Sounds like some people need to relax a little... The post was more for fun about the simalarities and disappointments and suprises I found while playing the game. Without going past the NDA I have to keep it fairly superficial.
The dude with the SM rant was even funnier than I expected.... They truely do suck it pretty hard, and I would advise against being one of those for numerous reasons. Iron breakers are simply better in every way.
Anyway, I'm glad some people got a kick out of my perspective of my beta-play, and I hope it saves people some time (ie. knowing Whitelions, SM's, engineers, and maguses suck). This may change, and in the right hands, it might be decent, but in the average hands, they are below average.
I'm sure jeff gordon can drive the hell out of a tempo, but that doesn't make it a good car.
Sounds like some people need to relax a little... The post was more for fun about the simalarities and disappointments and suprises I found while playing the game. Without going past the NDA I have to keep it fairly superficial. The dude with the SM rant was even funnier than I expected.... They truely do suck it pretty hard, and I would advise against being one of those for numerous reasons. Iron breakers are simply better in every way. Anyway, I'm glad some people got a kick out of my perspective of my beta-play, and I hope it saves people some time (ie. knowing Whitelions, SM's, engineers, and maguses suck). This may change, and in the right hands, it might be decent, but in the average hands, they are below average. I'm sure jeff gordon can drive the hell out of a tempo, but that doesn't make it a good car.
God you are HORRIBLE. Please don't post. Even your analogies suck. No one watches nascar.
If you fail at this game please don't post a class guide. Seriously.. just calm down... let the professionals handle it. Don't sweat it!
On the it saves people some time (ie. knowing whitelions, SM's, engineers, and maguses suck).
To that I say.. L-M-F-A-O. Who's going to listen to you? Seriously? Are you someone of importance on this forum or something?
Praise be smitty. I don't know what I would have done without his preview weekend class guide. A guide made from someone who played maybe half the classes badly and from only 1-10. Certainly witch hunter's will dominate this game more then any other class because this is about 1v1s AMIRITE?
Btw witch hunter's aren't even that spectacular. Yes they are good. Definitely not the best class in this game. Is there a best? Don't know I haven't seen 1 class completely dominate in this game. Since it's not possible.
But it is possible for a good group of players to dominate in this game. Yes.
i've been in beta for two years and i am an elder tester.
if you don't want to read my incoming wall of text, ill summarize it for you.
smitty, if there were a special olympics for writing reviews you would be in it. and then come in last place. actually im not sure if you would even qualify
first off, you wrote different reviews for the swordmaster and black orc. incase you didn't know, they are virtually the same F-ucking class. engineers dont suck, you suck. maguses dont suck, you suck. a warrior priests heals are slightly better than a runepriest? have you ever played this game before? brightwizards get almost 70% backlash from the damage of their spells. L2math. what was that about white lions taking twice as much damage because they have a pet? you really are that dumb aren't you. by your logic, it would be better to take 5 raid members instead of 40 because with 40 you would be taking 8 times as much damage. i dont even feel like continuing. i hate you
i've been in beta for two years and i am an elder tester.
if you don't want to read my incoming wall of text, ill summarize it for you. smitty, if there were a special olympics for writing reviews you would be in it. and then come in last place. actually im not sure if you would even qualify
first off, you wrote different reviews for the swordmaster and black orc. incase you didn't know, they are virtually the same F-ucking class. engineers dont suck, you suck. maguses dont suck, you suck. a warrior priests heals are slightly better than a runepriest? have you ever played this game before? brightwizards get almost 70% backlash from the damage of their spells. L2math. what was that about white lions taking twice as much damage because they have a pet? you really are that dumb aren't you. by your logic, it would be better to take 5 raid members instead of 40 because with 40 you would be taking 8 times as much damage. i dont even feel like continuing. i hate you
Sorry Solude, but I'm going to have to disagree with your black orc comment. When I played him in Mourkain Temple, I consistantly matched nukers in terms of damage. Not only that, but I still retained my defense (nothing like the ironbreaker, but I was still close to him even with that kind of damage).
Just in case some people didn't get to play warhammer online yet, I thought I would share some insight on the class breakdown so far for both order and destruction. ORDER: IRONBREAKER: This will be the overall best tank for raiding, but it is not as great in pvp. It requires a building of grudge points to launch it's actions, which deminish if the player dies, or if it is out of combat for too long. Both of these things happen often in rvr. (Closest wow build: Warrior) ENGINEER: Gimp... The dps does not do this class justice. It is very versitile, but I have killed an engineer with EVERY destruction class, and I have felt like I have had an advantage... enough said. Their hp is too low to melee, and their dps is too low period. Turrets are also completely lame and useless. (Closest wow build: noob elemental shaman) RUNEPRIEST: This class is quite a bit better than the name and description tells. For RVR this is the only healer you would ever need, as it can really lay out the HOT's, and it can bestow skills to players that are REALLY GOOD!! Giving a tank a high damage ranged skill that costs no action points is pretty awesome!! Offensive magic is not so hot, but it can get the job done in a pinch. (Closest wow build: Shadow priest/healer druid) WARRIOR PRIEST: Not as great as you would imagine. The heals are about par, slightly better than a runepriest, but less than an archmage. The melee attacks are OK, but not great, and the ranged skills just are a letdown in both appearance and effect. The attacks are simaler to throwing a tomato at your opponent... it even makes a squishy sound. If you are empire, this isn't a bad choice however, since it is a nice balance between offense and defense, and they can be a real pain in scenarios to uproot. (Closest wow build: Healer paladin) BRIGHTWIZARD: These are one of the most powerful classes in the game. If you are going to be a caster, be this caster. Their DPS is unmatched against all classes, and their dots, roots, and debuffs can make them at the advantage of any brawl. Their building power, also makes them increddible burst damage if they are not being attacked. They can get huge crits with just a little backlash from their skills, so if you think of ignoring these, think again! (Closest wow build: Fire mage) WITCH HUNTER: Most OP class in RVR bar NONE!!! They can kite any class around and just abuse them. Tanks, melee dps, healers... all of them. For casters, it's even worse, they basically can silence you, then kill you FAST! Their gear makes them much much better, so end game they will be dps gods, and almost all of their skills are instant cast. So far, this particular class is my only balance gripe that I have with the game. Also, many of the order are this class... tons and tons of these in fact. I expect this to be the most played class on the order side of the fence. At least they rock... as long as they are this OP, I see good things for order! (closest wow build: Rogue with a gun) Shadow Warrior: This class is good, don't get me wrong, but compared to the BW, it is gimp. The arrow attacks are simaler in cast time, and cost to the spells, but they have a diminished effect. This class relies on mobility which only one tree really supports, and it lacks the burst dps of a ranged attacker. I also found it easy to close on this class since EVERY melee class has some sort of slow or root. This really takes the wind out of the sails of this class. Despite the neat trailer video, they are completely worthless in melee combat, but they can sneak in some pretty good damage without a lot of flash if you can camp by npc's, but this is a pretty lame tactic to use, and people will generally just avoid you and you will effectively become an npc. Reccomend playing a BW instead of this class! (closest wow build: Mage) White Lion: This class if very neat. Having a lion that helps and follows you around is a pretty good idea. Probem is that lions are not as good as a player, and the whitelion is not as good as a player either. Only together can you beat someone, and even then it can be a trick. The lion is very useful for tapping mobs solo, and you can resummon your lion in combat, so this class can solo quite well. There is a degree of skill that is required for this class though, that is not required for the squig herder, since the squig herder can just shoot while you must melee it out. I must warn you that lions are not very strong hp-wise, and most of the time will just die from splash damage from bosses. This class is good in RVR, but HORRIBLE in raids... Just horrible... you basically take 2x dps damage from any boss due to having two targets present. (Closest wow build: hunter with no arrows) Archmage: Solid class with low soloability, in short. The heals are great, and the spells are decent. It is the closest you will come to a classic healer class in this mmo. The "using offense to help heals" is complete bs, since the stat bonus is to cast time, and that is just lame. This particular type of class is everywhere in mmo's so I will not go on and on about it. (closest wow build: Holy priest) Swordmaster: This is very interesting to me. Since dark elves get NO TANK, you are lulled into feeling pretty useful in pvp and feeling pretty powerful EARLY ON. Problem is that your balance attribute is completely worthless, and other tanks can rock your world. If you are a classic tanker, go Ironbreaker. If you want to be a hybrid dps tank, this might be your angle, but I warn that they added dps comes at a cost of almost all defense. These die nearly as easily in rvr as a shadow warrior, so choose wisely. This might be good for raiding however, I never got the class up to a level where I could take on a serious raid. Just a note, all of the pictures of these show them weilding a greatsword, but most of the time you are sword & board just like the other classes.... I thought this class would be a different take on a tank with just a weapon, but it turns out not to be the case.... any tank can do what this tank does just as well. (closest wow build: one-armed paladin)
DESTRUCTION!!!!!!! Black-Orc: This tank starts out slow... I mean very slow! But it gets to be the best tanking tank in the destruction lineup. They are solid in rvr and can really give casters fits with interrupts. The only problem is that you are kind of big and stand out, and you generally are being swarmed by ironbreakers since the other dwarf classes kind of lack awesomeness. (closest wow build: fury warrior) Shaman: (See archmage) except small and darty which helps in rvr. I have a great screenie of a bush/shaman in rvr... classic. (closest wow build: Holy priest) Squig herder: By far the best solo class!!! BY FAR! You will see this right off the bat, and throughout the game. I am a bit confused about the "squig armor" path since it makes the 2 of you become one, and acutally be fairly gimp. (you climb into the squig like the trailer) The big shootin path is the best for rvr and solo... and raids. These are the closest thing to huntards in WOW. I expect there to be a lot of these running around at launch. (22 huntards lf healer and tank) will likely be said quite a bit in the orc lands. (closest wow build: beastmaster hunter) Zealot: (See runepriest) almost a perfect mirror! (closest wow build: Shadow priest/healer druid) Chosen: Chosens are the coolest looking class, and they have some of the neatest powers of the tanking community. Their curses are instantaneous, powerful, and are spread over a large area. These curses do things like (-33% resist to enemies +33% resist to allies) which is pretty huge! As solo, they aren't great, and the curses agro enemies which makes pulling and pve VERY HARD at times. In rvr it's nice to have the full power of you skills available at the start of the fight, since tanks rarely live to see the end of the fight. All in all, I would say they are balanced due to their specific weaknesses to ranged attacks and pve. They are alright in raids... not better than a BO but still acceptable. This will likely be the most played destruction class (yey for casters) due to their cool looks, and decent power. This is a tank that is cool enough to get people who don't play tanks to try it out. This will fizzle in the higher levels though. (closest wow build: Super paladin) Magus: This class is simaler to the engineer (weirdly enough) they can summon deamons and shoot at people, but it's different. They are no where near as good as a sorc or BW, but they aren't horrible either. They can cast AND move, which is unique to casters, and it takes some getting used to as most people freeze when the caster bar comes up. All of their skills are weak for being a caster, but they all have some secondary effects that are nice. The disc is well done and cool. It also attacks in melee for you as well. This class got a remake not too long ago, and they added some utility skills, but I would avoid this class since it will not be very good in raids and it is only marginal in rvr/pve. The summons are much better than the turrets from and engineer at least. (closest wow build: Elemental shaman) Marauder: This class is very good in rvr. It has a lot of silences, slows, roots, and even an ability that pulls your opponent to you! Not to mention a few sprints and root breaks. They are NOT as good as a WH and can get beaten like a doll by one and their shinannagans, but they are the 2nd worst thing to happen to a caster. Their melee AOE's are the real show-stopper since people love to bunch up for protection. A few of these can make superior forces turn and run due to the huge aoe's possible by these guys! They also have attacks that due more damage from behind and so on. Not fantastic in raids since most cc and silences just don't work in these scenarios, but if you are a hardcore pvp melee guy (ex rogue) and you want to really become a feared sight to order, then this if your guy! (Closest wow build: dps warrior) Sorcerrer: T(ee BW) The overall damage KING!! They have some cc, an AOE silence to deal with healers and they can just dish out the burst/sustained dps like no one else! Disciple of khaine: If you can find something that will let you wack on it a little while, they can get some pretty potent skills, however in rvr that doesn't happen much. Their skills are utility based and not very flashy. They can dual-wield, but that's only for show, and a little for stats. Their dps sucks, but they are a healer class primarily. Very simaler to a warrior priest. (closest wow class: Healing paladin that doesn't know to stay out of melee) Witch elf: These are simaler to the witch hunter, but without a gun... HUGE burst damage, and awesome poion/debuff skills against a single target, but just plain not as good as a witch hunter. Could be better in raids though... since a kiting and silences don't work. These guys can really kill someone fast if they aren't taking direct fire from an opponent. BW's can smoke these chicks pretty fast though! Closest wow class: (rogue who can't vanish) I hope this guide helps you find the right match for you are launch, so you don't miss any time leveling your main by being distracted by a class that looks cool but doesn't play to your liking. I learned an important lesson from the MAGUS, and I hope this can help you get your first class right!
Please please PLEASE stick to WoW where you belong.
Originally posted by Dameonk Originally posted by zindel Absolutely agree, this was by far the hardest class for me to kill.
And there's your problem. If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare. Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
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You need to know how to play in order to make the class shine. Yes and over-powered class combined with a skilled gamer is what truely makes it epic. Put a non-skilled gamer behind the same OP class and he becomes a wet paper bag and makes the class look like crap. See ya' on the battlefield.
I agree, so far i have not found a class that was overpowered and i been in beta for a year. You can be bad or goood depending on where your position is , where your priorities are and where your tactic take you.
Of cause in a 1v1 it can swing fast either side, but this game is not about 1v1 it is about taking an object and play as a group.
"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"
Absolutely agree, this was by far the hardest class for me to kill.
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?! Actually there's is better http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9265) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
If Runepriest and Zealot are such mirrors, how come I don't hear about zealots tanking like 6 order guys? Is it an armor issue? I know Runepriest armor looks like plate, but it should still be robe armor rating right..
I expect that Witch Hunters will be the most played class by 12-18 year olds because their class icon is cleavage.
I never even saw class icons where do they show up lol?
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
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I hope newbies to the game dont find this post and consider the OPs opinion on class comparisons legit. Its way off base.
Yeah RP for order at least are the true healers as they don't need to attack to make heals better or even use them as AM and WP have ot do.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
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Absolutely agree, this was by far the hardest class for me to kill.
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?!) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
Yes, Destruction is the favored side of the Alliance kiddies coming in the masses from their Night Elves. Clearly displayed in the OP: DESTRUCTION!!! TEH OEN111!!!
If Runepriest and Zealot are such mirrors, how come I don't hear about zealots tanking like 6 order guys? Is it an armor issue? I know Runepriest armor looks like plate, but it should still be robe armor rating right..
Because destro players are bad and you see chosen running around not tanking their healers but instead using 2handers and trying to be damage dealers.
Let's compare the runepriest's defensive skills with the zealots. Without going into mastery trees.
Zealots:
Veil of chaos
40 action points
100 ft range
20 sec cooldown
For the next 10 seconds, your target will absorb up to 499 damage. When the effect fades they will regain 160 health.
Runepriest:
Rune of Shielding
40 action points
100 ft range
20 sec cooldown
Target absorbs 499 damage over 10 seconds. When the effect fades they will regain 160 health.
Zealots:
Harbringer of doom
20 action points
100 ft range
No cooldown.
Calls down a Harbinger of Doom upon your enemy. While afflicted by the Harbinger, the target will do 25% less damage to you. (This skill can be used on multiple enemies at once and won't break if you attack them!)
Runepriests:
Rune of preservation.
20 action points
100 ft range
15 sec cooldown.
Detaunts targets attack power by 50% for 15 seconds. If you attack anyone that you have Detaunted, the effect will immediately end.
Yes Zealot's have weaker armor then runepriests though. I guess it makes up for DoK being better then Warrior Priests.
I expect that Witch Hunters will be the most played class by 12-18 year olds because their class icon is cleavage.
I never even saw class icons where do they show up lol?
It's actually a cleavage for witch elves. So I dono if that guy got the two witches mixed up. You see icons when you see the scores from scenarios. Most notable to me was the white lion's lion icon. DoK get a hand. SM's icon sucks because that class is gimp (sarcasm) it's just a sword.
comparing all classes in war to wow classes = epic fail
Whining about something that was funny = epic fail
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Absolutely agree, this was by far the hardest class for me to kill.
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?!) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
I played "against" Order. On the field (if they're not perched) they are one of the first classes I want to get rid of. So naturally I fought quite a few and experienced all of their abilities, and it's still my opinion they are not overly OP but the most OP class on the Order side nonetheless (that's what the thread is about in case you didn't notice). If that bothers you then piss off I guess?? And yes, I played a Chosen with 2h (sword and board when needed) and felt like I was OP myself much of the time.
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Absolutely agree, this was by far the hardest class for me to kill.
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?! Actually there's is better http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9265) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
I can tell you haven't played endgame lol.
First off the zealot and the Rune priest may have many similar abilities but they are not all the same. Just like the WP and DoK are mirrors but the WP has more defensive skills. RP have better skills then zealots so in all honesty they are better. The zealot vs RP is probably the worst balanced mirror in the game currently.
2 hand chosen at endgame are arguably better then a shield tank. Why? Armor means nothing because it will all be debuffed. Shield buys you a bit more time to live but you cannot kill ANYTHING. A single hot negates a chosen 1hand+shield damage. With a 2hander though your DPS is better and you actually have the chance to kill something. The amount of caster/Ranged DPS+armor debuffs drops tanks FAST. When you get hit for 600-1k consistantly every other second and only 7k HP you want to kill things quick.
Absolutely agree, this was by far the hardest class for me to kill.
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?!) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
I played "against" Order. On the field (if they're not perched) they are one of the first classes I want to get rid of. So naturally I fought quite a few and experienced all of their abilities, and it's still my opinion they are not overly OP but the most OP class on the Order side nonetheless (that's what the thread is about in case you didn't notice). If that bothers you then piss off I guess?? And yes, I played a Chosen with 2h (sword and board when needed) and felt like I was OP myself much of the time.
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The fact that you go after a medium armored healer that can heal himself on the run like a druid then say a bright wizard or an archmage.
If runepriest is most OP class on the order side, what about Ironbreakers? Who is hand's down the best tank class. None of these classes are OP they are good but not OP.
o·ver·pow·ered, o·ver·pow·er·ing, o·ver·pow·ers
1. To overcome or vanquish by superior force; subdue.
2. To affect so strongly as to make helpless or ineffective; overwhelm.
3. To supply with excessive mechanical power.
Did you ever feel like this was happening to you when playing against the rune priest? No. I never felt it when playing against a Destro or Order class. Ohh look at me I played "against" both!
"That's what this thread is about if you haven't noticed." This whole thread is stupid if you haven't noticed.
You played a chosen who weilded a greatsword and thought you were OP at times. I have to ask if your server was handicapped for Special Olympic Gaming.
I'm actually amused by this thread. You people have me laughing out loud. And don't try to cover it up as an opinion for the OP he is dead serious. I mean you have to be pretty serious to say in all caps, witch hunter best class for RvR bar none. And you quoted Fingis. FINGIS. He has a level 70 prot warrior in greens and talks about how WAR's combat doesn't compare to WoWs. And he only played on Preview weekend. Like the OP.
Btw if swordmaster using a 2hander in RvR isn't viable how the hell is a chosen using a 2hander viable. Yes you can use it. Will you be playing into your full potential? Not unless you are level 40 fully specced into dps.
Absolutely agree, this was by far the hardest class for me to kill.
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?! Actually there's is better http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9265) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
I can tell you haven't played endgame lol.
First off the zealot and the Rune priest may have many similar abilities but they are not all the same. Just like the WP and DoK are mirrors but the WP has more defensive skills. RP have better skills then zealots so in all honesty they are better. The zealot vs RP is probably the worst balanced mirror in the game currently.
2 hand chosen at endgame are arguably better then a shield tank. Why? Armor means nothing because it will all be debuffed. Shield buys you a bit more time to live but you cannot kill ANYTHING. A single hot negates a chosen 1hand+shield damage. With a 2hander though your DPS is better and you actually have the chance to kill something. The amount of caster/Ranged DPS+armor debuffs drops tanks FAST. When you get hit for 600-1k consistantly every other second and only 7k HP you want to kill things quick.
I'm speaking of levels 1-21. We aren't supposed to really be talking about endgame.
Originally posted by Distaste Originally posted by Zammzt Originally posted by zindel
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Originally posted by zindel
Absolutely agree, this was by far the hardest class for me to kill.
And there's your problem. If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare. Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky. YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?! Actually there's is better http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9265) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
I can tell you haven't played endgame lol. First off the zealot and the Rune priest may have many similar abilities but they are not all the same. Just like the WP and DoK are mirrors but the WP has more defensive skills. RP have better skills then zealots so in all honesty they are better. The zealot vs RP is probably the worst balanced mirror in the game currently. 2 hand chosen at endgame are arguably better then a shield tank. Why? Armor means nothing because it will all be debuffed. Shield buys you a bit more time to live but you cannot kill ANYTHING. A single hot negates a chosen 1hand+shield damage. With a 2hander though your DPS is better and you actually have the chance to kill something. The amount of caster/Ranged DPS+armor debuffs drops tanks FAST. When you get hit for 600-1k consistantly every other second and only 7k HP you want to kill things quick.
Thank you Distaste Dread spec Chosen with damage Auras and Tooth of Tzeentch are more valuable to a party than a Chosen tank imo.
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Sounds like some people need to relax a little... The post was more for fun about the simalarities and disappointments and suprises I found while playing the game. Without going past the NDA I have to keep it fairly superficial.
The dude with the SM rant was even funnier than I expected.... They truely do suck it pretty hard, and I would advise against being one of those for numerous reasons. Iron breakers are simply better in every way.
Anyway, I'm glad some people got a kick out of my perspective of my beta-play, and I hope it saves people some time (ie. knowing Whitelions, SM's, engineers, and maguses suck). This may change, and in the right hands, it might be decent, but in the average hands, they are below average.
I'm sure jeff gordon can drive the hell out of a tempo, but that doesn't make it a good car.
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God you are HORRIBLE. Please don't post. Even your analogies suck. No one watches nascar.
Praise be smitty. I don't know what I would have done without his preview weekend class guide. A guide made from someone who played maybe half the classes badly and from only 1-10. Certainly witch hunter's will dominate this game more then any other class because this is about 1v1s AMIRITE?
If you fail at this game please don't post a class guide. Seriously.. just calm down... let the professionals handle it. Don't sweat it!
On the it saves people some time (ie. knowing whitelions, SM's, engineers, and maguses suck).
To that I say.. L-M-F-A-O. Who's going to listen to you? Seriously? Are you someone of importance on this forum or something?
Btw witch hunter's aren't even that spectacular. Yes they are good. Definitely not the best class in this game. Is there a best? Don't know I haven't seen 1 class completely dominate in this game. Since it's not possible.
But it is possible for a good group of players to dominate in this game. Yes.
i've been in beta for two years and i am an elder tester.
if you don't want to read my incoming wall of text, ill summarize it for you.
smitty, if there were a special olympics for writing reviews you would be in it. and then come in last place. actually im not sure if you would even qualify
first off, you wrote different reviews for the swordmaster and black orc. incase you didn't know, they are virtually the same F-ucking class. engineers dont suck, you suck. maguses dont suck, you suck. a warrior priests heals are slightly better than a runepriest? have you ever played this game before? brightwizards get almost 70% backlash from the damage of their spells. L2math. what was that about white lions taking twice as much damage because they have a pet? you really are that dumb aren't you. by your logic, it would be better to take 5 raid members instead of 40 because with 40 you would be taking 8 times as much damage. i dont even feel like continuing. i hate you
this post was very true but extremely funny
Sorry Solude, but I'm going to have to disagree with your black orc comment. When I played him in Mourkain Temple, I consistantly matched nukers in terms of damage. Not only that, but I still retained my defense (nothing like the ironbreaker, but I was still close to him even with that kind of damage).
Please please PLEASE stick to WoW where you belong.
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
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I hope newbies to the game dont find this post and consider the OPs opinion on class comparisons legit. Its way off base.
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I agree, so far i have not found a class that was overpowered and i been in beta for a year. You can be bad or goood depending on where your position is , where your priorities are and where your tactic take you.
Of cause in a 1v1 it can swing fast either side, but this game is not about 1v1 it is about taking an object and play as a group.
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9265) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?! Actually there's is better
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
If Runepriest and Zealot are such mirrors, how come I don't hear about zealots tanking like 6 order guys? Is it an armor issue? I know Runepriest armor looks like plate, but it should still be robe armor rating right..
I never even saw class icons where do they show up lol?
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
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Yeah RP for order at least are the true healers as they don't need to attack to make heals better or even use them as AM and WP have ot do.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
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And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?!) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
Yes, Destruction is the favored side of the Alliance kiddies coming in the masses from their Night Elves. Clearly displayed in the OP: DESTRUCTION!!! TEH OEN111!!!
Because destro players are bad and you see chosen running around not tanking their healers but instead using 2handers and trying to be damage dealers.
Let's compare the runepriest's defensive skills with the zealots. Without going into mastery trees.
Zealots:
Veil of chaos
40 action points
100 ft range
20 sec cooldown
For the next 10 seconds, your target will absorb up to 499 damage. When the effect fades they will regain 160 health.
Runepriest:
Rune of Shielding
40 action points
100 ft range
20 sec cooldown
Target absorbs 499 damage over 10 seconds. When the effect fades they will regain 160 health.
Zealots:
Harbringer of doom
20 action points
100 ft range
No cooldown.
Calls down a Harbinger of Doom upon your enemy. While afflicted by the Harbinger, the target will do 25% less damage to you. (This skill can be used on multiple enemies at once and won't break if you attack them!)
Runepriests:
Rune of preservation.
20 action points
100 ft range
15 sec cooldown.
Detaunts targets attack power by 50% for 15 seconds. If you attack anyone that you have Detaunted, the effect will immediately end.
Yes Zealot's have weaker armor then runepriests though. I guess it makes up for DoK being better then Warrior Priests.
I never even saw class icons where do they show up lol?
It's actually a cleavage for witch elves. So I dono if that guy got the two witches mixed up. You see icons when you see the scores from scenarios. Most notable to me was the white lion's lion icon. DoK get a hand. SM's icon sucks because that class is gimp (sarcasm) it's just a sword.
Whining about something that was funny = epic fail
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Whining about something that was funny = epic fail
Not realizing that the OP was serious = epic fail
I played "against" Order. On the field (if they're not perched) they are one of the first classes I want to get rid of. So naturally I fought quite a few and experienced all of their abilities, and it's still my opinion they are not overly OP but the most OP class on the Order side nonetheless (that's what the thread is about in case you didn't notice). If that bothers you then piss off I guess?? And yes, I played a Chosen with 2h (sword and board when needed) and felt like I was OP myself much of the time.
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Whining about something that was funny = epic fail
Not realizing that the OP was serious = epic fail
Lets just all pray that Zammzt isn't a representation. Of the people that will be playing Warhammer during OB and the retail launch.
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Whining about something that was funny = epic fail
Not realizing that the OP was serious = epic fail
Quoting a bunch of quotes about epic fail = epic fail
Hey, wait a minute....
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9265) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?! Actually there's is better
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
I can tell you haven't played endgame lol.
First off the zealot and the Rune priest may have many similar abilities but they are not all the same. Just like the WP and DoK are mirrors but the WP has more defensive skills. RP have better skills then zealots so in all honesty they are better. The zealot vs RP is probably the worst balanced mirror in the game currently.
2 hand chosen at endgame are arguably better then a shield tank. Why? Armor means nothing because it will all be debuffed. Shield buys you a bit more time to live but you cannot kill ANYTHING. A single hot negates a chosen 1hand+shield damage. With a 2hander though your DPS is better and you actually have the chance to kill something. The amount of caster/Ranged DPS+armor debuffs drops tanks FAST. When you get hit for 600-1k consistantly every other second and only 7k HP you want to kill things quick.
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?!) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
I played "against" Order. On the field (if they're not perched) they are one of the first classes I want to get rid of. So naturally I fought quite a few and experienced all of their abilities, and it's still my opinion they are not overly OP but the most OP class on the Order side nonetheless (that's what the thread is about in case you didn't notice). If that bothers you then piss off I guess?? And yes, I played a Chosen with 2h (sword and board when needed) and felt like I was OP myself much of the time.
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The fact that you go after a medium armored healer that can heal himself on the run like a druid then say a bright wizard or an archmage.
If runepriest is most OP class on the order side, what about Ironbreakers? Who is hand's down the best tank class. None of these classes are OP they are good but not OP.
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Did you ever feel like this was happening to you when playing against the rune priest? No. I never felt it when playing against a Destro or Order class. Ohh look at me I played "against" both!
"That's what this thread is about if you haven't noticed." This whole thread is stupid if you haven't noticed.
You played a chosen who weilded a greatsword and thought you were OP at times. I have to ask if your server was handicapped for Special Olympic Gaming.
I'm actually amused by this thread. You people have me laughing out loud. And don't try to cover it up as an opinion for the OP he is dead serious. I mean you have to be pretty serious to say in all caps, witch hunter best class for RvR bar none. And you quoted Fingis. FINGIS. He has a level 70 prot warrior in greens and talks about how WAR's combat doesn't compare to WoWs. And he only played on Preview weekend. Like the OP.
Btw if swordmaster using a 2hander in RvR isn't viable how the hell is a chosen using a 2hander viable. Yes you can use it. Will you be playing into your full potential? Not unless you are level 40 fully specced into dps.
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9265) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?! Actually there's is better
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
I can tell you haven't played endgame lol.
First off the zealot and the Rune priest may have many similar abilities but they are not all the same. Just like the WP and DoK are mirrors but the WP has more defensive skills. RP have better skills then zealots so in all honesty they are better. The zealot vs RP is probably the worst balanced mirror in the game currently.
2 hand chosen at endgame are arguably better then a shield tank. Why? Armor means nothing because it will all be debuffed. Shield buys you a bit more time to live but you cannot kill ANYTHING. A single hot negates a chosen 1hand+shield damage. With a 2hander though your DPS is better and you actually have the chance to kill something. The amount of caster/Ranged DPS+armor debuffs drops tanks FAST. When you get hit for 600-1k consistantly every other second and only 7k HP you want to kill things quick.
I'm speaking of levels 1-21. We aren't supposed to really be talking about endgame.
And there's your problem.
If you were trying to kill a healer without the rest of your team, good luck. All of the healing classes can hold their own 1 vs 1. The game isn't about duels, it is about team warfare.
Focus fire on a RP and they will be dead within seconds. They are not overpowered, people just need to lear how to play the game correctly.
Who said I was trying to solo them?? You quoted a response to a comment about rune priests being able to tank half a dozen Dest. This is exactly the same thing I witnessed, countless times. Yeah you can kill them with more than one person, but as I said, they were the HARDEST. Learn to read before you get too cocky.
YOUR BAD. GET OVER IT. ALL THOSE MMOS AND YOU STILL FAIL.
You quoted fingis and agreed with him I mean c'mon. Horrible.
A zealot is the rune priests mirror class and can do the exact same things. If a runepriest can tank 12 destruction then destruction is the new alliance player base of Warhammer. Btw they have abilities to survive and tanks can help them stay alive as well. If they do that 50% damage reduced for 15 seconds with guard on them that's damage reduced by 100% Yes it stacks. My archmage friend used it (OMG ARCHMAGE AND SHAMMY HAVE IT TOO?!?! Actually there's is better
http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9265) and he was getting hit for 1 damage.
Btw you played a chosen with a 2hander. I don't have to say anything else.
I can tell you haven't played endgame lol.
First off the zealot and the Rune priest may have many similar abilities but they are not all the same. Just like the WP and DoK are mirrors but the WP has more defensive skills. RP have better skills then zealots so in all honesty they are better. The zealot vs RP is probably the worst balanced mirror in the game currently.
2 hand chosen at endgame are arguably better then a shield tank. Why? Armor means nothing because it will all be debuffed. Shield buys you a bit more time to live but you cannot kill ANYTHING. A single hot negates a chosen 1hand+shield damage. With a 2hander though your DPS is better and you actually have the chance to kill something. The amount of caster/Ranged DPS+armor debuffs drops tanks FAST. When you get hit for 600-1k consistantly every other second and only 7k HP you want to kill things quick.
Thank you Distaste
Dread spec Chosen with damage Auras and Tooth of Tzeentch are more valuable to a party than a Chosen tank imo.
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