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  • KilguriKilguri Member Posts: 119

    Okay, I am going to bite, it's too early in the am to care about it anyhow.
    Djin, freedom of speech and idiocy are two different things mate, and sadly in cases like yours they go hand to hand. It is true I cannot deny you your right to say whats on your mind (altho keep in mind this is a private site, and there are those who can and your freedom of speech shouts can do nothing there... just to point this out), but for a moment I wasn't trying there. All I was doing was point out you make arguments (valid or not is not the case right now) like a 7 years old boy. Seriously, look at your posts, no matter what the author originally says - you reply with something along the lines of 'poopie' or 'doodoo', come on, time to grow up.

    So far, here's how this thread has been going,
    Original question - WoW graphics or EQ2 graphics?
    Djin replies - EQ2 sux! WoW teh win.
    someone replies - I think WoW graphics look better.
    Djin replies - EQ2 sux! SoE sux too!
    someone replies - I like EQ2 graphics more, altho it has little effect on playability.
    Djin replies - EQ2 sux! WoW r0x!
    I then reply - in my opinion, EQ2 graphics are better. And by the way Djin, you're acting like you just got home from kindergarten.


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  • KilguriKilguri Member Posts: 119

    Djin replies - EQ2 sux! WoW r0x! I have teh freedom of speech so I can say EQ2 sux! SoE sux! nananana you can't take my freedom of speech away! EQ2suxEQ2suxEQ2suxEQ2sux.
    someone replies - In all honesty, I think DnL will take the cake in this category.
    Djin replies - EQ2 sux!

    So, you see, you may have all the freedom of speech you want, but it will not make you sound as if you're more than a repetative broken record.

    And on that newbie comment, well, one thing I have to say. Quality over quantity, that's something to live by bucko.

    [Sorry bout the split, wouldn't fit in one post]

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  • jimhusjimhus Member UncommonPosts: 180



    Originally posted by Kilguri

    Djin replies - EQ2 sux! WoW r0x! I have teh freedom of speech so I can say EQ2 sux! SoE sux! nananana you can't take my freedom of speech away! EQ2suxEQ2suxEQ2suxEQ2sux.
    someone replies - In all honesty, I think DnL will take the cake in this category.
    Djin replies - EQ2 sux!



    You are way off... you forgot the Gumby pictures!

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  • Mad-E-FactMad-E-Fact Member Posts: 70



    Originally posted by horrid

    Something interesting about human characters is that if you try to do them realistic and miss they look more fake to the human eye because we know what we should be seeing.  EQ2 looks like that to me, they tried to go real, missed and its like a huge slap in the face every time I see a screen shot. 
    WoW went the other way and it works.  Our brain doesn't kick and and tell us something is wrong because it doesn't have a starting point to work from. 
    Not everyone is wired the same way, some peoples brains seem to not trigger on EQ2s style of tried to be real but missed.  I expect they are the people who like eq2 better, they see it as more real without the huge backlash I get looking at it.  I see WoW as looking more real (odd isn't it) because it doesn't walk up and slap me in the face every time I look at it, I can let myself sink into the world without getting kicked back to reality.
    No one can ever win this argument, its all to do with how your brain is wired.  I like some aspects of eq2s graphics, some of the monsters are cool, environments detailed but I just can't get over those character models in the screen shots.  Who knows how good they look when they move, movement changes things.



    Why, thank you! :) I was just done explaining the same thing over here:

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm/setstart/41/loadthread/23370/loadforum/51/loadclass/35

  • eeargyeeargy Member Posts: 300

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    Oh sweet Jesus. *speechless* ::::06::::::05::::::03::::::04::::::29::

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  • waveslayerwaveslayer Member UncommonPosts: 609

    IMO both games have nice graphics, but very different artistic styles. To prefer one over the other is fine, but, to actually say one is great and one sucks in a technocal way is ludicris and smacks of fanboiism in its most irrational form.image

    That said I have seen screenshots of EQ2 that are spectacular, I played WoW stress test and some of the art I saw was nothing but awe inspiring.

    I will be playing WoW, simply becuase with a job, family and active lifestyle, WoWs gameplay and features cater more to my casual gaming style then EQ2s hardcore gamer aproach. 

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  • RealmreaverRealmreaver Member Posts: 380

    Now first off I HATE SOE and how they pooched loyal players for the last what? 3 years? SW:G is the cream of the foul in my mind.....

    Bearing that in mind....

    I like the 'look' of EQ2 as far as backgrounds go. What I seen of their armor looks as plastic as those who wear it. If they wasn't trying so dang hard to make EQ2 characters look real I wouldn't be critical but since they are? EQ1 characters currently look more realistic. Mind you this is just what movies and images I saw of EQ2.

    WoW doesn't try to be realistic as much as cartoonie which they did for good or bad in your eyes. I look forward to WoW cause it gave me that 'classic EQ' feel.

    Also my system could be concidered medium for running games. I can run SW:G pretty good but I dread EQ2.

    My 2 cents.

     

    Former Stress Tester of WoW

    Realmreaver formally of EQ, SWG, FFXI and WoW.

    Malis/Pirotess of PSO.

    Some named of Diablo 1 and 2 =)

    Grendel Kinguard of GW.

  • RealmreaverRealmreaver Member Posts: 380
    Originally posted by remyburke

    I honestly dont see how u guys are bashing EQ2's graphics, name another MMO with better graphics. Try as u may u wont be able to. It's fine if u dont like the graphics but to say they suck...i just dont see it.
    Star Wars Galaxies has characters that looks more realistic. /shrug

    Former Stress Tester of WoW

    Realmreaver formally of EQ, SWG, FFXI and WoW.

    Malis/Pirotess of PSO.

    Some named of Diablo 1 and 2 =)

    Grendel Kinguard of GW.

  • KilguriKilguri Member Posts: 119

    I think SW:G graphics aren't any better, It's easy to judge a game by some screenshots, but like I said before you can tone down the graphic settings of EQ2 and it will make the skin look much more appealing rather than the plastic dolls they look like on most of the screenshots.

    One thing I'd give to SW:G tho is the great character customization, it just beats any single MMOG out there, altho EQ2 comes close by. EQ2 really lacks the ability to modify the body features, you can only change the size which is a uniform scale of the entire model. That and another thing I don't like about EQ2 is the similarity between all the elf models.

    But that said, EQ2 has some really magnificent graphics and it would take SW:G, if D&DO or any of the upcoming MMOGs have better graphics? to find that out we will have to wait and see.

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  • kmimmorpgkmimmorpg Member Posts: 624

    Based on these 2 pictures alone? I like the first one.

    The second one seems fuzzy and the picture is darker. So probably not a fair comparison. With that said, the second picture reminds me of the rendering I've seen in DAoC (or was it Anarchy Online or Risk Your Life)? It just looks older. The bodies look blockier (?).

     

  • ChoppSueyChoppSuey Member Posts: 1

    "WoWs graphics are pritty cool , EQ2s graphics are more ''new'' in a sense and have a more realistic persona to them...i like EQ2s better. WoW's graphics are cooler but the engine looks outdated if you compare the enviroments with EQ2s. I just hope some of the high end armor is cool looking in EQ2 , which im sure it will be , i remeber in EQ i didnt like any of the more lower end gears physical appearance but once you get up there in levels the gear definetly starts looking pritty pimp."

    *mumble mumble* This is kinda off topic but ! Im definitly making some kind of plate class in EQ2 or WoW lol... iv been a monk ever since pre-kunark in EQlive and other than my weapons, and tinting my ugly armor i havent changed a bit lol (and im up in there were i should be looking "pritty pimp") No fair ! lol

     

    Onto the topic.... i like EQ2 graphics, hopefully they will run withought too much lag though... thats up good point about the WoW cartoony graphics. I do like both though, just a diferent style.

  • XtermXterm Member Posts: 1
    Being a big Fan of the WC Series for the past several years it is hard Not to Enjoy and love the graphics of WOW. In EQ1 the graphics of the World and Charicter models were very well done  and looked like it actually Fit. In my opinion EQ2 has a nice Background With a charicter model stuck in it like a bad SCi FI movie. Sure i know pictures never do a game justice, but from what i have seen the Charicters Just look out of Place. As For WOW, everything seems to flow really nicely and everything seems like it matches. So my Vote goes to WOW.

  • GrendilGrendil Member Posts: 15

     The thing is people are confusing 2 different things. First is graphical presentation (Art). This is how the graphics appeal to you. How they look. This is very subjective. Your preconceptions of what elves are "suppose" to look like greatly influence this.

    The second is graphical ability (Graphic Power). How the engine works and what can be done. This is how many light sources the program can effectively use, different levels of texturing and mapping. How many polygons and shading. This is more objective.

    These links are each a picture with animals in them. One is a bear http://www.blizzard.com/wow/images/screens/all/ss036.jpg from WoW and one is an Elephant http://everquest2.station.sony.com//screenshots/general/036.jpg from EQ2. The elephant might look too real or not exactly real. Might appear clay like etc... This is graphical presentation. You can say the bear looks cartoon like or not real, etc... This comparrison of course would be much more valid with 2 elephants or 2 bears, but this is not my point.

    When you look at the graphical ability (what is being done) this can be compared between any two objects, as you aren't looking at how it looks but rather WHY IT LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES. If you look at the Elephant you notice a detailed texturing and shading. The shadowing of the elephant and its shadow on the ground are both symetrical. The bear in the WoW picture has some shadowing but it is strictly a texture and not based on a light source. it doesn't even have a shadow rendered in this picture. I thought that it might be night time and that is why there was no shadow, but i have checked many Screens and there is very little light representation in any of the pics. There are many other differences if you look closely...

    This is one of the reasons why the EQ2 engine is too advanced to do long hair. The EQ2 engine renders hair on a strand by strand basis in order for this to look realistic they have to render a ton of hairs. The WoW graphical engine takes a textured color map and uses that as hair. In other words it doesn't look like a bunch of hairs, but rather like one piece of hair that is textured to look like many.

    There are many many subtle differences like this that make the EQ2 engine truely state of the art. It is fine if you say that you like the way WoW looks over EQ2 or vice versa, but as far as graphical ability I feel EQ2 is truly a superior engine, and I think has far superior graphics. 

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  • GrendilGrendil Member Posts: 15

    Here are the pics if it lets me link from the blizzard and soe web pagesimage.....

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  • jimhusjimhus Member UncommonPosts: 180




    Originally posted by Grendil


    ... This is how the graphics appeal to you. How they look. This is very objective.


    A good, thoughtful post - but I believe you meant subjective. Appeal is almost entirely subjective.

    I agree with the balance of the post, although a strand-by-strand rendering seems overkill for any of today's engines.

  • eeargyeeargy Member Posts: 300

    After following this discussion, I've changed my opinion.

    Previously I would have said that the EQ2 graphics are technically better, due to them having a huge amount of polygons, bump mapping etc, while the WoW graphics are aesthetically better (they're infinitely more pleasing to my eye).

    However having thought about it, I've decided the WoW graphics are actually technically better.

    Before you EQ2 fans all blow your lids, hear me out...

    Dictionary definition of the word "technical": Of, relating to, or derived from technique.

    In other words, it ain't what you got, it's how you use it.

    In my opinion (which of course will be dismissed by some of you with little or no explanation why, out of sheer inconvenience as is de rigeur on this forum) Blizzard have achieved a far more artistically pleasing effect using their technique of minimal polygons combined with maximum design, and thus WoW's graphics are not only artistically better, they are also technically better than those of EQ2.

    Now you can blow your lids.

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  • ThoomThoom Member Posts: 436

    At least the EQ2 engine is geared for up coming technology, I suppose they won't have to over haul the game engine 2-3 times a year. I imagine as better graphics cards come out, EQ2 graphics will get better.

    Both graphics look good however, hey as long as it isn't stick figures I am happy.

    I would put my money on a elephant vs a bear fight ...GOOOO Dumbo kick Boo Boos arse!

     

  • GrendilGrendil Member Posts: 15

    Yup I meant subjective, need to work on my proof redaing skillz. Thanks will make the change.

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  • GrendilGrendil Member Posts: 15

    Eeargy I completely agree with you. SoE could do much more with their graphic engine. The problem being that I think they could do so much more that. 1. You would never be able to afford the system that you would need to actually play the game. 2. They would take another year atleast to code and get everythign looking the way they truly want.  There is a ton of wasted resources in the EQ2 engine, but I think that is a good thing. Leaves plenty of room for improvement.

    On the other hand the artistical rendering of WoW is great, but I am looking for a MMORPG that is heading toward a more real life / cinema-like experience. With its current engine and design they really won't ever be able to improve the look without out a major redesign of....well to be perfectly honest the entire game. This is one of the major reasons that EQ2 came out. They had to recode everything and decided to try to make it a better game in the process. Although EQ2 might not look as artistically or aesthetically appealing to some, I feel it is deffinitely moving in the right direction, or atleast the direction I want image.

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  • aeric67aeric67 Member UncommonPosts: 798

    All I have to do is go HERE and I get pumped about this game all over again. Just do a read through and take your time. Implementation is everything, but damn, that description sounds good...

    In fact, I suggest anyone thinking of criticising EQ2 read through the sections in that site first as a primer. Most of us have played the WoW beta (stress or otherwise), so we've [I've] already had a primer to criticise that one ::::02::


    EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to mention graphics. I think EQ2's graphics are okay, but not the best (not even close). But they aren't terrible either. I've always seen EQ2 and WoW as having different styles anyway (like Monet and Van Gogh), so that doesn't compel me to play one or another. It's all about gameplay and longevity that gets me involved.

  • aLeX666aLeX666 Member Posts: 153
    Unreal Engine  3.0 > all, period.

    "I am trying to see things from your perspective but I just can't get my head that far up my @$$."

  • KilguriKilguri Member Posts: 119


    Originally posted by Grendil
    Here are the pics if it lets me link from the blizzard and soe web pagesimage.....
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    These images are poor comparison, you really can't compare open plains during daytime to a dark forest... gee, I wonder which has a better atmosphere. But judging from those two screenshots, EQ2 graphics look much smoother (compare the fibra in EQ2 and WoW, the latter one looks really outdated), yet graphic quality, appeal, performance, atmosphere and immersion are completely different things.

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  • AcaeusAcaeus Member Posts: 193

    Screen shots are nice and all but they don't show one of the most important aspect of video game realism IMO which is the quality of the animation.

    I'm not even talking about how the chars run or fight, even though its very important as well (horizons is really bad on that), I'm talking about how the textures match the movement, how well everything works together when things are actually moving, when everything is alive.

  • KilguriKilguri Member Posts: 119


    Originally posted by Acaeus
    Screen shots are nice and all but they don't show one of the most important aspect of video game realism IMO which is the quality of the animation.
    I'm not even talking about how the chars run or fight, even though its very important as well (horizons is really bad on that), I'm talking about how the textures match the movement, how well everything works together when things are actually moving, when everything is alive.

    EQ2 Movies
    WoW Movies

    There, do I get a cookie now? ::::02::

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  • kmimmorpgkmimmorpg Member Posts: 624



    Originally posted by Kilguri




    Originally posted by Acaeus
    Screen shots are nice and all but they don't show one of the most important aspect of video game realism IMO which is the quality of the animation.
    I'm not even talking about how the chars run or fight, even though its very important as well (horizons is really bad on that), I'm talking about how the textures match the movement, how well everything works together when things are actually moving, when everything is alive.



    EQ2 Movies
    WoW Movies

    There, do I get a cookie now? ::::02::




    Aren't these movies just for advertisement? Does actual gameplay look like this?

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