Healers dont heal.. bah its true for all MMO's ... WAR is not and wont be any different.
No offense to you, coffee, but that's the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while.
I played a cleric in EQ1, and if you didn't heal you were utterly useless to anyone. You did practically zero damage even under ideal circumstances.
I also played a healer in WoW (gods help me...). I had a resto druid and a holy / disc priest. And again, if you weren't healing, you were of practically no use to anyone.
I dunno what MMOs you've been playing, but all of them have healers (or at least healing specs) that aren't good at anything EXCEPT healing.
In fact, WAR is the only MMO that IS actually different with almost all healer classes (save maybe the Runepriest and Zealot).
AGE OF CONAN healers soloing every thing
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Do even half of you guys understand how healers work in this game? I've been playign a warrior priest. For straight up healing you need righteous fury. We have 3 heals at 10. ! is morale heal for abuot 550. 1minute cooldown. The other two heals are HoTs. They heal slowly, and for not that much. 400 over 15seconds and an instant 100+250 over 9 seconds. They take 30 and 60 RF points. We have a totalt of 250.
You know how fast I can drain my RF just by throwing out heals in RVR? You guys also know to build RF back up we need to go melee cause our skills generate RF? Also the fact we have a couple skills that heal our defensive target when we hit an enemy?
Seriously make a healer class or two and figure out how they work. It's not your trypical stay int he back and spam press your heal button. You have to be far more active and are required to micromanage combat, healing and targeting like crazy.
We are healing, we can't just stand there and spam heals like wow healers can.
I think we're all taking that in consideration. Ya healers need to build up pools or waaagh to be more effective. I think what the OP is talking about is just healers flat out not healing.. period.
Personally I dont expect them to unless Im grouped with them. I dont expect joe shmo healer to be running around healing people outside of his group or focusing on everyone in RvR whos taking damage. However, if im grouped with a healer or two Id expect to see at least one or two heals go off in my direction :P
I will say there are several healer careers that shouldnt be looked upon as a main healer or heal bot. Warrior Priests and Disciples of Kain are two prime examples.
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Do even half of you guys understand how healers work in this game? I've been playign a warrior priest. For straight up healing you need righteous fury. We have 3 heals at 10. ! is morale heal for abuot 550. 1minute cooldown. The other two heals are HoTs. They heal slowly, and for not that much. 400 over 15seconds and an instant 100+250 over 9 seconds. They take 30 and 60 RF points. We have a totalt of 250.
You know how fast I can drain my RF just by throwing out heals in RVR? You guys also know to build RF back up we need to go melee cause our skills generate RF? Also the fact we have a couple skills that heal our defensive target when we hit an enemy?
Seriously make a healer class or two and figure out how they work. It's not your trypical stay int he back and spam press your heal button. You have to be far more active and are required to micromanage combat, healing and targeting like crazy.
We are healing, we can't just stand there and spam heals like wow healers can.
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So i play a glass cannon, and have for several months now. One of the constants that I have ran into in scenarios and most open-world RvR events is that most healers simply do not heal. I do not understand why this is really. Warrior Priests (being insanely OP'd right now) seem to just jump into a crowd of 5-6 destro's and tear the place apart. DoKs are far more inclined to dish out pain than throw a heal to a Sorc standing right next to them.
Do these healers not realize they easily land #1 in PQs if you team with a DPS (especially a Sorc or BW with max darkmagic) and healhealheal? Do these healers not realize they get renown and XP in scenarios for healing?
I constantly see myself getting attacked, running back in front of a healer, and instead of healing....he attacks the guy who is pummeling me or simply ignored me. This often leads to death. I understand that healers are meant to do some damage as well, but PLEASE GOD for your own benefit and ours do your freakin job. Heal damn it, heal!
I run with a guild group, and occasionally attempt to heal folks outside the group... but most people jump around like fish out of water making it rather tough to attempt to save them.
Not only that... but about the 20th or 30th person who's ass I did manage to save who never said thanks... did start to get old. So I mainly stick with just healing my group.
It just depends. Right now in preview weekend i've found a couple things different than in closed beta. 1) Healers don't heal anywhere near as much. I think a huge part of it is the shadow priest wowtards coming in. Or people are just not used to having a combat and friendly target and actively healing. When I am a healer I pick a friend before the fight, usually a Sorc or Bright Wizard, and I fight and keep them alive longer than me every time. Over time people will realize this. The biggest problem is on the destruction side. 2) Destruction side on the two servers I played doesn't give a crap about objectives. They just Zerg. I held off a group of 5 Order players at Lost Lagoon for over 10 minutes, shouting, regioning, and asking in my Warband of 22 for backup and no one came at all. They just kept Zerging. A small group of Order took all objectives in the RvR zone and our Zerg had theirs pushed back to their outpost. They just didn't give a crap. It wasn't like this at the other two RvR zones though so thank god for that. These things make me glad that I am going to be going Order primarily. I will have a couple of Destruction alts, but right now it seems like the people going Destruction aren't team players. Still this will change over time. No one likes to lose forever, and people will realize quickly that this isn't a game like WoW where you can run off solo and get things done. Without teamwork you fail in this game, and that is what I love about it. You just have to find a good team.
Hehe...ya the healers dont heal much. Also alot of order players (guildie and friends that I know of) will go to destruction at launch. We played order just so we get the power and feel of the how order plays and wont get bored / burned out when the game launch with the same of stuff again
Do even half of you guys understand how healers work in this game? I've been playign a warrior priest. For straight up healing you need righteous fury. We have 3 heals at 10. ! is morale heal for abuot 550. 1minute cooldown. The other two heals are HoTs. They heal slowly, and for not that much. 400 over 15seconds and an instant 100+250 over 9 seconds. They take 30 and 60 RF points. We have a totalt of 250.
You know how fast I can drain my RF just by throwing out heals in RVR? You guys also know to build RF back up we need to go melee cause our skills generate RF? Also the fact we have a couple skills that heal our defensive target when we hit an enemy?
Seriously make a healer class or two and figure out how they work. It's not your trypical stay int he back and spam press your heal button. You have to be far more active and are required to micromanage combat, healing and targeting like crazy.
We are healing, we can't just stand there and spam heals like wow healers can.
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Played a priest in WoW, just by the description of this class, WP is nothing like a priest in WoW who spams heals. Get your facts straight about the other classes before you go complaining.
I know I keep asking to be healed and they just ignore you and hope you die because they get no reward for healing.
In fact they do, there is a amount of healed in scenarios and there are amount of heals affects the points in PQ too. Thats why most of the solo healers never got anything from PQ. If I am healer I will rather heal (for more points) than doing some minor damages and get less points.
I know I keep asking to be healed and they just ignore you and hope you die because they get no reward for healing.
Might the problem be that you forgot to add them to your group?
I play healers all the time, and tend to help those who include me in their activities. Leave me outside, and I'll let you drop like a rock.
Expecting healers to help you, when there's nothing you're willing (or perhaps able) to do to assist them, (like taking on that damn tank thats beating on their head) doesn't endear you to the healing community.
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I'm playing a zealot this time around and to be honest...healing players are a pain in the butt. Don't get me wrong, I've been having a blast playing a healer but alot of people just get mad cause they think they should be #1 priority. however, I do think healers that aren't focused mainly on healing are just a waste of a party slot.
edit: if you think your healers suck do yourself a favor and make a healer next time around and see if you can do a better job.
The problem is most people treat us healers like garbage. They scream HEALS HEALS like we're some kind of retarded bot. We know when to heal, but if you're not in my group and yelling at me like an jackass I'm going to let you die.
If you want heals you have to show respect and help out too. Far too often do you get DPS classes that want to run in and have all the fun getting kill numbers while they expect others to sit in the back and heal them.
Here's an example. If its me (healers) and an ally tank trying to take a point. We see 2 enemies heading for us. I expect the tank to run in while I heal him. On the other hand, if someone stupid kid wants to run into the front lines by himself against 6 enemies I'm not going to follow and heal him. And my biggest pet peeve is when they abandon you. If something agros and starts wailing on me, I expect the tank to come grab agro, that's your job. If the tanks tank propery and the DPS classes don't decide to be 1 man shows i'm happy to stop DPSing and heal.
Do even half of you guys understand how healers work in this game? I've been playign a warrior priest. For straight up healing you need righteous fury. We have 3 heals at 10. ! is morale heal for abuot 550. 1minute cooldown. The other two heals are HoTs. They heal slowly, and for not that much. 400 over 15seconds and an instant 100+250 over 9 seconds. They take 30 and 60 RF points. We have a totalt of 250.
You know how fast I can drain my RF just by throwing out heals in RVR? You guys also know to build RF back up we need to go melee cause our skills generate RF? Also the fact we have a couple skills that heal our defensive target when we hit an enemy?
Seriously make a healer class or two and figure out how they work. It's not your trypical stay int he back and spam press your heal button. You have to be far more active and are required to micromanage combat, healing and targeting like crazy.
We are healing, we can't just stand there and spam heals like wow healers can.
Quoted for being 'most insightful and accurate post of the whole thread'.
Bump.
Played a priest in WoW, just by the description of this class, WP is nothing like a priest in WoW who spams heals. Get your facts straight about the other classes before you go complaining.
Sigh did you even read the last sentence of the OP? I know how DoKs and WPs heal mechanics work, the simple fact is most simply do not heal. Even in a group, even standing right next to him, waiting 10-15 seconds for a heal as they continue to attack and heal NO ONE. This is not the minority in my experience, it is sadly the majority. I don't know if it's because it's beta, or if it's becuase they think they get more XP/renown/influence, or simply them trying to play outside their role.
Also, it's not just WP/DoKs.....
Don't take this completely as bitching, it's just expressing what I have seen for the past few months in any PUGs.
Originally posted by Pyrostasis Originally posted by Monorojo So i play a glass cannon, and have for several months now. One of the constants that I have ran into in scenarios and most open-world RvR events is that most healers simply do not heal. I do not understand why this is really. Warrior Priests (being insanely OP'd right now) seem to just jump into a crowd of 5-6 destro's and tear the place apart. DoKs are far more inclined to dish out pain than throw a heal to a Sorc standing right next to them.
Do these healers not realize they easily land #1 in PQs if you team with a DPS (especially a Sorc or BW with max darkmagic) and healhealheal? Do these healers not realize they get renown and XP in scenarios for healing?
I constantly see myself getting attacked, running back in front of a healer, and instead of healing....he attacks the guy who is pummeling me or simply ignored me. This often leads to death. I understand that healers are meant to do some damage as well, but PLEASE GOD for your own benefit and ours do your freakin job. Heal damn it, heal!
I run with a guild group, and occasionally attempt to heal folks outside the group... but most people jump around like fish out of water making it rather tough to attempt to save them. Not only that... but about the 20th or 30th person who's ass I did manage to save who never said thanks... did start to get old. So I mainly stick with just healing my group. You have a guild? In beta?
The next is not against you: Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another? mmh, maybe. For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word. You can always use it, and people won´t realise the insult. It is like "If you really hate a fat guy, give him something to eat. He even thinks, that he is your friend."
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
There are a huge amount of guilds in beta, and a good amount outside beta with sites and easily 50+ members. Most good guilds start recruiting far before release to get a dedicated group of players before release. They tend to be the more organized and ready to take on the virtual world.
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
There are a huge amount of guilds in beta, and a good amount outside beta with sites and easily 50+ members. Most good guilds start recruiting far before release to get a dedicated group of players before release. They tend to be the more organized and ready to take on the virtual world.
don't forget about the "professional" guilds. The ones that already have a large player base and are involved in many games i.e. PRX, WNX, KAOS etc...
Do even half of you guys understand how healers work in this game? I've been playign a warrior priest. For straight up healing you need righteous fury. We have 3 heals at 10. ! is morale heal for abuot 550. 1minute cooldown. The other two heals are HoTs. They heal slowly, and for not that much. 400 over 15seconds and an instant 100+250 over 9 seconds. They take 30 and 60 RF points. We have a totalt of 250.
You know how fast I can drain my RF just by throwing out heals in RVR? You guys also know to build RF back up we need to go melee cause our skills generate RF? Also the fact we have a couple skills that heal our defensive target when we hit an enemy?
Seriously make a healer class or two and figure out how they work. It's not your trypical stay int he back and spam press your heal button. You have to be far more active and are required to micromanage combat, healing and targeting like crazy.
We are healing, we can't just stand there and spam heals like wow healers can.
Quoted for being 'most insightful and accurate post of the whole thread'.
Bump.
Played a priest in WoW, just by the description of this class, WP is nothing like a priest in WoW who spams heals. Get your facts straight about the other classes before you go complaining.
Sigh did you even read the last sentence of the OP? I know how DoKs and WPs heal mechanics work, the simple fact is most simply do not heal. Even in a group, even standing right next to him, waiting 10-15 seconds for a heal as they continue to attack and heal NO ONE. This is not the minority in my experience, it is sadly the majority. I don't know if it's because it's beta, or if it's becuase they think they get more XP/renown/influence, or simply them trying to play outside their role.
Also, it's not just WP/DoKs.....
Don't take this completely as bitching, it's just expressing what I have seen for the past few months in any PUGs.
Oh I did.
How do you know that he isnt healing someone? Are you watching him 24/7 during PvP? You do realize that there are, first of all, other people around you when the RVR is happening, so he could be tossing out a heal when youre concentrating on your next target, and you dont even know about it. Isnt WAR made for large scale battles? Perhaps hes grouped up with other people. Seriously, if youre so pissed off about not getting your healing, play one yourself. Its not easy playing a healer class. And remember, their role is to DPS to build up, and then use those points. If anything, they could be using it on themselves as well.
You didnt specify if they were in groups with you. If they were in a group with you and they still arent healing you, well, then thats a totally different story.
heh, this post caught my eye after the past few days from when I play my healer. Back in the CB, had no problems playing my healer and coming out on top whether it be RVR, PVE, or a Scenario. I see a lot of people in the last rush of players who truly do NOT know how to play a healer, and I am with the OP in that regard. I ALMOST say a majority of the people do not know what they are doing with them (The newer people, not the vets who have gotten in to the groove of them)
Edit: This post got a little longer than I expected, and I am NOT pointing fingers at the OP, nor =anyone else! Just some thoughts. Sorry it got so long! I hate pointless verbosity. hope I made enough points!
Now, THAT said please do not take offense OP or others who jump on the bandwagon. As I stated, I do agree with you of late. A few things to consider.
1, some of the people ARE new to the class and have to get a feel for it. The people jumping into Scenarios too quickly and them being over so fast are not getting a feel for how to play the healing classes of WAR (More specifically RVR) as it is a bit different than the way they are played in PVE. So I will give them SOME slack for being new and learning.
2, a lot of people who play healers gravitate to tanks, and melee classes as who they heal. In PAST MMO experiences it has been pointless to concentrate heals on anything but "YOUR" tank in a lot of instances. People have to break that mold. This game helps a lot and people have to learn it. This is not <Insert past MMO> where people are constantly 1-2 shotted if they are not in plate armor. Keep your OTHER group mates alive also and you will prosper.
3, it is more often the trend of people such as the OP (Not pointing a finger at YOU, saying people like you) who do not get heals when they want them, or expect they should get them to start yelling at the healers, or swear at healers, or the ever dependable "Why don't any of the F%&ing healers heal" Erm, that happened to me this past... yesterday! Look at my stats, and you see ALL I have done is heal. It has not been you, because there are 11 OTHER people in the scenario (As example) who need a heal also, and I am the ONE healer. The first time you say to me as a healer "Give me a F%$#ing heal" will be the last time I heal you. Do not talk to me that way. I have done nothing BUT heal and guess what, I am that ONE player in the match who gets higher rating than you. Or the ONE player in that PQ who has been rated higher than you. Just because YOU did not get a heal when YOU wanted one is not MY problem. If you do not like being so fragile, go roll an armor wearing class instead of a robe wearer. If you do not like that *I* am the only healer in the match, go roll a healer. I healed 11 people OTHER than myself. I will more often focus so much on keeping my group alive that I die myself because...
4, As a healer, everyone wants a heal. Those SAME people are busy DPSing whatever target they want to and not noticing that there are two guys beating on ME because they know I am keeping the rest of the group alive. So everyone starts yelling they want a heal, meanwhile I am dumping as mush HPS out as I can but am not seeing a most people run to me to keep ME alive. Not gonna say "No one does it" coz that would make me a hypocrit, and I do not believe that way. There ARE some people who try to keep the healer alive, just like the healer tries to keep others alive while those others do nothing but try to keep the enemy dead and feel that coz they did not roll a healer it is not their job to keep anyone alive. Guess what? If you want to be kept alive, keep the healer alive! And that brings us to
5, Again, along with the person who swears at me to heal THEM because they are so important (Guess what, I am playing with friends and family, you are NOT that important to me unless you become my friend also) there is the person who thinks the BEST way to get a heal when they are being attacked is to run and jump in front of the healer. WRONG! As stated, it is not that I am not healing people, I am dumping my life blood into everyone elses survivability. I have not gotten to YOU yet because you are number 5 in the list of 11 I am healing right now. When you run back to me and jump around thinking that is gonna get you a heal, guess what, as soon as you die, the guy that was beating on you needs a new target. That means... ME! So what do I as a healer see? Someone who got into a fight they could not handle, and brings the guy straight to me next. You die, and they turn to beat on ME! Not because I was not doing my job as a healer, but because I did not make YOU my priority. Now how do I remember this situation? Not as someone who needed a heal. Some idiot who does not know the LAST thing you do is drag aggro over a healer. That is not ME not knowing how to play. That is YOU not knowing how to play.
6. So last thing to consider (dinner is ready, and then I am going back to play WAR. Had a few moments and this post caught my eye) if you want a healer, make a friend. If you don't make friends or need a random healer, simply ask for a heal. TALK to a healer and let them know you have a plan that will work! If you yell or swear at a healer, or tell them how much they suck just because you bit off more than you could chew they won't heal you in future. Healers have a LONG memory. they have to, to know who is next on list of people to heal. Another good way to make a healer your friend, when Asshat over here drags someone over the healer and leaves them for dead, do something to keep the HEALER alive, and I PROMISE you the healer will remember that and turn to keep YOU alive... if the healer does not fit into that original classification of people who do not know how to play.
Since I have posted a big defense of the healers, I will end by stating ANOTHER thing that happened to me yesterday. When I moved over to playing a class other than healer (A different play session a couple hours later) I was engaged in some open RVR. Taking some flags. I was out peeling away guards, and a runepriest had shown up, at a capture point and got down to the last guard, the Hero. I was mid fight against him and another mob spawns. It is right on the priest and I know without the priest I am gonna die. I can make short work of the lesser mob and resume tearing into the Hero right? I do. Get down to the end, last 3 seconds of the Hero's life, I die. Would not have happened if I had not peeled the mob off of the priest, but I knew that going into it and figured I had a priest there, so no big deal. I bit off more than I could chew, and I died. That was not the healers fault. However, then the healer started to run off and go join some battle that was waging in the distance. I ask the healer for a rez... no rez, no response. Healer was still in sight, battle ended... no rez, no response. Being that I play a healer also, I know well who can and can not rez. Another healer nearby running past, shoot them a tell. No Rez. No response. THESE are the healers that should go to hell. Not fighting, not busy, just incompetent. At the very least respond "No, sorry. Thanks for pulling that mob off of me, now I am not gonna Rez you" Thanks for the response?
Originally posted by synn Originally posted by Monorojo Originally posted by Herodes
You have a guild? In beta?
The next is not against you: Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another? mmh, maybe. For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
There are a huge amount of guilds in beta, and a good amount outside beta with sites and easily 50+ members. Most good guilds start recruiting far before release to get a dedicated group of players before release. They tend to be the more organized and ready to take on the virtual world.
don't forget about the "professional" guilds. The ones that already have a large player base and are involved in many games i.e. PRX, WNX, KAOS etc...
I was about to say "lol", but it would not be fair. I should think about the point, why people look for a general virtual home. But before I say, they must be lepers, I better say *lol*
I don't play WAR but I do normally play healers in other games.
I must say that with healing it's a 2 way street.
If someones specced for healing and is actually healing the group then you dps / tanking people need to realise that part of your job is to protect the healer from the enemy.
Too many times people expect heals and give nothing in return, you spend an entire match healing the group and then when a 7 foot dps specced orc runs up and starts pummeling the healer what do these people do? Absolutely nothing!
Do they help by killing / cc'ing the offending enemy who dares to mess with their life giving healer, no they just run off and do their own thing and then complain about "not getting healed".
Assuming that things don't drastically change at higher levels, then healing WILL become more frequent at higher levels as things get more serious. It's just TOO powerful not to be used, I can see organized groups using stacking up on certain abilities and combinations in order to gain a considerable advantage over their opponents in the scenarios.
- And no, you don't have to heal only because you rolled what you consider to be a healing class. The fact that they can DPS proves you very wrong, now doesn't it? As for WP's they're not that great, bright wizards however can dominate a battlefield, especially when paired up with other bright wizards.
There are some people (including myself) that got pissed off enough to roll up a runie after being grouped with 3 and not recieving one heal... problem I was thinking is they get so caught up trying to do their shit DDs they forget their main purpose in the group... at that point imho you deserve to lose. Once the game is live and you can keep up with guilds and friends and not worry about the char wipe you can recruit some great healers. Edit - Also for new healers, go to the options on the dispaly and turn on health bars above names. Also in scenarios it helps a TON to turn on the raid group window and use that instead for everyone in the BG. It's so much more effective than focusing on your group alone. The health bars over names is great for the spur of the moment skirmishes where you can visually see the fight infront of you and choose who needs healing mainly. There are a lot of tricks, the game is still new and i'm hoping people will learn with time. WoW just ruined the group mindset for most people that had it as their first MMO.
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No offense to you, coffee, but that's the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while.
I played a cleric in EQ1, and if you didn't heal you were utterly useless to anyone. You did practically zero damage even under ideal circumstances.
I also played a healer in WoW (gods help me...). I had a resto druid and a holy / disc priest. And again, if you weren't healing, you were of practically no use to anyone.
I dunno what MMOs you've been playing, but all of them have healers (or at least healing specs) that aren't good at anything EXCEPT healing.
In fact, WAR is the only MMO that IS actually different with almost all healer classes (save maybe the Runepriest and Zealot).
AGE OF CONAN healers soloing every thing
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I think we're all taking that in consideration. Ya healers need to build up pools or waaagh to be more effective. I think what the OP is talking about is just healers flat out not healing.. period.
Personally I dont expect them to unless Im grouped with them. I dont expect joe shmo healer to be running around healing people outside of his group or focusing on everyone in RvR whos taking damage. However, if im grouped with a healer or two Id expect to see at least one or two heals go off in my direction :P
I will say there are several healer careers that shouldnt be looked upon as a main healer or heal bot. Warrior Priests and Disciples of Kain are two prime examples.
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Depends on how well the healer is played
I know I keep asking to be healed and they just ignore you and hope you die because they get no reward for healing.
I run with a guild group, and occasionally attempt to heal folks outside the group... but most people jump around like fish out of water making it rather tough to attempt to save them.
Not only that... but about the 20th or 30th person who's ass I did manage to save who never said thanks... did start to get old. So I mainly stick with just healing my group.
Hehe...ya the healers dont heal much. Also alot of order players (guildie and friends that I know of) will go to destruction at launch. We played order just so we get the power and feel of the how order plays and wont get bored / burned out when the game launch with the same of stuff again
Quoted for being 'most insightful and accurate post of the whole thread'.
Bump.
Played a priest in WoW, just by the description of this class, WP is nothing like a priest in WoW who spams heals. Get your facts straight about the other classes before you go complaining.
In fact they do, there is a amount of healed in scenarios and there are amount of heals affects the points in PQ too. Thats why most of the solo healers never got anything from PQ. If I am healer I will rather heal (for more points) than doing some minor damages and get less points.
Might the problem be that you forgot to add them to your group?
I play healers all the time, and tend to help those who include me in their activities. Leave me outside, and I'll let you drop like a rock.
Expecting healers to help you, when there's nothing you're willing (or perhaps able) to do to assist them, (like taking on that damn tank thats beating on their head) doesn't endear you to the healing community.
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I found this in RvR too. I had to ask for a heal but even then I wasnt getting one. Kinda irritating.
I'm playing a zealot this time around and to be honest...healing players are a pain in the butt. Don't get me wrong, I've been having a blast playing a healer but alot of people just get mad cause they think they should be #1 priority. however, I do think healers that aren't focused mainly on healing are just a waste of a party slot.
edit: if you think your healers suck do yourself a favor and make a healer next time around and see if you can do a better job.
The problem is most people treat us healers like garbage. They scream HEALS HEALS like we're some kind of retarded bot. We know when to heal, but if you're not in my group and yelling at me like an jackass I'm going to let you die.
If you want heals you have to show respect and help out too. Far too often do you get DPS classes that want to run in and have all the fun getting kill numbers while they expect others to sit in the back and heal them.
Here's an example. If its me (healers) and an ally tank trying to take a point. We see 2 enemies heading for us. I expect the tank to run in while I heal him. On the other hand, if someone stupid kid wants to run into the front lines by himself against 6 enemies I'm not going to follow and heal him. And my biggest pet peeve is when they abandon you. If something agros and starts wailing on me, I expect the tank to come grab agro, that's your job. If the tanks tank propery and the DPS classes don't decide to be 1 man shows i'm happy to stop DPSing and heal.
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Quoted for being 'most insightful and accurate post of the whole thread'.
Bump.
Played a priest in WoW, just by the description of this class, WP is nothing like a priest in WoW who spams heals. Get your facts straight about the other classes before you go complaining.
Sigh did you even read the last sentence of the OP? I know how DoKs and WPs heal mechanics work, the simple fact is most simply do not heal. Even in a group, even standing right next to him, waiting 10-15 seconds for a heal as they continue to attack and heal NO ONE. This is not the minority in my experience, it is sadly the majority. I don't know if it's because it's beta, or if it's becuase they think they get more XP/renown/influence, or simply them trying to play outside their role.
Also, it's not just WP/DoKs.....
Don't take this completely as bitching, it's just expressing what I have seen for the past few months in any PUGs.
Not only that... but about the 20th or 30th person who's ass I did manage to save who never said thanks... did start to get old. So I mainly stick with just healing my group.
You have a guild? In beta?
The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
You can always use it, and people won´t realise the insult. It is like "If you really hate a fat guy, give him something to eat. He even thinks, that he is your friend."
Don't expect classes who aren't rune priests or zealots to heal.
why people get upset about the healers? it happens all the time.
Not Everybody IS a TEAM Player
I remember one time I was playing a paladin in WoW. I was waiting for a BG to start and some idiot was very rude because I didnt buffed him.
If he asked nicely, I would. But I do not play with morons that doesn't have manners.
You have a guild? In beta?
The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
There are a huge amount of guilds in beta, and a good amount outside beta with sites and easily 50+ members. Most good guilds start recruiting far before release to get a dedicated group of players before release. They tend to be the more organized and ready to take on the virtual world.
You have a guild? In beta?
The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
There are a huge amount of guilds in beta, and a good amount outside beta with sites and easily 50+ members. Most good guilds start recruiting far before release to get a dedicated group of players before release. They tend to be the more organized and ready to take on the virtual world.
don't forget about the "professional" guilds. The ones that already have a large player base and are involved in many games i.e. PRX, WNX, KAOS etc...
Quoted for being 'most insightful and accurate post of the whole thread'.
Bump.
Played a priest in WoW, just by the description of this class, WP is nothing like a priest in WoW who spams heals. Get your facts straight about the other classes before you go complaining.
Sigh did you even read the last sentence of the OP? I know how DoKs and WPs heal mechanics work, the simple fact is most simply do not heal. Even in a group, even standing right next to him, waiting 10-15 seconds for a heal as they continue to attack and heal NO ONE. This is not the minority in my experience, it is sadly the majority. I don't know if it's because it's beta, or if it's becuase they think they get more XP/renown/influence, or simply them trying to play outside their role.
Also, it's not just WP/DoKs.....
Don't take this completely as bitching, it's just expressing what I have seen for the past few months in any PUGs.
Oh I did.
How do you know that he isnt healing someone? Are you watching him 24/7 during PvP? You do realize that there are, first of all, other people around you when the RVR is happening, so he could be tossing out a heal when youre concentrating on your next target, and you dont even know about it. Isnt WAR made for large scale battles? Perhaps hes grouped up with other people. Seriously, if youre so pissed off about not getting your healing, play one yourself. Its not easy playing a healer class. And remember, their role is to DPS to build up, and then use those points. If anything, they could be using it on themselves as well.
You didnt specify if they were in groups with you. If they were in a group with you and they still arent healing you, well, then thats a totally different story.
heh, this post caught my eye after the past few days from when I play my healer. Back in the CB, had no problems playing my healer and coming out on top whether it be RVR, PVE, or a Scenario. I see a lot of people in the last rush of players who truly do NOT know how to play a healer, and I am with the OP in that regard. I ALMOST say a majority of the people do not know what they are doing with them (The newer people, not the vets who have gotten in to the groove of them)
Edit: This post got a little longer than I expected, and I am NOT pointing fingers at the OP, nor =anyone else! Just some thoughts. Sorry it got so long! I hate pointless verbosity. hope I made enough points!
Now, THAT said please do not take offense OP or others who jump on the bandwagon. As I stated, I do agree with you of late. A few things to consider.
1, some of the people ARE new to the class and have to get a feel for it. The people jumping into Scenarios too quickly and them being over so fast are not getting a feel for how to play the healing classes of WAR (More specifically RVR) as it is a bit different than the way they are played in PVE. So I will give them SOME slack for being new and learning.
2, a lot of people who play healers gravitate to tanks, and melee classes as who they heal. In PAST MMO experiences it has been pointless to concentrate heals on anything but "YOUR" tank in a lot of instances. People have to break that mold. This game helps a lot and people have to learn it. This is not <Insert past MMO> where people are constantly 1-2 shotted if they are not in plate armor. Keep your OTHER group mates alive also and you will prosper.
3, it is more often the trend of people such as the OP (Not pointing a finger at YOU, saying people like you) who do not get heals when they want them, or expect they should get them to start yelling at the healers, or swear at healers, or the ever dependable "Why don't any of the F%&ing healers heal" Erm, that happened to me this past... yesterday! Look at my stats, and you see ALL I have done is heal. It has not been you, because there are 11 OTHER people in the scenario (As example) who need a heal also, and I am the ONE healer. The first time you say to me as a healer "Give me a F%$#ing heal" will be the last time I heal you. Do not talk to me that way. I have done nothing BUT heal and guess what, I am that ONE player in the match who gets higher rating than you. Or the ONE player in that PQ who has been rated higher than you. Just because YOU did not get a heal when YOU wanted one is not MY problem. If you do not like being so fragile, go roll an armor wearing class instead of a robe wearer. If you do not like that *I* am the only healer in the match, go roll a healer. I healed 11 people OTHER than myself. I will more often focus so much on keeping my group alive that I die myself because...
4, As a healer, everyone wants a heal. Those SAME people are busy DPSing whatever target they want to and not noticing that there are two guys beating on ME because they know I am keeping the rest of the group alive. So everyone starts yelling they want a heal, meanwhile I am dumping as mush HPS out as I can but am not seeing a most people run to me to keep ME alive. Not gonna say "No one does it" coz that would make me a hypocrit, and I do not believe that way. There ARE some people who try to keep the healer alive, just like the healer tries to keep others alive while those others do nothing but try to keep the enemy dead and feel that coz they did not roll a healer it is not their job to keep anyone alive. Guess what? If you want to be kept alive, keep the healer alive! And that brings us to
5, Again, along with the person who swears at me to heal THEM because they are so important (Guess what, I am playing with friends and family, you are NOT that important to me unless you become my friend also) there is the person who thinks the BEST way to get a heal when they are being attacked is to run and jump in front of the healer. WRONG! As stated, it is not that I am not healing people, I am dumping my life blood into everyone elses survivability. I have not gotten to YOU yet because you are number 5 in the list of 11 I am healing right now. When you run back to me and jump around thinking that is gonna get you a heal, guess what, as soon as you die, the guy that was beating on you needs a new target. That means... ME! So what do I as a healer see? Someone who got into a fight they could not handle, and brings the guy straight to me next. You die, and they turn to beat on ME! Not because I was not doing my job as a healer, but because I did not make YOU my priority. Now how do I remember this situation? Not as someone who needed a heal. Some idiot who does not know the LAST thing you do is drag aggro over a healer. That is not ME not knowing how to play. That is YOU not knowing how to play.
6. So last thing to consider (dinner is ready, and then I am going back to play WAR. Had a few moments and this post caught my eye) if you want a healer, make a friend. If you don't make friends or need a random healer, simply ask for a heal. TALK to a healer and let them know you have a plan that will work! If you yell or swear at a healer, or tell them how much they suck just because you bit off more than you could chew they won't heal you in future. Healers have a LONG memory. they have to, to know who is next on list of people to heal.
Another good way to make a healer your friend, when Asshat over here drags someone over the healer and leaves them for dead, do something to keep the HEALER alive, and I PROMISE you the healer will remember that and turn to keep YOU alive... if the healer does not fit into that original classification of people who do not know how to play.
Since I have posted a big defense of the healers, I will end by stating ANOTHER thing that happened to me yesterday. When I moved over to playing a class other than healer (A different play session a couple hours later) I was engaged in some open RVR. Taking some flags. I was out peeling away guards, and a runepriest had shown up, at a capture point and got down to the last guard, the Hero. I was mid fight against him and another mob spawns. It is right on the priest and I know without the priest I am gonna die. I can make short work of the lesser mob and resume tearing into the Hero right? I do. Get down to the end, last 3 seconds of the Hero's life, I die. Would not have happened if I had not peeled the mob off of the priest, but I knew that going into it and figured I had a priest there, so no big deal. I bit off more than I could chew, and I died. That was not the healers fault. However, then the healer started to run off and go join some battle that was waging in the distance. I ask the healer for a rez... no rez, no response. Healer was still in sight, battle ended... no rez, no response. Being that I play a healer also, I know well who can and can not rez. Another healer nearby running past, shoot them a tell. No Rez. No response. THESE are the healers that should go to hell. Not fighting, not busy, just incompetent. At the very least respond "No, sorry. Thanks for pulling that mob off of me, now I am not gonna Rez you" Thanks for the response?
You have a guild? In beta?
The next is not against you:
Are we that far? People take the virtual friendships into release or even from one game to another?
mmh, maybe.
For me it is just "new game = new people, new guild, new enemies". But if there are some people, who see it a bit more... "hardcore" is a nice word.
There are a huge amount of guilds in beta, and a good amount outside beta with sites and easily 50+ members. Most good guilds start recruiting far before release to get a dedicated group of players before release. They tend to be the more organized and ready to take on the virtual world.
don't forget about the "professional" guilds. The ones that already have a large player base and are involved in many games i.e. PRX, WNX, KAOS etc...
I was about to say "lol", but it would not be fair.
I should think about the point, why people look for a general virtual home.
But before I say, they must be lepers, I better say *lol*
I don't play WAR but I do normally play healers in other games.
I must say that with healing it's a 2 way street.
If someones specced for healing and is actually healing the group then you dps / tanking people need to realise that part of your job is to protect the healer from the enemy.
Too many times people expect heals and give nothing in return, you spend an entire match healing the group and then when a 7 foot dps specced orc runs up and starts pummeling the healer what do these people do? Absolutely nothing!
Do they help by killing / cc'ing the offending enemy who dares to mess with their life giving healer, no they just run off and do their own thing and then complain about "not getting healed".
Assuming that things don't drastically change at higher levels, then healing WILL become more frequent at higher levels as things get more serious. It's just TOO powerful not to be used, I can see organized groups using stacking up on certain abilities and combinations in order to gain a considerable advantage over their opponents in the scenarios.
- And no, you don't have to heal only because you rolled what you consider to be a healing class. The fact that they can DPS proves you very wrong, now doesn't it? As for WP's they're not that great, bright wizards however can dominate a battlefield, especially when paired up with other bright wizards.
How do you turn raid group on in scenario?????