I still say that by the time Darkfall goes live you will either have 1) servers with no equipment loss
2) a system where you can "bind" a certain amount of items
3) an insurance system where if you pay for your insurance you respawn with the same items you lost. lets be real no one wants to run to the armory after they die in a city siege to get a new set of armor. I think the Insurance system will be the most likely.
Then don't play the game if you have such an issue with penalty for dying.
Freaking carebear <<
I love it that they have a risk, compared to other games. I mean seriously, ooh i died and got a battle penalty which i can take away by paying a small fee. Or a small exp loss. That's so lame and there's no Risk Vs Reward.
And if the fella is trying to attack you, just make sure you've trained your sprint/run ability. Who can catch someone that runs 1/3 faster than him?
The speed of the mole and the power of steel is my weapon
There should be an option to flag yourself non-killable by other players. Since farming is in the game I would not like to be killed while taken care of my crops.
There should be an option to flag yourself non-killable by other players. Since farming is in the game I would not like to be killed while taken care of my crops.
Can you think a bit further then for yourself ? What would happen if this get implemented and all use this "feature" in every situation ?
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I hope this game doesnt turn out to be lots of naked chars running round trying to equip themselevs for the next fight! i like to spend most my time fighting not equipping then again it could just be the so called self confessed hardcore players on this site are ruining the rep of DF. I have to admit i used to argue that i'm not carebear but recently it seems its more respectable to be carebear than hardcore. you can tell real hardcore players...they are not on forums claiming to be hardcore!
If gear is so insignificant, then why will removing player looting ruin the game? If players do not value their gear then why will they fear dying? If a naked player can beat a fully armoured player why will players bother spending money or time to earn gear at all?
Because no matter how any times people keep repeating it none of those things are completely true. However the developers intend to strike a balance where those things will be more nearly true than in the vast majority of current MMOs. How well they do remains to be seen.
Since we've seen little of DF its hard to answer questions like this. Closest parallel I can make is with EVE.
In EVE we follow a rule, never fly what you can't afford to lose. So, if I'm about to go out into a fight where I'm certain ship loss is imminent I grab something cheap, easily insured and that I don't care much about losing. (like an 8M ISK cruiser) If I'm heading out in a huge fleet where I'm pretty sure we're going to destroy our opponents (or I'll have a good chance to run) I'l break out the 250M ISK Battleship.
So I rather expect in DF the same will be true. If' I am leaving town and am pretty sure I'm about to hit a gank squad solo, I'll grab a sword and go out naked (or wear some cheap, easily replaced gear.) However if my guild is getting a 40 man together, expect me to put on the good stuff, but even then, I figure I'll be able to replace it even if its lost in battle. (just like the 250M ISK BS I mentioned above)
And don't get me wrong, I'm a cheap SOB and hate losing. So just because I'm flying an 8M ISK cruiser doesn't mean I don't fear dying (hate seeing my name on the wrong side of the killboard) so I play just as hard no matter what ship I'm flying. (OK, except for T1 Frigates, don't really care what happens to me then, but thats sort of like fighting naked)
To the last point. While it might be true a highly skilled, but naked player could beat a geared character, that's not the way to bet unless the skill differences are extraordinary. And truthfully, if a player knows he's that good, he'll have no fear of putting on his best gear, because he knows he isn't going to lose, and the gear only serves to make it that much more so.
Look, I'm a carebear by nature, and I don't like dying or losing my gear. But just like my fear of needles when I was a child, I've learned to overcome my fear of PVP and now days play on nothing but games which have strong PVP with reward/penalty games. (and I'm still a carebear, but I do love a good fight now and then, and thrill to escaping the gankers)
So give DF a chance. A lot will depend on how the Dev's implement this system, but hey, they've had 7 years to mull this over, maybe they'll get it right.
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While having player looting will severely limit their player base, I think a lot of gamers are happy to see this in an MMO being released in the near future. One thing that disappoints me about WAR is the fact that there is no penalty for death, except for about 20 seconds waiting to be ressurected.
Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game? Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole! I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
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Originally posted by ParkCarsHere While having player looting will severely limit their player base, I think a lot of gamers are happy to see this in an MMO being released in the near future. One thing that disappoints me about WAR is the fact that there is no penalty for death, except for about 20 seconds waiting to be ressurected.
I believe it will serverely increase the player base, the reason I and many others dont play the current watered down brand of mmorpgs, is because pvp makes no sense having no risk/reward.
We already have hundreds of mmorpgs with no player looting, and none with full loot that I can think of.
I am keeping an eye on DF myself. Looting players is a blast as long as the gear is easily replaceable. Love all the PVP folks that think they are hardcore pvp until you add: 1. Penalties 2. Looting Players 3. Dropping loot for being a greifer and negative kharma Good for DF.
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Some people really don't know what PvP really means........
Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game? Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole! I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
This is what me and all others think about your pathetic thread over at the DF forums? you really have no clue and are deluded if you think the devs are going to change anything for you or anyone else.
If you don`t like it their are plenty of other mmorpg for you to play.
One should make a list of the people who talk about partial loot, item insurances and no-loot server . Then loot them ingame again and again and again and again... taking a brief break to hand their hard earned stuff to some random passing newb and return to looting them again and again and again...
Carebear to the rescue! Let the big boys play now, run along.
Its funny how masochism equates to "big boys" and everyone else is a carebear these days.
Yeah heh, but what I really find funny are people trying to force their belief system on a game. I know that when I don't like a particular game or how it works, I don't play it. I know there's pleny of people who want to play WAR and WoW where there are no consequences to death and that's cool. But there are people *gasp* that want the challenge of a full loot system. If that's not your cup of tea, don't play it. It's really not rocket science.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game? Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole! I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game? Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole! I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game? Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole! I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
Having some consequence ingame will satisfy me alot.
Finally a game with some meaning. No carebear easy game mode anymore.
But even more i wanna loot you'rs. That would satisfy me the most.
Developers makes Darkfall as much for themself as for us their fans, so good luck trying to change the game from within.
The hardcore PvP community alone is enough to make Darkfall prosper.
We dont need the carebears that wont even try to adapt.
Darkfall full loot is here to stay. It's one of the foundations in the game.
Have a nice day
The lure of money is a strong hunger and your "hardcore pvp" community isn't large enought to satiate it.
Have a nice day.
Theres so many people accepting and wanting the Darkfall concept. Theres more of us then you can imagine. We dont need carebears with a no intention to adapt to Darkfall core concept.
Darkfall going carebear and become like Warhammer isnt something Darkfall Developers would allow. Thats why they worked so hard for total control of the game, even after release. Darkfall is the Developers dream of a game they wanna play, not just a cashcow. Thats why i admire them so much.
Im not the slightest worried that Darkfall will have the same poor faith as UO had when carebear ruined that game from within.
Clones save skill, not gear you lose all implants(and have to be killed twice). With the exception of a few "insurance fraud" ships like Caldari cruisers net insurance won't replace the ship fully and no hope for recovering module costs which can be significantly in excess of ship costs. You lose everything you have with you when you die in Eve - which is essentially full loot to the one who does the dying. They have mechanics around it suited to Eve but if you undocked wrong it can be very painful and you learn. That is the case even if the victor doesn't get everything you have and only what is left.
Insurance softens the blow. You don't lose everything.
Clones soften the blow. You don't lose everything
Your ship gets destroyed and some, at times most, of it can't be recovered. I don't get eveything.
That's not full loot. Full loot is you lose everything and I can get it. Darkfall is full loot. Everything you're carrying and wearing drops and the victor can get it. No insurace, no chance of it not dropping, no bound items. Full loot.
Theres no skill loss on death so the clone comparison is irrelevant but on the issue of ships and insurance I have to point out that where eve has insurace DF has the idea that your gear is not entirely lost. Yes it is all availible to be looted, but the other person would need to or want to loot and carry it all... From the bag layout they will likely require that you drag items over from their bag to yours not loot all option. Plus now they have your stuff... go get it back! the insta travel is said to be rare so escaping with your loot isn't always a given.
while this isn't insurance it does give you a chance to quickly retake what you've lost.
Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game? Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole! I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
Having some consequence ingame will satisfy me alot.
Finally a game with some meaning. No carebear easy game mode anymore.
But even more i wanna loot you'rs. That would satisfy me the most.
Developers makes Darkfall as much for themself as for us their fans, so good luck trying to change the game from within.
The hardcore PvP community alone is enough to make Darkfall prosper.
We dont need the carebears that wont even try to adapt.
Darkfall full loot is here to stay. It's one of the foundations in the game.
Have a nice day
The lure of money is a strong hunger and your "hardcore pvp" community isn't large enought to satiate it.
Have a nice day.
Tell that to EVE Online and the over 100,000 users registerd on the forums :P They're making a game for gamers. Something out of passion. Big developers should try it now and again so their multi million dollar titles don't fail like Spore and Force Unleashed.
I just got a bad feeling here! Maybe the OP is serious? What do we do than? Just the fact that people like that really exsits is scary. Have we lost an entire MMO generation to MMOs without purpose? A scary thought!
I just got a bad feeling here! Maybe the OP is serious? What do we do than? Just the fact that people like that really exsits is scary. Have we lost an entire MMO generation to MMOs without purpose? A scary thought!
Go look at how the patition is doing. It's a long list of flames.
well it happens. a lot of people are mad that mmorpgs arent as challenging as could be, and for someone to be trying to mess with the elite or risk hungry gamers new found bread and butter,could bring about some nasty comments
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Then don't play the game if you have such an issue with penalty for dying.
Freaking carebear <<
I love it that they have a risk, compared to other games. I mean seriously, ooh i died and got a battle penalty which i can take away by paying a small fee. Or a small exp loss. That's so lame and there's no Risk Vs Reward.
And if the fella is trying to attack you, just make sure you've trained your sprint/run ability. Who can catch someone that runs 1/3 faster than him?
The speed of the mole and the power of steel is my weapon
There should be an option to flag yourself non-killable by other players. Since farming is in the game I would not like to be killed while taken care of my crops.
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Can you think a bit further then for yourself ? What would happen if this get implemented and all use this "feature" in every situation ?
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I hope this game doesnt turn out to be lots of naked chars running round trying to equip themselevs for the next fight! i like to spend most my time fighting not equipping
then again it could just be the so called self confessed hardcore players on this site are ruining the rep of DF. I have to admit i used to argue that i'm not carebear but recently it seems its more respectable to be carebear than hardcore. you can tell real hardcore players...they are not on forums claiming to be hardcore!
Because no matter how any times people keep repeating it none of those things are completely true. However the developers intend to strike a balance where those things will be more nearly true than in the vast majority of current MMOs. How well they do remains to be seen.
Since we've seen little of DF its hard to answer questions like this. Closest parallel I can make is with EVE.
In EVE we follow a rule, never fly what you can't afford to lose. So, if I'm about to go out into a fight where I'm certain ship loss is imminent I grab something cheap, easily insured and that I don't care much about losing. (like an 8M ISK cruiser) If I'm heading out in a huge fleet where I'm pretty sure we're going to destroy our opponents (or I'll have a good chance to run) I'l break out the 250M ISK Battleship.
So I rather expect in DF the same will be true. If' I am leaving town and am pretty sure I'm about to hit a gank squad solo, I'll grab a sword and go out naked (or wear some cheap, easily replaced gear.) However if my guild is getting a 40 man together, expect me to put on the good stuff, but even then, I figure I'll be able to replace it even if its lost in battle. (just like the 250M ISK BS I mentioned above)
And don't get me wrong, I'm a cheap SOB and hate losing. So just because I'm flying an 8M ISK cruiser doesn't mean I don't fear dying (hate seeing my name on the wrong side of the killboard) so I play just as hard no matter what ship I'm flying. (OK, except for T1 Frigates, don't really care what happens to me then, but thats sort of like fighting naked)
To the last point. While it might be true a highly skilled, but naked player could beat a geared character, that's not the way to bet unless the skill differences are extraordinary. And truthfully, if a player knows he's that good, he'll have no fear of putting on his best gear, because he knows he isn't going to lose, and the gear only serves to make it that much more so.
Look, I'm a carebear by nature, and I don't like dying or losing my gear. But just like my fear of needles when I was a child, I've learned to overcome my fear of PVP and now days play on nothing but games which have strong PVP with reward/penalty games. (and I'm still a carebear, but I do love a good fight now and then, and thrill to escaping the gankers)
So give DF a chance. A lot will depend on how the Dev's implement this system, but hey, they've had 7 years to mull this over, maybe they'll get it right.
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While having player looting will severely limit their player base, I think a lot of gamers are happy to see this in an MMO being released in the near future. One thing that disappoints me about WAR is the fact that there is no penalty for death, except for about 20 seconds waiting to be ressurected.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=69536
Carebear to the rescue!
Let the big boys play now, run along.
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I believe it will serverely increase the player base, the reason I and many others dont play the current watered down brand of mmorpgs, is because pvp makes no sense having no risk/reward.
We already have hundreds of mmorpgs with no player looting, and none with full loot that I can think of.
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Some people really don't know what PvP really means........
This is what me and all others think about your pathetic thread over at the DF forums? you really have no clue and are deluded if you think the devs are going to change anything for you or anyone else.
If you don`t like it their are plenty of other mmorpg for you to play.
Bye.
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
Its funny how masochism equates to "big boys" and everyone else is a carebear these days.
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One should make a list of the people who talk about partial loot, item insurances and no-loot server . Then loot them ingame again and again and again and again... taking a brief break to hand their hard earned stuff to some random passing newb and return to looting them again and again and again...
That will probably cure their item-addiction.
Its funny how masochism equates to "big boys" and everyone else is a carebear these days.
Yeah heh, but what I really find funny are people trying to force their belief system on a game. I know that when I don't like a particular game or how it works, I don't play it. I know there's pleny of people who want to play WAR and WoW where there are no consequences to death and that's cool. But there are people *gasp* that want the challenge of a full loot system. If that's not your cup of tea, don't play it. It's really not rocket science.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
I want to loose my easy earned gear.
Having some consequence ingame will satisfy me alot.
Finally a game with some meaning. No carebear easy game mode anymore.
But even more i wanna loot you'rs. That would satisfy me the most.
Developers makes Darkfall as much for themself as for us their fans, so good luck trying to change the game from within.
The hardcore PvP community alone is enough to make Darkfall prosper.
We dont need the carebears that wont even try to adapt.
Darkfall full loot is here to stay. It's one of the foundations in the game.
Have a nice day
I want to loose my easy earned gear.
Having some consequence ingame will satisfy me alot.
Finally a game with some meaning. No carebear easy game mode anymore.
But even more i wanna loot you'rs. That would satisfy me the most.
Developers makes Darkfall as much for themself as for us their fans, so good luck trying to change the game from within.
The hardcore PvP community alone is enough to make Darkfall prosper.
We dont need the carebears that wont even try to adapt.
Darkfall full loot is here to stay. It's one of the foundations in the game.
Have a nice day
The lure of money is a strong hunger and your "hardcore pvp" community isn't large enought to satiate it.
Have a nice day.
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I want to loose my easy earned gear.
Having some consequence ingame will satisfy me alot.
Finally a game with some meaning. No carebear easy game mode anymore.
But even more i wanna loot you'rs. That would satisfy me the most.
Developers makes Darkfall as much for themself as for us their fans, so good luck trying to change the game from within.
The hardcore PvP community alone is enough to make Darkfall prosper.
We dont need the carebears that wont even try to adapt.
Darkfall full loot is here to stay. It's one of the foundations in the game.
Have a nice day
The lure of money is a strong hunger and your "hardcore pvp" community isn't large enought to satiate it.
Have a nice day.
Theres so many people accepting and wanting the Darkfall concept. Theres more of us then you can imagine. We dont need carebears with a no intention to adapt to Darkfall core concept.
Darkfall going carebear and become like Warhammer isnt something Darkfall Developers would allow. Thats why they worked so hard for total control of the game, even after release. Darkfall is the Developers dream of a game they wanna play, not just a cashcow. Thats why i admire them so much.
Im not the slightest worried that Darkfall will have the same poor faith as UO had when carebear ruined that game from within.
Have a nice day
ROFLMAO, funniest thread ever !!!
Insurance softens the blow. You don't lose everything.
Clones soften the blow. You don't lose everything
Your ship gets destroyed and some, at times most, of it can't be recovered. I don't get eveything.
That's not full loot. Full loot is you lose everything and I can get it. Darkfall is full loot. Everything you're carrying and wearing drops and the victor can get it. No insurace, no chance of it not dropping, no bound items. Full loot.
Theres no skill loss on death so the clone comparison is irrelevant but on the issue of ships and insurance I have to point out that where eve has insurace DF has the idea that your gear is not entirely lost. Yes it is all availible to be looted, but the other person would need to or want to loot and carry it all... From the bag layout they will likely require that you drag items over from their bag to yours not loot all option. Plus now they have your stuff... go get it back! the insta travel is said to be rare so escaping with your loot isn't always a given.
while this isn't insurance it does give you a chance to quickly retake what you've lost.
I want to loose my easy earned gear.
Having some consequence ingame will satisfy me alot.
Finally a game with some meaning. No carebear easy game mode anymore.
But even more i wanna loot you'rs. That would satisfy me the most.
Developers makes Darkfall as much for themself as for us their fans, so good luck trying to change the game from within.
The hardcore PvP community alone is enough to make Darkfall prosper.
We dont need the carebears that wont even try to adapt.
Darkfall full loot is here to stay. It's one of the foundations in the game.
Have a nice day
The lure of money is a strong hunger and your "hardcore pvp" community isn't large enought to satiate it.
Have a nice day.
Tell that to EVE Online and the over 100,000 users registerd on the forums :P They're making a game for gamers. Something out of passion. Big developers should try it now and again so their multi million dollar titles don't fail like Spore and Force Unleashed.
Also... don't feed the obvious troll!!
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I just got a bad feeling here! Maybe the OP is serious? What do we do than? Just the fact that people like that really exsits is scary. Have we lost an entire MMO generation to MMOs without purpose? A scary thought!
Go look at how the patition is doing. It's a long list of flames.
23?
Yes and 21 of them are rants at the petition poster that he's... well... let's just say they call him some mean things.
well it happens. a lot of people are mad that mmorpgs arent as challenging as could be, and for someone to be trying to mess with the elite or risk hungry gamers new found bread and butter,could bring about some nasty comments