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I want to be a Healer , so let me Heal !!!!

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  • shukes33shukes33 Member Posts: 1,051

    Dont forget that all the classes in WAR although they have been beta tested, they have not been scrutinised as much as since release. So feedback is always worth sending. I have a few small issues with the Shadow warriors that i have sent in.

    Still enjoying it loads though. And still searching Altdorf for Felix and Grotek!

  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by shukes33


    Dont forget that all the classes in WAR although they have been beta tested, they have not been scrutinised as much as since release. So feedback is always worth sending. I have a few small issues with the Shadow warriors that i have sent in.
    Still enjoying it loads though. And still searching Altdorf for Felix and Grotek!



     

    Yeah I am writing up a little feed back as we speak , I think this game will unbeatable once everythings tweaked etc ... also Kudos to Mythic because despite peoples rantings ( including mine  ) they do seem to listen and take action very quickly so Its all good.

    I have a Shadow Warrior too and I'm always a little torn when I log in between WH and SW , my WH seems to be winning the WAR for playtime tho !

    I do feel sorry for them once I get into the healer I want to be though.

    and after all that I hav'nt even touched on Destruction yet ! ... I guess I like to be the good guys.

  • UrrellesUrrelles Member Posts: 574

    Ok, what's up with people claiming and archmage is a PURe healer.  Archmages are hybrids.  they are paladins who cast magic.  Archamges like to focus on single target attacks and heals more than group heals.  They shine best in a 2 vs 2 or 3 vs 3 battle.  You play an Archmage as 1 of 2 ways.

    1.  You cast offense magic on your enemies then pop an extremely powerful heal on an ally who needs it most.

    OR

    2.  you cast many light heals on yoru allies then blast your enemy with one big magic spell.

    The class does have a group heal or 2, but they are emergancy button type of heals.  The class has the strongest single target heal in the game, (along with shaman).

    One final note.  Archmages ALWAYS outheal my Runepriest, and I always focus 100% oin healing with my runepriest.  So the class has to power to put out great healing, you just don't get the easy way out of it by hitting one button here and there as you watch TV and eat a hotdog.

    RUNE PRIEST

    Pure healer who is made to keep a full team alive with no problems.  they come with an assortment of quick caasting group heals, regens, and burst heals.  They also have a few buffs and some defensive abilities.  If you want to be a real healer you choose this class.   they are made for extremely large battles. 

    When you heal as a RunePriest people will see it.  It places a big white mark over top the person you cast a heal on.  You won't get complaints about not healing because people WILL notice your heals.

     

    WARRIOR PRIEST

    You deal melee damage in order to cast powerful buffs and heals.  This class has a lot of regen abilites.  They have quite a few AE heal abilities too, but most of those abilites need to be layered with other AE abilities in order to really feel their effects.

    At early levels Warrior Preist are godly in 2 vs 2 battles.  In later levels they become Godly in large scale battles due to all the group regen and buffs they get.

     

    Go to www.wardb.com.  Look at the career calculators.  Read the spells there to see what you can get later on.  check out the other classes there.  Then you won't come here looking foolish as you claim an Archmage is supposed to primary heal like a Holy priest in WoW, which is not true.

  • BukoBuko Member Posts: 61
    Originally posted by summitus

    Who said I was'nt good at playing a healer ? IMO its broken simple as that more group Buffs and heals are needed especially with the Imbalance between Destruction and Order , you know we are not all fans of frantic button bashing just to do something that should be there in the fisrt place .... but your obviously perfect so I'll leave it there ...

     

     

    If you can't do it, it must be broken o_O?

  • MrbloodworthMrbloodworth Member Posts: 5,615

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  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by Buko

    Originally posted by summitus

    Who said I was'nt good at playing a healer ? IMO its broken simple as that more group Buffs and heals are needed especially with the Imbalance between Destruction and Order , you know we are not all fans of frantic button bashing just to do something that should be there in the fisrt place .... but your obviously perfect so I'll leave it there ...

     

     

    If you can't do it, it must be broken o_O?



     

    Why is just because some people think some things could do with a little tweaking .... people start screaming you cant do it or you must be a crap at playing your class, just because someone has other ideas of how a class should play does'nt mean to say they dont know how to play their chosen class..

    sheesh people please realize everybody's different and stop saying such upsetting things  ...

  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth





     

    So you are being mean to by posting this picture ? and  I'm not an Idiot ok  ..... 

    Why are people so cruel on this forum ....

  • fiontarfiontar Member UncommonPosts: 3,682
    Originally posted by Broomy



    I am a little late to this discussion but I will agree with the OP and a few others.  I play a Destruction Zealot (the pure healer of the Destruction healers) and I have challenges as well.  I feel too limited and very much like I cannot do everything to keep my group up.  But its a PVP game, and in it people may do dumb things (ie: jump into a crowd of Order and try to take them all down) so I dont beat myself up if I lose people.  But I do think some more buffs, utility and aoe heals are needed to spice up the class a bit.  In a word...Boring.  I am pressing the same few buttons everytime.  And being that my dps is crap I have to heal all the time or I'm basically doing a disservice to my group. 
    I just cxld my account and am waiting for WOTLK.  Playing a pure healer in WAR is too boring.   And with the "blame the healer" mentality in the game, I predict at higher levels not many pure healers will be around and they will be forced to change or improve the classes. 

    I wish you would expound on this. I definitely do not find healing in this game "boring". It's the fastest action I've had as a healer in any MMORPG since AO. I'm juggling so many elements at once to reach peak form it's a little scary. It's not just spamming one button, either. I need to make snap judgements on who's a priority and which spell or combination of spells is most appropriate for the circumstances.

    I have alt-itis. Between Open Beta and retail, I must have leveled healers from both factions (skipping Runepriest and Shaman because the races don't appeal to me) at least ten times.

    I got better with each pass and my appreciation for the classes I played only grew. Now that I've settled into Tier 2, it's only getting better.

    I find it a lot more thrilling than playing a Priest in WoW (two level 70 Priests there in my time).

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  • fiontarfiontar Member UncommonPosts: 3,682
    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by Buko

    Originally posted by summitus

    Who said I was'nt good at playing a healer ? IMO its broken simple as that more group Buffs and heals are needed especially with the Imbalance between Destruction and Order , you know we are not all fans of frantic button bashing just to do something that should be there in the fisrt place .... but your obviously perfect so I'll leave it there ...

     

     

    If you can't do it, it must be broken o_O?



     

    Why is just because some people think some things could do with a little tweaking .... people start screaming you cant do it or you must be a crap at playing your class, just because someone has other ideas of how a class should play does'nt mean to say they dont know how to play their chosen class..

    sheesh people please realize everybody's different and stop saying such upsetting things  ...

     

    If you are going to put out ideas on changing things, you need to allow for people to disagree, either on the nature of the changes or the need for changes at all.

    I did the "level a healer to Rank 12" thing numerous times between Open Beta and retail. I've gotten better with each pass and I appreciate the classes much more now that I some what understand them. Not that my understanding is complete, I know I still have a lot to learn.

    I would disagree with healers in this game being more focused on group heals, because to me that lessens skill and player involvement and makes healing just too passive. For me, if you could just spam group heals and be an effective healer, that would be very boring. Thus, I disagree.

    Nothing personal.

    I do feel bad for healers who give up on the game too quickly. Given the fact I have continued to learn the classes and the skills needed to successfully play them every day I play, I think too many are not giving themselves enough time to learn and adapt.

    When transitioning from one game to another, you not only need to learn new ways, but forget the old ones. You can't expect to come to WAR from WOW and not have to adjust.

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  • RictisRictis Member UncommonPosts: 1,300

    Originally posted by Elsabolts


    To give you an honnest answer you should have a Rune Priest which is a pure healer and your offencive folks should go for the Destruction healers fisrt. If you do not do this you will get pretty much owened most of the time. Key is getting the other guys healers, make sure everyone knows who they are, not everyone does and will never say they do not.



     

  • SteelguruSteelguru Member Posts: 118
    Originally posted by ketrine


    To all those who are putting down the Archmage:
      I DO NOT WANT TO BE A DWARF!     
    otherwise I would have rolled a RP.  You can blame Mythic for that I guess, they gave good healing and tanking classes to the ugly dwarves.  Nobody wants to be short and fat even in a game.
    So I play an Archmage, which can't heal as well so they say (I didn't try a RP at all, so I don't know). 



     

    Hey some of us take offense to that!   I like being a short, fat, smelly, crumbs in my beard, beer-stained robe Rune Priest!   Dwarves ftw :) :)

  • fiontarfiontar Member UncommonPosts: 3,682

    When the servers are back up, maybe I'll have to roll another Archmage to verify some things.

    I never felt gimped healing as an Archmage. However, since then I've played a Zealot, which is considered the "pure healer" on the Destruction side.

    It's easier for Arch Mage to throw a little meaningful DPS in, but you have to resist the urge to put any DPS as a priority over needed healing.

    At lower levels, I know Arch Mage suffers in single person burst healing. You definitely need to intelligently spread those Heal over Times around and hope for some help on single targets.

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  • GajariGajari Member Posts: 984

    So, from what I understand, the OP is lazy and would rather click one "heal all" button, as opposed to actually having to do something aside from pressing that one button. Healing is fine in-game - it makes killing those tanks insanely hard, and it can be frustrating sometimes. I can get someone down to one hit left, and I'll keep getting that person down to that one hit worth of health, but they'll keep getting healed and I'll be the one that ends up dying.

    Healing completely turns the tide of battle as it is.

  • TsukieUTsukieU Member Posts: 559
    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth





     

    So you are being mean to by posting this picture ? and  I'm not an Idiot ok  ..... 

    Why are people so cruel on this forum ....

     

    Goddamn I hope you aren't being serious.  If you are, I think I'm inclined to agree with the picture.

     

    This is the internet, oversensitive and emotional need not apply.

    Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.

  • MrbloodworthMrbloodworth Member Posts: 5,615
    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth





     

    So you are being mean to by posting this picture ? and  I'm not an Idiot ok  ..... 

    Why are people so cruel on this forum ....

    No, i was trying to be funny

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  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth





     

    So you are being mean to by posting this picture ? and  I'm not an Idiot ok  ..... 

    Why are people so cruel on this forum ....

    No, i was trying to be funny



     

    I'm sorry if I misunderstood ..

  • StellosStellos Member UncommonPosts: 1,491

    /sigh

    Be patient, level your character and you'll find, as did everyone else, that you will get your abilities that will mold you into the "healer" you want to be.  You can't have it all at the beginning of the game.  At level 40 I'm sure you'll be happy with your healing abilities.

  • goofy3kgoofy3k Member UncommonPosts: 250

    All i can say to the OP is NOOB. Seriously...learn to play. if all healers just had massive group heals healing would be lame.

  • killjoy626killjoy626 Member Posts: 24

    The OP has failed to post what Level they are?? Or did I miss something... not saying you should have to wait until higher levels to enjoy playing your character but... 

    WAR at each tier seems like a completely diffrent game.. in most MMO's the skills you get in the early levels ... are pretty much the same at the higher levels.. just more powerful... with new spells being thrown in at milestone levels... 

    In WAR .. you get completely new skills and ablities as you level.. not to mention renown skills... Moral ablities... etc.  So the character you had at lvl 1 is def. not the same one you have at 40... and that is taking gear out of the mix... add gear in and it gets even more complex... 

    Then you have the fact that your base spells and ablities that you do use as your core.. change as you level... more damage.. slow effects..  new effects ..ect... get added... 

    I have played healers in MMOs going back to Ultima.. and I have to say IMO .. Healers in WAR are the most fun I have had...

    Honestly in WOW.. all I did was watch health bars.. to this day I couldn't tell you what MC looks like.. lol Even though I ran it every week for almost 2 years... In WAR  with my Shaman I get to actively engage in the fight.. I can keep people healed while dishing out decent damage...  

     

  • APRAuroreAPRAurore Member Posts: 330

    Gah, I just can't agree at all with the OP in this thread. As said so many times before, healing is very different from one class to the other, and even between mirrors. I love healers so I have the gammit of them. AMs are not bad healers you just have to figure out some sort of strategy to playing them. Buffs are spread out amidst many classes. Don't forget about debuffs either!

     

    In fact, the AM is very powerful because it is so much of a Swiss Army Knife. It's not just a healing unit, it's a dps and a debuff unit. In PvP even more so than in PvE, debuffing is the first step to healing. You should always be detaunting things like mdps and tanks as much as possible: detaunting a tank that already has lower dps than an mdps will pratically make him incapable of dishing out any damage at all. The less damage being done, the less you have to heal whatever target on your side the tank is hitting. You can also do things like drain peoples' AP: something to think about when you see a bunch of WE/WH/WL/Marauders running around On top of it, as an AM you can charge yourself up as either dps or healing. Yes, it is rough if you're only playing as a healer, but then AMs are not pure healers and imo shouldn't be played as such. The AM is great in conjunction with some other kind of healer in a warband or in small-scale skirmishes. I'd use the AM as a dps/back up healer in larger skirmishes. Something else to consider, because the AM can get off the largest single target heal when charged up, he is actually the best at keeping up targets who have been heal debuffed.

     

    My experience with the RP is that it is more of the classic heal and buff character. However, it's actually less flexible than the AM. WP is also not terribly flexible because of extremely low dps and being limited to mainly HoTs.

     

     

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  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by APRAurore


    Gah, I just can't agree at all with the OP in this thread. As said so many times before, healing is very different from one class to the other, and even between mirrors. I love healers so I have the gammit of them. AMs are not bad healers you just have to figure out some sort of strategy to playing them. Buffs are spread out amidst many classes. Don't forget about debuffs either!
     
    In fact, the AM is very powerful because it is so much of a Swiss Army Knife. It's not just a healing unit, it's a dps and a debuff unit. In PvP even more so than in PvE, debuffing is the first step to healing. You should always be detaunting things like mdps and tanks as much as possible: detaunting a tank that already has lower dps than an mdps will pratically make him incapable of dishing out any damage at all. The less damage being done, the less you have to heal whatever target on your side the tank is hitting. You can also do things like drain peoples' AP: something to think about when you see a bunch of WE/WH/WL/Marauders running around On top of it, as an AM you can charge yourself up as either dps or healing. Yes, it is rough if you're only playing as a healer, but then AMs are not pure healers and imo shouldn't be played as such. The AM is great in conjunction with some other kind of healer in a warband or in small-scale skirmishes. I'd use the AM as a dps/back up healer in larger skirmishes. Something else to consider, because the AM can get off the largest single target heal when charged up, he is actually the best at keeping up targets who have been heal debuffed.
     
    My experience with the RP is that it is more of the classic heal and buff character. However, it's actually less flexible than the AM. WP is also not terribly flexible because of extremely low dps and being limited to mainly HoTs.
     
     



     

    Thanks for the positive comment and thoughts in your post , I must admit after reading post like yours , I am stating to see th AM in a totally different light . I have rolled a RP now and am going to level her up before I make any further decsisions.

    I have been struggleing to find a class I want to stick with through thick and thin , you know when you get that certain character you create which becomes part of you !

    So far I have created a Level 13 Swordmaster a level 15 Witch Hunter ( one of the coolest classes in the game me thinks ! ) a level 12 Ironbreaker and also a level 15 Shadow Warrior .. to answer people that have asked what level my AM is, she is only Level 12 so maybe I need to flesh her out a little more before I decide also.

    Anyway thanks again to those that hav'nt flamed me and given me good food for thought !

    One things for this is the Hardest Mmo I have ever done to settle on a permanant Character. but it is fun looking for the character you want to spend most of your hard earned gaming time with !

  • APRAuroreAPRAurore Member Posts: 330

    Good luck with your RP and AM. I too am having problems settling on just one character class. I might level up both my RP and AM too for two different kind of situations. I am putting my WP on the back burner because it reminded me too much of the old Friar class in DAoC. Though the Friar was a good class on paper, there were a lot of problems with it that made it hard to play without serious amounts of frustration. I think the WP is slightly less problematic though than the original version of the Friar was.

     

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  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by APRAurore


    Good luck with your RP and AM. I too am having problems settling on just one character class. I might level up both my RP and AM too for two different kind of situations. I am putting my WP on the back burner because it reminded me too much of the old Friar class in DAoC. Though the Friar was a good class on paper, there were a lot of problems with it that made it hard to play without serious amounts of frustration. I think the WP is slightly less problematic though than the original version of the Friar was.
     



     

    Thanks  .. I tried a WP too could'nt really get a good feeling from it though ... think it might be a class to come back to later maybe .

  • UrrellesUrrelles Member Posts: 574

    Warrior Priest is hard if you plan to actually be a team player.  If you are selfish and only heal yoruself, the class is easy mode and overpowered. 

     

    But yes, if you want to focus ull on healing with only a rare throw down of damage, then roll a Rune Priest.  At level 14 you will get yoru first group type heal.  The wya you play a runepriest is to layer regen spells on your targets.  It is like a Warcraft Restoration Druid in tree from.  All regen spells.

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