Even if the game has only 400k subs I'll be happy because all those whiners of "my dick is bigger than yours"will be elsewhere toying with another dick.
Those same people bitching around WAR was the same bitching around AoC a few months ago and now all of a sudden Aoc is the mark.
I wish to remind all of you that Vanguard is still around even if it has less than 100k sub and some people are enjoying it and also be aware no matter how intelligent you pretend to be or seem to look like when you flame or deny or prove something you are not a reference but just another dick hanging over 2 balls.
Thanks OP for your informative post for those enjoying the game and wish the game to succeed.
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the game sucks? like i said why do you waste your time in these WAR forums if the game sucks so bad? think i will head back over to them turok boards and start flaming away.
Who was it that said that WAR would fail after initial launch? You're looking rather foolish right now, don't ya think?
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
Umm wait you first said it would take $200 to upgrade ram and video.
Now your saying $600 to play War??
Simply put if you're running 2gb DDR2 and a "botched" video card (I'm not familar with those) then all you really need is a $30 video card............
Or is this just the typical WAR H8r /Obama tactic of keep switching the bar believing your lies are true so you can always complain about something.
It's not about computer specs with war. People need to stop it with "what is your computer specs?" questions. It's Warhammers fault we are having lag issues on their game. Not ours. It's the luck of the draw. If your computer gets no lag, wonderful. I myself have 3gbs, 512mb NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz ...Which handles Most games GREAT in high settings, pretty much all games in low settings with no lag. I can play Lineage 2 in be in a pvp siege with 100 on each side (happened 3 weeks ago) on high settings, no lag at all. Get on Warhammer, I have lag spikes of up to 2 minutes at times with lag here and there.
If you really think it's peoples computers, that's kind of ignorant. Why does the game take up so much memory to run? Why does it close so slowly sometimes causing me to CTRL ALT Del the damn game? Memory Leakage my friend and that's on Warhammer's part. Once they fix it, I MAY just may consider coming back.
You have a built in graphics chip on your motherboard instead of a proper graphics card.
It's time to trade in your redneck computer for a better one I think.
I gave my 1,000 desktop to my brother because he didn't have a computer and he's borrowing it. I'm currently using a x205 series toshiba laptop that cost me 1,600.00.
Manufacturer:
TOSHIBA
Processor:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz
Memory:
2046MB RAM
Hard Drive:
248 GB
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT
Monitor:
Generic PnP Monitor
Sound Card:
Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones:
Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_gdr.071023-1545)
Mind you, it's on a laptop that runs the games I mentioned in earlier in high settings, such as lineage 2, CSS with 70 FPS (not bad for a laptop), etc... with the shitty graphics on Warhammer, it shouldn't be having any problems. If Warhammer is new technology, we are in serious trouble in the mmorpg genre. Point is, this is a good enough computer where I shouldn't be getting any lag from a game like this. It's a Nvidia Geforce 8700m GT graphics card which is one of the best, so I don't know why you're even saying it's a redneck computer, ha. Laptops aren't as strong as desktops, nearly, but still. This is a gaming laptop.
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It's a chip on your motherboard and it's a low performance one to boot.
The game was some what fun at first. Then it started getting to the point of pure bordem.
WAR lacks depth in so many aspects im not going to get into it. Everyday less players online. On my server anyway (Gorefang) ! Best thing about the game is RvR which takes forever to join in one.
Definitley not the worst P2p game out there, but numbers are going to drop rapidly i garuntee it!
WOTLK is going to eat WAR alive without a doubt. I wish new mmo's would give free trials for there games, because i felt robbed buying this game.
You know sales aren't going as well as EA hoped when they have to brag about it beating ' internal EA preorder records'. They also keep using the word 'accounts created' which includes the people who preordered to get into early access and then never bought the game. Look at the steep decline in players on the day the grace period expired. Even if you say they 'sold' 750k boxes, they were still expecting to sell twice that many (1.5M shipped to retailers) and still haven't reached the 800k accounts AOC acheived.
Wow. Your cluelessness is DEAFENING. WAR already sold 1.5 million boxes to the retailers. We're talking about the number of PLAYERS that registered for the game. The fact that WAR made AoC its b* tch in box sales to retailers is already old news (like weeks ago). Now they're making AoC its b* tch in subscribers.
People really need to do a little research before they post....
1,500,000 shipped to retailers 750,000 brought home by players
What happened to the other 750k boxes? they are still sitting on retailer's shelves.
And actually you are wrong. AOC sold 800k boxes to customers.
Warhammer has not released 'subscribers' yet, and their accounts created number (750k) is still less than AoC(800k) was at the same timeframe.
And all of the other indicators are showing that Warhammer is failing badly. It has dropped below #60 on Amazon's game list, and both server numbers (populations) and Xfire both show an almost 40% drop in players.
Don't feel bad, there were people just like you defending AOC back on June 30th. Keep your chin up, you've got a rough couple months ahead of you.
Well, since people keep wanting to claim that server populations have been dropping, que wait times have been going down, ect. Yes, they have. That's primarily because Mythic has been splitting servers and trying to balance out order vs destruction per server. Just because you see the que times go down, and maybe even the server population, doesn't necessarily mean that people are leaving in droves.
bought the game! Played to 20 ! Lost Intrest! The game was some what fun at first. Then it started getting to the point of pure bordem. WAR lacks depth in so many aspects im not going to get into it. Everyday less players online. On my server anyway (Gorefang) ! Best thing about the game is RvR which takes forever to join in one. Definitley not the worst P2p game out there, but numbers are going to drop rapidly i garuntee it! WOTLK is going to eat WAR alive without a doubt. I wish new mmo's would give free trials for there games, because i felt robbed buying this game.
Hey! First of all, welcome to the MMORPG forums Mr.1-post guy. Let's hope that you did not create this account only to post something against Warhammer.
Anyway, a few people think like you do. Like feeling to post whenever you lose interest. I have seen a total of 20-30 posts like this, probably it would add up to like 100? It's human psychology, the minority of the people loves posting stuff like that, especially when they are in pre-teenage period of their lives.
However, good news is that there are a minimum of 750k people NOT thinking the way you are.
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riginally posted by slask777 No it is not. Total video game sales in 2007 where around 18 billion dollars. Make that around 70$ each game and you get around 250 million game sales total withstanding pirated games. XFire got around 250 000 users online in prime time out of around 11 million registered users. 250 000 out of 250 000 000 is a sparce 0.1% of the total amount of gamers. How in the bloody blazes do that represent the gaming community? It's not even taking into account that only around 14% of them is pc gamers. That leaves us with only 0.01% of the gaming community represented through XFire. As far as useless democratic, this one take the top spot easilly. XFire only useful tracking your own gametime and keeping in touch with your gaming friends.Even if we take into account all the users registered through XFire, you end up with a number so small it's laughable. Now, these are numbers far more accurate than any XFire statistic, and I suspect alot lower due to piracy. Atleast I base my numbers on the total, documented sales of games, and not some program anyone can choose to install or not. Source: blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/006324.html
Doesn't matter how much percentage of the Whole industry uses Xfire, only the percentage of people playing Warhammer and using it or not does.
That is why XFire numbers are useless. XFire numbers only speak about XFire users, not the total amount of gamers. On that note, now that I had some sleep I see my math is way off After thinking about those numbers logically I come to the conclusion that the total number of gamers worldwide is ALOT bigger than my estimate, making XFire even less useful as a statistic. It's like asking people in another country is they like my local newspaper and got thoughts of it's sales. Meaningless at best.
WHAT ppl are still playing war? unbelieble...good thing i could test it out before the beta phase went over.
war is really a crap mmo. and wow shouldnt even exist. if i just could knew where those damn servers are to bomb them. I would be probably a hero and some guys could finally concentrate on things in life that are real important.
since internet ppl really have forgoten whats important and how a real family feels like.
You are exactly right. the 415K number for AOC was terrible. But Warhammer hasnt' released that number yet, so we can't tell where it will be. I'm going to try and make a chart to show the comparisons AOC Warhammer
shipped to retailers 1.2M 1.5M
Boxes bought by customers 800K 750k
subscribers after 30 days 415k UNKNOWN It's really that simple. AOC is a terrible game and bombed. But the Warhammer number is nothing to brag about yet because it is less than the AOC number was. As to your first question.. AOC has 400k boxes 'somewhere'.. probably sitting in boxes in retailers warehouses... but Warhammer also has 750k boxes in the same place (although more than likely the warhammer boxes are still on the shelves).
This comparison is horribly wrong except the first number on the list (shipped to retailers). The reason why it is wrong because you forgot to attached the date when they archived those numbers.
Let see
Shipped to retailer:
AoC: 1 million after 1.5 months (They did not ship 1 millions initially, only about 800K)
WAR: 1.5 million initially
Box bought by customer:
First week:
AoC: 400K
WAR: 500K
After that
AoC: 700k - announced Jun 30, (AoC released May 23) link here
WAR: 750K - announced Oct 10 (WAR released Sep 18)
Subscriber:
AoC: 415K ( Q2 report although people have been fighting whether it's Jun 30 number or Aug 15 number)
WAR: UNKNOWN
Now, that's more accurate. So far, except for the subscriber number, WAR has beaten AoC in every number, that's a fact.
Thank you for the footwork with exact dates. I was going to do it but you beat me to it.
Second detail, WAR is still in 5th place on Amazon in PC games (3 ahead of it are pre orders)
And concider, 500K week one, the month is not yet over and a 50% increase in registrations during the first month (22 days to be exact over 10k a day average)? Interresting detail comparing it to The AOC number tossed around. 75% increase over 38 days averaging out to less than 8k a day increase. Looks like math is on WAR's side. And I doubt any pre-release codes without an actual purchase is included in the number.
"Accounts created" does *not* equal "Boxes sold". Every preorder code that has been given out will fall under that category whether people actually bought the game afterwards or not;
Actually, they disabled every pre-order code that did not have an actual game DVD code added to it within a few days (with some minor exceptions, Amazon in particular comes to mind. That code did not enable a profile, just extended temporary headstart access.).
Given that they were very forward and strict about it, I doubt they were lazy enough to add it with the number. Their pattern of behavior until now would indicate more that pre-order accounts that did not have an actual game code were not added. And in the example I quoted, he used numbers from WAR and compared it with AOC that were using the same phrasing, so it's an equal comparison.
They are using the term "Registered" which would also indicate a game code, not pre-order code without valid game code. Nice try attempting to shift the term to "accounts created" which would indicate your point of view.
riginally posted by slask777 No it is not. Total video game sales in 2007 where around 18 billion dollars. Make that around 70$ each game and you get around 250 million game sales total withstanding pirated games. XFire got around 250 000 users online in prime time out of around 11 million registered users. 250 000 out of 250 000 000 is a sparce 0.1% of the total amount of gamers. How in the bloody blazes do that represent the gaming community? It's not even taking into account that only around 14% of them is pc gamers. That leaves us with only 0.01% of the gaming community represented through XFire. As far as useless democratic, this one take the top spot easilly. XFire only useful tracking your own gametime and keeping in touch with your gaming friends.Even if we take into account all the users registered through XFire, you end up with a number so small it's laughable. Now, these are numbers far more accurate than any XFire statistic, and I suspect alot lower due to piracy. Atleast I base my numbers on the total, documented sales of games, and not some program anyone can choose to install or not. Source: blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/006324.html
Doesn't matter how much percentage of the Whole industry uses Xfire, only the percentage of people playing Warhammer and using it or not does.
That is why XFire numbers are useless. XFire numbers only speak about XFire users, not the total amount of gamers. On that note, now that I had some sleep I see my math is way off After thinking about those numbers logically I come to the conclusion that the total number of gamers worldwide is ALOT bigger than my estimate, making XFire even less useful as a statistic. It's like asking people in another country is they like my local newspaper and got thoughts of it's sales. Meaningless at best.
Your making a small misunderstanding mistake in your point, I understand why you think that way but your not looking at it the right way.
XFire is useless if you try to compare one game to another because its not a sample of the whole gaming population. Thats an indeniable fact
XFire is a great tool to see the trend of a particular game as long as the sample is big enough for that said game
If you try to say that... Ex:
Wow had 88.5k people played yesterday on Xfire, 5 million subs (non-asia, approx, its an example)
War had 11.2k
Therefore, War has 8x less subs - 625k
That wouldnt be accurate because xfire is not a sample of the gaming population and you would be right
BUT
if you say
Warhammer had an average of 11.5k people playing this week but last week they had 12.5k
THEN its a valid depiction of the trend of the game, people played less in that (flawed, but pretty accurate) sample. I say flawed because its not a "perfect" sample like every statistics agency try to pick, it increases the margin of error.
You, of course, have to take into consideration the different factors of that said week like...
Did other games have the same drop? Could be a seasonal thing
Did Xfire get updated with a version that caused issues with Warhammer?
Did the competition release a new game? When WotLK launches for example
Did the free month expire? The week through Oct 18th will probably see a drop because of the free month expiration for many. Unless they sell a bunch of new boxes that compensate for them
If Mythic dont fix the lag, low fps issue sonn ( in about a weeks time), believe me, their numbers will start to drop like flies....
Those people might want to consider upgrading their outdated rigs. My machine was running WAR horribly, I upgraded last week and the game runs great (thank you Dell). No more lag, no stuttering, works fine. You cant blame mythic if your rig isnt up to date.
Who was it that said that WAR would fail after initial launch? You're looking rather foolish right now, don't ya think?
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
Umm wait you first said it would take $200 to upgrade ram and video.
Now your saying $600 to play War??
Simply put if you're running 2gb DDR2 and a "botched" video card (I'm not familar with those) then all you really need is a $30 video card............
Or is this just the typical WAR H8r /Obama tactic of keep switching the bar believing your lies are true so you can always complain about something.
It's not about computer specs with war. People need to stop it with "what is your computer specs?" questions. It's Warhammers fault we are having lag issues on their game. Not ours. It's the luck of the draw. If your computer gets no lag, wonderful. I myself have 3gbs, 512mb NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz ...Which handles Most games GREAT in high settings, pretty much all games in low settings with no lag. I can play Lineage 2 in be in a pvp siege with 100 on each side (happened 3 weeks ago) on high settings, no lag at all. Get on Warhammer, I have lag spikes of up to 2 minutes at times with lag here and there.
If you really think it's peoples computers, that's kind of ignorant. Why does the game take up so much memory to run? Why does it close so slowly sometimes causing me to CTRL ALT Del the damn game? Memory Leakage my friend and that's on Warhammer's part. Once they fix it, I MAY just may consider coming back.
You have a built in graphics chip on your motherboard instead of a proper graphics card.
It's time to trade in your redneck computer for a better one I think.
I gave my 1,000 desktop to my brother because he didn't have a computer and he's borrowing it. I'm currently using a x205 series toshiba laptop that cost me 1,600.00.
Manufacturer:
TOSHIBA
Processor:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz
Memory:
2046MB RAM
Hard Drive:
248 GB
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT
Monitor:
Generic PnP Monitor
Sound Card:
Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones:
Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_gdr.071023-1545)
Mind you, it's on a laptop that runs the games I mentioned in earlier in high settings, such as lineage 2, CSS with 70 FPS (not bad for a laptop), etc... with the shitty graphics on Warhammer, it shouldn't be having any problems. If Warhammer is new technology, we are in serious trouble in the mmorpg genre. Point is, this is a good enough computer where I shouldn't be getting any lag from a game like this. It's a Nvidia Geforce 8700m GT graphics card which is one of the best, so I don't know why you're even saying it's a redneck computer, ha. Laptops aren't as strong as desktops, nearly, but still. This is a gaming laptop.
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I am not sure about laptops but my gaming rig has dual 9800 GT SLI --- so the 8700 wouldnt be one of the best, not even close -- unless I am way off base here on the laptops vid cards
I'm on Dark Crag (a heavily populated server) and I have no idea where all these people are at. PQs are empty 98% of the time. RvR svenerios just have the same people round after round... after day after day. Towns/chapters/areas other than, say, Altdorf itself -- are almost desolate.
I'm on Dark Crag (a heavily populated server) and I have no idea where all these people are at. PQs are empty 98% of the time. RvR svenerios just have the same people round after round... after day after day. Towns/chapters/areas other than, say, Altdorf itself -- are almost desolate.
I cannot see this to be a truthful statement. I am on a high/high to full/full server and there are people everywhere. Scenarios pop within 15-30sec during prime-time. The bank in Altdorf is filled with people outside etc. If you are a low pop server that is still building up I can see what you describe but not on a high/high to full/full (the only way I interpret your 'heavily' populated wording).
Having said that they need to incentivize open RvR more in T1 to T3. The exp change is a step in the right direction.
riginally posted by slask777 No it is not. Total video game sales in 2007 where around 18 billion dollars. Make that around 70$ each game and you get around 250 million game sales total withstanding pirated games. XFire got around 250 000 users online in prime time out of around 11 million registered users. 250 000 out of 250 000 000 is a sparce 0.1% of the total amount of gamers. How in the bloody blazes do that represent the gaming community? It's not even taking into account that only around 14% of them is pc gamers. That leaves us with only 0.01% of the gaming community represented through XFire. As far as useless democratic, this one take the top spot easilly. XFire only useful tracking your own gametime and keeping in touch with your gaming friends.Even if we take into account all the users registered through XFire, you end up with a number so small it's laughable. Now, these are numbers far more accurate than any XFire statistic, and I suspect alot lower due to piracy. Atleast I base my numbers on the total, documented sales of games, and not some program anyone can choose to install or not. Source: blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/006324.html
Doesn't matter how much percentage of the Whole industry uses Xfire, only the percentage of people playing Warhammer and using it or not does.
That is why XFire numbers are useless. XFire numbers only speak about XFire users, not the total amount of gamers. On that note, now that I had some sleep I see my math is way off After thinking about those numbers logically I come to the conclusion that the total number of gamers worldwide is ALOT bigger than my estimate, making XFire even less useful as a statistic. It's like asking people in another country is they like my local newspaper and got thoughts of it's sales. Meaningless at best.
Your making a small misunderstanding mistake in your point, I understand why you think that way but your not looking at it the right way.
XFire is useless if you try to compare one game to another because its not a sample of the whole gaming population. Thats an indeniable fact
XFire is a great tool to see the trend of a particular game as long as the sample is big enough for that said game
If you try to say that... Ex:
Wow had 88.5k people played yesterday on Xfire, 5 million subs (non-asia, approx, its an example)
War had 11.2k
Therefore, War has 8x less subs - 625k
That wouldnt be accurate because xfire is not a sample of the gaming population and you would be right
BUT
if you say
Warhammer had an average of 11.5k people playing this week but last week they had 12.5k
THEN its a valid depiction of the trend of the game, people played less in that (flawed, but pretty accurate) sample. I say flawed because its not a "perfect" sample like every statistics agency try to pick, it increases the margin of error.
You, of course, have to take into consideration the different factors of that said week like...
Did other games have the same drop? Could be a seasonal thing
Did Xfire get updated with a version that caused issues with Warhammer?
Did the competition release a new game? When WotLK launches for example
Did the free month expire? The week through Oct 18th will probably see a drop because of the free month expiration for many. Unless they sell a bunch of new boxes that compensate for them
Taken from Wikipedia, regarding Statistical validity. You will find #5 applies here. Your typical gamer does not use XFire. They represent an extreme subset of the gaming community. The only way to ever utilize a program like XFire properly, would be to develop a sociological standard which represents your typical gamer, from there you have a proper data pool to make testing both reliable and valid. Then randomly select from that pool ONLY. Being your typical gamer does not participate in such polling, XFire numbers being valid would vary little from me taking a dart board and throwing at random numbers within a predetermined range (in this case between 0 and 750,000). Sometimes I'll hit the right number, sometimes I won't, but that doesn't mean that random number I hit is going to be accurate just because the dart hit it.
The numbers a publisher releases in terms of registration already give the baseline, nothing there that XFire gave us that Mythic did not release itself.
Campbell and Stanley (1963) define internal validity as the basic requirements for an experiment to be interpretable — did the experiment make a difference in this instance? External validity addresses the question of generalizability — to whom can we generalize this experiment's findings?
[edit] internal validity
Eight extraneous variables can interfere with internal validity:
1. History, the specific events occurring between the first and second measurements in addition to the experimental variables
2. Maturation, processes within the participants as a function of the passage of time (not specific to particular events), e.g., growing older, hungrier, more tired, and so on.
3. Testing, the effects of taking a test upon the scores of a second testing.
4. Instrumentation, changes in calibration of a measurement tool or changes in the observers or scorers may produce changes in the obtained measurements.
5. Statistical regression, operating where groups have been selected on the basis of their extreme scores.
6. Selection, biases resulting from differential selection of respondents for the comparison groups.
7. Experimental mortality, or differential loss of respondents from the comparison groups.
8. Selection-maturation interaction, etc. e.g., in multiple-group quasi-experimental designs
[edit] external validity
Four factors jeopardizing external validity or representativeness are:
9. Reactive or interaction effect of testing, a pretest might increase the scores on a posttest
10. Interaction effects of selection biases and the experimental variable.
11. Reactive effects of experimental arrangements, which would preclude generalization about the effect of the experimental variable upon persons being exposed to it in non-experimental settings
12. Multiple-treatment interference, where effects of earlier treatments are not erasable.
Your making a small misunderstanding mistake in your point, I understand why you think that way but your not looking at it the right way. XFire is useless if you try to compare one game to another because its not a sample of the whole gaming population. Thats an indeniable fact XFire is a great tool to see the trend of a particular game as long as the sample is big enough for that said game (cut the way too long quote)
This isn't true, due to the numbers. XFire only speak for XFire users and even amongst them is questionable at best cause only like 2.5% of the total amount of users registered bother being online with it at prime time. XFire doesn't give you a clue about any trend concerning the general gaming public. The numbers just are too small and a sample can never be big enough. On primetime the most I've seen online on XFire is around 250-300k users. That is like 0.0001 percent of the total gaming public or even less. Don't say squat about the trends in the gaming world.
Your making a small misunderstanding mistake in your point, I understand why you think that way but your not looking at it the right way. XFire is useless if you try to compare one game to another because its not a sample of the whole gaming population. Thats an indeniable fact XFire is a great tool to see the trend of a particular game as long as the sample is big enough for that said game (cut the way too long quote)
This isn't true, due to the numbers. XFire only speak for XFire users and even amongst them is questionable at best cause only like 2.5% of the total amount of users registered bother being online with it at prime time. XFire doesn't give you a clue about any trend concerning the general gaming public. The numbers just are too small and a sample can never be big enough. On primetime the most I've seen online on XFire is around 250-300k users. That is like 0.0001 percent of the total gaming public or even less. Don't say squat about the trends in the gaming world.
The reason for the 2.5% of total amount registered is simple, some registered years ago for a game and then stopped playing. Why use it if you don't play games that need it anymore?
Once again, you misunderstood
Trends of the gaming world is irrelevant to this, only the trend of Warhammer. We're comparing Warhammer to Warhammer here, not Warhammer to X. I don't know how to explain it better than I did before, you should reread it. Perhaps I'm not very good at explaining all this
Steelguru: I already said that Xfire was useless to get a number of subscribers, it was only valid to see if the sample using it was lowering or increasing.
Who was it that said that WAR would fail after initial launch? You're looking rather foolish right now, don't ya think?
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
Umm wait you first said it would take $200 to upgrade ram and video.
Now your saying $600 to play War??
Simply put if you're running 2gb DDR2 and a "botched" video card (I'm not familar with those) then all you really need is a $30 video card............
Or is this just the typical WAR H8r /Obama tactic of keep switching the bar believing your lies are true so you can always complain about something.
It's not about computer specs with war. People need to stop it with "what is your computer specs?" questions. It's Warhammers fault we are having lag issues on their game. Not ours. It's the luck of the draw. If your computer gets no lag, wonderful. I myself have 3gbs, 512mb NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz ...Which handles Most games GREAT in high settings, pretty much all games in low settings with no lag. I can play Lineage 2 in be in a pvp siege with 100 on each side (happened 3 weeks ago) on high settings, no lag at all. Get on Warhammer, I have lag spikes of up to 2 minutes at times with lag here and there.
If you really think it's peoples computers, that's kind of ignorant. Why does the game take up so much memory to run? Why does it close so slowly sometimes causing me to CTRL ALT Del the damn game? Memory Leakage my friend and that's on Warhammer's part. Once they fix it, I MAY just may consider coming back.
You have a built in graphics chip on your motherboard instead of a proper graphics card.
It's time to trade in your redneck computer for a better one I think.
I gave my 1,000 desktop to my brother because he didn't have a computer and he's borrowing it. I'm currently using a x205 series toshiba laptop that cost me 1,600.00.
Manufacturer:
TOSHIBA
Processor:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz
Memory:
2046MB RAM
Hard Drive:
248 GB
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT
Monitor:
Generic PnP Monitor
Sound Card:
Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones:
Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_gdr.071023-1545)
Mind you, it's on a laptop that runs the games I mentioned in earlier in high settings, such as lineage 2, CSS with 70 FPS (not bad for a laptop), etc... with the shitty graphics on Warhammer, it shouldn't be having any problems. If Warhammer is new technology, we are in serious trouble in the mmorpg genre. Point is, this is a good enough computer where I shouldn't be getting any lag from a game like this. It's a Nvidia Geforce 8700m GT graphics card which is one of the best, so I don't know why you're even saying it's a redneck computer, ha. Laptops aren't as strong as desktops, nearly, but still. This is a gaming laptop.
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I am not sure about laptops but my gaming rig has dual 9800 GT SLI --- so the 8700 wouldnt be one of the best, not even close -- unless I am way off base here on the laptops vid cards
No, it's a crappy graphics chip for laptops but Earl here thinks thats it's a powerful graphics card.
Who was it that said that WAR would fail after initial launch? You're looking rather foolish right now, don't ya think?
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
Umm wait you first said it would take $200 to upgrade ram and video.
Now your saying $600 to play War??
Simply put if you're running 2gb DDR2 and a "botched" video card (I'm not familar with those) then all you really need is a $30 video card............
Or is this just the typical WAR H8r /Obama tactic of keep switching the bar believing your lies are true so you can always complain about something.
It's not about computer specs with war. People need to stop it with "what is your computer specs?" questions. It's Warhammers fault we are having lag issues on their game. Not ours. It's the luck of the draw. If your computer gets no lag, wonderful. I myself have 3gbs, 512mb NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz ...Which handles Most games GREAT in high settings, pretty much all games in low settings with no lag. I can play Lineage 2 in be in a pvp siege with 100 on each side (happened 3 weeks ago) on high settings, no lag at all. Get on Warhammer, I have lag spikes of up to 2 minutes at times with lag here and there.
If you really think it's peoples computers, that's kind of ignorant. Why does the game take up so much memory to run? Why does it close so slowly sometimes causing me to CTRL ALT Del the damn game? Memory Leakage my friend and that's on Warhammer's part. Once they fix it, I MAY just may consider coming back.
You have a built in graphics chip on your motherboard instead of a proper graphics card.
It's time to trade in your redneck computer for a better one I think.
I gave my 1,000 desktop to my brother because he didn't have a computer and he's borrowing it. I'm currently using a x205 series toshiba laptop that cost me 1,600.00.
Manufacturer:
TOSHIBA
Processor:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz
Memory:
2046MB RAM
Hard Drive:
248 GB
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT
Monitor:
Generic PnP Monitor
Sound Card:
Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones:
Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_gdr.071023-1545)
Mind you, it's on a laptop that runs the games I mentioned in earlier in high settings, such as lineage 2, CSS with 70 FPS (not bad for a laptop), etc... with the shitty graphics on Warhammer, it shouldn't be having any problems. If Warhammer is new technology, we are in serious trouble in the mmorpg genre. Point is, this is a good enough computer where I shouldn't be getting any lag from a game like this. It's a Nvidia Geforce 8700m GT graphics card which is one of the best, so I don't know why you're even saying it's a redneck computer, ha. Laptops aren't as strong as desktops, nearly, but still. This is a gaming laptop.
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I am not sure about laptops but my gaming rig has dual 9800 GT SLI --- so the 8700 wouldnt be one of the best, not even close -- unless I am way off base here on the laptops vid cards
No, it's a crappy graphics chip for laptops but Earl here thinks thats it's a powerful graphics card.
thanks -- thats what I thought. Anyways, I find it funny how people with crappy rigs complain about the way the game runs.
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Even if the game has only 400k subs I'll be happy because all those whiners of "my dick is bigger than yours"will be elsewhere toying with another dick.
Those same people bitching around WAR was the same bitching around AoC a few months ago and now all of a sudden Aoc is the mark.
I wish to remind all of you that Vanguard is still around even if it has less than 100k sub and some people are enjoying it and also be aware no matter how intelligent you pretend to be or seem to look like when you flame or deny or prove something you are not a reference but just another dick hanging over 2 balls.
Thanks OP for your informative post for those enjoying the game and wish the game to succeed.
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
the game sucks? like i said why do you waste your time in these WAR forums if the game sucks so bad? think i will head back over to them turok boards and start flaming away.
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
Umm wait you first said it would take $200 to upgrade ram and video.
Now your saying $600 to play War??
Simply put if you're running 2gb DDR2 and a "botched" video card (I'm not familar with those) then all you really need is a $30 video card............
Or is this just the typical WAR H8r /Obama tactic of keep switching the bar believing your lies are true so you can always complain about something.
It's not about computer specs with war. People need to stop it with "what is your computer specs?" questions. It's Warhammers fault we are having lag issues on their game. Not ours. It's the luck of the draw. If your computer gets no lag, wonderful. I myself have 3gbs, 512mb NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz ...Which handles Most games GREAT in high settings, pretty much all games in low settings with no lag. I can play Lineage 2 in be in a pvp siege with 100 on each side (happened 3 weeks ago) on high settings, no lag at all. Get on Warhammer, I have lag spikes of up to 2 minutes at times with lag here and there.
If you really think it's peoples computers, that's kind of ignorant. Why does the game take up so much memory to run? Why does it close so slowly sometimes causing me to CTRL ALT Del the damn game? Memory Leakage my friend and that's on Warhammer's part. Once they fix it, I MAY just may consider coming back.
You have a built in graphics chip on your motherboard instead of a proper graphics card.
It's time to trade in your redneck computer for a better one I think.
I gave my 1,000 desktop to my brother because he didn't have a computer and he's borrowing it. I'm currently using a x205 series toshiba laptop that cost me 1,600.00.
Manufacturer:
TOSHIBA
Processor:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz
Memory:
2046MB RAM
Hard Drive:
248 GB
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT
Monitor:
Generic PnP Monitor
Sound Card:
Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones:
Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_gdr.071023-1545)
Mind you, it's on a laptop that runs the games I mentioned in earlier in high settings, such as lineage 2, CSS with 70 FPS (not bad for a laptop), etc... with the shitty graphics on Warhammer, it shouldn't be having any problems. If Warhammer is new technology, we are in serious trouble in the mmorpg genre. Point is, this is a good enough computer where I shouldn't be getting any lag from a game like this. It's a Nvidia Geforce 8700m GT graphics card which is one of the best, so I don't know why you're even saying it's a redneck computer, ha. Laptops aren't as strong as desktops, nearly, but still. This is a gaming laptop.
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It's a chip on your motherboard and it's a low performance one to boot.
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having a blast, most fun ive had in an mmo in years
If Mythic dont fix the lag, low fps issue sonn ( in about a weeks time), believe me, their numbers will start to drop like flies....
RIP Orc Choppa
bought the game! Played to 20 ! Lost Intrest!
The game was some what fun at first. Then it started getting to the point of pure bordem.
WAR lacks depth in so many aspects im not going to get into it. Everyday less players online. On my server anyway (Gorefang) ! Best thing about the game is RvR which takes forever to join in one.
Definitley not the worst P2p game out there, but numbers are going to drop rapidly i garuntee it!
WOTLK is going to eat WAR alive without a doubt. I wish new mmo's would give free trials for there games, because i felt robbed buying this game.
Wow. Your cluelessness is DEAFENING. WAR already sold 1.5 million boxes to the retailers. We're talking about the number of PLAYERS that registered for the game. The fact that WAR made AoC its b* tch in box sales to retailers is already old news (like weeks ago). Now they're making AoC its b* tch in subscribers.
People really need to do a little research before they post....
1,500,000 shipped to retailers 750,000 brought home by players
What happened to the other 750k boxes? they are still sitting on retailer's shelves.
And actually you are wrong. AOC sold 800k boxes to customers.
http://www.funcom.com/wsp/funcom/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&func_id=1317&table=CONTENT
Warhammer has not released 'subscribers' yet, and their accounts created number (750k) is still less than AoC(800k) was at the same timeframe.
And all of the other indicators are showing that Warhammer is failing badly. It has dropped below #60 on Amazon's game list, and both server numbers (populations) and Xfire both show an almost 40% drop in players.
Don't feel bad, there were people just like you defending AOC back on June 30th. Keep your chin up, you've got a rough couple months ahead of you.
Well, since people keep wanting to claim that server populations have been dropping, que wait times have been going down, ect. Yes, they have. That's primarily because Mythic has been splitting servers and trying to balance out order vs destruction per server. Just because you see the que times go down, and maybe even the server population, doesn't necessarily mean that people are leaving in droves.
And still you spend so much time on these forums? you are a very nice troll. Your one liner opinions are amazing. Always up to the point.
Now you can post with your alt to disagree with me and agree with yourself.
Hey! First of all, welcome to the MMORPG forums Mr.1-post guy. Let's hope that you did not create this account only to post something against Warhammer.
Anyway, a few people think like you do. Like feeling to post whenever you lose interest. I have seen a total of 20-30 posts like this, probably it would add up to like 100? It's human psychology, the minority of the people loves posting stuff like that, especially when they are in pre-teenage period of their lives.
However, good news is that there are a minimum of 750k people NOT thinking the way you are.
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Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
Lolol, the clones destroyed it all, the servers are like empty. Fuck WAR.
Doesn't matter how much percentage of the Whole industry uses Xfire, only the percentage of people playing Warhammer and using it or not does.
That is why XFire numbers are useless. XFire numbers only speak about XFire users, not the total amount of gamers. On that note, now that I had some sleep I see my math is way off
After thinking about those numbers logically I come to the conclusion that the total number of gamers worldwide is ALOT bigger than my estimate, making XFire even less useful as a statistic. It's like asking people in another country is they like my local newspaper and got thoughts of it's sales. Meaningless at best.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
WHAT ppl are still playing war? unbelieble...good thing i could test it out before the beta phase went over.
war is really a crap mmo. and wow shouldnt even exist. if i just could knew where those damn servers are to bomb them. I would be probably a hero and some guys could finally concentrate on things in life that are real important.
since internet ppl really have forgoten whats important and how a real family feels like.
This comparison is horribly wrong except the first number on the list (shipped to retailers). The reason why it is wrong because you forgot to attached the date when they archived those numbers.
Let see
Shipped to retailer:
AoC: 1 million after 1.5 months (They did not ship 1 millions initially, only about 800K)
WAR: 1.5 million initially
Box bought by customer:
First week:
AoC: 400K
WAR: 500K
After that
AoC: 700k - announced Jun 30, (AoC released May 23) link here
WAR: 750K - announced Oct 10 (WAR released Sep 18)
Subscriber:
AoC: 415K ( Q2 report although people have been fighting whether it's Jun 30 number or Aug 15 number)
WAR: UNKNOWN
Now, that's more accurate. So far, except for the subscriber number, WAR has beaten AoC in every number, that's a fact.
Thank you for the footwork with exact dates. I was going to do it but you beat me to it.
Second detail, WAR is still in 5th place on Amazon in PC games (3 ahead of it are pre orders)
And concider, 500K week one, the month is not yet over and a 50% increase in registrations during the first month (22 days to be exact over 10k a day average)? Interresting detail comparing it to The AOC number tossed around. 75% increase over 38 days averaging out to less than 8k a day increase. Looks like math is on WAR's side. And I doubt any pre-release codes without an actual purchase is included in the number.
"Accounts created" does *not* equal "Boxes sold". Every preorder code that has been given out will fall under that category whether people actually bought the game afterwards or not;
Actually, they disabled every pre-order code that did not have an actual game DVD code added to it within a few days (with some minor exceptions, Amazon in particular comes to mind. That code did not enable a profile, just extended temporary headstart access.).
Given that they were very forward and strict about it, I doubt they were lazy enough to add it with the number. Their pattern of behavior until now would indicate more that pre-order accounts that did not have an actual game code were not added. And in the example I quoted, he used numbers from WAR and compared it with AOC that were using the same phrasing, so it's an equal comparison.
They are using the term "Registered" which would also indicate a game code, not pre-order code without valid game code. Nice try attempting to shift the term to "accounts created" which would indicate your point of view.
Have a good day
WAR is on its way to establishing itself as the second most popular western MMO as I thought it would. That's a lot of players in three weeks.
Doesn't matter how much percentage of the Whole industry uses Xfire, only the percentage of people playing Warhammer and using it or not does.
That is why XFire numbers are useless. XFire numbers only speak about XFire users, not the total amount of gamers. On that note, now that I had some sleep I see my math is way off
After thinking about those numbers logically I come to the conclusion that the total number of gamers worldwide is ALOT bigger than my estimate, making XFire even less useful as a statistic. It's like asking people in another country is they like my local newspaper and got thoughts of it's sales. Meaningless at best.
Your making a small misunderstanding mistake in your point, I understand why you think that way but your not looking at it the right way.
XFire is useless if you try to compare one game to another because its not a sample of the whole gaming population. Thats an indeniable fact
XFire is a great tool to see the trend of a particular game as long as the sample is big enough for that said game
If you try to say that... Ex:
Wow had 88.5k people played yesterday on Xfire, 5 million subs (non-asia, approx, its an example)
War had 11.2k
Therefore, War has 8x less subs - 625k
That wouldnt be accurate because xfire is not a sample of the gaming population and you would be right
BUT
if you say
Warhammer had an average of 11.5k people playing this week but last week they had 12.5k
THEN its a valid depiction of the trend of the game, people played less in that (flawed, but pretty accurate) sample. I say flawed because its not a "perfect" sample like every statistics agency try to pick, it increases the margin of error.
You, of course, have to take into consideration the different factors of that said week like...
Did other games have the same drop? Could be a seasonal thing
Did Xfire get updated with a version that caused issues with Warhammer?
Did the competition release a new game? When WotLK launches for example
Did the free month expire? The week through Oct 18th will probably see a drop because of the free month expiration for many. Unless they sell a bunch of new boxes that compensate for them
Those people might want to consider upgrading their outdated rigs. My machine was running WAR horribly, I upgraded last week and the game runs great (thank you Dell). No more lag, no stuttering, works fine. You cant blame mythic if your rig isnt up to date.
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
Umm wait you first said it would take $200 to upgrade ram and video.
Now your saying $600 to play War??
Simply put if you're running 2gb DDR2 and a "botched" video card (I'm not familar with those) then all you really need is a $30 video card............
Or is this just the typical WAR H8r /Obama tactic of keep switching the bar believing your lies are true so you can always complain about something.
It's not about computer specs with war. People need to stop it with "what is your computer specs?" questions. It's Warhammers fault we are having lag issues on their game. Not ours. It's the luck of the draw. If your computer gets no lag, wonderful. I myself have 3gbs, 512mb NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz ...Which handles Most games GREAT in high settings, pretty much all games in low settings with no lag. I can play Lineage 2 in be in a pvp siege with 100 on each side (happened 3 weeks ago) on high settings, no lag at all. Get on Warhammer, I have lag spikes of up to 2 minutes at times with lag here and there.
If you really think it's peoples computers, that's kind of ignorant. Why does the game take up so much memory to run? Why does it close so slowly sometimes causing me to CTRL ALT Del the damn game? Memory Leakage my friend and that's on Warhammer's part. Once they fix it, I MAY just may consider coming back.
You have a built in graphics chip on your motherboard instead of a proper graphics card.
It's time to trade in your redneck computer for a better one I think.
I gave my 1,000 desktop to my brother because he didn't have a computer and he's borrowing it. I'm currently using a x205 series toshiba laptop that cost me 1,600.00.
Manufacturer:
TOSHIBA
Processor:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz
Memory:
2046MB RAM
Hard Drive:
248 GB
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT
Monitor:
Generic PnP Monitor
Sound Card:
Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones:
Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_gdr.071023-1545)
Mind you, it's on a laptop that runs the games I mentioned in earlier in high settings, such as lineage 2, CSS with 70 FPS (not bad for a laptop), etc... with the shitty graphics on Warhammer, it shouldn't be having any problems. If Warhammer is new technology, we are in serious trouble in the mmorpg genre. Point is, this is a good enough computer where I shouldn't be getting any lag from a game like this. It's a Nvidia Geforce 8700m GT graphics card which is one of the best, so I don't know why you're even saying it's a redneck computer, ha. Laptops aren't as strong as desktops, nearly, but still. This is a gaming laptop.
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I am not sure about laptops but my gaming rig has dual 9800 GT SLI --- so the 8700 wouldnt be one of the best, not even close -- unless I am way off base here on the laptops vid cards
I'm on Dark Crag (a heavily populated server) and I have no idea where all these people are at. PQs are empty 98% of the time. RvR svenerios just have the same people round after round... after day after day. Towns/chapters/areas other than, say, Altdorf itself -- are almost desolate.
I cannot see this to be a truthful statement. I am on a high/high to full/full server and there are people everywhere. Scenarios pop within 15-30sec during prime-time. The bank in Altdorf is filled with people outside etc. If you are a low pop server that is still building up I can see what you describe but not on a high/high to full/full (the only way I interpret your 'heavily' populated wording).
Having said that they need to incentivize open RvR more in T1 to T3. The exp change is a step in the right direction.
Doesn't matter how much percentage of the Whole industry uses Xfire, only the percentage of people playing Warhammer and using it or not does.
That is why XFire numbers are useless. XFire numbers only speak about XFire users, not the total amount of gamers. On that note, now that I had some sleep I see my math is way off
After thinking about those numbers logically I come to the conclusion that the total number of gamers worldwide is ALOT bigger than my estimate, making XFire even less useful as a statistic. It's like asking people in another country is they like my local newspaper and got thoughts of it's sales. Meaningless at best.
Your making a small misunderstanding mistake in your point, I understand why you think that way but your not looking at it the right way.
XFire is useless if you try to compare one game to another because its not a sample of the whole gaming population. Thats an indeniable fact
XFire is a great tool to see the trend of a particular game as long as the sample is big enough for that said game
If you try to say that... Ex:
Wow had 88.5k people played yesterday on Xfire, 5 million subs (non-asia, approx, its an example)
War had 11.2k
Therefore, War has 8x less subs - 625k
That wouldnt be accurate because xfire is not a sample of the gaming population and you would be right
BUT
if you say
Warhammer had an average of 11.5k people playing this week but last week they had 12.5k
THEN its a valid depiction of the trend of the game, people played less in that (flawed, but pretty accurate) sample. I say flawed because its not a "perfect" sample like every statistics agency try to pick, it increases the margin of error.
You, of course, have to take into consideration the different factors of that said week like...
Did other games have the same drop? Could be a seasonal thing
Did Xfire get updated with a version that caused issues with Warhammer?
Did the competition release a new game? When WotLK launches for example
Did the free month expire? The week through Oct 18th will probably see a drop because of the free month expiration for many. Unless they sell a bunch of new boxes that compensate for them
Taken from Wikipedia, regarding Statistical validity. You will find #5 applies here. Your typical gamer does not use XFire. They represent an extreme subset of the gaming community. The only way to ever utilize a program like XFire properly, would be to develop a sociological standard which represents your typical gamer, from there you have a proper data pool to make testing both reliable and valid. Then randomly select from that pool ONLY. Being your typical gamer does not participate in such polling, XFire numbers being valid would vary little from me taking a dart board and throwing at random numbers within a predetermined range (in this case between 0 and 750,000). Sometimes I'll hit the right number, sometimes I won't, but that doesn't mean that random number I hit is going to be accurate just because the dart hit it.
The numbers a publisher releases in terms of registration already give the baseline, nothing there that XFire gave us that Mythic did not release itself.
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Statistical conclusion validity
[edit] Factors jeopardizing validity
Campbell and Stanley (1963) define internal validity as the basic requirements for an experiment to be interpretable — did the experiment make a difference in this instance? External validity addresses the question of generalizability — to whom can we generalize this experiment's findings?
[edit] internal validity
Eight extraneous variables can interfere with internal validity:
1. History, the specific events occurring between the first and second measurements in addition to the experimental variables
2. Maturation, processes within the participants as a function of the passage of time (not specific to particular events), e.g., growing older, hungrier, more tired, and so on.
3. Testing, the effects of taking a test upon the scores of a second testing.
4. Instrumentation, changes in calibration of a measurement tool or changes in the observers or scorers may produce changes in the obtained measurements.
5. Statistical regression, operating where groups have been selected on the basis of their extreme scores.
6. Selection, biases resulting from differential selection of respondents for the comparison groups.
7. Experimental mortality, or differential loss of respondents from the comparison groups.
8. Selection-maturation interaction, etc. e.g., in multiple-group quasi-experimental designs
[edit] external validity
Four factors jeopardizing external validity or representativeness are:
9. Reactive or interaction effect of testing, a pretest might increase the scores on a posttest
10. Interaction effects of selection biases and the experimental variable.
11. Reactive effects of experimental arrangements, which would preclude generalization about the effect of the experimental variable upon persons being exposed to it in non-experimental settings
12. Multiple-treatment interference, where effects of earlier treatments are not erasable.
Dunno that, Guildwars is still pretty big, It was number 3 after WAR on X-fire this week however but X-fire is not that reliable...
Still if WAR can establish as number 2 or 3 it is a great achivement for Mythic, but don't underestimated GW, it have a big player and fan base.
This isn't true, due to the numbers. XFire only speak for XFire users and even amongst them is questionable at best cause only like 2.5% of the total amount of users registered bother being online with it at prime time. XFire doesn't give you a clue about any trend concerning the general gaming public. The numbers just are too small and a sample can never be big enough. On primetime the most I've seen online on XFire is around 250-300k users. That is like 0.0001 percent of the total gaming public or even less. Don't say squat about the trends in the gaming world.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
This isn't true, due to the numbers. XFire only speak for XFire users and even amongst them is questionable at best cause only like 2.5% of the total amount of users registered bother being online with it at prime time. XFire doesn't give you a clue about any trend concerning the general gaming public. The numbers just are too small and a sample can never be big enough. On primetime the most I've seen online on XFire is around 250-300k users. That is like 0.0001 percent of the total gaming public or even less. Don't say squat about the trends in the gaming world.
The reason for the 2.5% of total amount registered is simple, some registered years ago for a game and then stopped playing. Why use it if you don't play games that need it anymore?
Once again, you misunderstood
Trends of the gaming world is irrelevant to this, only the trend of Warhammer. We're comparing Warhammer to Warhammer here, not Warhammer to X. I don't know how to explain it better than I did before, you should reread it. Perhaps I'm not very good at explaining all this
Steelguru: I already said that Xfire was useless to get a number of subscribers, it was only valid to see if the sample using it was lowering or increasing.
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
Umm wait you first said it would take $200 to upgrade ram and video.
Now your saying $600 to play War??
Simply put if you're running 2gb DDR2 and a "botched" video card (I'm not familar with those) then all you really need is a $30 video card............
Or is this just the typical WAR H8r /Obama tactic of keep switching the bar believing your lies are true so you can always complain about something.
It's not about computer specs with war. People need to stop it with "what is your computer specs?" questions. It's Warhammers fault we are having lag issues on their game. Not ours. It's the luck of the draw. If your computer gets no lag, wonderful. I myself have 3gbs, 512mb NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz ...Which handles Most games GREAT in high settings, pretty much all games in low settings with no lag. I can play Lineage 2 in be in a pvp siege with 100 on each side (happened 3 weeks ago) on high settings, no lag at all. Get on Warhammer, I have lag spikes of up to 2 minutes at times with lag here and there.
If you really think it's peoples computers, that's kind of ignorant. Why does the game take up so much memory to run? Why does it close so slowly sometimes causing me to CTRL ALT Del the damn game? Memory Leakage my friend and that's on Warhammer's part. Once they fix it, I MAY just may consider coming back.
You have a built in graphics chip on your motherboard instead of a proper graphics card.
It's time to trade in your redneck computer for a better one I think.
I gave my 1,000 desktop to my brother because he didn't have a computer and he's borrowing it. I'm currently using a x205 series toshiba laptop that cost me 1,600.00.
Manufacturer:
TOSHIBA
Processor:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz
Memory:
2046MB RAM
Hard Drive:
248 GB
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT
Monitor:
Generic PnP Monitor
Sound Card:
Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones:
Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_gdr.071023-1545)
Mind you, it's on a laptop that runs the games I mentioned in earlier in high settings, such as lineage 2, CSS with 70 FPS (not bad for a laptop), etc... with the shitty graphics on Warhammer, it shouldn't be having any problems. If Warhammer is new technology, we are in serious trouble in the mmorpg genre. Point is, this is a good enough computer where I shouldn't be getting any lag from a game like this. It's a Nvidia Geforce 8700m GT graphics card which is one of the best, so I don't know why you're even saying it's a redneck computer, ha. Laptops aren't as strong as desktops, nearly, but still. This is a gaming laptop.
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I am not sure about laptops but my gaming rig has dual 9800 GT SLI --- so the 8700 wouldnt be one of the best, not even close -- unless I am way off base here on the laptops vid cards
No, it's a crappy graphics chip for laptops but Earl here thinks thats it's a powerful graphics card.
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
Umm wait you first said it would take $200 to upgrade ram and video.
Now your saying $600 to play War??
Simply put if you're running 2gb DDR2 and a "botched" video card (I'm not familar with those) then all you really need is a $30 video card............
Or is this just the typical WAR H8r /Obama tactic of keep switching the bar believing your lies are true so you can always complain about something.
It's not about computer specs with war. People need to stop it with "what is your computer specs?" questions. It's Warhammers fault we are having lag issues on their game. Not ours. It's the luck of the draw. If your computer gets no lag, wonderful. I myself have 3gbs, 512mb NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz ...Which handles Most games GREAT in high settings, pretty much all games in low settings with no lag. I can play Lineage 2 in be in a pvp siege with 100 on each side (happened 3 weeks ago) on high settings, no lag at all. Get on Warhammer, I have lag spikes of up to 2 minutes at times with lag here and there.
If you really think it's peoples computers, that's kind of ignorant. Why does the game take up so much memory to run? Why does it close so slowly sometimes causing me to CTRL ALT Del the damn game? Memory Leakage my friend and that's on Warhammer's part. Once they fix it, I MAY just may consider coming back.
You have a built in graphics chip on your motherboard instead of a proper graphics card.
It's time to trade in your redneck computer for a better one I think.
I gave my 1,000 desktop to my brother because he didn't have a computer and he's borrowing it. I'm currently using a x205 series toshiba laptop that cost me 1,600.00.
Manufacturer:
TOSHIBA
Processor:
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.8GHz
Memory:
2046MB RAM
Hard Drive:
248 GB
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT
Monitor:
Generic PnP Monitor
Sound Card:
Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones:
Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_gdr.071023-1545)
Mind you, it's on a laptop that runs the games I mentioned in earlier in high settings, such as lineage 2, CSS with 70 FPS (not bad for a laptop), etc... with the shitty graphics on Warhammer, it shouldn't be having any problems. If Warhammer is new technology, we are in serious trouble in the mmorpg genre. Point is, this is a good enough computer where I shouldn't be getting any lag from a game like this. It's a Nvidia Geforce 8700m GT graphics card which is one of the best, so I don't know why you're even saying it's a redneck computer, ha. Laptops aren't as strong as desktops, nearly, but still. This is a gaming laptop.
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I am not sure about laptops but my gaming rig has dual 9800 GT SLI --- so the 8700 wouldnt be one of the best, not even close -- unless I am way off base here on the laptops vid cards
No, it's a crappy graphics chip for laptops but Earl here thinks thats it's a powerful graphics card.
thanks -- thats what I thought. Anyways, I find it funny how people with crappy rigs complain about the way the game runs.