Sounds like Order on your server needs to learn to play as a team rather than, trying to solo the entire field. My wife has tried almost every class ( with the exception of DoK and Warpriest ) and hasn't had any problems keeping people alive. Every night now in gates of ekrund I see 3 or 4 iron breakers coming after my Black Orc and while I'm keeping them busy, my teammates are ripping thru Orders healers and casters. Has nothing to do with balance and everything to do with your teammates knowing what to do.
stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.
Where am I bashing the game ?? , Its seems the fanboi mentality has got a hold of you my freind , dont want hear any critiscism of WAR ? Well dont come here bashing people with a different opinion too yours .
how about post #38, #41, #43 for starters? There is no fanboi mentality as my complaints are quite long winded as well. The problem is you come in here and spew of problems that noone else seems to be having about a class you want to play. First off you want to heal and buff yet instead of a pure healer you pick a hybrid class. You failed at picking a character and then at mechanics most other people can handle. You complain of others telling you aren't doing your job. You aren't supposed to be the main healer as a AM You need to have a thick skin as a healer that's for damn sure and you need a good team playing with some bit of strategy. You act like you want to be able to heal everyone and save everyone all the time and what fun would that be for the other team. Some people are going to fall and you get some say on which ones don't.
There are larger more pressing problems then your lack of understanding and bad choice of class selection.
Sounds like Order on your server needs to learn to play as a team rather than, trying to solo the entire field. My wife has tried almost every class ( with the exception of DoK and Warpriest ) and hasn't had any problems keeping people alive. Every night now in gates of ekrund I see 3 or 4 iron breakers coming after my Black Orc and while I'm keeping them busy, my teammates are ripping thru Orders healers and casters. Has nothing to do with balance and everything to do with your teammates knowing what to do.
stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.
Where am I bashing the game ?? , Its seems the fanboi mentality has got a hold of you my freind , dont want hear any critiscism of WAR ? Well dont come here bashing people with a different opinion too yours .
how about post #38, #41, #43 for starters? There is no fanboi mentality as my complaints are quite long winded as well. The problem is you come in here and spew of problems that noone else seems to be having about a class you want to play. First off you want to heal and buff yet instead of a pure healer you pick a hybrid class. You failed at picking a character and then at mechanics most other people can handle. You complain of others telling you aren't doing your job. You aren't supposed to be the main healer as a AM You need to have a thick skin as a healer that's for damn sure and you need a good team playing with some bit of strategy. You act like you want to be able to heal everyone and save everyone all the time and what fun would that be for the other team. Some people are going to fall and you get some say on which ones don't.
There are larger more pressing problems then your lack of understanding and bad choice of class selection.
There are plenty of other people feel the same way as me, and complaining about things you want to see in the game is not bashing the game , I like WAR and have some good other characters that I think are very cool indeed , Witch Hunter being one of my faves ... but I'll stick to my original arguement and that is the Healing classes need some TLC , if you dont agree fine but dont get aggresive with others who disaggree with your viewpoint.
Sounds like Order on your server needs to learn to play as a team rather than, trying to solo the entire field. My wife has tried almost every class ( with the exception of DoK and Warpriest ) and hasn't had any problems keeping people alive. Every night now in gates of ekrund I see 3 or 4 iron breakers coming after my Black Orc and while I'm keeping them busy, my teammates are ripping thru Orders healers and casters. Has nothing to do with balance and everything to do with your teammates knowing what to do.
stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.
Where am I bashing the game ?? , Its seems the fanboi mentality has got a hold of you my freind , dont want hear any critiscism of WAR ? Well dont come here bashing people with a different opinion too yours .
how about post #38, #41, #43 for starters? There is no fanboi mentality as my complaints are quite long winded as well. The problem is you come in here and spew of problems that noone else seems to be having about a class you want to play. First off you want to heal and buff yet instead of a pure healer you pick a hybrid class. You failed at picking a character and then at mechanics most other people can handle. You complain of others telling you aren't doing your job. You aren't supposed to be the main healer as a AM You need to have a thick skin as a healer that's for damn sure and you need a good team playing with some bit of strategy. You act like you want to be able to heal everyone and save everyone all the time and what fun would that be for the other team. Some people are going to fall and you get some say on which ones don't.
There are larger more pressing problems then your lack of understanding and bad choice of class selection.
There are plenty of other people feel the same way as me, and complaining about things you want to see in the game is not bashing the game , I like WAR and have some good other characters that I think are very cool indeed , Witch Hunter being one of my faves ... but I'll stick to my original arguement and that is the Healing classes need some TLC , if you dont agree fine but dont get aggresive with others who disaggree with your viewpoint.
I'm not being aggressive as much as you're not getting it. You picked a hybrid class that can heal well. What we really need more of is PURE HEALERS. we need more rune priests. All they do is heal, they dont need to go in the middle of a fight and whack things with hammer or deal with juggling class mechanics. they heal, buff and if time allows add some dps in. Their mechanic is simply making sure no WE jump them and while keeping people alive make sure they don't drain their AP too fast. The class you chose is a secondary healer that actually has some good buffs and debuffs as well as better dps than say a Rune Priest.
I've played four Healing classes, two on each side. Of course, if you are the only healer, you will have trouble healing an entire Scenario Warparty. Group heals wouldn't help there either, because they only work on your party, not the entire warband.
If there is at least one other, fairly competent healer, unless the rest of the warband is severely out ranked, I don't have much trouble keeping up.
If the battle goes on too long with out the tide swinging our way, AP does become a problem, but that's the way it should be.
I started a Zealot going into Tier 1 scenarios at level 2. Healers are the only archetype that can still be effective at lower levels in Scenarios and my level 2 healed for over 20,000 during that match.
Open those party frames for all the parties, so you can heal anyone in the Warband, or get a healing frame add on to make it more compact. (Trying to target the toons directly is a frustrating waste of time, use the party frames).
Do I sometimes have to prioritize and let someone die to keep someone else alive? Yes. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Do I have to keep an eye on the UI to ensure someone I select from the frame is close enough to be targeted and is in range of the heals? Yes. That's were skill comes in, but anyone can learn if they try. Do I have to maintain awareness of my surroundings, watching for threats and knowing where to run if need be? Yes. (Hint, rather than running away, unless the tide has turned and the enemy is in mop up mode, running into the frey is usually the best way to let your team mates see someone is trying to take you out, so they can stomp on them).
If you set up your interface properly , spread your heals around the warband and keep an eye on your surroundings, 20,000 healing in Tier 1 is an achievable goal and will provide huge benefit to your side. Sometimes the nature of the battle means you have fewer spam healing opportunities and you will fall short of that goal. Other times, the battles will be fast and furious and you will exceed them.
However, even with out group heals, there is no reason a Tier 1 healer in this game can't heal for roughly 20,000 per scenario. If you are falling well short, it's not the game, it's your lack of skill. However, that is NOT a put down, you CAN learn to do it right and you will get better the more you play.
I have a lvl 15 Archmage, and I am usually the top healer in scenarios on the order side. I use up all my action points spamming heals and heals over time and my one ward and hardly have any damage at all, and I still can't save everyone on my side. Sometimes your health will go down way too fast for any healer to keep up, especially if you've got more than one damage dealer on you. Don't expect to get a heal if you're always running off by yourself too, if you're far away I can't get to you in time. Healing will keep ya busy, that's for sure.
AMEN to this one! I just started a shammy not to long ago man i love that little guy but i cant keep everyone healed what i mainly do is consintratedon the tanks IF i can i will get the off tanks and mages as well basicly what i do is a little fighting, see someone'es health go down and just drop a heal on them then if i notice someone in the middle of an order gang beating i consintrate on healing that person to try and keep them alive. Really dont know why people whine about a "group" heal this makes it a bit more challanging. People are going to die thats the nature of any MMO a specially the zergers. As i always warn the group "yous no protecty me...me lets you die then me giggle and loot your sorry corpse!!!"
How about you guys learn to healIN THIS GAME, instead of trying to suggest changes to make it like another game, where the mechanic they use in THE OTHER GAME would break more than help because you haven’t thought this through.
Also, F1-6 insta targets group members. Use it.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Somewhere along the line the OP made the sarcastic remark that I thought I was "Perfect"
Listen, first order of business that my good buddy who joined WAR with me told me --- "Learn your Class"
Really read what your abilities do and how they effect your teammates. Alot of WP only heal themselves because they think they're some kind of half/tank because they don't have large heals like the AM and RP.
After playing a WP and it being my personal favorite, you have to understand, in WAR, its not all about BIG heals to your WHOLE group. Its about making the right choices in a group environment.
For instance One questions I usually ask myself when I'm on a team is should I buff for damage, healing, or armor as I'm only allowed 1 prayer, and usually my options will change in mid battle when I get a good sense of what we're fighting against.
Next, you're not made to heal a whole warband at low levels. You're made for 1 person at a time, and if thats all you can do, thats all you can do. It wouldn't be fair just to have a team spamming AOE heals all day from level 1... they tried to balance PVP as best as possible. Even at the higher levels you don't have an enormous AOE heal -- its on par with the amount of damage the opposing team can do.
I'm not perfect, I've just learned my class AND my role. If you don't like it, there are other more suited classes you may enjoy, and leaving the healing up to those that can "get it right" because every class has to play the cards they're dealt, even when they don't like them.
You know what every time I play there are people shouting where the heals etc ! whats the healer doin ! why are they not healing us ! .... and it easy to see why when you start plaing as healer .. " There's no Point " at the moment , you might as well just stand behind everyone else and use your damage spells and heal yourself ... people just cant see it , this is why healers are not healing it does'nt happen in other games because people have the right things in place to enjoy their healer class and get much more out of the game . Anyone thats played a minstrel in Lotro will understand what I'm saying here. This does not happen in other Mmo's Healers Heal in WAR they are not bothering ..... so something is wrong with it simple as that.
For some background here...I've played a healer for many years. Defender in CoH, Shaman (I think that's what they were called) in EQ2, Holy Priest in WoW, Minstrel in LotRO...and now a Rune Priest in WAR.
Your problem with not being able to heal enough in WAR is the simple fact that you chose the wrong class. Archmages are NOT pure healers. As someone else stated earlier, Archmages are caster healers: hybrids. Both Order and Destruction have them. They're classified as follows:
Melee healers: Order: Warrior Priests Destruction: Disciple of Khaine
Now, on to the parts where so many are saying "Healers aren't like in other games, they suck!" Well, my friends, this isn't every other damn game. WAR is different. In every other game, healers (true healers) were fodder for every other class when it came to PvP. In WAR, we are one of the damn hardest classes to kill. Personally, it's a really refreshing change to me. I like not dying every two seconds and being able to stand up and hold my own while healing (and usually being in the top 3, often #1, of healers in a scenario) my teammates. I can't heal when I'm dead afterall.
To say that the Minstrel class was so amazing and that WAR's healers don't heal is so completely off-base it's not funny. There is a lot of healing going on...by those who know how to do it and with what classes. In every single game you will have the morons who bitch and moan about not getting healed without stopping to think of everything that's going on or their part in it. If they're off someplace that only one or two others are and not working together with a group...it's their problem they aren't getting healed. Stop running off and trying to be Superman...morons. If they can't see that their healer is busy healing themselves in a scenario because they're being targetted by countless enemies and playing tank (and yes, I do that often as a Rune Priest; I'll purposely run out there and make myself a target, keep myself healed and let everyone else kill those trying to kill me while not taking any damage themselves) for everyone else...piss off and get with the program.
So, honestly, and in the opinion of someone with extensive healing experience, there is nothing at all wrong with WAR's healers. The problem is with the player playing them and their (mis)conception of what they're choosing.
You want to heal well...make a damn Rune Priest. You want to do decent damage and be a back up healer...make an Archmage or Warrior Priest. Either way, know what it is you're trying to play before bitching when it's not what you wanted.
Considering that a good healer can keep his team up and alive as the classes are set up now, if you introduced a bunch of AOE heals into the game it would just make the healing classes very overpowered.
If your entire team is taking so much damage that you need to use a group heal then you have already won the battle or you are entirely outnumbered.
Assuming team sizes are equal and the enemy is spreading their damage around my group so that an AE heal might have a use, my team will win if one thing is done. All we have to do is focus fire their team down 1 by 1. I can spread single target hots and direct heals long enough to keep just about everyone alive while their number dimish to the point they are no longer a threat.
Healing and mitigation are so strong in this game that the best tactic is to focus fire/assist train down one enemy at a time.
AE heals would be rather nice for PvE since most of the boss encounters I have seen are just tank/spank encounters with some point blank AOE tacked on to the boss. Poor melee classes screwed again by short sighted encounter design.
Since when is Order been getting it's ass wiped? Atleast not in the server where I play
On Avelorn where I play, it's a 50/50 shot. I could spend half the day being in scenarios where we're outnumbered and filled with idiots who don't know how to play in the scenario and then I could spend the other half in groups where it's smooth, fluid, and full of Destruction ass kicking.
Ok I dont know if anyone else is finding this, I've finally settled on being anh Archmage Healer..... but FFS ! where are the group heals and buffs ?????? No wonder Order are continually getting ass wiped ... So Mythic FFS give us some group healing and Buffs and let those that want make a career out Healing do it properly !! I'm fed up of choosing " WHO" to save in my group instead of nice Group Buffs and heals , this needs to be fixed and soon. but its really pissing me off getting shouted at by people that want to be healed and I cant heal all of them to give everyone a fighting chance. Also whats the benifit of Healing too do we actually get any XP for the amount of Lame healing that we can do at the moment ?? sorry Rant Over but I just want to be a good healer and I cant
I understand where you are coming from. I play a Rune Priest and a Shaman so I see your point of view. It sounds to me like you are wanting to be the solo healer type which other games allow for better than WAR does. If you are the only healer in a scenario for instance then you are going to have to let people die. For me, coming from playing WoW, I could heal most of my group on my priest without needing help. It seems to me that the healers in WAR are designed on purpose to be interdependent on each other. If you have another healer in your group I don't think you should be having problems though.
I cant bring myself to post any more and try to get my point across, everyone is just so rude and aggressive , it makes me upset I'd still like to thank those guys that made nice posts tho
If by rude and aggressive you mean pointing out the fact that you're the one screwing yourself up, then yep, we sure are.
Just accept the fact that, as oh so many people here pointed out to you, you chose the wrong class for what you wanted to do in game, reroll a Rune Priest, and you'll probably enjoy the game far more.
I cant bring myself to post any more and try to get my point across, everyone is just so rude and aggressive , it makes me upset I'd still like to thank those guys that made nice posts tho
If by rude and aggressive you mean pointing out the fact that you're the one screwing yourself up, then yep, we sure are.
Just accept the fact that, as oh so many people here pointed out to you, you chose the wrong class for what you wanted to do in game, reroll a Rune Priest, and you'll probably enjoy the game far more.
I'll even admit.. I may have come off somewhat aggressive and I do apologize.. its not in my nature to be that way.. I think I've spent too much time on the forums lately. Spending too much time on these forums will turn you in to the type of people here that just hate for no other reason then just to have something to hate.... I mean the way they talk about some of these games, its like the developers insulted them personally...
I haven't read this thread. Why is it 7 pages long? There is a simple answer. AM get group heals and spec into Isha for extra healing.
Thing i have noticed is almost no one on these boards has much knowledge of the way the game acutally works.
People who think there are no hidden quests when you can get a really nice 4 pieces rank 35 jewlery off of hidden quests that show nothing on the map and do not show up on your quest log they even have to use loot drops that don't always happen and 100s of other tome unlocks. Too people being completely unfamilar with how the combat regen or tactics or mastery powers work.
I have rarely seen as much misinformation about something as has been the case with this game. So many people think they know how the game works but are so terribly wrong. And when you tell them they are completely wrong and even given an example they ignore it.
This board is very sad. WAR has its problems but most of the people on these boards complain don't know what they are and are completely wrong about what they are complaining about.
While I play a Rune Priest which is considered the "pure healer" Order side, I've seen both Archmage and Warrior Priest do very well too. I do consider the latter two more of a hybrid although I've seen a WP blow away my healing numbers before. Level 27/RR27 right now. I think any of the classes can be played as a pure healer, I've heard the Archmage is more of the single target healer in terms of its strength (but I could be wrong).
Also, the "Squared" mod on Curse is nice to assist with healing, saves you having to fool with all the damn boxes in the Scenario group window each game. You can move position around via the WAR UI, I set mine right above the morale bar for easy access personally.
I cant bring myself to post any more and try to get my point across, everyone is just so rude and aggressive , it makes me upset I'd still like to thank those guys that made nice posts tho
If by rude and aggressive you mean pointing out the fact that you're the one screwing yourself up, then yep, we sure are.
Just accept the fact that, as oh so many people here pointed out to you, you chose the wrong class for what you wanted to do in game, reroll a Rune Priest, and you'll probably enjoy the game far more.
I'll even admit.. I may have come off somewhat aggressive and I do apologize.. its not in my nature to be that way.. I think I've spent too much time on the forums lately. Spending too much time on these forums will turn you in to the type of people here that just hate for no other reason then just to have something to hate.... I mean the way they talk about some of these games, its like the developers insulted them personally...
I am a little late to this discussion but I will agree with the OP and a few others. I play a Destruction Zealot (the pure healer of the Destruction healers) and I have challenges as well. I feel too limited and very much like I cannot do everything to keep my group up. But its a PVP game, and in it people may do dumb things (ie: jump into a crowd of Order and try to take them all down) so I dont beat myself up if I lose people. But I do think some more buffs, utility and aoe heals are needed to spice up the class a bit. In a word...Boring. I am pressing the same few buttons everytime. And being that my dps is crap I have to heal all the time or I'm basically doing a disservice to my group.
I just cxld my account and am waiting for WOTLK. Playing a pure healer in WAR is too boring. And with the "blame the healer" mentality in the game, I predict at higher levels not many pure healers will be around and they will be forced to change or improve the classes.
otherwise I would have rolled a RP. You can blame Mythic for that I guess, they gave good healing and tanking classes to the ugly dwarves. Nobody wants to be short and fat even in a game.
So I play an Archmage, which can't heal as well so they say (I didn't try a RP at all, so I don't know).
Summitus, nice points you made. I would advice you to send feedback to mythic.
About the buffs, I do like that the buffs in game arent concentrate in one or two classes... I suffered from BOTitist in the past (a strange desease in many MMOs).
Mythic actually said publicly that they were making healers different. That healers will have to fight for healing better. Zealots and Runepriest were a surprised for me in beta because, even when they can do dmg, they dont need to fight to be very good at healing... anyway, I can live with that.
What I am trying to say is that, imho, this is not a design error... quite the opposite. They said they were doing things like this. Don't expect WAR's support to be as EQ or any other MMO support (ofc, some classes have a lot of similarities with other MMOs... but I mean dont expect a Archmage to be a typical healer as you may had known in other games).
So not sure how much your feedback or others' feedback will impact in Mythic but you all should tell them what you think.
Personally I dont see any inbalancing between the two realms in what buffs and heals concern. The 3 main support in both sides are pretty much similar in machanism... not exactly the same but very very similar.
I dont find any problem in healing. My main is a DoK and I am rolling a Zealot now too. I dont have any problem in keeping my group mates healed... except when they overextend or get killed by a group that assist on them.
There will be always people in PUGs complaining about healing.
Summitus, nice points you made. I would advice you to send feedback to mythic. About the buffs, I do like that the buffs in game arent concentrate in one or two classes... I suffered from BOTitist in the past (a strange desease in many MMOs). Mythic actually said publicly that they were making healers different. That healers will have to fight for healing better. Zealots and Runepriest were a surprised for me in beta because, even when they can do dmg, they dont need to fight to be very good at healing... anyway, I can live with that. What I am trying to say is that, imho, this is not a design error... quite the opposite. They said they were doing things like this. Don't expect WAR's support to be as EQ or any other MMO support (ofc, some classes have a lot of similarities with other MMOs... but I mean dont expect a Archmage to be a typical healer as you may had known in other games). So not sure how much your feedback or others' feedback will impact in Mythic but you all should tell them what you think. Personally I dont see any inbalancing between the two realms in what buffs and heals concern. The 3 main support in both sides are pretty much similar in machanism... not exactly the same but very very similar. I dont find any problem in healing. My main is a DoK and I am rolling a Zealot now too. I dont have any problem in keeping my group mates healed... except when they overextend or get killed by a group that assist on them. There will be always people in PUGs complaining about healing.
Thanks for that , I think I will write up a feedback to send them on what I think .... and thanks for your input I did'nt really know they had " Intended AM as it is " I've decided after reading yours and some other nice posts that I'm going to roll a RP alt and play them along side one another and see how I feel with a RP.
I do still firmly believe that the AM could still benefit from a couple more well thought out Group Buffs or even some AOE healing spell .
I even resorted to using RB portable campfire to boost my healing the other night !
But hey thanks for you interesting comments , and I would like to say I still absoulutley love this game so maybe I'm just wanting that little extra from it than you get in other games.
After all my Witch Hunter Kicks Destruction Butt !! One class I think they have got spot on , I love her !
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stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.
Where am I bashing the game ?? , Its seems the fanboi mentality has got a hold of you my freind , dont want hear any critiscism of WAR ? Well dont come here bashing people with a different opinion too yours .
how about post #38, #41, #43 for starters? There is no fanboi mentality as my complaints are quite long winded as well. The problem is you come in here and spew of problems that noone else seems to be having about a class you want to play. First off you want to heal and buff yet instead of a pure healer you pick a hybrid class. You failed at picking a character and then at mechanics most other people can handle. You complain of others telling you aren't doing your job. You aren't supposed to be the main healer as a AM You need to have a thick skin as a healer that's for damn sure and you need a good team playing with some bit of strategy. You act like you want to be able to heal everyone and save everyone all the time and what fun would that be for the other team. Some people are going to fall and you get some say on which ones don't.
There are larger more pressing problems then your lack of understanding and bad choice of class selection.
stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.
Where am I bashing the game ?? , Its seems the fanboi mentality has got a hold of you my freind , dont want hear any critiscism of WAR ? Well dont come here bashing people with a different opinion too yours .
how about post #38, #41, #43 for starters? There is no fanboi mentality as my complaints are quite long winded as well. The problem is you come in here and spew of problems that noone else seems to be having about a class you want to play. First off you want to heal and buff yet instead of a pure healer you pick a hybrid class. You failed at picking a character and then at mechanics most other people can handle. You complain of others telling you aren't doing your job. You aren't supposed to be the main healer as a AM You need to have a thick skin as a healer that's for damn sure and you need a good team playing with some bit of strategy. You act like you want to be able to heal everyone and save everyone all the time and what fun would that be for the other team. Some people are going to fall and you get some say on which ones don't.
There are larger more pressing problems then your lack of understanding and bad choice of class selection.
There are plenty of other people feel the same way as me, and complaining about things you want to see in the game is not bashing the game , I like WAR and have some good other characters that I think are very cool indeed , Witch Hunter being one of my faves ... but I'll stick to my original arguement and that is the Healing classes need some TLC , if you dont agree fine but dont get aggresive with others who disaggree with your viewpoint.
stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.
Where am I bashing the game ?? , Its seems the fanboi mentality has got a hold of you my freind , dont want hear any critiscism of WAR ? Well dont come here bashing people with a different opinion too yours .
how about post #38, #41, #43 for starters? There is no fanboi mentality as my complaints are quite long winded as well. The problem is you come in here and spew of problems that noone else seems to be having about a class you want to play. First off you want to heal and buff yet instead of a pure healer you pick a hybrid class. You failed at picking a character and then at mechanics most other people can handle. You complain of others telling you aren't doing your job. You aren't supposed to be the main healer as a AM You need to have a thick skin as a healer that's for damn sure and you need a good team playing with some bit of strategy. You act like you want to be able to heal everyone and save everyone all the time and what fun would that be for the other team. Some people are going to fall and you get some say on which ones don't.
There are larger more pressing problems then your lack of understanding and bad choice of class selection.
There are plenty of other people feel the same way as me, and complaining about things you want to see in the game is not bashing the game , I like WAR and have some good other characters that I think are very cool indeed , Witch Hunter being one of my faves ... but I'll stick to my original arguement and that is the Healing classes need some TLC , if you dont agree fine but dont get aggresive with others who disaggree with your viewpoint.
I'm not being aggressive as much as you're not getting it. You picked a hybrid class that can heal well. What we really need more of is PURE HEALERS. we need more rune priests. All they do is heal, they dont need to go in the middle of a fight and whack things with hammer or deal with juggling class mechanics. they heal, buff and if time allows add some dps in. Their mechanic is simply making sure no WE jump them and while keeping people alive make sure they don't drain their AP too fast. The class you chose is a secondary healer that actually has some good buffs and debuffs as well as better dps than say a Rune Priest.
I've played four Healing classes, two on each side. Of course, if you are the only healer, you will have trouble healing an entire Scenario Warparty. Group heals wouldn't help there either, because they only work on your party, not the entire warband.
If there is at least one other, fairly competent healer, unless the rest of the warband is severely out ranked, I don't have much trouble keeping up.
If the battle goes on too long with out the tide swinging our way, AP does become a problem, but that's the way it should be.
I started a Zealot going into Tier 1 scenarios at level 2. Healers are the only archetype that can still be effective at lower levels in Scenarios and my level 2 healed for over 20,000 during that match.
Open those party frames for all the parties, so you can heal anyone in the Warband, or get a healing frame add on to make it more compact. (Trying to target the toons directly is a frustrating waste of time, use the party frames).
Do I sometimes have to prioritize and let someone die to keep someone else alive? Yes. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Do I have to keep an eye on the UI to ensure someone I select from the frame is close enough to be targeted and is in range of the heals? Yes. That's were skill comes in, but anyone can learn if they try. Do I have to maintain awareness of my surroundings, watching for threats and knowing where to run if need be? Yes. (Hint, rather than running away, unless the tide has turned and the enemy is in mop up mode, running into the frey is usually the best way to let your team mates see someone is trying to take you out, so they can stomp on them).
If you set up your interface properly , spread your heals around the warband and keep an eye on your surroundings, 20,000 healing in Tier 1 is an achievable goal and will provide huge benefit to your side. Sometimes the nature of the battle means you have fewer spam healing opportunities and you will fall short of that goal. Other times, the battles will be fast and furious and you will exceed them.
However, even with out group heals, there is no reason a Tier 1 healer in this game can't heal for roughly 20,000 per scenario. If you are falling well short, it's not the game, it's your lack of skill. However, that is NOT a put down, you CAN learn to do it right and you will get better the more you play.
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AMEN to this one! I just started a shammy not to long ago man i love that little guy but i cant keep everyone healed what i mainly do is consintratedon the tanks IF i can i will get the off tanks and mages as well basicly what i do is a little fighting, see someone'es health go down and just drop a heal on them then if i notice someone in the middle of an order gang beating i consintrate on healing that person to try and keep them alive. Really dont know why people whine about a "group" heal this makes it a bit more challanging. People are going to die thats the nature of any MMO a specially the zergers. As i always warn the group "yous no protecty me...me lets you die then me giggle and loot your sorry corpse!!!"
How about you guys learn to heal IN THIS GAME, instead of trying to suggest changes to make it like another game, where the mechanic they use in THE OTHER GAME would break more than help because you haven’t thought this through.
Also, F1-6 insta targets group members. Use it.
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Somewhere along the line the OP made the sarcastic remark that I thought I was "Perfect"
Listen, first order of business that my good buddy who joined WAR with me told me --- "Learn your Class"
Really read what your abilities do and how they effect your teammates. Alot of WP only heal themselves because they think they're some kind of half/tank because they don't have large heals like the AM and RP.
After playing a WP and it being my personal favorite, you have to understand, in WAR, its not all about BIG heals to your WHOLE group. Its about making the right choices in a group environment.
For instance One questions I usually ask myself when I'm on a team is should I buff for damage, healing, or armor as I'm only allowed 1 prayer, and usually my options will change in mid battle when I get a good sense of what we're fighting against.
Next, you're not made to heal a whole warband at low levels. You're made for 1 person at a time, and if thats all you can do, thats all you can do. It wouldn't be fair just to have a team spamming AOE heals all day from level 1... they tried to balance PVP as best as possible. Even at the higher levels you don't have an enormous AOE heal -- its on par with the amount of damage the opposing team can do.
I'm not perfect, I've just learned my class AND my role. If you don't like it, there are other more suited classes you may enjoy, and leaving the healing up to those that can "get it right" because every class has to play the cards they're dealt, even when they don't like them.
For some background here...I've played a healer for many years. Defender in CoH, Shaman (I think that's what they were called) in EQ2, Holy Priest in WoW, Minstrel in LotRO...and now a Rune Priest in WAR.
Your problem with not being able to heal enough in WAR is the simple fact that you chose the wrong class. Archmages are NOT pure healers. As someone else stated earlier, Archmages are caster healers: hybrids. Both Order and Destruction have them. They're classified as follows:
Melee healers: Order: Warrior Priests Destruction: Disciple of Khaine
Caster healers: Order: Archmage Destruction: Shaman
Pur(est) Healer: Order: Rune Priest Destruction: Zealot
Now, on to the parts where so many are saying "Healers aren't like in other games, they suck!" Well, my friends, this isn't every other damn game. WAR is different. In every other game, healers (true healers) were fodder for every other class when it came to PvP. In WAR, we are one of the damn hardest classes to kill. Personally, it's a really refreshing change to me. I like not dying every two seconds and being able to stand up and hold my own while healing (and usually being in the top 3, often #1, of healers in a scenario) my teammates. I can't heal when I'm dead afterall.
To say that the Minstrel class was so amazing and that WAR's healers don't heal is so completely off-base it's not funny. There is a lot of healing going on...by those who know how to do it and with what classes. In every single game you will have the morons who bitch and moan about not getting healed without stopping to think of everything that's going on or their part in it. If they're off someplace that only one or two others are and not working together with a group...it's their problem they aren't getting healed. Stop running off and trying to be Superman...morons. If they can't see that their healer is busy healing themselves in a scenario because they're being targetted by countless enemies and playing tank (and yes, I do that often as a Rune Priest; I'll purposely run out there and make myself a target, keep myself healed and let everyone else kill those trying to kill me while not taking any damage themselves) for everyone else...piss off and get with the program.
So, honestly, and in the opinion of someone with extensive healing experience, there is nothing at all wrong with WAR's healers. The problem is with the player playing them and their (mis)conception of what they're choosing.
You want to heal well...make a damn Rune Priest. You want to do decent damage and be a back up healer...make an Archmage or Warrior Priest. Either way, know what it is you're trying to play before bitching when it's not what you wanted.
If your entire team is taking so much damage that you need to use a group heal then you have already won the battle or you are entirely outnumbered.
Assuming team sizes are equal and the enemy is spreading their damage around my group so that an AE heal might have a use, my team will win if one thing is done. All we have to do is focus fire their team down 1 by 1. I can spread single target hots and direct heals long enough to keep just about everyone alive while their number dimish to the point they are no longer a threat.
Healing and mitigation are so strong in this game that the best tactic is to focus fire/assist train down one enemy at a time.
AE heals would be rather nice for PvE since most of the boss encounters I have seen are just tank/spank encounters with some point blank AOE tacked on to the boss. Poor melee classes screwed again by short sighted encounter design.
Since when is Order been getting it's ass wiped? Atleast not in the server where I play
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Second that order wins almost every scenario when i play damn Bright Wizards (dark crag)
On Avelorn where I play, it's a 50/50 shot. I could spend half the day being in scenarios where we're outnumbered and filled with idiots who don't know how to play in the scenario and then I could spend the other half in groups where it's smooth, fluid, and full of Destruction ass kicking.
I understand where you are coming from. I play a Rune Priest and a Shaman so I see your point of view. It sounds to me like you are wanting to be the solo healer type which other games allow for better than WAR does. If you are the only healer in a scenario for instance then you are going to have to let people die. For me, coming from playing WoW, I could heal most of my group on my priest without needing help. It seems to me that the healers in WAR are designed on purpose to be interdependent on each other. If you have another healer in your group I don't think you should be having problems though.
I cant bring myself to post any more and try to get my point across, everyone is just so rude and aggressive , it makes me upset
I'd still like to thank those guys that made nice posts tho
Bye. Thanks for all the vague posts, lack of proof, and misconceptions of the class you chose.
Maybe what you learned here can help someone else make a more informed position.
If by rude and aggressive you mean pointing out the fact that you're the one screwing yourself up, then yep, we sure are.
Just accept the fact that, as oh so many people here pointed out to you, you chose the wrong class for what you wanted to do in game, reroll a Rune Priest, and you'll probably enjoy the game far more.
If by rude and aggressive you mean pointing out the fact that you're the one screwing yourself up, then yep, we sure are.
Just accept the fact that, as oh so many people here pointed out to you, you chose the wrong class for what you wanted to do in game, reroll a Rune Priest, and you'll probably enjoy the game far more.
I'll even admit.. I may have come off somewhat aggressive and I do apologize.. its not in my nature to be that way.. I think I've spent too much time on the forums lately. Spending too much time on these forums will turn you in to the type of people here that just hate for no other reason then just to have something to hate.... I mean the way they talk about some of these games, its like the developers insulted them personally...
So, I'm sorry.
Archmages to do have group heals. So do Warrior preiests. If you want a full on healing AM go Isha and get healing funnel.
Rune priest gets more instant heals though you can spec them purely heal bot if you like.
I haven't read this thread. Why is it 7 pages long? There is a simple answer. AM get group heals and spec into Isha for extra healing.
Thing i have noticed is almost no one on these boards has much knowledge of the way the game acutally works.
People who think there are no hidden quests when you can get a really nice 4 pieces rank 35 jewlery off of hidden quests that show nothing on the map and do not show up on your quest log they even have to use loot drops that don't always happen and 100s of other tome unlocks. Too people being completely unfamilar with how the combat regen or tactics or mastery powers work.
I have rarely seen as much misinformation about something as has been the case with this game. So many people think they know how the game works but are so terribly wrong. And when you tell them they are completely wrong and even given an example they ignore it.
This board is very sad. WAR has its problems but most of the people on these boards complain don't know what they are and are completely wrong about what they are complaining about.
While I play a Rune Priest which is considered the "pure healer" Order side, I've seen both Archmage and Warrior Priest do very well too. I do consider the latter two more of a hybrid although I've seen a WP blow away my healing numbers before. Level 27/RR27 right now. I think any of the classes can be played as a pure healer, I've heard the Archmage is more of the single target healer in terms of its strength (but I could be wrong).
Also, the "Squared" mod on Curse is nice to assist with healing, saves you having to fool with all the damn boxes in the Scenario group window each game. You can move position around via the WAR UI, I set mine right above the morale bar for easy access personally.
If by rude and aggressive you mean pointing out the fact that you're the one screwing yourself up, then yep, we sure are.
Just accept the fact that, as oh so many people here pointed out to you, you chose the wrong class for what you wanted to do in game, reroll a Rune Priest, and you'll probably enjoy the game far more.
I'll even admit.. I may have come off somewhat aggressive and I do apologize.. its not in my nature to be that way.. I think I've spent too much time on the forums lately. Spending too much time on these forums will turn you in to the type of people here that just hate for no other reason then just to have something to hate.... I mean the way they talk about some of these games, its like the developers insulted them personally...
So, I'm sorry.
Thankyou
I am a little late to this discussion but I will agree with the OP and a few others. I play a Destruction Zealot (the pure healer of the Destruction healers) and I have challenges as well. I feel too limited and very much like I cannot do everything to keep my group up. But its a PVP game, and in it people may do dumb things (ie: jump into a crowd of Order and try to take them all down) so I dont beat myself up if I lose people. But I do think some more buffs, utility and aoe heals are needed to spice up the class a bit. In a word...Boring. I am pressing the same few buttons everytime. And being that my dps is crap I have to heal all the time or I'm basically doing a disservice to my group.
I just cxld my account and am waiting for WOTLK. Playing a pure healer in WAR is too boring. And with the "blame the healer" mentality in the game, I predict at higher levels not many pure healers will be around and they will be forced to change or improve the classes.
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To all those who are putting down the Archmage:
otherwise I would have rolled a RP. You can blame Mythic for that I guess, they gave good healing and tanking classes to the ugly dwarves. Nobody wants to be short and fat even in a game.
So I play an Archmage, which can't heal as well so they say (I didn't try a RP at all, so I don't know).
Summitus, nice points you made. I would advice you to send feedback to mythic.
About the buffs, I do like that the buffs in game arent concentrate in one or two classes... I suffered from BOTitist in the past (a strange desease in many MMOs).
Mythic actually said publicly that they were making healers different. That healers will have to fight for healing better. Zealots and Runepriest were a surprised for me in beta because, even when they can do dmg, they dont need to fight to be very good at healing... anyway, I can live with that.
What I am trying to say is that, imho, this is not a design error... quite the opposite. They said they were doing things like this. Don't expect WAR's support to be as EQ or any other MMO support (ofc, some classes have a lot of similarities with other MMOs... but I mean dont expect a Archmage to be a typical healer as you may had known in other games).
So not sure how much your feedback or others' feedback will impact in Mythic but you all should tell them what you think.
Personally I dont see any inbalancing between the two realms in what buffs and heals concern. The 3 main support in both sides are pretty much similar in machanism... not exactly the same but very very similar.
I dont find any problem in healing. My main is a DoK and I am rolling a Zealot now too. I dont have any problem in keeping my group mates healed... except when they overextend or get killed by a group that assist on them.
There will be always people in PUGs complaining about healing.
Thanks for that , I think I will write up a feedback to send them on what I think .... and thanks for your input I did'nt really know they had " Intended AM as it is " I've decided after reading yours and some other nice posts that I'm going to roll a RP alt and play them along side one another and see how I feel with a RP.
I do still firmly believe that the AM could still benefit from a couple more well thought out Group Buffs or even some AOE healing spell .
I even resorted to using RB portable campfire to boost my healing the other night !
But hey thanks for you interesting comments , and I would like to say I still absoulutley love this game so maybe I'm just wanting that little extra from it than you get in other games.
After all my Witch Hunter Kicks Destruction Butt !! One class I think they have got spot on , I love her !