Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game? Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole! I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
{Mod Edit} Thankfully though you're not in charge of making Darkfall and you're even more stupid for thinking that your amusing and innefectual little petition will mean anything. What a joke!
Well enough with the obligatory insults that you deserve. Its time to reply to your dumb statements.
1. Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does!
Well thanks for speaking on behalf of everyone but I'm afraid not everyone is as retarded as you. Hard earned equipment? Its a game not a job. Since when has equipment been "hard to earn" in any mmo? How hard is it to go and buy some more armour and weapons? It will be a refreshing change to have an element of danger back in an mmo. Gosh ya mean dieing might actually mean something and have a consequence? Surely not!
2. This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays
Yeah thats because there arent any you moron......well......at least not any good ones that arent either old and outdated or just level based gear centric ganking grounds that were originally designed as a PvE game. Great so ONE game comes out that has player looting in it and you start crying like a baby. So you want Darkfall to be like other mmos do you? Well....ummm.....go and play other mmos then that dont have player looting.
3. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type
Exactly! Like I just said, there really arent any mmos around at all that allow player looting. Its great to see a game coming out that breaks the mold for a change. Finally I will be able to choose to play a game that has an element of risk.
4. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole!
So basicly your a brain dead zombie that wants to be guided along a progression path by a themepark mmo and the only way you can feel any sense of purpose in a game is by collecting "stuff". What about fighting to defend a player built city or becoming a hunter/gatherer who supplies crafters with the skins and furs they require for their trade? You progress by becoming good at what you do.....not by collecting stuff which is something any moron can do. There are plenty of games designed just for you already so just go and play them instead. Whats the value of having an item if you can never lose it? Why can you never lose it anyway? Is it superglued to your hand? I want to slay my enemy, take his great big flaming hammer of doom and start using it on his mates!
5. I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
No you dont. You want Darkfall to be a completely different type of game......a game that is similar to the shit you are already used to playing. The approach Aventurine is taking will only lead to the failure of attracting you as a player which is a great thing in my opinion
6. Sign my petition
No thanks. At least you will be giving Aventurine a good laugh. I really hope you send it.
A few thousand? As in 5-10 thousand? UO:T2A was the first to reach a 100k player base, 10 years ago. The MMO market has expanded times and times since then. The game isn't going to be a WoW killer, it isn't even trying to be one. I don't expect it's subscribers to become even more than EVE's. But by the way it looks it will get at minimum 100k subscribers, which is enough for LoTRO to keep kicking and release patches and expansions.
AC Darktide is a hardcore server. And it has maybe a couple thousand people playing it. It wouldn't even exist anymore if it wasn't for the PVE servers.
So you can claim that hundreds of thousands of people want a hardcore game. It aint gonna happen
The number is already passed 119k so what makes you think it won't reach several 100k? There are still people playing UO after all these years and they trashed the original game. Just because WoW and carebear PvP is popular with a lot of the younger generation doesn't mean there isn't a market for it, 119k+ and growing say otherwise. You can throw out your opinions as fact all day long but at the end of the day it really doesn't matter because Aventurine has already spoken so people can take it or leave it.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Actually full looting worked quite well in UO. Made you think what you wore. Most people just wore crafted items because they were inexpensive and easy to replace. The trick to make this work well, crafted items have to be fairly inexpensive and have a small disparity between crafted items and really good items. EA destroyed this in the Age of Shadows expansion when they added in fancy weapons and insurance.
Aventurine has already spoken so people can take it or leave it.
The roma victor devs said the same thing. Then just before release they got ride of full looting.
This isn't Roma Victor, it's Darkfall.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Actually full looting worked quite well in UO. Made you think what you wore. Most people just wore crafted items because they were inexpensive and easy to replace. The trick to make this work well, crafted items have to be fairly inexpensive and have a small disparity between crafted items and really good items. EA destroyed this in the Age of Shadows expansion when they added in fancy weapons and insurance.
Absolutely! UO was a blast when it first came out because you had to plan carefully where you went and what you chose to wear there. You always had to look over your shoulders to make sure no reddies were on your tail, and when you did get into a brawl it was heart-pounding excitement.
I don't get that adrenaline rush from games these days because who cares if you lose, just respawn and jump back in. Boring.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Actually full looting worked quite well in UO. Made you think what you wore. Most people just wore crafted items because they were inexpensive and easy to replace. The trick to make this work well, crafted items have to be fairly inexpensive and have a small disparity between crafted items and really good items. EA destroyed this in the Age of Shadows expansion when they added in fancy weapons and insurance.
Stop trying to rewrite history.If it worked well, they wouldn't have gotten rid of it. And nobody has done it since because they saw what a failure it was.
Actually full looting worked quite well in UO. Made you think what you wore. Most people just wore crafted items because they were inexpensive and easy to replace. The trick to make this work well, crafted items have to be fairly inexpensive and have a small disparity between crafted items and really good items. EA destroyed this in the Age of Shadows expansion when they added in fancy weapons and insurance.
Stop trying to rewrite history.If it worked well, they wouldn't have gotten rid of it. And nobody has done it since because they saw what a failure it was.
That's simply not true, they caved in to whiners like yourself and wrecked the game.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
That's simply not true, they caved in to whiners like yourself and wrecked the game.
They wrecked the game for you. Cus then you couldn't gank noobs all day , take all their stuff, then send them hate tells and piss on their grave, etc.
That's simply not true, they caved in to whiners like yourself and wrecked the game.
They wrecked the game for you. Cus then you couldn't gank noobs all day , take all their stuff, then send them hate tells and piss on their grave, etc.
Poor guy
Actually, I'm anti-pk and kill the reddies but whatever makes you feel better.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
gank noobs all day , take all their stuff, then send them hate tells and piss on their grave, etc.
WoW has all that without the loot. But we can take the time you get ganked for lost grinding time => lost potential loot, money and xp.
Let's look at ganking in WoW. Since it's a level based game the ganker (let's say 70 S1 undead rogue) knows where to find his prey and just flies for 2-3 mins to some 30-40 zone on a PvP server. Goes there and looks for someone around spirit healers, very active quest zones or just close to a town. Finds first victim level 37 close to spirit rezzer, fighting a equal mob. Takes 80% of his hitpoints with 1 stab and lets the mob kill him resulting 10% durability loss and then kills the mob too if it's rare just to be an asshole and magically becomes invisible. Player spawns => stun&stab twice, /spit, repeat.
After time the spawnings become less frequent because of the awesome feature - ressurection timer!! And if the player decides to rez at a spirit healer he will become practically unable to do anything with his char but jumping around Ironforge for 15 minutes. The ganker can then just go gank some mid-level group infront of an instance. GG, awesome PvP amiright!! Due to huge level differences, magical invisibility, auto targeting, floating names and magical projectiles that turn behind corners ganking is childsplay. But even with all that half of WoW's servers are PvP which is at least 3 million players putting up with this crap.
While in a skill based game with manual aim, with no drastic differences between a veteran's character and a new one, no targeting, no magical invisibility, no super duper pwnzor gear, no floating names with numbers showing how strong is your opponent is things are entirely different.
You guys make me so happy. Glad to see I am not the only trammie hating looter out there. Like the previous poster, 300k would be great for subscriptions. If we get a million people, business guys step in and have to make it carebear to appease the masses. Pray that doesn't happen to Darkfall.
I don't understand why people have to change games to their liking? The FFA-PVP full loot is the core of this game, change the whole core of the game.... for you??? Why dont you just play the MANY other mmo's that dont have those features??
I don't understand why people have to change games to their liking? The FFA-PVP full loot is the core of this game, change the whole core of the game.... for you??? Why dont you just play the MANY other mmo's that dont have those features??
Because for some reason people don't understand that taking out the premise on which the game was built will actually make the entire game shit.
Two Spirits call my name... One from Glory one from Shame... Each bearing Different Flames
Never ceases to amaze, OP you really should have been paying attention to this game before hand if you're going to spend the energy to actually make a petition.... Move on there's nothing for you here.
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{Mod Edit} Thankfully though you're not in charge of making Darkfall and you're even more stupid for thinking that your amusing and innefectual little petition will mean anything. What a joke!
Well enough with the obligatory insults that you deserve. Its time to reply to your dumb statements.
1. Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does!
Well thanks for speaking on behalf of everyone but I'm afraid not everyone is as retarded as you. Hard earned equipment? Its a game not a job. Since when has equipment been "hard to earn" in any mmo? How hard is it to go and buy some more armour and weapons? It will be a refreshing change to have an element of danger back in an mmo. Gosh ya mean dieing might actually mean something and have a consequence? Surely not!
2. This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays
Yeah thats because there arent any you moron......well......at least not any good ones that arent either old and outdated or just level based gear centric ganking grounds that were originally designed as a PvE game. Great so ONE game comes out that has player looting in it and you start crying like a baby. So you want Darkfall to be like other mmos do you? Well....ummm.....go and play other mmos then that dont have player looting.
3. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type
Exactly! Like I just said, there really arent any mmos around at all that allow player looting. Its great to see a game coming out that breaks the mold for a change. Finally I will be able to choose to play a game that has an element of risk.
4. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole!
So basicly your a brain dead zombie that wants to be guided along a progression path by a themepark mmo and the only way you can feel any sense of purpose in a game is by collecting "stuff". What about fighting to defend a player built city or becoming a hunter/gatherer who supplies crafters with the skins and furs they require for their trade? You progress by becoming good at what you do.....not by collecting stuff which is something any moron can do. There are plenty of games designed just for you already so just go and play them instead. Whats the value of having an item if you can never lose it? Why can you never lose it anyway? Is it superglued to your hand? I want to slay my enemy, take his great big flaming hammer of doom and start using it on his mates!
5. I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
No you dont. You want Darkfall to be a completely different type of game......a game that is similar to the shit you are already used to playing. The approach Aventurine is taking will only lead to the failure of attracting you as a player which is a great thing in my opinion
6. Sign my petition
No thanks. At least you will be giving Aventurine a good laugh. I really hope you send it.
AC Darktide is a hardcore server. And it has maybe a couple thousand people playing it. It wouldn't even exist anymore if it wasn't for the PVE servers.
So you can claim that hundreds of thousands of people want a hardcore game. It aint gonna happen
The number is already passed 119k so what makes you think it won't reach several 100k? There are still people playing UO after all these years and they trashed the original game. Just because WoW and carebear PvP is popular with a lot of the younger generation doesn't mean there isn't a market for it, 119k+ and growing say otherwise. You can throw out your opinions as fact all day long but at the end of the day it really doesn't matter because Aventurine has already spoken so people can take it or leave it.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
The roma victor devs said the same thing. Then just before release they got ride of full looting.
Actually full looting worked quite well in UO. Made you think what you wore. Most people just wore crafted items because they were inexpensive and easy to replace. The trick to make this work well, crafted items have to be fairly inexpensive and have a small disparity between crafted items and really good items. EA destroyed this in the Age of Shadows expansion when they added in fancy weapons and insurance.
The roma victor devs said the same thing. Then just before release they got ride of full looting.
This isn't Roma Victor, it's Darkfall.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Absolutely! UO was a blast when it first came out because you had to plan carefully where you went and what you chose to wear there. You always had to look over your shoulders to make sure no reddies were on your tail, and when you did get into a brawl it was heart-pounding excitement.
I don't get that adrenaline rush from games these days because who cares if you lose, just respawn and jump back in. Boring.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Stop trying to rewrite history.If it worked well, they wouldn't have gotten rid of it. And nobody has done it since because they saw what a failure it was.
Stop trying to rewrite history.If it worked well, they wouldn't have gotten rid of it. And nobody has done it since because they saw what a failure it was.
That's simply not true, they caved in to whiners like yourself and wrecked the game.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
They wrecked the game for you. Cus then you couldn't gank noobs all day , take all their stuff, then send them hate tells and piss on their grave, etc.
Poor guy
They wrecked the game for you. Cus then you couldn't gank noobs all day , take all their stuff, then send them hate tells and piss on their grave, etc.
Poor guy
Actually, I'm anti-pk and kill the reddies but whatever makes you feel better.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
WoW has all that without the loot. But we can take the time you get ganked for lost grinding time => lost potential loot, money and xp.
Let's look at ganking in WoW. Since it's a level based game the ganker (let's say 70 S1 undead rogue) knows where to find his prey and just flies for 2-3 mins to some 30-40 zone on a PvP server. Goes there and looks for someone around spirit healers, very active quest zones or just close to a town. Finds first victim level 37 close to spirit rezzer, fighting a equal mob. Takes 80% of his hitpoints with 1 stab and lets the mob kill him resulting 10% durability loss and then kills the mob too if it's rare just to be an asshole and magically becomes invisible. Player spawns => stun&stab twice, /spit, repeat.
After time the spawnings become less frequent because of the awesome feature - ressurection timer!! And if the player decides to rez at a spirit healer he will become practically unable to do anything with his char but jumping around Ironforge for 15 minutes. The ganker can then just go gank some mid-level group infront of an instance. GG, awesome PvP amiright!! Due to huge level differences, magical invisibility, auto targeting, floating names and magical projectiles that turn behind corners ganking is childsplay. But even with all that half of WoW's servers are PvP which is at least 3 million players putting up with this crap.
While in a skill based game with manual aim, with no drastic differences between a veteran's character and a new one, no targeting, no magical invisibility, no super duper pwnzor gear, no floating names with numbers showing how strong is your opponent is things are entirely different.
Greeting guys, I've made a thread over at Forumfall - http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?p=1723614#post1723614
Dude, probably you're just a troll but i'll play along here.
Do you know how much theme park MMOs came out/are coming out this year - 2 and a expansion to one.
Do you know how much sandbox MMOs came out in the last 4 years? - NONE
Do you know how much completely skill based FFA full loot PvP sandbox MMOs came out since UO? - FUCKING NONE
There are as much PvE grindfests as you want out there. Adding Darkfall to that pile would be just awful.
I not read all the past replies.
But from the title..
Why would I want to stop Player looting, I'm all for it.
Think it's best thing since UO! Loved it there too!
Can't say you made alot of fans on that one.
Like 100% against you're idea.
Have a nice one
Lol spyhunter just got pawned over at the DF forums
So much for his dumb thread.
i fail to see how 300k subs is fail. oh yes because unless its a WoW clone its fail, diaf carebears.
I just wanted to say...
You guys make me so happy. Glad to see I am not the only trammie hating looter out there. Like the previous poster, 300k would be great for subscriptions. If we get a million people, business guys step in and have to make it carebear to appease the masses. Pray that doesn't happen to Darkfall.
Keep on Keepin on..
I don't understand why people have to change games to their liking? The FFA-PVP full loot is the core of this game, change the whole core of the game.... for you??? Why dont you just play the MANY other mmo's that dont have those features??
trolling lol...
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Because for some reason people don't understand that taking out the premise on which the game was built will actually make the entire game shit.
Two Spirits call my name... One from Glory one from Shame... Each bearing Different Flames
so when can we axe this thread? i though this thread would be dead by now please report and get it removed ...
GOD OP!!! You messed up huh?
Came to the wrong forum talking about the wrong thing. It's like going to the wrong hood wearing the wrong colors HAHA!
Don't play the game....you scared little puppy?
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Oh look it's pointless thread of the week.
Never ceases to amaze, OP you really should have been paying attention to this game before hand if you're going to spend the energy to actually make a petition.... Move on there's nothing for you here.
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Oh look, 3 DF fans paying no attention to how old this thread is.
Necro for the win I suppose
Who the hell are you, and why should I care?
Congrats! You are a victim of Trollstar!