Thanks, that was actually the sort of reply I hoped for. I didnt post it to be a dick, or a troll, or to entice either of those types to reply. All I was looking for was someone to understand that I have REASONABLE doubts. I did not make that stuff up, it was what we were being told by the devs. They never said they were remaking the game from scratch, needed to do major overhauls, or anything of the sort. It was always just out of reach. So, maybe some will understand why we have learned to be skeptical.
You should be commended Theodgrim. You presented nothing more than a extraordinarily complete history of Darkfall's convoluted development with references to back it up.
Facts are something too often lacking in discussions in the MMORPG community, not just Darkfall but any game on this site.
You are perfectly justified to say you have reasonable doubts about the game. The fact that anyone can look over that history and NOT have reasonable doubts is ridiculous.
That's not to say one can't still support and follow the game while having those doubts. But it is more than reasonable, at this point it should be mandatory to have caution color any excitement over developer annoucements or hype.
Given that history, I'm very interested to see if Aventurine will be able to pull it off. It will certainly be a epic acheivement given the past of their developement if they do.
Look at the history of mythic and funcom, obviously it holds no bearing as to the final product considering 30% of warhammer online was scrapped right before launch not to mention full of bugs, and we dont even have to talk about AoCs failure. everyone belived in them and its wrong to believe in our game? shit world of warcraft has to patch something every month to try and hotfix its host of problems, and usually just creates more.
the only thing we can judge is the final product and i have faith in it, faith that it will blow the shitty compition out of the water even if its half feature complete. we all have our doubts, everything stated by the majority of skeptics has been in our head for years, I just choose to focus on the cup being half full because this is my only hope to ressurect a dying genre. if you think thats ridiculous you just fail to understand :-P
Originally posted by winter Can anyone not understand how people would have doubts about DF, and Tasos's word after this? For most of us soon is not 3+ years.
Thanks, that was actually the sort of reply I hoped for. I didnt post it to be a dick, or a troll, or to entice either of those types to reply. All I was looking for was someone to understand that I have REASONABLE doubts. I did not make that stuff up, it was what we were being told by the devs. They never said they were remaking the game from scratch, needed to do major overhauls, or anything of the sort. It was always just out of reach. So, maybe some will understand why we have learned to be skeptical.
We all know why you skeptical , what we don't know is why you have to come here to express it ?
We know about about the past and if the past has disappointed you why you here to repeat and to repeat your doubts? You can do other things that means more to you and you have more faith in them.
The devs have the best overview of the game and they do or do not give the info to the public why and why not they released earlier...
The info that is important for the moment is that DF get beta 2008 ...
References to the past are irrelevant for this event ..if they mean something for the doubters then they should stop participating in this forum because there is nothing to accomplish here for them except to troll ..
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Well once beta is actually started then a lot more faith will be put in DFO as far as it actually releasing. However, beta is just beta. I want to actually see the game launch, successfully. Furthermore, I'd like to see it done by Q2 2009. That may be unrealistic considering how slow the progress has been up to this date.
Darkfall has a lot of great concepts that I've been waiting for such as the skill-based instead of this dumb level base crap that is always coming out and of course the sandbox feature:) but I need to see it actually function well with thousands of people logged in at the same time. Only time will tell.
Well once beta is actually started then a lot more faith will be put in DFO as far as it actually releasing. However, beta is just beta. I want to actually see the game launch, successfully. Furthermore, I'd like to see it done by Q2 2009. That may be unrealistic considering how slow the progress has been up to this date. Darkfall has a lot of great concepts that I've been waiting for such as the skill-based instead of this dumb level base crap that is always coming out and of course the sandbox feature:) but I need to see it actually function well with thousands of people logged in at the same time. Only time will tell.
The trolls change their stance as fast as the ..
First it was vaporware,
Then it was bad graphics,
Then it was going to fail,
Now entering beta stage (most cried for from the trolls) will not cut it either?
seriously, you guys crack me up
btw do you think Aventurine cares that you "furthermore would lieke to see it done by Q2 2009" who the friggin do you think you are?
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First, I understand that people have reasonable doubts about this game. However, the devs have not actually made any of the promises that many seem to think they have broken. Also, due in a large part to elusive commenting they have engaged in, they have yet to lie to us. Why should they start lying now?
Originally posted by Morrdread:
I dont see a point in there being an in-between. you either believe or you dont, whats the point in being confused about it? The people who love everything about it and believe in it will ultimatley enjoy the game that much more when it finally comes. people who doubt everything wont even enjoy themselves because they will be trying to find something wrong with it the entire time.
Morrdread, your right to post on this topic should be revoked. There is always a continum in these kinds of issues. To see things in such a dichotomy shows that you have little intelligence when it comes to this debate. In other words you have allowed your passion for DF to blind your sense of reason.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
We all know why you skeptical , what we don't know is why you have to come here to express it ? We know about about the past and if the past has disappointed you why you here to repeat and to repeat your doubts? You can do other things that means more to you and you have more faith in them. The devs have the best overview of the game and they do or do not give the info to the public why and why not they released earlier... The info that is important for the moment is that DF get beta 2008 ... References to the past are irrelevant for this event ..if they mean something for the doubters then they should stop participating in this forum because there is nothing to accomplish here for them except to troll ..
If you really dont know why I post here, let me make it clear: this is a Darkfall forum and I am interested in Darkfall.
This is not the Church of Darkfall, so my faith or lack thereof, is not an issue. The glass isnt half-full (positive connotion) or half-empty (negative connotation) but the glass simply contains 50% of its capacity. That is how I try to see it - like it is, with no spin.
And when we DO get a confirmed beta in 2008, I will believe it. Until then, it is more talk. As I have tried to show via my short history - talk is cheap and doesnt equal reality. This is not the first time I have signed up for a DF beta. Hell, my guild was even "accepted" into clan beta in 2005. As I have said before, I am not making stuff up to be a troll. I have first hand experience, and my DF login has the "Long Term Follower" tag to prove it.
I have a bit more hope that this time will different, and I still do. However, when I hear from Aventurine that they have already started public beta, yet it cant be confirmed by any other source...the history lessons kick in.
First, I understand that people have reasonable doubts about this game. However, the devs have not actually made any of the promises that many seem to think they have broken. Also, due in a large part to elusive commenting they have engaged in, they have yet to lie to us. Why should they start lying now?
Originally posted by Morrdread:
I dont see a point in there being an in-between. you either believe or you dont, whats the point in being confused about it? The people who love everything about it and believe in it will ultimatley enjoy the game that much more when it finally comes. people who doubt everything wont even enjoy themselves because they will be trying to find something wrong with it the entire time.
Morrdread, your right to post on this topic should be revoked. There is always a continum in these kinds of issues. To see things in such a dichotomy shows that you have little intelligence when it comes to this debate. In other words you have allowed your passion for DF to blind your sense of reason.
Morrdread, I find it odd that you are claiming to be an avid fan of DF, but do not have a forumfall account.
This suggests to me the possibility that you are an alt for someone who is trying to discredit DF by mocking the arguments of those whom you are opposed to. I sincerely hope that you would not stoop so low, but I am having serious doubts.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
Morrdread, I find it odd that you are claiming to be an avid fan of DF, but do not have a forumfall account.
This suggests to me the possibility that you are an alt for someone who is trying to discredit DF by mocking the arguments of those whom you are opposed to. I sincerely hope that you would not stoop so low, but I am having serious doubts.
I have a DF forum account that dates back to 03.... its not called morrdread.
First, I understand that people have reasonable doubts about this game. However, the devs have not actually made any of the promises that many seem to think they have broken. Also, due in a large part to elusive commenting they have engaged in, they have yet to lie to us. Why should they start lying now?
Originally posted by Morrdread:
I dont see a point in there being an in-between. you either believe or you dont, whats the point in being confused about it? The people who love everything about it and believe in it will ultimatley enjoy the game that much more when it finally comes. people who doubt everything wont even enjoy themselves because they will be trying to find something wrong with it the entire time.
Morrdread, your right to post on this topic should be revoked. There is always a continum in these kinds of issues. To see things in such a dichotomy shows that you have little intelligence when it comes to this debate. In other words you have allowed your passion for DF to blind your sense of reason.
Nope! Your just a negative nancy!
Umm no, you're just a blind fanboy.
Believing everything a dev says makes you a sheep.
Darkfall is out when its out. I believe nothing a developer tells me until I get to play the game. End of story.
First, I understand that people have reasonable doubts about this game. However, the devs have not actually made any of the promises that many seem to think they have broken. Also, due in a large part to elusive commenting they have engaged in, they have yet to lie to us. Why should they start lying now?
Originally posted by Morrdread:
I dont see a point in there being an in-between. you either believe or you dont, whats the point in being confused about it? The people who love everything about it and believe in it will ultimatley enjoy the game that much more when it finally comes. people who doubt everything wont even enjoy themselves because they will be trying to find something wrong with it the entire time.
Morrdread, your right to post on this topic should be revoked. There is always a continum in these kinds of issues. To see things in such a dichotomy shows that you have little intelligence when it comes to this debate. In other words you have allowed your passion for DF to blind your sense of reason.
Nope! Your just a negative nancy!
Umm no, you're just a blind fanboy.
Believing everything a dev says makes you a sheep.
Darkfall is out when its out. I believe nothing a developer tells me until I get to play the game. End of story.
You could just not get so worked up about the whole thing lol, if it comes out great, if it does not..so what, if it comes out and sucks..who cares..there are other things you can do with your time!
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Originally posted by Theodgrim I will believe Darkfall is in beta when it can be confirmed. This whole thing has become a joke, at least if you have been following the game for many years. They have been in some form of "beta", and just about to start public testing since 2003! Lets take a look at Darkfall and "beta" over the years - 08-03-2003 http://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/darkfall2-1.php Claus: Darkfall is entering closed beta testing in September this year. The closed beta is fully playable, with most core features implemented. We will be adding features and content during closed beta, while we gear up for the next beta stages. GB: In the past couple of years, have any of your design goals changed? Has anything been cut/added from the development process? Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. We sadly had to remove some popular features such as flying mounts, for reasons having to do with game balance issues related to sieges, and deformable terrain, due to possible latency issues. We have tried to make up for it by adding more content than originally planned. We'll be looking at possibly implementing these features at a later date. (guess there was no "restart" or "do-over" in 2003, eh?) GB: Will there be multiple phases to the public beta? Have you arrived at a date when you might begin such a beta? Claus: Starting from Closed Beta in September, we will slowly add more and more testers. We will have an open beta shortly after, for stress testing.
9-30-2003 http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=5542 Tasos: We feel that the Darkfall community deserves an update on the state of the game, this being the last day of Septemeber. We had said that we expect to be in beta this month and there has been a lot of speculation and uncertainty about what we meant by that. We've been in a tech beta since September 2nd, testing, working on bugs, tuning and tweaking, adding content, and building the world. We're slightly behind schedule in some areas of development, ahead of schedule in others, and we're always working on new things, the latest being an optional third person perspective that can fit in with our gameplay design. Overall we're very happy with the progress, we don't have any serious problems, and we believe that we'll be able to deliver an advanced beta build for playtesting before long. 11-27-2003 Tasos: We've been quiet for a while, being in a stage of implementation with little to report. We thought it would be best to start by giving the community an overview with information of where we're at, and what we're doing now. We'll continue with frequent status updates as needed until Darkfall's release. 1-26-2004 http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=7202 Tasos: Since our last update we've completed a lot of work and we're busy working on our latest Darkfall build which is on schedule and due to be out on February the 3d. This build is an important step towards community playtesting. 4-6-2004 http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=8495 When is Beta? Darkfall is currently in the final stages of internal beta testing. This means that the game is being tested in-house in preparation for public playtesting. A beta registration form will become available on this website soon. 7-9-2004 http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=9970 Darkfall is still in internal beta. Delays and development taking longer than anticipated is the norm in the gaming industry as we all know, even in companies and projects with virtually unlimited resources. In our case the time related problems were tied more with the development of the advanced technology and the tools behind the game and not so much with the game itself. 5-4-2005 http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/86/gameID/4/ MMORPG.com: (Munka) I'm sure the biggest thing on the mind of the fans is when the beta is going to be held. Is the team nearing this stage or is there still a great deal to do before you can think about a beta? Darkfall Team: We've been asked this question often and we know that this is on the mind of the fans, it's on our mind as well since there's nothing we would like more than have people playtesting the game. We do have an internal milestone for the beta as the fans perceive it, and that's the state where the game can be playtested and fun could be had. We're nearing this stage. Other than that, we've been testing the game internally for quite some time now. 11-28-2005 http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p1.html Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website. It's a huge job, and we want it done right. The start of the beta is affected by multiple variables, and not just development ones. The same goes for Darkfall's launch date. Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately. The additional time taken to work on the game was a decision made in an effort to make Darkfall directly competitive with the largest MMOG titles out there. Nobody is going to feel they've stepped down by switching to Darkfall, or play Darkfall as an alternative to their main game. 8-26-2006 http://www.womengamers.com/articles/editorials/passion-behind-darkfall-online/1/ They've kept their game fairly low on the PR radar until this year. "Too many MMOs are released before they're ready to go to market," said Associate Producer Tasos Flambouras. "We want the beta to be almost finished before we show it to the world." When I asked how far along they were with their game, they seemed pretty confident that the engine was almost ready. "We're spending a lot of our efforts tuning the graphics and art assets right now," explained Flambournas. 10-11-2006 http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=26783 Tasos: We're in the middle of an effort of maintaining beta preparations while continuing to develop the game. In regards to that, I understand that the main information you need is a date, and we're getting closer to locking a schedule in. 11-30-2006 http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/gameId/4/setView/features/loadFeature/733/InterviewwithTasosFlambouras.html MMORPG.com: As Darkfall continues its development cycle when can we expect to see a Beta? Also do you have a target for production? Tasos Flambouras: We've mentioned before that it's difficult to run a beta test while continuing development on the game, especially when all our human resources are in development. We are now at a stage where we can and we are preparing the beta test which will allow external beta testers in and this is now a high priority for us. We do have a target for production but realistically the target date will be tweaked during testing. We think it's better to hold off on an announcement until then. MMORPG.com: What is in the near future for Darkfall? After launch are there plans for an expansion? Tasos Flambouras: We're moving towards external testing in the near future. As for after launch, Darkfall follows a timeline and the design looks past the release of the game. We already have plans and guidelines for part of our first updates. 1-17-2007 http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=30347 The beta development milestone was met early in December. Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly. 5-31-2007 http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.42541 Tasos: We've been throwing around the word beta quite a bit, and it's not to churn the waters, it's because it's what we're working on right now. An editorial on this site urged us to come out with a date. Well that's nice, and we will when we have one. We've specified that our internal target date is this summer and we can't get more specific yet, but we will when we're ready to make an announcement.
9-28-2007 http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/2289-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-15-A-Visit-From-a-Fan Tasos: If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met. 1-11-2008 http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/2796-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-21-Summary-Status Overall, we have a near complete implementation of the game, speaking of the technology and our feature list. We're running the game through proper QA testing at the moment, and doing full optimizations to make sure everything will run smoothly even when demands on the game are high. 4-11-2008 http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/3570-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-25-Philosophy Tasos: Darkfall is feature complete and we're doing beta testing using professional testers as we've said before. (HUH? Seems they have wanted players testing this game as early as possible...guess they changed their mind!) Tasos: Based on the above, it's conceivable that we may be further along in development than several games in beta, or with announced release dates. So why don't we announce a date already? It's because there's no way we'll miss a release date and we're not going to just set a date as a goal, and either postpone or be forced to release something unfinished. We resolve to stick with our release date because we know how people tend to plan around this as far as organization, time and hardware goes when they're looking to make a commitment to an MMORPG, especially a competitive one like Darkfall.
Ahh Theodgrim, thanks for digging all this info up, and reminding me how many times they have let us down.
I almost forgot all those times I was so hyped about DF going "beta" soon, and so many times I was made to look like a complete idiot to friends and guildmates for claiming DF was just about to go into beta, hehe.
Two times so far I even created and then later deleted a DF board on our forums.
Also its funny to hear people like Morrdread (holy shit I thought I was a fanboy) claim that they started from scratch several times. People usually mention 2003 and 2005.
Thats not true, its the same game they've been working on and refining ever since 2001. They have never scratched everything and started from scratch.
Yeah I hope you are right downtoearth, personally I haven't heard of any who are in beta. But we will see by the end of October if it will be yet another month of waiting in vain like so many times before.
Yeah I hope you are right downtoearth, personally I haven't heard of any who are in beta. But we will see by the end of October if it will be yet another month of waiting in vain like so many times before.
dont think so i think the plan is to start playtesting in october so theyc an release before christmas.. kheal i have my own ways to know whats going on.
i was smart enough not to follow DNL mourning or any of them crack pot scam or lies..
and im most likly right about this one. esspiccly witht he peole i have talked too about it XD
i can garrentee beta will start this year at least
release is to hard to say anything on at this point int ime i dont care what tasos says about it either
Heh I started following DF in 2001, and I didnt follow dnl + mourning or any of those shit games either, it was pretty obvious to me after looking briefly into those games, that they didnt measure up to DF.
But I know alot of people in the community, and I just find it weird I havent heard of anyone who is in beta. Buuuut anyhow, we will se in a couple of weeks.
I will believe Darkfall is in beta when it can be confirmed. This whole thing has become a joke, at least if you have been following the game for many years. They have been in some form of "beta", and just about to start public testing since 2003! Lets take a look at Darkfall and "beta" over the years -
Claus: Darkfall is entering closed beta testing in September this year. The closed beta is fully playable, with most core features implemented. We will be adding features and content during closed beta, while we gear up for the next beta stages.
GB: In the past couple of years, have any of your design goals changed? Has anything been cut/added from the development process?
Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. We sadly had to remove some popular features such as flying mounts, for reasons having to do with game balance issues related to sieges, and deformable terrain, due to possible latency issues. We have tried to make up for it by adding more content than originally planned. We'll be looking at possibly implementing these features at a later date.
(guess there was no "restart" or "do-over" in 2003, eh?)
GB: Will there be multiple phases to the public beta? Have you arrived at a date when you might begin such a beta?
Claus: Starting from Closed Beta in September, we will slowly add more and more testers. We will have an open beta shortly after, for stress testing.
Tasos: We feel that the Darkfall community deserves an update on the state of the game, this being the last day of Septemeber. We had said that we expect to be in beta this month and there has been a lot of speculation and uncertainty about what we meant by that.
We've been in a tech beta since September 2nd, testing, working on bugs, tuning and tweaking, adding content, and building the world. We're slightly behind schedule in some areas of development, ahead of schedule in others, and we're always working on new things, the latest being an optional third person perspective that can fit in with our gameplay design. Overall we're very happy with the progress, we don't have any serious problems, and we believe that we'll be able to deliver an advanced beta build for playtesting before long.
11-27-2003
Tasos: We've been quiet for a while, being in a stage of implementation with little to report. We thought it would be best to start by giving the community an overview with information of where we're at, and what we're doing now. We'll continue with frequent status updates as needed until Darkfall's release.
Tasos: Since our last update we've completed a lot of work and we're busy working on our latest Darkfall build which is on schedule and due to be out on February the 3d. This build is an important step towards community playtesting.
Darkfall is currently in the final stages of internal beta testing. This means that the game is being tested in-house in preparation for public playtesting. A beta registration form will become available on this website soon.
Darkfall is still in internal beta. Delays and development taking longer than anticipated is the norm in the gaming industry as we all know, even in companies and projects with virtually unlimited resources. In our case the time related problems were tied more with the development of the advanced technology and the tools behind the game and not so much with the game itself.
(Munka) I'm sure the biggest thing on the mind of the fans is when the beta is going to be held. Is the team nearing this stage or is there still a great deal to do before you can think about a beta?
Darkfall Team: We've been asked this question often and we know that this is on the mind of the fans, it's on our mind as well since there's nothing we would like more than have people playtesting the game.
We do have an internal milestone for the beta as the fans perceive it, and that's the state where the game can be playtested and fun could be had. We're nearing this stage. Other than that, we've been testing the game internally for quite some time now.
Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website. It's a huge job, and we want it done right. The start of the beta is affected by multiple variables, and not just development ones. The same goes for Darkfall's launch date. Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately. The additional time taken to work on the game was a decision made in an effort to make Darkfall directly competitive with the largest MMOG titles out there. Nobody is going to feel they've stepped down by switching to Darkfall, or play Darkfall as an alternative to their main game.
They've kept their game fairly low on the PR radar until this year. "Too many MMOs are released before they're ready to go to market," said Associate Producer Tasos Flambouras. "We want the beta to be almost finished before we show it to the world."
When I asked how far along they were with their game, they seemed pretty confident that the engine was almost ready. "We're spending a lot of our efforts tuning the graphics and art assets right now," explained Flambournas.
Tasos: We're in the middle of an effort of maintaining beta preparations while continuing to develop the game. In regards to that, I understand that the main information you need is a date, and we're getting closer to locking a schedule in.
MMORPG.com: As Darkfall continues its development cycle when can we expect to see a Beta? Also do you have a target for production?
Tasos Flambouras: We've mentioned before that it's difficult to run a beta test while continuing development on the game, especially when all our human resources are in development. We are now at a stage where we can and we are preparing the beta test which will allow external beta testers in and this is now a high priority for us. We do have a target for production but realistically the target date will be tweaked during testing. We think it's better to hold off on an announcement until then.
MMORPG.com: What is in the near future for Darkfall? After launch are there plans for an expansion?
Tasos Flambouras: We're moving towards external testing in the near future. As for after launch, Darkfall follows a timeline and the design looks past the release of the game. We already have plans and guidelines for part of our first updates.
The beta development milestone was met early in December. Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly.
Tasos: We've been throwing around the word beta quite a bit, and it's not to churn the waters, it's because it's what we're working on right now. An editorial on this site urged us to come out with a date. Well that's nice, and we will when we have one. We've specified that our internal target date is this summer and we can't get more specific yet, but we will when we're ready to make an announcement. 9-28-2007
Tasos: If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met.
Overall, we have a near complete implementation of the game, speaking of the technology and our feature list. We're running the game through proper QA testing at the moment, and doing full optimizations to make sure everything will run smoothly even when demands on the game are high.
Tasos: Darkfall is feature complete and we're doing beta testing using professional testers as we've said before.
(HUH? Seems they have wanted players testing this game as early as possible...guess they changed their mind!)
Tasos: Based on the above, it's conceivable that we may be further along in development than several games in beta, or with announced release dates. So why don't we announce a date already? It's because there's no way we'll miss a release date and we're not going to just set a date as a goal, and either postpone or be forced to release something unfinished. We resolve to stick with our release date because we know how people tend to plan around this as far as organization, time and hardware goes when they're looking to make a commitment to an MMORPG, especially a competitive one like Darkfall.
Ahh Theodgrim, thanks for digging all this info up, and reminding me how many times they have let us down.
I almost forgot all those times I was so hyped about DF going "beta" soon, and so many times I was made to look like a complete idiot to friends and guildmates for claiming DF was just about to go into beta, hehe.
Two times so far I even created and then later deleted a DF board on our forums.
Also its funny to hear people like Morrdread (holy shit I thought I was a fanboy) claim that they started from scratch several times. People usually mention 2003 and 2005.
Thats not true, its the same game they've been working on and refining ever since 2001. They have never scratched everything and started from scratch.
They have always been working on the core game of darkfall, but completely redesigned the engine, and core features multiple times. If i made it sound like I believed it was completely scrapped im sorry that was not my intention. I was also arguing at 4AM so that could of had something to do with it.
They have redesigned the world BY HAND, the biggest zoneless world to date in any MMO. The engine..again BY HAND, something they have created from the ground up, not bought the rights to like many other companies and already had a skeleton to build on. They have done this multiple times, with a very small Dev team. Id imagine that would take quite some time dont you?
I havnt forgotten any of those quotes. I havnt forgetten the time with no updates for 6 months. I havnt forgetten anything. Im just happy as hell its all finally coming togather and I KNOW there are alot of people that feel the way I do and dont want to be labeled "Fanboy" of "Fanatic" so they dont speak up. I really dont care what random people on MMORPG forums think of me lol. I just wanna play the game.
Haha Morrdread I totally forgive you. When it comes to DF I am 100% manio-depressive.
For long periods of time I have been the biggest fanboy ever, hyping the game like there was no tomorrow, but then I was let down and left in the cold by the devs, and I turned around and started trashing the game whenever I had a chance
At times I felt they held me for an idiot, when they had told us beta would come, and then suddenly turned around and said: "Oh did you think we meant beta for you guys? No no how stupid you are, we meant internal beta, and we are indeed in internal beta now". Stuff like that made me fucking angry because I know it was pure bullshit.
What happened waas quite obvious. They had made an estimate that didnt hold. And realized they needed more time. So they had to come up with stupid excuses like that... and it pissed me off that they didnt just admit they had been wrong, and choose to come out with such lame statements.
Anyways, I just want this game so much to be true and become a success. It is my dreamgame.
Haha Morrdread I totally forgive you. When it comes to DF I am 100% manio-depressive. For long periods of time I have been the biggest fanboy ever, hyping the game like there was no tomorrow, but then I was let down and left in the cold by the devs, and I turned around and started trashing the game whenever I had a chance At times I felt they held me for an idiot, when they had told us beta would come, and then suddenly turned around and said: "Oh did you think we meant beta for you guys? No no how stupid you are, we meant internal beta, and we are indeed in internal beta now". Stuff like that made me fucking angry because I know it was pure bullshit. What happened waas quite obvious. They had made an estimate that didnt hold. And realized they needed more time. So they had to come up with stupid excuses like that... and it pissed me off that they didnt just admit they had been wrong, and choose to come out with such lame statements. Anyways, I just want this game so much to be true and become a success. It is my dreamgame.
I agree 100% the excuses were very lame, the devs have too much pride. hopefully that pride in the long run will help them continue to develope the way they want to and not let any carebears ruin DFO.
Haha Morrdread I totally forgive you. When it comes to DF I am 100% manio-depressive. For long periods of time I have been the biggest fanboy ever, hyping the game like there was no tomorrow, but then I was let down and left in the cold by the devs, and I turned around and started trashing the game whenever I had a chance At times I felt they held me for an idiot, when they had told us beta would come, and then suddenly turned around and said: "Oh did you think we meant beta for you guys? No no how stupid you are, we meant internal beta, and we are indeed in internal beta now". Stuff like that made me fucking angry because I know it was pure bullshit. What happened waas quite obvious. They had made an estimate that didnt hold. And realized they needed more time. So they had to come up with stupid excuses like that... and it pissed me off that they didnt just admit they had been wrong, and choose to come out with such lame statements. Anyways, I just want this game so much to be true and become a success. It is my dreamgame.
I think that is the sentiment of a lot of us.
There are some posters here that seem to think if they wave the little jedi mind trick fingers that everything said and done in the past will be magically gone. Well... it doesn't work that way. We still want the game to release and succeed... but I think we have earned the right to be skeptical.
I was lucky enough to be selected in the early EQ beta. We played alot and had alot of fun but I never missed the chance to report anything. No matter how small it might have been.
Wow looking at the timeline on those posts is crazy. They must really be burning through some money for all these years and not even one beta test running!
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You should be commended Theodgrim. You presented nothing more than a extraordinarily complete history of Darkfall's convoluted development with references to back it up.
Facts are something too often lacking in discussions in the MMORPG community, not just Darkfall but any game on this site.
You are perfectly justified to say you have reasonable doubts about the game. The fact that anyone can look over that history and NOT have reasonable doubts is ridiculous.
That's not to say one can't still support and follow the game while having those doubts. But it is more than reasonable, at this point it should be mandatory to have caution color any excitement over developer annoucements or hype.
Given that history, I'm very interested to see if Aventurine will be able to pull it off. It will certainly be a epic acheivement given the past of their developement if they do.
Look at the history of mythic and funcom, obviously it holds no bearing as to the final product considering 30% of warhammer online was scrapped right before launch not to mention full of bugs, and we dont even have to talk about AoCs failure. everyone belived in them and its wrong to believe in our game? shit world of warcraft has to patch something every month to try and hotfix its host of problems, and usually just creates more.
the only thing we can judge is the final product and i have faith in it, faith that it will blow the shitty compition out of the water even if its half feature complete. we all have our doubts, everything stated by the majority of skeptics has been in our head for years, I just choose to focus on the cup being half full because this is my only hope to ressurect a dying genre. if you think thats ridiculous you just fail to understand :-P
We all know why you skeptical , what we don't know is why you have to come here to express it ?
We know about about the past and if the past has disappointed you why you here to repeat and to repeat your doubts? You can do other things that means more to you and you have more faith in them.
The devs have the best overview of the game and they do or do not give the info to the public why and why not they released earlier...
The info that is important for the moment is that DF get beta 2008 ...
References to the past are irrelevant for this event ..if they mean something for the doubters then they should stop participating in this forum because there is nothing to accomplish here for them except to troll ..
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Well once beta is actually started then a lot more faith will be put in DFO as far as it actually releasing. However, beta is just beta. I want to actually see the game launch, successfully. Furthermore, I'd like to see it done by Q2 2009. That may be unrealistic considering how slow the progress has been up to this date.
Darkfall has a lot of great concepts that I've been waiting for such as the skill-based instead of this dumb level base crap that is always coming out and of course the sandbox feature:) but I need to see it actually function well with thousands of people logged in at the same time. Only time will tell.
The trolls change their stance as fast as the ..
First it was vaporware,
Then it was bad graphics,
Then it was going to fail,
Now entering beta stage (most cried for from the trolls) will not cut it either?
seriously, you guys crack me up
btw do you think Aventurine cares that you "furthermore would lieke to see it done by Q2 2009" who the friggin do you think you are?
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First, I understand that people have reasonable doubts about this game. However, the devs have not actually made any of the promises that many seem to think they have broken. Also, due in a large part to elusive commenting they have engaged in, they have yet to lie to us. Why should they start lying now?
Originally posted by Morrdread:
I dont see a point in there being an in-between. you either believe or you dont, whats the point in being confused about it? The people who love everything about it and believe in it will ultimatley enjoy the game that much more when it finally comes. people who doubt everything wont even enjoy themselves because they will be trying to find something wrong with it the entire time.
Morrdread, your right to post on this topic should be revoked. There is always a continum in these kinds of issues. To see things in such a dichotomy shows that you have little intelligence when it comes to this debate. In other words you have allowed your passion for DF to blind your sense of reason.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
If you really dont know why I post here, let me make it clear: this is a Darkfall forum and I am interested in Darkfall.
This is not the Church of Darkfall, so my faith or lack thereof, is not an issue. The glass isnt half-full (positive connotion) or half-empty (negative connotation) but the glass simply contains 50% of its capacity. That is how I try to see it - like it is, with no spin.
And when we DO get a confirmed beta in 2008, I will believe it. Until then, it is more talk. As I have tried to show via my short history - talk is cheap and doesnt equal reality. This is not the first time I have signed up for a DF beta. Hell, my guild was even "accepted" into clan beta in 2005. As I have said before, I am not making stuff up to be a troll. I have first hand experience, and my DF login has the "Long Term Follower" tag to prove it.
I have a bit more hope that this time will different, and I still do. However, when I hear from Aventurine that they have already started public beta, yet it cant be confirmed by any other source...the history lessons kick in.
First, I understand that people have reasonable doubts about this game. However, the devs have not actually made any of the promises that many seem to think they have broken. Also, due in a large part to elusive commenting they have engaged in, they have yet to lie to us. Why should they start lying now?
Originally posted by Morrdread:
I dont see a point in there being an in-between. you either believe or you dont, whats the point in being confused about it? The people who love everything about it and believe in it will ultimatley enjoy the game that much more when it finally comes. people who doubt everything wont even enjoy themselves because they will be trying to find something wrong with it the entire time.
Morrdread, your right to post on this topic should be revoked. There is always a continum in these kinds of issues. To see things in such a dichotomy shows that you have little intelligence when it comes to this debate. In other words you have allowed your passion for DF to blind your sense of reason.
Nope! Your just a negative nancy!
Nope! Your just a negative nancy!
Morrdread, I find it odd that you are claiming to be an avid fan of DF, but do not have a forumfall account.
This suggests to me the possibility that you are an alt for someone who is trying to discredit DF by mocking the arguments of those whom you are opposed to. I sincerely hope that you would not stoop so low, but I am having serious doubts.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
Nope! Your just a negative nancy!
Morrdread, I find it odd that you are claiming to be an avid fan of DF, but do not have a forumfall account.
This suggests to me the possibility that you are an alt for someone who is trying to discredit DF by mocking the arguments of those whom you are opposed to. I sincerely hope that you would not stoop so low, but I am having serious doubts.
I have a DF forum account that dates back to 03.... its not called morrdread.
First, I understand that people have reasonable doubts about this game. However, the devs have not actually made any of the promises that many seem to think they have broken. Also, due in a large part to elusive commenting they have engaged in, they have yet to lie to us. Why should they start lying now?
Originally posted by Morrdread:
I dont see a point in there being an in-between. you either believe or you dont, whats the point in being confused about it? The people who love everything about it and believe in it will ultimatley enjoy the game that much more when it finally comes. people who doubt everything wont even enjoy themselves because they will be trying to find something wrong with it the entire time.
Morrdread, your right to post on this topic should be revoked. There is always a continum in these kinds of issues. To see things in such a dichotomy shows that you have little intelligence when it comes to this debate. In other words you have allowed your passion for DF to blind your sense of reason.
Nope! Your just a negative nancy!
Umm no, you're just a blind fanboy.
Believing everything a dev says makes you a sheep.
Darkfall is out when its out. I believe nothing a developer tells me until I get to play the game. End of story.
First, I understand that people have reasonable doubts about this game. However, the devs have not actually made any of the promises that many seem to think they have broken. Also, due in a large part to elusive commenting they have engaged in, they have yet to lie to us. Why should they start lying now?
Originally posted by Morrdread:
I dont see a point in there being an in-between. you either believe or you dont, whats the point in being confused about it? The people who love everything about it and believe in it will ultimatley enjoy the game that much more when it finally comes. people who doubt everything wont even enjoy themselves because they will be trying to find something wrong with it the entire time.
Morrdread, your right to post on this topic should be revoked. There is always a continum in these kinds of issues. To see things in such a dichotomy shows that you have little intelligence when it comes to this debate. In other words you have allowed your passion for DF to blind your sense of reason.
Nope! Your just a negative nancy!
Umm no, you're just a blind fanboy.
Believing everything a dev says makes you a sheep.
Darkfall is out when its out. I believe nothing a developer tells me until I get to play the game. End of story.
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You could just not get so worked up about the whole thing lol, if it comes out great, if it does not..so what, if it comes out and sucks..who cares..there are other things you can do with your time!
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Ahh Theodgrim, thanks for digging all this info up, and reminding me how many times they have let us down.
I almost forgot all those times I was so hyped about DF going "beta" soon, and so many times I was made to look like a complete idiot to friends and guildmates for claiming DF was just about to go into beta, hehe.
Two times so far I even created and then later deleted a DF board on our forums.
Also its funny to hear people like Morrdread (holy shit I thought I was a fanboy) claim that they started from scratch several times. People usually mention 2003 and 2005.
Thats not true, its the same game they've been working on and refining ever since 2001. They have never scratched everything and started from scratch.
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kheal the problem is it is in a form of beta with public people.
now they just need to invite more people and start playtesting part of it.
please stop crying about them other times
Yeah I hope you are right downtoearth, personally I haven't heard of any who are in beta. But we will see by the end of October if it will be yet another month of waiting in vain like so many times before.
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dont think so i think the plan is to start playtesting in october so theyc an release before christmas.. kheal i have my own ways to know whats going on.
i was smart enough not to follow DNL mourning or any of them crack pot scam or lies..
and im most likly right about this one. esspiccly witht he peole i have talked too about it XD
i can garrentee beta will start this year at least
release is to hard to say anything on at this point int ime i dont care what tasos says about it either
Heh I started following DF in 2001, and I didnt follow dnl + mourning or any of those shit games either, it was pretty obvious to me after looking briefly into those games, that they didnt measure up to DF.
But I know alot of people in the community, and I just find it weird I havent heard of anyone who is in beta. Buuuut anyhow, we will se in a couple of weeks.
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Ahh Theodgrim, thanks for digging all this info up, and reminding me how many times they have let us down.
I almost forgot all those times I was so hyped about DF going "beta" soon, and so many times I was made to look like a complete idiot to friends and guildmates for claiming DF was just about to go into beta, hehe.
Two times so far I even created and then later deleted a DF board on our forums.
Also its funny to hear people like Morrdread (holy shit I thought I was a fanboy) claim that they started from scratch several times. People usually mention 2003 and 2005.
Thats not true, its the same game they've been working on and refining ever since 2001. They have never scratched everything and started from scratch.
They have always been working on the core game of darkfall, but completely redesigned the engine, and core features multiple times. If i made it sound like I believed it was completely scrapped im sorry that was not my intention. I was also arguing at 4AM so that could of had something to do with it.
They have redesigned the world BY HAND, the biggest zoneless world to date in any MMO. The engine..again BY HAND, something they have created from the ground up, not bought the rights to like many other companies and already had a skeleton to build on. They have done this multiple times, with a very small Dev team. Id imagine that would take quite some time dont you?
I havnt forgotten any of those quotes. I havnt forgetten the time with no updates for 6 months. I havnt forgetten anything. Im just happy as hell its all finally coming togather and I KNOW there are alot of people that feel the way I do and dont want to be labeled "Fanboy" of "Fanatic" so they dont speak up. I really dont care what random people on MMORPG forums think of me lol. I just wanna play the game.
Haha Morrdread I totally forgive you. When it comes to DF I am 100% manio-depressive.
For long periods of time I have been the biggest fanboy ever, hyping the game like there was no tomorrow, but then I was let down and left in the cold by the devs, and I turned around and started trashing the game whenever I had a chance
At times I felt they held me for an idiot, when they had told us beta would come, and then suddenly turned around and said: "Oh did you think we meant beta for you guys? No no how stupid you are, we meant internal beta, and we are indeed in internal beta now". Stuff like that made me fucking angry because I know it was pure bullshit.
What happened waas quite obvious. They had made an estimate that didnt hold. And realized they needed more time. So they had to come up with stupid excuses like that... and it pissed me off that they didnt just admit they had been wrong, and choose to come out with such lame statements.
Anyways, I just want this game so much to be true and become a success. It is my dreamgame.
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http://www.guildofsun.com
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I agree 100% the excuses were very lame, the devs have too much pride. hopefully that pride in the long run will help them continue to develope the way they want to and not let any carebears ruin DFO.
I think that is the sentiment of a lot of us.
There are some posters here that seem to think if they wave the little jedi mind trick fingers that everything said and done in the past will be magically gone. Well... it doesn't work that way. We still want the game to release and succeed... but I think we have earned the right to be skeptical.
I was lucky enough to be selected in the early EQ beta. We played alot and had alot of fun but I never missed the chance to report anything. No matter how small it might have been.
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Wow looking at the timeline on those posts is crazy. They must really be burning through some money for all these years and not even one beta test running!
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I hope the beta does not get postponed even FURTHER.
i dont think it will