I find the pvp in war extremely weak and boring 9 time out of 10 you can tell who's going to win before it's even begun, the system also has the same weakness as WOWs pvp with melee completely dominating the game.
In remark to Mele completely dominating the game like in WoW, since when have you seen a Warrior beat out a warlock, or mage. I saw 2 equally skilled, equally geared classes duke it out on the Puble Test Realm yestarday trying out the new 51 point talents, a Warrior and a Mage, mage completely destroyed the warrior with their new damn Deep freeze spell (or whatever it's called) that acts like a rogues stun. Warrior didn't stand a chance. Warlocks just dot them up and fear them and they drop. So no, mele doens't dominate in wow, over use of CC and CC breaking skills that every class has other than Shaman is what dominates that game.
"Whoever said 'honesty is the best policy' didn't have a girlfriend with a fat @$$";
Omg this is terrible .Because of posts like this now warhammer has only 750'000 accounts after 2 months.I guess they might as well shut this game down:)
Since that number also includes pre-order and open beta accounts, it really means nothing. Subscription numbers after the first free month will be the true indicator.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Omg this is terrible .Because of posts like this now warhammer has only 750'000 accounts after 2 months.I guess they might as well shut this game down:)
A bold try but Im affraid you fail - WAR like AOC will loose its initial numbers - to litle (way to litle - curse you EA) to soon ... but than again I might be wrong - from time to time / heh C3PO comes to my mind in EP5 on Hoth planet .
I understand there will be a few of you that disagree and will choose to try and insult me in your clever little ways. Feel free but the fact remains, WAR is weak. It doesn't compare to WoW in PvE content and is laughable compared to DAoC in RvR. LAUGHABLE!! three2six
If you would just express your opinions and not imply that they are "facts" then maybe you would be taken more seriously.
You, sir, hit the nail. I would have taken him seriously, if not for stating the so-called "facts".
I wonder, if everyone loving the game would make a post every 5 minutes about how good it really is, would more people start playing? I wonder.
I understand there will be a few of you that disagree and will choose to try and insult me in your clever little ways. Feel free but the fact remains, WAR is weak. It doesn't compare to WoW in PvE content and is laughable compared to DAoC in RvR. LAUGHABLE!! three2six
If you would just express your opinions and not imply that they are "facts" then maybe you would be taken more seriously.
You, sir, hit the nail. I would have taken him seriously, if not for stating the so-called "facts".
I wonder, if everyone loving the game would make a post every 5 minutes about how good it really is, would more people start playing? I wonder.
That's just the point, people who enjoy the game would more than likely be actually playing the game rather than hanging out on the forums all day making posts. Only reason I'm not in game is due to a little computer misshap that's caused my client and some other key programs to corrupt. So untill i reload a few drivers and the client, the only thing i can do is hang out here and entertain myself with the bickering going on back and forth between these people.
"Whoever said 'honesty is the best policy' didn't have a girlfriend with a fat @$$";
I understand there will be a few of you that disagree and will choose to try and insult me in your clever little ways. Feel free but the fact remains, WAR is weak. It doesn't compare to WoW in PvE content and is laughable compared to DAoC in RvR. LAUGHABLE!! three2six
If you would just express your opinions and not imply that they are "facts" then maybe you would be taken more seriously.
You, sir, hit the nail. I would have taken him seriously, if not for stating the so-called "facts".
I wonder, if everyone loving the game would make a post every 5 minutes about how good it really is, would more people start playing? I wonder.
That's just the point, people who enjoy the game would more than likely be actually playing the game rather than hanging out on the forums all day making posts. Only reason I'm not in game is due to a little computer misshap that's caused my client and some other key programs to corrupt. So untill i reload a few drivers and the client, the only thing i can do is hang out here and entertain myself with the bickering going on back and forth between these people.
I SO MUCH envy you for liking Warhammer online - You Dear Sir are a one lucky bastard / gues WAR is to having players like You!
I find the pvp in war extremely weak and boring 9 time out of 10 you can tell who's going to win before it's even begun, the system also has the same weakness as WOWs pvp with melee completely dominating the game.
In remark to Mele completely dominating the game like in WoW, since when have you seen a Warrior beat out a warlock, or mage. I saw 2 equally skilled, equally geared classes duke it out on the Puble Test Realm yestarday trying out the new 51 point talents, a Warrior and a Mage, mage completely destroyed the warrior with their new damn Deep freeze spell (or whatever it's called) that acts like a rogues stun. Warrior didn't stand a chance. Warlocks just dot them up and fear them and they drop. So no, mele doens't dominate in wow, over use of CC and CC breaking skills that every class has other than Shaman is what dominates that game.
Those skills aren't in game yet i'am talking about the current game rogues and warriors have dominated the game for the last 6 months+. AS a warrior I found warlocks one of the easyest classes to beat although a fight against a well played mage can be a bit one sided.
than don't play it... does coming on here and bitching and crying make the game any more fun for you?
since when did people take up this mentality that just because THEY don't like a game, it is sooo important to come to the forums and cry about it to the point all you ever read on these sites is thread after thread of complete negativity and "this game is so bad, the people who made it should all be fired because I don't like it!!"
sad sad days in the mmo world.
Ahh yes the classic "if you dont like it dont play it" line. I'm not sure why you bothered saying that as its probably more than likely that the OP wont be playing the game. So basicly you have told him to do something that he is probably already doing.
I dont think the OP ever thought that it was "sooooo important to come to the forums and cry". He just vented his opinion as he is pissed off that WAR isnt anywhere near as good as it could have been. Whats wrong with that?
Yet for some reason voicing a negative opinion about WAR has annoyed you. Why is that?
I find the pvp in war extremely weak and boring 9 time out of 10 you can tell who's going to win before it's even begun, the system also has the same weakness as WOWs pvp with melee completely dominating the game.
In remark to Mele completely dominating the game like in WoW, since when have you seen a Warrior beat out a warlock, or mage. I saw 2 equally skilled, equally geared classes duke it out on the Puble Test Realm yestarday trying out the new 51 point talents, a Warrior and a Mage, mage completely destroyed the warrior with their new damn Deep freeze spell (or whatever it's called) that acts like a rogues stun. Warrior didn't stand a chance. Warlocks just dot them up and fear them and they drop. So no, mele doens't dominate in wow, over use of CC and CC breaking skills that every class has other than Shaman is what dominates that game.
Those skills aren't in game yet i'am talking about the current game rogues and warriors have dominated the game for the last 6 months+. AS a warrior I found warlocks one of the easyest classes to beat although a fight against a well played mage can be a bit one sided.
Agreed, however that'll change on Tuesday from what i'm hearing. The new skills and revamped abilities are going live then. What i wish Blizzard would do is since they've been trying to balance classes in PVP, i wish they'd give some actual attention to shamans. I play a T5 Resto shaman and i have like what, 1 cast interrupt as long as it's not an instant cast spell. Only time i'm PVPing on level ground is against another shaman. Otherwise i get CC'ed to death with none of my own to counter it.
"Whoever said 'honesty is the best policy' didn't have a girlfriend with a fat @$$";
Funny seeing people tell the OP that this game isn't for him. Notice him saying that he's played DAoC for 7 years? This game was supposed to be for him. This game was supposed to be the next step for DAoC players. Instead it's a casual game for ex-WoW and FPS players.
Well it is a fair assessment for the most part. It's hard to argue with the truisms. Of course, I can understand someone waiting for this for 3 years and then being let down.
I personally never waited for this and never intended to play it. But, aside from his facts (not to be confused with his opinions) it can be a fun game if you take it for what it is.
I suppose as a person who just picked it up to see what it was about, I have no preconceived notions or expectations. I'm having a blast. But I take it for what it is.
But I suppose the op just needs to vent. no problem with that but after a while it becomes wallpaper with all the other people who are venting. In any case I respect his points as there are issues. But I still feel the game can be fun if you allow the fun parts to just "be".
Oh and I see Death Priest is a part of Divine.
Just wanted to shout out to Death Priest and Divine. I've fought you guys in sieges (won some/lost some) and have a lot of respect for them.
Strength and Honor.
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Ever since WoW games have been "rushed" to the market. VG was rushed. AOC was rushed. War is no exception...clearly it was rushed. Any bets Stargate Worlds and every other up and coming new release is rushed and unfinished buggy messes. Sooner or later the developers and the publishers will wake up and realize that this is no long a new genre and that the people that they are targeting to play their games will not play them if they are not good games right out of the box. Wish to play an exceptional game try - Mount and Blade . Without a doubt the best game to come along in years.
Oh my god.......Mount & Blade looks incredible!!! So much detail!! If only an mmo could be like that (I gather M&B isnt online right?).
instead we get Warhammer Online where even a 7 year old can kick everyones arse.....yeah thats right I was grouped with a bunch of players several days ago and the reality of what I was playing hit home when I found out that the one that was playing the best was only 7 years old!
It kind of says it all about these types of games really doesnt it.
I think the OP is pretty much spot on in his assessment. However, what he didn't point out is most games are more flawed than that at launch. Server stability is usually the make or break issue at launch and WAR passed that with flying colors. Is WAR a perfect MMO? Hell no. In fact, theres 1 or 2 things about it that changed since beta that kind of piss me off. Like, how does Mythic go from creating the perfect RvR / PvP MMO and than succeeding it with an absolute nightmare. DAoC was a non gank promoting game. Players couldn't purposely gank lowbies unless the lowbies were asking for it. This present a game with a true PvP challenge. Fighting people your level or respectively close to it. WAR, specifically PvP Rulesets still have the chicken curse boundaries, but Mythic changed it's parameters since beta. So now, you can venture into level 1-11 tier one territory all the way till level 22. I don't even understand the reasoning behind this design choice. All it does is scream gank me, gank me. Anyway, it's PvP, so what comes around goes around. So I feel sorry for any destruction lowbies that cross my path, lol. Thanks Mythic, for encouraging frustration for new players, cause thats a sure way to ensure subscription rates.
From what i heard, that being able to get into a tier lower than yourself ability was placed in for the people that leveled too fast through the zone without bothering to go through and get the tome unlocks. So they did it so you have more time to be able to explore freely without being turned into a chicken. Personally i think they should just take that option out again, if you rushed through the area without getting unlocks and later regret it, it's your fault. Oh well, game is only a month old, perhaps they'll change it or perhaps they won't.
"Whoever said 'honesty is the best policy' didn't have a girlfriend with a fat @$$";
Quests make you choose a reward even if there is only 1 reward. Boss mobs sometimes run off only to come back fully healed. Targetting system is unreliable. blah blah blah...I could go on and on mentioning every aspect of the game. Scenerios, bugged... Guild system, bugged.... Alliance system, bugged... Your mastery tree gives bonus to abilities 3 levels before you can even get the ability to take advantage of the bonus. WHAT?!?!? ...
So you have to click on the reward sometimes even when there is only 1 choice - i have noticed this once or twice in about 200 quests.
Some mobs flee when low on health and get far enough way that they reset - I agree this is frustrating and needs fixing.
Targeting system is shoddy - agreed.
Scenarios bugged - how exactly? they have been working OK for me?
Mastery points give bonuses to abilities you haven't picked up yet - this is a problem how? How is the game affected in any way by this?
Whilst I agree with most of your points, these are very minor issues. I see nothing to be getting all worked up over. If there was missing content, exploits, broken professions, unplayable frame-rates or something of that nature I would be on here giving Mythic a once-over as well, but having to click on your reward when there is only 1 choice??? Jesus....
WAR was a big letdown for me to and I generally agree with the OP, but it wasnt the bugs that got to me. here is my biggest WAR letdowns:
RvR with only two fractions! How and why did the devs agree to this? with warhammer as their setting, a three and even four fractions wouldnt be a problem, and the RvR would get interesting.
Shallow fluff. It doesnt surprise me though. Basing their lore and story on the table-top game, where 95% of the lore is fluff about wars and famous warriors.
Small and claustrophobic world. The mmo devs have really lost their way here, expecting that, creating a world suited for a linear single-player game is sufficent for an mmo game. An mmo isnt a story, its first and foremost a world. I expect more!
PvE was weak at best. Save for the five first PQ quests, the pve was horrible. Small, solo and easy. A very frustrating quest grind.
Rotten Crafting. LOL - need I say more
There were a few nice moments ingame, but it did last long. Too bad though, I was hope for a new DAoC which was a great game!
Ever since WoW games have been "rushed" to the market. VG was rushed. AOC was rushed. War is no exception...clearly it was rushed. Any bets Stargate Worlds and every other up and coming new release is rushed and unfinished buggy messes.
Sooner or later the developers and the publishers will wake up and realize that this is no long a new genre and that the people that they are targeting to play their games will not play them if they are not good games right out of the box.
Wish to play an exceptional game try - M&B . Without a doubt the best game to come along in years.
Mount and Blade is a good concept, but still is a mediocre game. I don't understand the people touting it as TEH BEST GAEM EVA.
it almost sounds like the newer games are taking the "casual" approach a little too far........
This is what happens when accountants and "boards" make gaming decisions.
It's not about making games that are cutting edge and immersive anymore, it's about making $$$
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
it almost sounds like the newer games are taking the "casual" approach a little too far........
This is what happens when accountants and "boards" make gaming decisions.
It's not about making games that are cutting edge and immersive anymore, it's about making $$$
maybe you should make some games for free and let us know how that all works out.
MMO, the only product where you have to be able to create an improved version (and sometimes for free) before being able to complain Better if you are standing only in one leg and whistling meanwhile, then you will really be allowed to complain! If not... well bad luck! Play the crap and shut up!
Omg this is terrible .Because of posts like this now warhammer has only 750'000 accounts after 2 months.I guess they might as well shut this game down:)
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In remark to Mele completely dominating the game like in WoW, since when have you seen a Warrior beat out a warlock, or mage. I saw 2 equally skilled, equally geared classes duke it out on the Puble Test Realm yestarday trying out the new 51 point talents, a Warrior and a Mage, mage completely destroyed the warrior with their new damn Deep freeze spell (or whatever it's called) that acts like a rogues stun. Warrior didn't stand a chance. Warlocks just dot them up and fear them and they drop. So no, mele doens't dominate in wow, over use of CC and CC breaking skills that every class has other than Shaman is what dominates that game.
"Whoever said 'honesty is the best policy' didn't have a girlfriend with a fat @$$";
Since that number also includes pre-order and open beta accounts, it really means nothing. Subscription numbers after the first free month will be the true indicator.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
A bold try but Im affraid you fail - WAR like AOC will loose its initial numbers - to litle (way to litle - curse you EA) to soon ... but than again I might be wrong - from time to time / heh C3PO comes to my mind in EP5 on Hoth planet .
If you would just express your opinions and not imply that they are "facts" then maybe you would be taken more seriously.
You, sir, hit the nail. I would have taken him seriously, if not for stating the so-called "facts".
I wonder, if everyone loving the game would make a post every 5 minutes about how good it really is, would more people start playing? I wonder.
If you would just express your opinions and not imply that they are "facts" then maybe you would be taken more seriously.
You, sir, hit the nail. I would have taken him seriously, if not for stating the so-called "facts".
I wonder, if everyone loving the game would make a post every 5 minutes about how good it really is, would more people start playing? I wonder.
That's just the point, people who enjoy the game would more than likely be actually playing the game rather than hanging out on the forums all day making posts. Only reason I'm not in game is due to a little computer misshap that's caused my client and some other key programs to corrupt. So untill i reload a few drivers and the client, the only thing i can do is hang out here and entertain myself with the bickering going on back and forth between these people.
"Whoever said 'honesty is the best policy' didn't have a girlfriend with a fat @$$";
If you would just express your opinions and not imply that they are "facts" then maybe you would be taken more seriously.
You, sir, hit the nail. I would have taken him seriously, if not for stating the so-called "facts".
I wonder, if everyone loving the game would make a post every 5 minutes about how good it really is, would more people start playing? I wonder.
That's just the point, people who enjoy the game would more than likely be actually playing the game rather than hanging out on the forums all day making posts. Only reason I'm not in game is due to a little computer misshap that's caused my client and some other key programs to corrupt. So untill i reload a few drivers and the client, the only thing i can do is hang out here and entertain myself with the bickering going on back and forth between these people.
I SO MUCH envy you for liking Warhammer online - You Dear Sir are a one lucky bastard / gues WAR is to having players like You!
In remark to Mele completely dominating the game like in WoW, since when have you seen a Warrior beat out a warlock, or mage. I saw 2 equally skilled, equally geared classes duke it out on the Puble Test Realm yestarday trying out the new 51 point talents, a Warrior and a Mage, mage completely destroyed the warrior with their new damn Deep freeze spell (or whatever it's called) that acts like a rogues stun. Warrior didn't stand a chance. Warlocks just dot them up and fear them and they drop. So no, mele doens't dominate in wow, over use of CC and CC breaking skills that every class has other than Shaman is what dominates that game.
Those skills aren't in game yet i'am talking about the current game rogues and warriors have dominated the game for the last 6 months+. AS a warrior I found warlocks one of the easyest classes to beat although a fight against a well played mage can be a bit one sided.
Ahh yes the classic "if you dont like it dont play it" line. I'm not sure why you bothered saying that as its probably more than likely that the OP wont be playing the game. So basicly you have told him to do something that he is probably already doing.
I dont think the OP ever thought that it was "sooooo important to come to the forums and cry". He just vented his opinion as he is pissed off that WAR isnt anywhere near as good as it could have been. Whats wrong with that?
Yet for some reason voicing a negative opinion about WAR has annoyed you. Why is that?
In remark to Mele completely dominating the game like in WoW, since when have you seen a Warrior beat out a warlock, or mage. I saw 2 equally skilled, equally geared classes duke it out on the Puble Test Realm yestarday trying out the new 51 point talents, a Warrior and a Mage, mage completely destroyed the warrior with their new damn Deep freeze spell (or whatever it's called) that acts like a rogues stun. Warrior didn't stand a chance. Warlocks just dot them up and fear them and they drop. So no, mele doens't dominate in wow, over use of CC and CC breaking skills that every class has other than Shaman is what dominates that game.
Those skills aren't in game yet i'am talking about the current game rogues and warriors have dominated the game for the last 6 months+. AS a warrior I found warlocks one of the easyest classes to beat although a fight against a well played mage can be a bit one sided.
Agreed, however that'll change on Tuesday from what i'm hearing. The new skills and revamped abilities are going live then. What i wish Blizzard would do is since they've been trying to balance classes in PVP, i wish they'd give some actual attention to shamans. I play a T5 Resto shaman and i have like what, 1 cast interrupt as long as it's not an instant cast spell. Only time i'm PVPing on level ground is against another shaman. Otherwise i get CC'ed to death with none of my own to counter it.
"Whoever said 'honesty is the best policy' didn't have a girlfriend with a fat @$$";
Very good point.
By the way......are we related?
Well it is a fair assessment for the most part. It's hard to argue with the truisms. Of course, I can understand someone waiting for this for 3 years and then being let down.
I personally never waited for this and never intended to play it. But, aside from his facts (not to be confused with his opinions) it can be a fun game if you take it for what it is.
I suppose as a person who just picked it up to see what it was about, I have no preconceived notions or expectations. I'm having a blast. But I take it for what it is.
But I suppose the op just needs to vent. no problem with that but after a while it becomes wallpaper with all the other people who are venting. In any case I respect his points as there are issues. But I still feel the game can be fun if you allow the fun parts to just "be".
Oh and I see Death Priest is a part of Divine.
Just wanted to shout out to Death Priest and Divine. I've fought you guys in sieges (won some/lost some) and have a lot of respect for them.
Strength and Honor.
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Oh my god.......Mount & Blade looks incredible!!! So much detail!! If only an mmo could be like that (I gather M&B isnt online right?).
instead we get Warhammer Online where even a 7 year old can kick everyones arse.....yeah thats right I was grouped with a bunch of players several days ago and the reality of what I was playing hit home when I found out that the one that was playing the best was only 7 years old!
It kind of says it all about these types of games really doesnt it.
From what i heard, that being able to get into a tier lower than yourself ability was placed in for the people that leveled too fast through the zone without bothering to go through and get the tome unlocks. So they did it so you have more time to be able to explore freely without being turned into a chicken. Personally i think they should just take that option out again, if you rushed through the area without getting unlocks and later regret it, it's your fault. Oh well, game is only a month old, perhaps they'll change it or perhaps they won't.
"Whoever said 'honesty is the best policy' didn't have a girlfriend with a fat @$$";
So you have to click on the reward sometimes even when there is only 1 choice - i have noticed this once or twice in about 200 quests.
Some mobs flee when low on health and get far enough way that they reset - I agree this is frustrating and needs fixing.
Targeting system is shoddy - agreed.
Scenarios bugged - how exactly? they have been working OK for me?
Mastery points give bonuses to abilities you haven't picked up yet - this is a problem how? How is the game affected in any way by this?
Whilst I agree with most of your points, these are very minor issues. I see nothing to be getting all worked up over. If there was missing content, exploits, broken professions, unplayable frame-rates or something of that nature I would be on here giving Mythic a once-over as well, but having to click on your reward when there is only 1 choice??? Jesus....
WAR was a big letdown for me to and I generally agree with the OP, but it wasnt the bugs that got to me. here is my biggest WAR letdowns:
There were a few nice moments ingame, but it did last long. Too bad though, I was hope for a new DAoC which was a great game!
The primary turn off for me was the community. I felt like I was playing a single player game with random allies running around the entire time.
Mount and Blade is a good concept, but still is a mediocre game. I don't understand the people touting it as TEH BEST GAEM EVA.
Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.
You can look at each forum on this site for every game listed here, and you will see the same thing.
Im loving WAR. As for those who dont, hopefully you can find something more exciting to do with your time then come here and rant and rave all day.
This is what happens when accountants and "boards" make gaming decisions.
It's not about making games that are cutting edge and immersive anymore, it's about making $$$
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
This is what happens when accountants and "boards" make gaming decisions.
It's not about making games that are cutting edge and immersive anymore, it's about making $$$
maybe you should make some games for free and let us know how that all works out.
This is what happens when accountants and "boards" make gaming decisions.
It's not about making games that are cutting edge and immersive anymore, it's about making $$$
maybe you should make some games for free and let us know how that all works out.
MMO, the only product where you have to be able to create an improved version (and sometimes for free) before being able to complain
Better if you are standing only in one leg and whistling meanwhile, then you will really be allowed to complain! If not... well bad luck! Play the crap and shut up! 
You've played every MMO but yet you still haven't realized they all have a large numbers of bugs when they launch?
Where did he say other games doesn't have bugs at launch?
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