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How do you know? How do you know there won't be a free trial with credit card required?? Lots of games do that... than they just bill you when you forget to cancel..
But I suppose if the game is a steaming pile of shit no noe will forget to cancel...
Although the funny thing is that Dark and Light kept billing people sometimes 3 x over even after they cancelled.
must...take...own...advice......
must....not....feed...the....trolls.....
i could feed them more, and for a second there i thought that op may actually have the capacity to have a serious discussion, but then i saw him use reviews for AoC as "support" for his argument...and i think we all know the truth with that one.
OP doesn't understand how the business world works. Only reason I can give for why he thinks those reviews actually reflect the quality that AoC launched in and is currently in. Thinking those reviews are legit is just lol. But if you want to site numbers and facts...well you can look at the rapid decrease in the playerbase, as well as funcom stock. Though im sure you have a way to either avoid those facts or change the topic.
Oh and if DF promises that certain features will be in on launch, and they arent there, then yes it will be a "hoax" in the same way that AoC is. Hoax seems to be used in different ways here, but i seriously hope no one is using it as being literally a big scam, because that would just be lol. Now if they openly cut things out like WAR did, then no of course it wont be a hoax.
But the main reason it wont be a hoax is if they follow through on their claim that we can play it without spending a dime on it first. Unlike AoC which capped their open beta to obviously disguise the fact that post lvl 20 gameplay was not as they promised it would be.
Wow i sure can give advice about the trolls but cant take it i guess.
edit: Please feel free to respond ala PM (i know you wont get your much needed attention this way) because im not going to check back to this thread, too many others that have some discussion in it.
like the thread you chose not to respond to because your points got absolutly destroyed by myself and others. so you and gmny etc just make new threads.
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Click this for lulz: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/173737/page/6
I don't recall this ever taking place.
I do recall Darkfall getting completely destroyed by this thread and many others here time and time again.
Not a hard thing to accomplish though so I won't give myself too much credit for doing it constantly.
I sense alot of misguided anger in you. You should take that and direct it where it truly belongs ---- at the Darkfall developers.
Because they are truly the root of the problem. If you can't see that than you are a lost cause along with this whole project.
I'm sure this had been said, but it's my duty to make sure it's said.
Quote OP:
[AoC has] seen success, and is up, running, and playable
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This is highly objectionable.
Also, the only reason Darkfall won't blow AoC away is because Warhammer will already have done that twice over.
The only thing left of AoC will be Chinese farmers who haven't quite figured out where the hell all the english speakers went.
Betting that AoC has a 5000% more success than a game that is not out seems ridiculous to me. Basically, you are angry ....and doing the same thing that you are complaining about. It's one thing to be angry about Darkfall fans who are speculating that their game will be greater than AoC. But it's hypocrisy when you speculate that AoC is greater than Darkfall for the same reason.
You need to relax.
One thing I have been monitoring is how the perception of Darkfall has changed. For a long time, people who were upset called it "Vaporware" and said it wouldn't come out. I've noticed that people are now changing their wording....and saying "IF" it comes out....or "WHEN" it comes out.
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One thing I have been monitoring is how the perception of Darkfall has changed. For a long time, people who were upset called it "Vaporware" and said it wouldn't come out. I've noticed that people are now changing their wording....and saying "IF" it comes out....or "WHEN" it comes out.
You know what I also found. Lots and lots of Darkfall FANS starting to say "IF" it releases with all features.
Seriously, before it used to be simply "This game will be better than anything else". Now it#s "If they launch with all features, it'll be a great game".
So perception has changed, not just for those who do not believe DF will launch as it is promised.
P.S.: I believe DF will launch. But not with the featureset promised and with a big load of problems, curtesy to no extended Beta-Phase (with more than a couple of PRO Testers).
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Funcom did there best to hype their game and the fans hyped it.
Darkfall developers dont hype their game, only fans hype it.
A large difference if you compare Aventurine with Funcom concerning hype. Also a large difference concerning honesty.
Well, Aventurine has a long list of "FEATURES" and Tasos says it is "FEATURE COMPLETE". In four months we'll know if Aventurine was spewing the same lies that Funcom spewed concerning content. Only time will tell.
Hell, the list of features for Darkfall Online is so thick it even includes ship to ship combat. About the only feature it doesn't list is space combat, so it suppose to be the most feature complete game ever released.
Guess we'll all know by the end of December just how truthful Aventurine is.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
I don't recall this ever taking place.
I do recall Darkfall getting completely destroyed by this thread and many others here time and time again.
Not a hard thing to accomplish though so I won't give myself too much credit for doing it constantly.
I sense alot of misguided anger in you. You should take that and direct it where it truly belongs ---- at the Darkfall developers.
Because they are truly the root of the problem. If you can't see that than you are a lost cause along with this whole project.
On the contrary. The ones that is getting owned 24/7 and laughed at on other websites is the Darkfall trolls and nay-sayers here on MMORPG.coms Darkfall site.
The people that actually is backing their statements with developer quotes and facts is mostly the fanbois. Guys like you GMny havent backed one statement with anything else then what just flew out of your mouth. Try back your statements with ANYTHING and you will get alot more of credibility.
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One thing I have been monitoring is how the perception of Darkfall has changed. For a long time, people who were upset called it "Vaporware" and said it wouldn't come out. I've noticed that people are now changing their wording....and saying "IF" it comes out....or "WHEN" it comes out.
You know what I also found. Lots and lots of Darkfall FANS starting to say "IF" it releases with all features.
Seriously, before it used to be simply "This game will be better than anything else". Now it#s "If they launch with all features, it'll be a great game".
So perception has changed, not just for those who do not believe DF will launch as it is promised.
P.S.: I believe DF will launch. But not with the featureset promised and with a big load of problems, curtesy to no extended Beta-Phase (with more than a couple of PRO Testers).
I followed Darkfall closely since 2001. I was actually the number 22 to enter the original Darkfall board.
There is no more Darkfall fans then usually that have fears on a full or not feature list. Its the same as there always been.
Gotta wonder what are you basing this argumentation on? And whats your true purpose with it?
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One thing I have been monitoring is how the perception of Darkfall has changed. For a long time, people who were upset called it "Vaporware" and said it wouldn't come out. I've noticed that people are now changing their wording....and saying "IF" it comes out....or "WHEN" it comes out.
You know what I also found. Lots and lots of Darkfall FANS starting to say "IF" it releases with all features.
Seriously, before it used to be simply "This game will be better than anything else". Now it#s "If they launch with all features, it'll be a great game".
So perception has changed, not just for those who do not believe DF will launch as it is promised.
P.S.: I believe DF will launch. But not with the featureset promised and with a big load of problems, curtesy to no extended Beta-Phase (with more than a couple of PRO Testers).
I followed Darkfall closely since 2001. I was actually the number 22 to enter the original Darkfall board.
There is no more Darkfall fans then usually that have fears on a full or not feature list. Its the same as there always been.
Gotta wonder what are you basing this argumentation on? And whats your true purpose with it?
Oh come on Aragon. My -true- purpose? Wait...right, I want to rid the world of any talk of Darkfall, and I want to slander tasos and make him lose any credibility (he still might have) and make him a sad, sad lonely man, along with all his fans.
Not.
True purpose. Sheesh. I'm discussing a game, not World Domination Plans and/or Politics.
As for my statement. It's my personal perception of how talk about DF has changed based on the many...many threads and people supporting DF on this site. Not all, not everyone, but quite a few. Now I'll thank you to keep this thread on topic instead of trying to put some secret agenda into my posts.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
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One thing I have been monitoring is how the perception of Darkfall has changed. For a long time, people who were upset called it "Vaporware" and said it wouldn't come out. I've noticed that people are now changing their wording....and saying "IF" it comes out....or "WHEN" it comes out.
You know what I also found. Lots and lots of Darkfall FANS starting to say "IF" it releases with all features.
Seriously, before it used to be simply "This game will be better than anything else". Now it#s "If they launch with all features, it'll be a great game".
So perception has changed, not just for those who do not believe DF will launch as it is promised.
P.S.: I believe DF will launch. But not with the featureset promised and with a big load of problems, curtesy to no extended Beta-Phase (with more than a couple of PRO Testers).
I followed Darkfall closely since 2001. I was actually the number 22 to enter the original Darkfall board.
There is no more Darkfall fans then usually that have fears on a full or not feature list. Its the same as there always been.
Gotta wonder what are you basing this argumentation on? And whats your true purpose with it?
Oh come on Aragon. My -true- purpose? Wait...right, I want to rid the world of any talk of Darkfall, and I want to slander tasos and make him lose any credibility (he still might have) and make him a sad, sad lonely man, along with all his fans.
Not.
True purpose. Sheesh. I'm discussing a game, not World Domination Plans and/or Politics.
As for my statement. It's my personal perception of how talk about DF has changed based on the many...many threads and people supporting DF on this site. Not all, not everyone, but quite a few. Now I'll thank you to keep this thread on topic instead of trying to put some secret agenda into my posts.
What you express is something very, very, VERY hard to verify. Its a feeling you express when you compare this site today with this site a year ago or whenever.
To verify it we would have to find all "IFS" about feature complete game which is impossible.
What a statement like yours do accomplish though is to spread doubts on a feature list we have no knowledge of whatsoever since noone have played the game yet.
That is your secret agenda as i see it.
Well, be my guest and continue to believe that. It's not a secret agenda by the way, since I openly say that I do not believe Darkfall will launch with this feature list complete. I say it plain and open so...no secret agenda, eh?
On the other hand, you try to discredit me by aiming to make my posts seem sneaky and loaded with hidden meaning and what not. Now what kind of light does that shed on you, mh?
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Well, be my guest and continue to believe that. It's not a secret agenda by the way, since I openly say that I do not believe Darkfall will launch with this feature list complete. I say it plain and open so...no secret agenda, eh?
On the other hand, you try to discredit me by aiming to make my posts seem sneaky and loaded with hidden meaning and what not. Now what kind of light does that shed on you, mh?
Its the only way i can see your post since neither you or me have any reason to doubt them on their statements since we actually dont know anything about wether its feature complete or not.
Developers of Darkfall claims it is feature complete and thats the only "facts" we have in the matter.
Since youre doubting the only "facts" we have on the matter your words on a none feature complete game is just a way to plant seeds of doubts.
Well, be my guest and continue to believe that. It's not a secret agenda by the way, since I openly say that I do not believe Darkfall will launch with this feature list complete. I say it plain and open so...no secret agenda, eh?
On the other hand, you try to discredit me by aiming to make my posts seem sneaky and loaded with hidden meaning and what not. Now what kind of light does that shed on you, mh?
Its the only way i can see your post since neither you or me have any reason to doubt them on their statements since we actually dont know anything about wether its feature complete or not.
Developers of Darkfall claims it is feature complete and thats the only "facts" we have in the matter.
Since youre doubting the only "facts" we have on the matter your words on a none feature complete game is just a way to set seeds of doubts.
A word from someone who hasn't offered proof for his statement is not a fact. It's a statement, just about as worthy as yours or mine.
I at least point out -why- I believe the feature-list will not be implemented as it is. I explain my doubts and point out reasons why that doubt is there.
In contrast, all the supporters can say is "Well Tasos said it's true.". And we're back to faith. And no, I do not have that faith in Tasos. Not because I am spiteful or don't want a game to succeed, but simply because I find the feature list, coupled with the known things about the developer, plus the current, valid proof out there, to be lacking.
Based on what we have "seen" of the game, what we know they want to do and what we know of their company, I find it difficult to believe that DF will launch with the promised features.
And seriously...I do not need to spread doubts. I would love to play this game as it is promised. Maybe I'll even like it with not all features implemented, who knows? But you would deny me the right to doubt Tasos on this very public Forum just because you feel I am not agreeing with you? Hmmmm.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Ahh, that old favourite MMORPG.com forum sport - Darkfall Fanboi Baiting. I'm sure this was how the Romans felt when they threw Christians to the lions and watched them getting ripped to shreds with beautific smiles of pure faith on their faces - it's fun to point and laugh for a while, but eventually you realize that there really is no getting through to these people. Tasos and his phantom pro beta testing legion could all grow handlebar moustaches, move their headquarters to Colombia and start trading on the opiate futures market and Aragon100 would tell you it's just to escape high European fuel prices, and the coke makes them code faster, and that beta is just around the corner. Still.
Yes the features Darkfall has promised sound great but they won't be, because there is no game.
Yes they won't be stealing anyone's money in preorders because you can't preorder when there is no game.
I'm sure once upon a time there was a game, or at least the idea for the 'greatest game ever'. But so much time has passed that any small semi-pro dev team still bogged down in a project this size will be running a constant, losing race against advancing technology and higher consumer expectations. And now they're faced with the unenviable choice of either releasing their broken, unfinished shell of a game as it is and being roasted over the coals a'la Vanguard and Conan, or throwing in the towel and admitting that they've wasted the last seven years of their lives and moving on to something new. But since both these choices are too hideous to contemplate, Tasos is taking the third option - put off making the hard decision for as long as possible, and hope that maybe tomorrow you get run over by a bus and somebody else has to deliver the bad news.
The answer to your request for proof, Aragon100, is that there is none. It is philosophically impossible to prove, absolutely, that something does not exist. Neither can I prove that God does not exist, nor that there aren't fairies living at the bottom of your garden, nor that the moon is not made of green cheese and we aren't all living in a candy coated Matrix nightmare. Yet in all these cases, the 'evidence' in support of their actual existence is equally sketchy.
Just.
Like.
Darkfall.
So rather than attempt the impossible, I'd like to ask you a question instead Aragon100: will you ever give up hope? Surely everyone has a limit of patience, of faith... what's yours? If that magical terabyte of actual gameplay footage doesn't materialise this month? If there's still no sign of an open beta by the end of this year? This decade? Twenty years from now will you still be waking up every morning and checking your Inbox with tears of hope welling in your eyes, just in case Tasos finally decided to reward your faithfulness by allowing you to join the beta-bots in the Best Game Ever?
Just curious.
The difference btw you and me is that i can actually show that a development of the game Darkfall is taking place. I have hardcore facts backing my statements, at least as far as it can be considered facts what developers delivers.
You have nothing but your gut feeling.
There is no reason to give up hope in this stage of developing. Its rather the opposite. Release and beta soon is something that get every Darkfall fan excited. Why should we give up hope when the game is about to be going live?
Age of Conan followers didnt give up hope on their game, it was actually something they considered to be the next messiah of MMORPG games. A over hyped game they followed like a religion. Look at their sad faces today. They were scammed by a bunch of thiefs and scammers. If that is the way to go then i feel sorry for the MMORPG genre. Darkfall developers approach is alot more tasteful to me. A low profile, develop the game as good as you can and let it speak on its strength.
Actually, the low profile they keep is one of the reasons i applaud them and believe in them as i do. Add a possibility to test the game fully before buying it and they have my total loyalty.
YES! He has proof! Hardcore FACTS.
Hardcore facts.
Tasos said this, Tasos said that. And here is the link to that!
OMFG, look at this screenshot from 2004! Woooo, FACT! FACT!
Look at this will you non-believer! 1 TB of raw footage! "They" said this video will make us shit ourself! "They" said this. "They" said that.
Facts?
...Or bullshit?
I think Aragon100, that you need a good lesson in understanding facts from hype. And you'll learn soon enough that not every fucking word your mighty Tasos says is genuine truth.
- Zaxx
wow took that out of context when did we say tasos is telling 100% truth
YES! He has proof! Hardcore FACTS.
Hardcore facts.
Tasos said this, Tasos said that. And here is the link to that!
OMFG, look at this screenshot from 2004! Woooo, FACT! FACT!
Look at this will you non-believer! 1 TB of raw footage! "They" said this video will make us shit ourself! "They" said this. "They" said that.
Facts?
...Or bullshit?
I think Aragon100, that you need a good lesson in understanding facts from hype. And you'll learn soon enough that not every fucking word your mighty Tasos says is genuine truth.
- Zaxx
How about;
Henning? Brannoc? Half team at E3 when they bringed a video? The other guys working at Aventurine or just been hired in? The Womens Gamer? The Random dudes visit the studio? trademark sites? The Screens? Videos? Journals?
It's not enough to you. But for the majority of the gaming world it's enough.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Then why does the entire gaming industry think Darkfall is a joke?
The only people who even report on Darkfall anymore are the ignorant Greek reporters.
Because they're too dumb to recognize a POS when they see it. lol
Entire?
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
The difference btw you and me is that i can actually show that a development of the game Darkfall is taking place. I have hardcore facts backing my statements, at least as far as it can be considered facts what developers delivers.
You have nothing but your gut feeling.
There is no reason to give up hope in this stage of developing. Its rather the opposite. Release and beta soon is something that get every Darkfall fan excited. Why should we give up hope when the game is about to be going live?
Age of Conan followers didnt give up hope on their game, it was actually something they considered to be the next messiah of MMORPG games. A over hyped game they followed like a religion. Look at their sad faces today. They were scammed by a bunch of thiefs and scammers. If that is the way to go then i feel sorry for the MMORPG genre. Darkfall developers approach is alot more tasteful to me. A low profile, develop the game as good as you can and let it speak on its strength.
Actually, the low profile they keep is one of the reasons i applaud them and believe in them as i do. Add a possibility to test the game fully before buying it and they have my total loyalty.
If you, or anyone else on either side, had "hardcore" facts not based on pure faith and conviction, or conjecture based on the past and avalaible information (or lack thereof), there wouldn't be any polemic on the subject.
Any game has its cadre of devout followers heralding it as the second coming of Christ, you just happened to be on DF's. How can promised events, in the future, that haven't materialized yet, able to capture your total loyalty? How can you fault AoC followers for doing the same you proudly admit? Is there any conceptual difference at all (besides the management of the compay and project behind those games) between you and those AoC followers? What makes you so certain that the Aventurine methodology will lead to better results, as opposed to worse, when all other MMOs that have flourished have used a different one? Had a free trial/beta (though not the same, they seem to be used interchangeably by the DF community) been released already and proved the quality and by extention state of the game I would not question the reason for your loyalty, I might even join you in it, but so far it has not happened, so I have to ask, why?
Where I come from trust and loyalty aren't freely given away on words and promises, they're earned through actions. Hope you can always have for anything you might find agreeable, but conviction and loyalty?
Then why does the entire gaming industry think Darkfall is a joke?
The only people who even report on Darkfall anymore are the ignorant Greek reporters.
Because they're too dumb to recognize a POS when they see it. lol
Entire?
Yes entire
Then why does the entire gaming industry think Darkfall is a joke?
The only people who even report on Darkfall anymore are the ignorant Greek reporters.
Because they're too dumb to recognize a POS when they see it. lol
Entire?
Yes entire
And majority of trolls here at this section in this community is what? 50 people? But of course with all the alt. accounts maybe 300 accounts over the years.
But if we refer to mature people not pathetic trolls then say 60% of the mindless posts goes away.
But I guess you count yourself in to mature poster? Right? With value in your post and you attitude here is the same you have against people you run into a store or a party?
But you think you humiliate the fanbase but instead you humiliate MMORPG.coms Staff. Because they have this game on their site and it fills therequirement. And they don't see the POS.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7