" and "gay" and such, because its offensive to me.
its not a guild where you have to be gay or bi or transexual, just where you need to be respectful, like how most guilds don't allow racist language. its just sad that you have to specify GLBT friendly, because most people simply aren't respectful of it.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgendered
Sometimes the alphabet soup includes "i" for intersexed and "q" for questioning.
The problem with the WoW guild was they were advertising themselves in general chat as "glbt friendly" which violated the WoW Terms of Service. http://news.cnet.com/2100-1043_3-6033112.html
Having a GLBT friendly guild in WoW wasn't forbidden. The problem was in how and where it was advertised.
Would anyone be a member of a guild where they knew they weren't welcome or where they felt uncomfortable for any reason? In a perfect world, we wouldn't need to segregate ourselves into different interest groups and everyone would be tolerant and accepting of difference. Alas, that has yet to come to pass.
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#3 is so annoying. When they make such a big deal of their own sexuality, it only annoys people outside their group, thus increasing the discrimination against them....
Because copy+paste is so difficult, right? I pointed to the wiki article to show that there's a bit more history and meaning behind the term than just sexual or gender identity.
edit: nm, others have already responded.
umm i think GLBT is no different than you or I. I have no problem with it and would happily let them play. There is NO reason why they shouldn't be allowed to form? How is it any different than a guild of straight people? Those who do not allow it are shallow, prejudice against a different choice of lifestyle, and should let them be. They have the same rights, and are the same people as everyone else.
I would gladly welcome a GLBT or GLBT friendly guild, as well as members. Blizzard is retarded if they try to ban such guilds.
honestly can't people read? FRIENDLY, not a GLBT guild, a GLBT FRIENDLY guild.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
honestly can't people read? FRIENDLY, not a GLBT guild, a GLBT FRIENDLY guild.
Does the distinction matter when they are advertising specifically? Would you accept a "white nationalist friendly" guild advertising as such?
That is the same as saying, "just shut up and keep it to yourself, and everyone (else) will be happy."
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Well we live in a world where some people exile others upon beliefs, so i feel as if there should be no problem letting them have a guild,.
If your in a hardcore/ almost all guy raiding guild and one day you said you were gay, they would kick you out.
I find no reasonable explanation behind ANY company not allowing this.
Cannot really say about the first three letters, but I think the "T" stands for "Taurens".
Cannot really say about the first three letters, but I think the "T" stands for "Taurens".
G must be gnomes then...
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Keep real life IRL is my policy.
I play games to get away from real life shit, so don't try to make a real life issue part of my get-away.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
Kudos to Blizzard for giving me yet another reason to not like them. And it's absolutely ridiculous when people say "they were just doing to it decrease harassment." Maybe if they took care of the harassment in the first place, people wouldn't have to make a LGBT friendly guild as a haven for those that take offense to such degrading remarks.
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The thing is, how we treat people in virtual worlds and how we treat people in real life are related. Both tolerance and hatred go where the human race goes.
I don't suppose people remember the RP part of MMORPG. Besides how someone would choose to role play their character, they are still presenting both gender and sexuality through their avatar, even if they're only running around killing pigs in the forest.
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honestly can't people read? FRIENDLY, not a GLBT guild, a GLBT FRIENDLY guild.
Does the distinction matter when they are advertising specifically? Would you accept a "white nationalist friendly" guild advertising as such?
you're just being obnoxious now. the entire point is a GLBT friendly guild is a way to escape homophobic people and their language, its the same as a guild that doesn't allowed racist or sexist language.
it means you don't get to bash a group of people, the only reason they have to make such a big deal about it is because sadly being homophobic is acceptable in many places, so you have to specify in game.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
so by this logic....
there should be no all women / men guilds to avoid sexual harrassment
no same color guilds to avoid racial descrimination...
etc...
In SWG one of the best guilds on our server was the PEARL guild...a guild which was comprised entirely of females for the RP of and environment. They were entertainers and warriors. I guess they should have been banned as well.
They should not allow any of this crap like mentioned previously. I don't want people trying to make a real life statement while I'm trying to have a good time. If you are GLBT and want to know if the guild is mature enough to not say gay/fag/whatever...then ask the guild leader, but don't advertise that you are a haven for real life issues. I am a strong Conservative Christian...and I don't want to bring that into my game. I want to be a blood thirsty Disciple of Khaine or a slightly insane Bright Wizard. I really hope Mythic doesn't allow these sorts of guilds...but also monitors the offensive and racist comments. If you don't like the way someone runs a guild.../gquit
plain and simple.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
honestly can't people read? FRIENDLY, not a GLBT guild, a GLBT FRIENDLY guild.
Does the distinction matter when they are advertising specifically? Would you accept a "white nationalist friendly" guild advertising as such?
you're just being obnoxious now. the entire point is a GLBT friendly guild is a way to escape homophobic people and their language, its the same as a guild that doesn't allowed racist or sexist language.
it means you don't get to bash a group of people, the only reason they have to make such a big deal about it is because sadly being homophobic is acceptable in many places, so you have to specify in game.
How am I being obnoxious? Ethnicity is a protected classification, just like sexual orientation and gender. If 'GLBT-friendly' is allowable, then every other '[status]-friendly' guild should be allowed to advertise. This would include race, political opinion, religion, etc.
I am sympathetic to the players' intent, but not their methods.