Most players, given a choice, will not raid. Forcing this on players will just push them to other games since they now have more choices.
Raiding is NOT hard because the mobs are interesting or the tactics required to beat them are. It is hard because getting a bunch of people together, getting them to make and adhere to a commitment of time/effort, and organizing them is one of the more challenging and annoying tasks on the planet. Sure you might get a purple cookie but it's not worth it for most.
I'll echo the sentiment that this game is over for me. It's not dead - it's hard to kill MMOs - but almost any hope that this is going to get bigger than it has been already is gone.
I'm still confused as to why some people (like the OP) complain about gear progression and other common MMORPG components. If you want a PvP game with absolutely no grind for gear....why don't you play Counterstrike or Unreal? I don't get it. It's like some people want to play an FPS really, but they want to be allowed third person perspective and they want to wear fantasy armor in a fantasy world, and be able to cast spells and use swords, instead of guns. O.o I think that people that want that kind of FPS style game, would probably be happier just PLAYING a shooter, instead of trying to squeeze themselves in to an MMORPG environment, and finding that.....the shoe doesn't fit them very well. For godssake, just CHANGE GAMES. Probably MOST people that prefer the MMORPG genre, WANT to have some goals to work toward, and some items (armor, weapons, houses, etc.) to be able to obtain through their effort. Where they may differ, is the amount of TIME and effort, that they want to invest to obtain those things. Many people don't want to have to invest the ridiculous amount of time that raid grinding takes. I don't think WAR is going to require raid grinding. That's not what I read from MJ in those articles. However, I DO THINK he's trying to supply GOALS that will require a little EFFORT to accomplish. I don't see, myself, how that's a bad thing.
Yes, thats true - You dont get it...
Because cockblocks suck, are not fun and promote a pointless and harmful exclusivity.
And grinding over and over to actually be able to do the goal of the entire RvR campaign makes alot of people not want to do the RvR campaign.
The whole point of many people wanting to fucs on RvR is because they like to fight people over and over but do not like to grind on PvE encounters over and over and be at the mercy of some crazy casino.
The fact that they can RvR for a month straight and then be completely cockblcoked from the reward galls them. And it should.
That's fine for a PvE game. Not a PvP game where the only gear progression is though PvEing. Main reason why I stopped playing today, running BS/Blle/Blood for over a week is just not fun.
It's not just that the game is turning to be PvE. The encounters are horribly done. Most of the bosses are completely bugged - some don't attack, some reset if they move an inch, some one-shot guarded tanks. They all have the same model. It is very bland as well. And how many times can my group get 2 Magus and 2 Squig drops when we have none of those in party.
If they wanted to go the PvE route, fine. In that case, actually put some effort into it and not implement this horribly coded and designed content and expect people to play it when there are much better PvE games out there.
I really don't see the problem here. Let me get this straight, you're mad because you have to play a game to get armor? How else are you going to get said armor? Craft it yourself? Buy it from a vendor?
Why complain about the game mechanics when theres nothing you can do about them?
Maybe it's best for you to just cancel and spend your time doing something that doesn't make you so angry.
You have to take keeps (PQ) and get a massive bag to get the chest to drop. The Shoulders are a BOP random drop which is extremely rare to get. Boots are BOE and Gloves are buyable from a merchant. Running a PQ all day to get the gear sounds like PvE to me.
Yes, I am R40 and have 3/5 set peices for my Lesser Ward set (from BS). I ran Bile and Blood as well. To run Bile/Blood, everyone needs to have atleast 2 peices or you will get killed, very quickly.
The gear progression and endgame content is a joke to say the least. Having to have the previous tier to complete the next is an even bigger joke.
Most players, given a choice, will not raid. Forcing this on players will just push them to other games since they now have more choices. Raiding is NOT hard because the mobs are interesting or the tactics required to beat them are. It is hard because getting a bunch of people together, getting them to make and adhere to a commitment of time/effort, and organizing them is one of the more challenging and annoying tasks on the planet. Sure you might get a purple cookie but it's not worth it for most. I'll echo the sentiment that this game is over for me. It's not dead - it's hard to kill MMOs - but almost any hope that this is going to get bigger than it has been already is gone.
I agree. Trying to organise a large group is a bloody pain in the arse, especially as the only incentive every player has is where they will get the most exp from. On top of that it just doesnt seem worth all the effort. I just dont feel any incentive at all to bother with this game and believe me I've been trying my hardest. My sub expires tommorow though so I wont feel any further need to waste any more time with it.
You have to take keeps (PQ) and get a massive bag to get the chest to drop. The Shoulders are a BOP random drop which is extremely rare to get. Boots are BOE and Gloves are buyable from a merchant. Running a PQ all day to get the gear sounds like PvE to me.
Don't people pvp to take keeps?
If all the armor drops and is given by doing Keep battles, aren't you pvping to get the armor?
If taking keeps is Pve then I've been playing the wrong game, since last I checked players defend Keeps.
Do you mind explaining to me why you think raiding and defending a keep is pve? do you only consider Scenarios pvp?
ummmm..... Yeah...... This means doom why exactly?
Think about it. How can a game be successful if they add the same kind of features found in WoW? We all know what a financial failure that game has been. No game will ever succeed by giving players the kind of content the expect and demand.
Don't people pvp to take keeps? If all the armor drops and is given by doing Keep battles, aren't you pvping to get the armor? If taking keeps is Pve then I've been playing the wrong game, since last I checked players defend Keeps. Do you mind explaining to me why you think raiding and defending a keep is pve? do you only consider Scenarios pvp?
Since half the time, people find the keeps with the least to no resistance, fighting only NPCs is PvE. Reminds me of AV in WoW, avoiding the enemy to get to the rewards quicker.
Don't people pvp to take keeps? If all the armor drops and is given by doing Keep battles, aren't you pvping to get the armor? If taking keeps is Pve then I've been playing the wrong game, since last I checked players defend Keeps. Do you mind explaining to me why you think raiding and defending a keep is pve? do you only consider Scenarios pvp?
Since half the time, people find the keeps with the least to no resistance, fighting only NPCs is PvE. Reminds me of AV in WoW, avoiding the enemy to get to the rewards quicker.
Well thats not Mythics fault thats the crappy community on your server that would rather farm scenarios.
Keeps are intended as a pvp objective, if players don't defend the damn thing its on them really.
would you rather the sets just be given as a scenario reward? god I hope you say no
Well look at it this way guys, when we first had those nice podcasts about city sieges and the rvr system, this was all in their heads, with little to no beta expierence. Then they say we estimate that the first city sieges will take 6 months... It took us 2 weeks... 2 freaking weeks!
Thats a bit out of their plans, mind you city sieges are the end game, any MMO that you can reach the only end game in 2 weeks is a little absurd.
MMO's are designed to be social, fun, and most of all time sinks. They had to do something to stop people from essentialy "completing" the game in another 2 weeks.
It's still a buisness and if the majority of people will do all the endgame content in another couple months, that won't bode well for the long term health of this game.
Grinding is in every MMO, its only when you realize your not having fun while doing it, that when it starts to become "Grinding"
This is an emergency time sink because they need the time to fix the game.
the majority on my server are already 40. we have already seen fortress sieges and city pqs on some servers.
dont delude yourself with false hope, its not doable, without this gear. and the grind for city dungeons from BS? its 3x worse, esp if ur order.
It's not about wanting the best gear handed to you, didn't anyone else take in that you have to do all of the below to get the best - forced progression - its RAID 101
Trials of Atlanits - now with a horrible PQ loot system.
Pass
I am not going to pay a monthly sub to grind PQs, lol, are you kidding me?
Where is the RvR progression - based system?
Warhammer Online - Supposed to be an RvR oriented game. But the endgame is just a PVE gear grind all over again.
Patch 1.1 will be jesus or satan , we´ll see , even its only one month out , they rushed , ( blame it on EA ) , they make steps in the right direction , they listen to us , they ask for our feedback IF its constructive and so on.
However i will not be grinding gear for a half a year just to be able to facemelt the king.
Contribution is so random , i was afk for 2-3pqs and got 1st on each of them , its bugged as hell.
If ur not happy right now about the state of the game , then take a break and take a look at it later, after the distratrous launch and like i said before there are "pockets" that are fun I am keeping tabs on the direction.
Don't people pvp to take keeps? If all the armor drops and is given by doing Keep battles, aren't you pvping to get the armor? If taking keeps is Pve then I've been playing the wrong game, since last I checked players defend Keeps. Do you mind explaining to me why you think raiding and defending a keep is pve? do you only consider Scenarios pvp?
Since half the time, people find the keeps with the least to no resistance, fighting only NPCs is PvE. Reminds me of AV in WoW, avoiding the enemy to get to the rewards quicker.
Well thats not Mythics fault thats the crappy community on your server that would rather farm scenarios.
Keeps are intended as a pvp objective, if players don't defend the damn thing its on them really.
would you rather the sets just be given as a scenario reward? god I hope you say no
Actually thats poor game design on Mythics part. Don't worry though they will blame EA, players are experiencing TOA all over again, just didn't expect it to take such a short time. The community agree's with 5k players missing after first billing period just on these stats. calling fellow players crap is not going to get anyone anywhere. Educating them properly is the way to go, so mythic all smelling or flowers and perfection, what went wrong? As the sets are FORCED progressive collections / requirements there is a need to come out of the scenarios to get them....
Lockout timer 24 hrs... /end game
it will take years to get the best set, maybe then mythic can properly educate people how to play their game or stop the wave of people leaving.
I'm not anywhere close to unsubbing from this game but still think that having to PvE for gear in an RvR game is just plain silly.
Combine that with the fact that it's way easier to get the PvE sets than the RvR ones which require you to roll vs a ton of people attacking a keep lord which is pretty much also a PvE encounter.
Uhm, am i the only one who went to the mythic site and read the post where they talked about amour?
It seems that in the post they don't state anything about needing a surden amour to get to the end game though they do say you'll have some bonuses in the end game if you've got a surden amourset it doesn't state anything about you'll have to have it to enter the endgame content.... cheer up here have a cookie
PS. I read trough the entire thread which included various people showing dislike for eachother and what not. In my opinion read carefully (maybe even bring your dictionary) what the official website say before you start opening your else loud mouths (figure of speech).
This is supposed to be a friendly forum for mmo lovers not a zoo....take care peeps and for the love of god read the official statements before screaming up cheers.
"Everyone is quick to blame the alien" Rather don't post a reply than post what will harm you later. I still like the cookie!
Uhm, am i the only one who went to the mythic site and read the post where they talked about amour?
It seems that in the post they don't state anything about needing a surden amour to get to the end game though they do say you'll have some bonuses in the end game if you've got a surden amourset it doesn't state anything about you'll have to have it to enter the endgame content.... cheer up here have a cookie
PS. I read trough the entire thread which included various people showing dislike for eachother and what not. In my opinion read carefully (maybe even bring your dictionary) what the official website say before you start opening your else loud mouths (figure of speech). This is supposed to be a friendly forum for mmo lovers not a zoo....take care peeps and for the love of god read the official statements before screaming up cheers.
What part of these statements did you not understand?
Both sets can be used in any combination to offer the Greater Ward, which is required for both the Lost Vale and the City Invasion PQs. The Sentinel and Conqueror sets also provide the effects of the Lesser Ward. There are six pieces of armor in each set.
Both sets can be used in any combination to offer the Superior Ward, which is required for Sub-Boss PQs. The Darkpromise and Invader sets also provide the effects of the Lesser Ward and Greater Ward. There are six pieces of armor in each set.
The Sub-Boss PQs are the only means of acquiring the Excelsior Ward which is required for the King Fights. The Excelsior Ward includes the effects of all previous armor sets. There are seven pieces of armor in this set.
hhmmm i think i did say something about a dictionary too ^^ oh well.... required doesn't have to mean that you can't enter the endgame content it could mean they applaud you to have it for the endgame...like an advice you can choose to listen to or not..... haven't reached the end game so wouldn't know, anybody got so far yet so we can get some facts?
"Everyone is quick to blame the alien" Rather don't post a reply than post what will harm you later. I still like the cookie!
and it seems that it isn't required that you've got the amour but the amoursets are basically made for that type of highlevel enemies so yeah chances are you'll be ripped to pieces without hehe
"Everyone is quick to blame the alien" Rather don't post a reply than post what will harm you later. I still like the cookie!
as someone that actually has some parts of the the "entry" set bloodlord, I can tell that players really need them. the difference between having the set buff and not having the buff is that , for exmple , in the bilerot instance, the mobs will hit a warded tank for 1-3 k (depending on mob) and sometimes crit for 5- 6 k, while they will hit a non warded tank for 2.5 to 5 k and crit up to 8 k (what means 2 shooting a tank, if not 1 shooting)
thwe difference between having even a lesser ward or not is impressive, and while it is still possible to do bilerot without the ward buff, you will wipe on almost every pull where you tank or tanks have to handle 2 mobs each (what is really depriment). Luckly there is no respawn and since the bosses are normally eaiser to take out then the trash mobs before them, it is a question of having enough time and persistence.
The high-end armor sets are gained from City-sieges and RvR. Not raiding dungeons or raiding as it is in WoW.
Umm, you obviously didn't come close to the end-game yet to know what it is and what it isn't.
LOL, I am an Elder Tester and I have a lvl 40 Witch Hunter, I know very well what it is. The best armor sets in the game drop off of City Leaders and other landmark leaders in each city. That's city-sieges which are the culmination of long RvR (pvp) campaigns. You aren't raiding dungeons over and over as in WoW, not to mention the fact that totally outstanding armor-sets and pieces drop off of players, fortress bosses, and the captured city PQs.
You aren't forced to raid in WAR to be competitive like the OP is insinuating. If you choose to you can never go further then the campaign to capture the city, which is at the end of a long, HOTLY contested siege of the city in which much of the best gear in the game can be obtained, and still have awesome gear that is competitive with what the faction bosses drop.
Is the absolute best game earned through PvE? Well, kind of I guess. But it is nothing, NOTHING, like raiding in WoW. You can not just go in and continually kill the king and farm these sets. You have to take the city over and over, no easy feat, and again, at the end of a very long RvR/PvP centric campaign.
I remember a documentary on a WOW player who played the game in it's entirety NAKED. No armor, no jewelry, just a weapon because he wasn't a caster. Guess What. He did better then many others of his class because he played better. Gear doesn't make or break anything. Wait untill the expansion and your gear becomes worthless anyways. Being a tank maybe hard without armor, I am sure there are classes that can do it.
I remember a documentary on a WOW player who played the game in it's entirety NAKED. No armor, no jewelry, just a weapon because he wasn't a caster. Guess What. He did better then many others of his class because he played better. Gear doesn't make or break anything. Wait untill the expansion and your gear becomes worthless anyways. Being a tank maybe hard without armor, I am sure there are classes that can do it.
Yeah, the guy was actually a Troll Warrior and leveled to 60 playing completely solo and naked. Didn't even use a weapon There have been many other players that did the same thing using 'gray' equipment (vendor trash).
I think the warhammer devs are realizing how much they failed with city seiges. The fact that they didn't expect on to happen in 6 months, and we've already seen a bunch after only 2 weeks... so now they are scrambling trying to find half-assed ways to block player progression.
For how much they wanted to be different from WOW, they certainly are very quick to add the worst features of WOW... scenario/bg grinds, Renown/Repuation grinds and now PvE raid grinds.
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Most players, given a choice, will not raid. Forcing this on players will just push them to other games since they now have more choices.
Raiding is NOT hard because the mobs are interesting or the tactics required to beat them are. It is hard because getting a bunch of people together, getting them to make and adhere to a commitment of time/effort, and organizing them is one of the more challenging and annoying tasks on the planet. Sure you might get a purple cookie but it's not worth it for most.
I'll echo the sentiment that this game is over for me. It's not dead - it's hard to kill MMOs - but almost any hope that this is going to get bigger than it has been already is gone.
Yes, thats true - You dont get it...
Because cockblocks suck, are not fun and promote a pointless and harmful exclusivity.
And grinding over and over to actually be able to do the goal of the entire RvR campaign makes alot of people not want to do the RvR campaign.
The whole point of many people wanting to fucs on RvR is because they like to fight people over and over but do not like to grind on PvE encounters over and over and be at the mercy of some crazy casino.
The fact that they can RvR for a month straight and then be completely cockblcoked from the reward galls them. And it should.
That's fine for a PvE game. Not a PvP game where the only gear progression is though PvEing. Main reason why I stopped playing today, running BS/Blle/Blood for over a week is just not fun.
It's not just that the game is turning to be PvE. The encounters are horribly done. Most of the bosses are completely bugged - some don't attack, some reset if they move an inch, some one-shot guarded tanks. They all have the same model. It is very bland as well. And how many times can my group get 2 Magus and 2 Squig drops when we have none of those in party.
If they wanted to go the PvE route, fine. In that case, actually put some effort into it and not implement this horribly coded and designed content and expect people to play it when there are much better PvE games out there.
And I just read i dont need to PvE to get gear i can PvP too.
Annihilator Armor Set
Found in: Tier 4 RvR
Requirements: Ranks: Ranks 35-39 and Renown Ranks 31-35
So whos the crack job that said the only high end gear is PvE gear? Heres the website he even linked lmfao.
http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=397
I really don't see the problem here. Let me get this straight, you're mad because you have to play a game to get armor? How else are you going to get said armor? Craft it yourself? Buy it from a vendor?
Why complain about the game mechanics when theres nothing you can do about them?
Maybe it's best for you to just cancel and spend your time doing something that doesn't make you so angry.
Seriously dude, its a game.
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You have to take keeps (PQ) and get a massive bag to get the chest to drop. The Shoulders are a BOP random drop which is extremely rare to get. Boots are BOE and Gloves are buyable from a merchant. Running a PQ all day to get the gear sounds like PvE to me.
Yes, I am R40 and have 3/5 set peices for my Lesser Ward set (from BS). I ran Bile and Blood as well. To run Bile/Blood, everyone needs to have atleast 2 peices or you will get killed, very quickly.
The gear progression and endgame content is a joke to say the least. Having to have the previous tier to complete the next is an even bigger joke.
I agree. Trying to organise a large group is a bloody pain in the arse, especially as the only incentive every player has is where they will get the most exp from. On top of that it just doesnt seem worth all the effort. I just dont feel any incentive at all to bother with this game and believe me I've been trying my hardest. My sub expires tommorow though so I wont feel any further need to waste any more time with it.
Don't people pvp to take keeps?
If all the armor drops and is given by doing Keep battles, aren't you pvping to get the armor?
If taking keeps is Pve then I've been playing the wrong game, since last I checked players defend Keeps.
Do you mind explaining to me why you think raiding and defending a keep is pve? do you only consider Scenarios pvp?
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Since half the time, people find the keeps with the least to no resistance, fighting only NPCs is PvE. Reminds me of AV in WoW, avoiding the enemy to get to the rewards quicker.
Since half the time, people find the keeps with the least to no resistance, fighting only NPCs is PvE. Reminds me of AV in WoW, avoiding the enemy to get to the rewards quicker.
Well thats not Mythics fault thats the crappy community on your server that would rather farm scenarios.
Keeps are intended as a pvp objective, if players don't defend the damn thing its on them really.
would you rather the sets just be given as a scenario reward? god I hope you say no
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
Well look at it this way guys, when we first had those nice podcasts about city sieges and the rvr system, this was all in their heads, with little to no beta expierence. Then they say we estimate that the first city sieges will take 6 months... It took us 2 weeks... 2 freaking weeks!
Thats a bit out of their plans, mind you city sieges are the end game, any MMO that you can reach the only end game in 2 weeks is a little absurd.
MMO's are designed to be social, fun, and most of all time sinks. They had to do something to stop people from essentialy "completing" the game in another 2 weeks.
It's still a buisness and if the majority of people will do all the endgame content in another couple months, that won't bode well for the long term health of this game.
Grinding is in every MMO, its only when you realize your not having fun while doing it, that when it starts to become "Grinding"
This is an emergency time sink because they need the time to fix the game.
the majority on my server are already 40. we have already seen fortress sieges and city pqs on some servers.
dont delude yourself with false hope, its not doable, without this gear. and the grind for city dungeons from BS? its 3x worse, esp if ur order.
It's not about wanting the best gear handed to you, didn't anyone else take in that you have to do all of the below to get the best - forced progression - its RAID 101
Trials of Atlanits - now with a horrible PQ loot system.
Pass
I am not going to pay a monthly sub to grind PQs, lol, are you kidding me?
Where is the RvR progression - based system?
Warhammer Online - Supposed to be an RvR oriented game. But the endgame is just a PVE gear grind all over again.
Patch 1.1 will be jesus or satan , we´ll see , even its only one month out , they rushed , ( blame it on EA ) , they make steps in the right direction , they listen to us , they ask for our feedback IF its constructive and so on.
However i will not be grinding gear for a half a year just to be able to facemelt the king.
Contribution is so random , i was afk for 2-3pqs and got 1st on each of them , its bugged as hell.
If ur not happy right now about the state of the game , then take a break and take a look at it later, after the distratrous launch and like i said before there are "pockets" that are fun I am keeping tabs on the direction.
Right now its a bait and switch.
Since half the time, people find the keeps with the least to no resistance, fighting only NPCs is PvE. Reminds me of AV in WoW, avoiding the enemy to get to the rewards quicker.
Well thats not Mythics fault thats the crappy community on your server that would rather farm scenarios.
Keeps are intended as a pvp objective, if players don't defend the damn thing its on them really.
would you rather the sets just be given as a scenario reward? god I hope you say no
Actually thats poor game design on Mythics part. Don't worry though they will blame EA, players are experiencing TOA all over again, just didn't expect it to take such a short time. The community agree's with 5k players missing after first billing period just on these stats. calling fellow players crap is not going to get anyone anywhere. Educating them properly is the way to go, so mythic all smelling or flowers and perfection, what went wrong? As the sets are FORCED progressive collections / requirements there is a need to come out of the scenarios to get them....
Lockout timer 24 hrs... /end game
it will take years to get the best set, maybe then mythic can properly educate people how to play their game or stop the wave of people leaving.
I'm not anywhere close to unsubbing from this game but still think that having to PvE for gear in an RvR game is just plain silly.
Combine that with the fact that it's way easier to get the PvE sets than the RvR ones which require you to roll vs a ton of people attacking a keep lord which is pretty much also a PvE encounter.
Uhm, am i the only one who went to the mythic site and read the post where they talked about amour?
It seems that in the post they don't state anything about needing a surden amour to get to the end game though they do say you'll have some bonuses in the end game if you've got a surden amourset it doesn't state anything about you'll have to have it to enter the endgame content.... cheer up
PS. I read trough the entire thread which included various people showing dislike for eachother and what not. In my opinion read carefully (maybe even bring your dictionary) what the official website say before you start opening your else loud mouths (figure of speech).
This is supposed to be a friendly forum for mmo lovers not a zoo....take care peeps and for the love of god read the official statements before screaming up
cheers.
"Everyone is quick to blame the alien" Rather don't post a reply than post what will harm you later. I still like the cookie!
What part of these statements did you not understand?
Both sets can be used in any combination to offer the Greater Ward, which is required for both the Lost Vale and the City Invasion PQs. The Sentinel and Conqueror sets also provide the effects of the Lesser Ward. There are six pieces of armor in each set.
Both sets can be used in any combination to offer the Superior Ward, which is required for Sub-Boss PQs. The Darkpromise and Invader sets also provide the effects of the Lesser Ward and Greater Ward. There are six pieces of armor in each set.
The Sub-Boss PQs are the only means of acquiring the Excelsior Ward which is required for the King Fights. The Excelsior Ward includes the effects of all previous armor sets. There are seven pieces of armor in this set.
hhmmm i think i did say something about a dictionary too ^^ oh well.... required doesn't have to mean that you can't enter the endgame content it could mean they applaud you to have it for the endgame...like an advice you can choose to listen to or not.....
haven't reached the end game so wouldn't know, anybody got so far yet so we can get some facts?
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From what I hear the ae's will basically rip you apart without those wards, you really need them to stay alive
sounds true enough, just found this small post
warherald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war
and it seems that it isn't required that you've got the amour but the amoursets are basically made for that type of highlevel enemies so yeah chances are you'll be ripped to pieces without hehe
"Everyone is quick to blame the alien" Rather don't post a reply than post what will harm you later. I still like the cookie!
as someone that actually has some parts of the the "entry" set bloodlord, I can tell that players really need them. the difference between having the set buff and not having the buff is that , for exmple , in the bilerot instance, the mobs will hit a warded tank for 1-3 k (depending on mob) and sometimes crit for 5- 6 k, while they will hit a non warded tank for 2.5 to 5 k and crit up to 8 k (what means 2 shooting a tank, if not 1 shooting)
thwe difference between having even a lesser ward or not is impressive, and while it is still possible to do bilerot without the ward buff, you will wipe on almost every pull where you tank or tanks have to handle 2 mobs each (what is really depriment). Luckly there is no respawn and since the bosses are normally eaiser to take out then the trash mobs before them, it is a question of having enough time and persistence.
umm, you obviously didn't read the whole thing.
The high-end armor sets are gained from City-sieges and RvR. Not raiding dungeons or raiding as it is in WoW.
Umm, you obviously didn't come close to the end-game yet to know what it is and what it isn't.
Umm, you obviously didn't come close to the end-game yet to know what it is and what it isn't.
LOL, I am an Elder Tester and I have a lvl 40 Witch Hunter, I know very well what it is. The best armor sets in the game drop off of City Leaders and other landmark leaders in each city. That's city-sieges which are the culmination of long RvR (pvp) campaigns. You aren't raiding dungeons over and over as in WoW, not to mention the fact that totally outstanding armor-sets and pieces drop off of players, fortress bosses, and the captured city PQs.
You aren't forced to raid in WAR to be competitive like the OP is insinuating. If you choose to you can never go further then the campaign to capture the city, which is at the end of a long, HOTLY contested siege of the city in which much of the best gear in the game can be obtained, and still have awesome gear that is competitive with what the faction bosses drop.
Is the absolute best game earned through PvE? Well, kind of I guess. But it is nothing, NOTHING, like raiding in WoW. You can not just go in and continually kill the king and farm these sets. You have to take the city over and over, no easy feat, and again, at the end of a very long RvR/PvP centric campaign.
I remember a documentary on a WOW player who played the game in it's entirety NAKED. No armor, no jewelry, just a weapon because he wasn't a caster. Guess What. He did better then many others of his class because he played better. Gear doesn't make or break anything. Wait untill the expansion and your gear becomes worthless anyways. Being a tank maybe hard without armor, I am sure there are classes that can do it.
Chaos Skullthrone
Yeah, the guy was actually a Troll Warrior and leveled to 60 playing completely solo and naked. Didn't even use a weapon
There have been many other players that did the same thing using 'gray' equipment (vendor trash).
I think the warhammer devs are realizing how much they failed with city seiges. The fact that they didn't expect on to happen in 6 months, and we've already seen a bunch after only 2 weeks... so now they are scrambling trying to find half-assed ways to block player progression.
For how much they wanted to be different from WOW, they certainly are very quick to add the worst features of WOW... scenario/bg grinds, Renown/Repuation grinds and now PvE raid grinds.