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I laughed, I cried..I quit.
geetornsage
Member Posts: 40
I tried. Honestly I leveled to cruiser and tried the mining and trade. I joined a corp and learned the fate of ALL NEWBIES to eve.
Truths of noobdom in EVE:
1. You will take months to skill up enough to really get the stuff you need to participate at all.
2. After it takes months, EVERYONE ELSE will in turn be months ahead of you again.
3. You will mine.
4. You will tackle, tackle and you will tackle until you feel like hanjging yourself from boredom if you join a pvp corp.
5th and final truth: You will enter a sort of grey MMO area of quasi life...you''ll afk so much that you will forget you are still playing the game; and it won't matter much even if you're a bear hybernating for 6 months you just come back and turn in the ore for pennies after a year mining.
That's my take.
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Well, I think that your opinion seems to be a somewhat common one but it's rather misinformed. First, I wouldn't exactly recommend a new player jump right into mining and/or trade without a good deal of research and reading first. It's just not the strongest starting point for someone who hasn't played the game before or doesn't have friends to help them get a "crash course". Here are my responses to your specific points:
1. The idea that it takes months to skill up enough to participate is really not true. Considering the skill and ability jump-start you get as a new character, you're given pretty good resources to get into the swing of things with only minor time invested. You can easily be flying a cruiser with a good loadout of equipment and millions of ISK in the bank in less than a month. You can do missions, mine (thought not necessarily in low-security space), and do a lot of trade and manufacturing if that's your favor.
2. While the players ahead of you may have more skill points in total, their actual difference in EFFECTIVE SKILL will not be that significant. For example, there are many skills that give perhaps a 2 or 3 percent bonus per level. It's going to take exponentially more time to get that 5th skill level, but all the other person might have on you is a couple percentage points. Much of the game comes down to equipment on your ship and the equipment types on the ship(s) you're battling. A couple "newbies" could take out a veteran in a ship of the same class.
3. Not everyone likes to mine.
4. Tackling (which is EVE's equivalent of tanking I believe), is not everyone's role. It really depends on the ship you're using. The ships in EVE are much like classes would be in other MMO's. There are ships with stealth, some with high shields/armor, some with close-range damage, and others with long-range. The tactics you use depend on your skills and most importantly, the ship you're flying at the moment.
5. While you're waiting for your next skill to train (which, as a new player, should not be getting level 5 skills), you could always do missions, trade, mine, pirate, or do factional warfare if you don't like standard PvP. Make yourself some ISK to invest in better equipment if you feel outmatched. While your AFK time in EVE can still be productive, it's not true or necessary that you spend months training skills offline so you can "compete". You're not able to grind up to the most powerful ship in the game within your first month. The game isn't like WoW where you can just plow your way through content and get up in levels so you can be "the best".
It's more a game of strategy, tactics, and patience. If you're in a hurry, or are the type who wants to grind for a month straight to the "end game", then it's not a good choice. What I would recommend to a new player is to read a lot, and ask LOTS of questions. The rookie help channel and your starter NPC corporation chat are good places to start. The game CAN get boring, but you have the ability to change what you're doing.
@OP
Then you did it all wrong, you can be useful/successful quite fast if you set your mind to it, this means reading, learning and planning. You can be a pirate in a few days to a week, if you know what you're doing. Mining and mission running are NOT essential.
Besides that; "damn if you start playing WOW now then everyone is already 70 and has S4 gear,by the time I get to 70 they'll have progressed to Sunwell... I CAN NEVER CATCH UP!!!"
It's a long term game that requires some effort, if it's not for you then it's not for you.
OP can i have your stuff ?
BestSigEver :P
no!
mine!
my precious!
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
OP, I should also note that in over three years of EVE, I have never, ever mined for profit. Well, not on my main, anyways, I once did an alt that was a miner for 14 days, just to test something... But that's a different matter.
Sounds like all you've had is mining and PVP, why wouldn't you try missioning for a while? And in PVP, try scouting, small ganksquads in cruisers, and other different things.
what the op says is pretty much the truth about Eve Online unfortunaly.
The only way to solve it for new players is to get some isk to buy an 'veteran' char [ since char trading is legally allowed ] with millions of skill pts in order to catch up in terms of skills.
But even so it doesnt really matter.. cos the guys who play it for 5 years or more now [ y eve is 'that' old ], are there with a loadcrap of cash and huge ships like dreandnoughts, carriers, motherships, titans etc.. making everyone else 2nd class citizens either you want or not.
With the exception of those 'old' players flying huge ships, everyone else is there to provide support to them.. and to clean their shoes at the end of the day.
Since it is actaully possible to max out a ships effective skills to the point where anything else you learn will not affect that ship I disagree.
Sure, it might take some time and patience, but these are qualitys that are required to play Eve
if you've been playing for months and all you've done is mine and tackle (especially ONLY tackling for months); then, you may be doing something um "wrong".
i find it incredibly hard to pvp (in a roaming gang) afk. especially at chokepoints.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
That was my first thought when I clicked this thread, to bad knowing eve players, i knew someone would hav already said it...
EvE is not for persons that want to achieve maximum in a month. EvE is for peoples that like to cooperate and contribute for the society that he live in (coproration play with). Thats why most EvE players are older than 25-30 years.
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
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LordOfDarkDesire
When I first tried the trial and saw the skill system I thought "Wow what a awesome idea for a MMO that charges monthly."
People will tell you that you're wrong and you don't get EVE but tbh noone can say your gameplay experience is wrong because you had it lol. I find what your saying to be true anyway and noone can deny that but it all just depends on what you like and some people don't mind the slow slow slowwwwwwwwww gameplay of EVE.
I just sold my account last week because I have no plans of going back myself but my friend is enjoying it, though I say that he hates the game but he doesn't quit until he's the best which I find abit weird cause he never will be.
One of these threads per week.
OMFG SO BORING!
OMFG CANT CATCHUP!
OMFG SHOOTING ROCKS SUCKS!
OMFG NOOBS JUST GET BLOWN UP!
etc etc ad nauseum.
I, personally, think there is no way that one person could possibly ever view something else differently than someone else. We are all clearly mindless zombies with one thing on our mind at all times: BRAINS!
Personally, I always play two MMO's at a time. I always get bored with any game if I play it too much and in my particular case I can afford the 30$ a month to do that. If you can't then I fully understand. When I get bored with EVE I just take time off and train long skills while I focus on another game. ATM I am waiting on WAR so when I got tired of EVE yesterday I played DoW Soulstorm for awhile. I think the key to having fun in EVE is finding a good CORP. I am lucky in that my interest in the WAR40K tabletop game led me to a CORP of like-minded gamers and we are having a blast running lev4 missions with 7-8 ship fleets. As for being useful quickly... that part is tricky. First you really need to know what niche your CORP needs someone to fill then research the skills/ship/fittings you will need to adequately perform that role. Do that and I believe in 45-90 days you can be a tremendous help to your CORP and get more out of the game. Just my opinion anyways.
this fit well for this thread
BestSigEver :P
EVE takes time getting into, there's no way around that.
However, with knowledge comes power. After having played quite a lot, I made a trial alt. After 3 days I could rat in 0.3 without no problems, and could put up a fight in basic pvp. It's all about how you do things.
Can't wait to see what CCP does with World of Darkness. We need more games like this one. Break the mold devs!
[DTE]
I liked eve for the month that i played it. The biggest turn off for me was the community, after watching a month of players bashing and belittleing noobs with legit questions rather than trying to help was too much. which in turn left me to my own trying to learn in fear of asking anything without recieving the same treatment. i am not saying that all of the community was at fault. but one can only take and see so much before coming to the decision that if the arrogant fools wish to be all by themselves in the vast emptyness of space i would be more than happy to oblidge them.
psychorob68 thx for confirm the natural selection theory
also there is a QA forum if u dont know
i bet u dont post there and now u post here, and that make u look like a crybaby
BestSigEver :P
I played it for two hours and realized how bad it was, what took you so long?
Just want to make a little correction about EW in eveonline :
In EVE parlance, a "tackler" is any ship fitted with a module or modules designed for inhibiting another player's ability to warp. Hence, tacklers are any ship setups whose main purpose in a battle is to stop the enemy from escaping, and either avoid the fleet or potentially regroup in a more favourable position.
just didnt want everyone getting misleaded on what a tackler does in eve
i do agree this game is not that much fun but i wouldnt go that far. Some people like these types of games for some reason. I say just let them and play what you like.
It's a love OR hate thing with eve , plus eve is very different from all the others mmo on this whole site .
heck even most of my RL friends didnt like the game they play wow,eq2 that sort of game , games with raiding , loot and dancing avatars on the public place :P
to each there own
A year ago i was reading the same threads,like noobs have no chance and they never catch up.I decided to try the game though.Now i am in a big alliance,fighting by the side of my corpmates and enjoying eve.And no,i have never been a tackler.I dont even have the right skills to be one.Now i look at all these whining posts and i simply laugh.
I actually already miss the game. The first reply reinvigorated me. I'll be returning.
actually, if you've played for months and you HAVE pvp'd, but all you've done is tackle... and the rest of your experience is mining... yes, you have done something wrong; possibly several somethings wrong.
it is very possible to play a game wrong. if i play for several months... what am i skilling? if i'm skilling to pvp; then, why would i STILL be tackling, several months into play? if you're mining and tackling; do you enjoy doing those things? if not; then why are you STILL doing those things, months into the game? yes, it's very possible to do something wrong and be wrong as a result.
how long does it take you to level to 70 in wow? then, how long does it take you to progress to the point that you've got the same "level/tier" of purple/epic gear as the vets? is all that grinding enjoyable?
compare that to a game where you DON'T have to grind to gain levels in your chosen skills. compare that to a game where you can specialize in several dozen areas, versus HAVING to get that "one good" talent build in wow...
so, you spec'd for stealth bombers/exploration and that's not what you want to do this month? oh, i see you already have a racial frigate to lvl 5, maybe you could train for intys or electronic attack ships and give those a go? no skill trained is wasted, because you can always build onto those skills. even if all someone has done is mine/tackle for several months... if they've actually been training for those several months, odds are they have a number of other skills upon which they can build...
sorry, but especially in a game like eve, you CAN be doing it all wrong. good news is that it really doesn't take long to make something good out of a mess.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?