Originally posted by Narco28 Voting Kerry most likely because I don't want to be drafted
kerry made that up man...he is the one who wants to 'expand' the army by 2 branches, and put more troops overseas not bush so who do you think is more likely to need to draft.
taht being said, vote ralph nadar, i cant belive hes not in the poll, definatly the strongest candidate besides the big 2 morons.
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell." - Aldous Huxley
I agree Narco... thats why I was happy the deabtes happened. Alot of people were still unaware of the Kerrys and Bushs view on the issues. The debates let everyone see what the two had to say. My only problem with the debates was that more people running werent allowed to debate.
Kerry wants to add two branches but wants to take the burden off our troops by getting more countries involved. Will it work? who knows. One thing about the draft...If bush was thinking about a draft would he come out and say he was going to do it? Of course not! One thing that would be good about a draft is it would test the war supporters support for the war. Lets see how many support the war when their kids are over there.
Originally posted by 9216544 Alot of teens think that Bush will bring back the draft when repeatably he said he will NOT bring it back. Its just some of these issues that really pisses me off. This election could really depend on the youth, since the rest of the nation is devided in half.
Ok, as someone joining the US Marines, going to college for politcal science, and actually has been to the middle east. 85% of the quotes you hear from the bush people is completely false. If we (The United States) were to get involved in another conflict, even just UN support to stop the extremly dangerous situation in Africa right now, we would indeed need to reinstate the draft to keep any presence in our middle eastern bases, europe and south asia. Let alone have any National Guardsmen within the united states(Which btw is so low China would be in control the west coast to texas before we could mount a defense). Do not believe what those comercials tell you, research the facts, you will be very suprised how scary this situation actually is.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
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kerry made that up man...he is the one who wants to 'expand' the army by 2 branches, and put more troops overseas not bush so who do you think is more likely to need to draft.
Actually, we dont have any more troops 'over here' to send over there...Theres a reason reservists in the Marines and Army are being given deploiment orders within a month after boot.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Thank you for the facts man.. Im taking Political science as well and if we do get involved in another conflict, the draft is kindas the only way to have the numbers to do it. I mean people are already staying in Iraq way over the amount of time they were supposed to.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Originally posted by Drega (Which btw is so low China would be in control the west coast to texas before we could mount a defense). "SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
oh come on, get a clue. china woundt attack texas thats where yao ming is
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell." - Aldous Huxley
If i was even from the USA i would vote kerry, sorry but george bush is the biggest crap ive seen and he sucks... War for no reason? there still is no reason what even happened to mass destruction wepons or osama bin ladin heh, he pulled in so many countries to support his useless war for oil, USELESS. deaths constantly since he has been president... USA better settle down or else they are going to have to stand to the heat they seem to Wants so bad.. id be embaressed to be from USA sorry
Well I'm Libertarian, but I'm going for Bush, I in general don't agree with Democratic veiws most the time, so.
I support the war in Iraq, free speech, and the right to bear arms and what not, and for whatever it matters I am proud to be from the greatest country on Earth
Anyone know if McKain will ever run for Pres again, I like that guy.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Originally posted by Saigonshakes Thank god people under 18 can't vote! Looking back at myself when I was 15 and 16.... I'm gald I couldnt vote. And anyone who says they are what there parents are get absolutely no respect from me. Even if you think it's damn boring it's still really important. When I was 15 I couldnt care less. I'm glad to see this post beacuse if there one thing I like better thatn mmorpgs its politics.
yea I agree with you..i mean, if more people under 18 could vote, there would be a lot mroe kerry supporters
atleast now people have time to study politics, and understand why they need to vote for Bush.
However, some of us under 18 have already studied and learned the reason to vote republican. (and some of us over 18 still haven't studied politics)
No idea but I'm proud to be voting Kerry. In response to those who say voting limit should be raised to 21...well while I myself have little faith in my fellow man I do believe that most 18-20 year olds are smart enough to make an informed decision. At this point they know enough to at least research their candidates or even just vote with there party. The party system is a great system because even if you don't know much about the candidates as long as you know what each party stands for. While not all runners will represent their party the same way most will be forced to make decisions along their party's line.
"Feel free to hate me, but hate me for the right reasons."
"Your still ignorant if you believe the first thing you see when the blindfold is removed."
I don't think there should be a voting age but mandatory Phycological(spelling?) testing, to weed out all those that just follow the crowd and don't know what the canidates stand for, which I find happens alot. I'm only 16 but I find myself mature enough to make a accurate decision for President, where as I know many older people that don't as much listen to the canidates as they just vote for the same party time after time, not knowing what they stand for.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Just go back to where only landowners could vote. Not a perfect system. But at least it'd weed out alot of the morons and riff-raff.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
I don't think there should be a voting age but mandatory Phycological(spelling?) testing, to weed out all those that just follow the crowd and don't know what the canidates stand for, which I find happens alot
... and there went democracy
The whole concept of a balanced democratic vote is that every person, regardless of their social station or qualifications, gets to vote for a person, persons or group to lead their country.
True, there are many who will vote on a whim but they, in my mind, are no worse than those people who can be swayed by the razzmatazz of an election campaign or by a few soundbites from a televised 'debate'. The majority of voters in any Western democracy (I'm not from the US, by the way) are not conversant with local, national or global politics and will 'follow the crowd'- be it their parents, their peer group, or just some candidate who has a natty slogan.
[disclaimer- I don't have the answers either, but I felt the need to make a cycnical point or 2]
Which the U.S. was intended to be a republic anyhow.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
who should be in jail? probably both, but definatly kerry. definatly not nader though.
"By now everybody knows that former Senator Bob Kerrey led a seven-member team of Navy Seals into Thanh Phong village in February 1969, and murdered in cold blood more than a dozen women and children.
What hardly anyone knows, and what no one in the press is talking about (although many of them know), is that Kerrey was on a CIA mission, and its specific purpose was to kill those women and children. It was illegal, premeditated mass murder and it was a war crime.
And it's time to hold the CIA responsible. It's time for a war crimes tribunal to examine the CIA's illegal activities during and since the Vietnam War. "
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell." - Aldous Huxley
Originally posted by Tyrgris hehe, nah. Cool my sons mom lives in Prescott. However my son and I live in Phoenix. We are in the North valley near PV.
LOL...too cool!! I went to high school at Paradise Valley....graduated back in '99. Still have a lot of friends down there. I might even be moving back sometime next year to go to ASU. And my dad and I have spring season tickets to the Cubs games down in Mesa every year that we still go back for. Too funny...maybe we'll meet up in EQ2
Originally posted by 9216544 Alot of teens think that Bush will bring back the draft when repeatably he said he will NOT bring it back. Its just some of these issues that really pisses me off. This election could really depend on the youth, since the rest of the nation is devided in half. Signaturen-CreatorEQ2 Qeynos Guild- [url=http://www.imperium-arcanum.com]
Ok, as someone joining the US Marines, going to college for politcal science, and actually has been to the middle east. 85% of the quotes you hear from the bush people is completely false. If we (The United States) were to get involved in another conflict, even just UN support to stop the extremly dangerous situation in Africa right now, we would indeed need to reinstate the draft to keep any presence in our middle eastern bases, europe and south asia. Let alone have any National Guardsmen within the united states(Which btw is so low China would be in control the west coast to texas before we could mount a defense). Do not believe what those comercials tell you, research the facts, you will be very suprised how scary this situation actually is.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."[/b][/quote]
Ok I am middle eastern, Iranian actually. My dad is 100% iranian and my mom is american. So by having someone in my family who has lived in Iran for 20 years, he knows more about how it is there then you do. Ever since Bush sent troops to Iraq, they have been protesting against their government. They see that it is possible to get a democracy, and get rid of these dictators in the middle east. You would be suprised how many middle easterners support Bush and his actions on Iraq. All of my family supports him, the ones in America and Iran.
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kerry made that up man...he is the one who wants to 'expand' the army by 2 branches, and put more troops overseas not bush so who do you think is more likely to need to draft.
taht being said, vote ralph nadar, i cant belive hes not in the poll, definatly the strongest candidate besides the big 2 morons.
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell."
- Aldous Huxley
I agree Narco... thats why I was happy the deabtes happened. Alot of people were still unaware of the Kerrys and Bushs view on the issues. The debates let everyone see what the two had to say. My only problem with the debates was that more people running werent allowed to debate.
Kerry wants to add two branches but wants to take the burden off our troops by getting more countries involved. Will it work? who knows. One thing about the draft...If bush was thinking about a draft would he come out and say he was going to do it? Of course not! One thing that would be good about a draft is it would test the war supporters support for the war. Lets see how many support the war when their kids are over there.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Actually, we dont have any more troops 'over here' to send over there...Theres a reason reservists in the Marines and Army are being given deploiment orders within a month after boot.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."
This place is full of tree-huggers and tofu fartn' faeries...
Thank you for the facts man.. Im taking Political science as well and if we do get involved in another conflict, the draft is kindas the only way to have the numbers to do it. I mean people are already staying in Iraq way over the amount of time they were supposed to.
Both suck! Vote nader!
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
well defenitly not bush
i mean another few years with that guy
and before you know it we are in WW III
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oh come on, get a clue. china woundt attack texas thats where yao ming is
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell."
- Aldous Huxley
Can't vote yet unfortunately, or else it would be Kerry.
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If i was even from the USA i would vote kerry, sorry but george bush is the biggest crap ive seen and he sucks... War for no reason? there still is no reason what even happened to mass destruction wepons or osama bin ladin heh, he pulled in so many countries to support his useless war for oil, USELESS. deaths constantly since he has been president... USA better settle down or else they are going to have to stand to the heat they seem to Wants so bad.. id be embaressed to be from USA sorry
Well I'm Libertarian, but I'm going for Bush, I in general don't agree with Democratic veiws most the time, so.
I support the war in Iraq, free speech, and the right to bear arms and what not, and for whatever it matters I am proud to be from the greatest country on Earth
Anyone know if McKain will ever run for Pres again, I like that guy.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
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Bah, Democrats vs. Republicans is nothing compared to EQ2 vs. WoW.
And why isn't this in off-topic forum yet.
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No idea but I'm proud to be voting Kerry. In response to those who say voting limit should be raised to 21...well while I myself have little faith in my fellow man I do believe that most 18-20 year olds are smart enough to make an informed decision. At this point they know enough to at least research their candidates or even just vote with there party. The party system is a great system because even if you don't know much about the candidates as long as you know what each party stands for. While not all runners will represent their party the same way most will be forced to make decisions along their party's line.
"Feel free to hate me, but hate me for the right reasons."
"Your still ignorant if you believe the first thing you see when the blindfold is removed."
"Be smart enough to know I'm smarter than you."
Bah, they wouln't raise the voting limit to 21 again. How could they send 18-20yr olds to war if they couldn't even vote?
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
... and there went democracy
The whole concept of a balanced democratic vote is that every person, regardless of their social station or qualifications, gets to vote for a person, persons or group to lead their country.
True, there are many who will vote on a whim but they, in my mind, are no worse than those people who can be swayed by the razzmatazz of an election campaign or by a few soundbites from a televised 'debate'. The majority of voters in any Western democracy (I'm not from the US, by the way) are not conversant with local, national or global politics and will 'follow the crowd'- be it their parents, their peer group, or just some candidate who has a natty slogan.
[disclaimer- I don't have the answers either, but I felt the need to make a cycnical point or 2]
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
It's been proven that all of Bush's reasons for going to war were lies.
That guy should be in jail, not re-elected
who should be in jail? probably both, but definatly kerry. definatly not nader though.
"By now everybody knows that former Senator Bob Kerrey led a seven-member team of Navy Seals into Thanh Phong village in February 1969, and murdered in cold blood more than a dozen women and children.
What hardly anyone knows, and what no one in the press is talking about (although many of them know), is that Kerrey was on a CIA mission, and its specific purpose was to kill those women and children. It was illegal, premeditated mass murder and it was a war crime.
And it's time to hold the CIA responsible. It's time for a war crimes tribunal to examine the CIA's illegal activities during and since the Vietnam War. "
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell."
- Aldous Huxley
[quote]Originally posted by Drega
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Originally posted by 9216544
Alot of teens think that Bush will bring back the draft when repeatably he said he will NOT bring it back. Its just some of these issues that really pisses me off. This election could really depend on the youth, since the rest of the nation is devided in half.
Signaturen-CreatorEQ2 Qeynos Guild- [url=http://www.imperium-arcanum.com]
Ok, as someone joining the US Marines, going to college for politcal science, and actually has been to the middle east. 85% of the quotes you hear from the bush people is completely false. If we (The United States) were to get involved in another conflict, even just UN support to stop the extremly dangerous situation in Africa right now, we would indeed need to reinstate the draft to keep any presence in our middle eastern bases, europe and south asia. Let alone have any National Guardsmen within the united states(Which btw is so low China would be in control the west coast to texas before we could mount a defense). Do not believe what those comercials tell you, research the facts, you will be very suprised how scary this situation actually is.
"SOE shot my dog, killed my parents, stole my wife, and kiddnapped my lawn gnome."[/b][/quote]
Ok I am middle eastern, Iranian actually. My dad is 100% iranian and my mom is american. So by having someone in my family who has lived in Iran for 20 years, he knows more about how it is there then you do. Ever since Bush sent troops to Iraq, they have been protesting against their government. They see that it is possible to get a democracy, and get rid of these dictators in the middle east. You would be suprised how many middle easterners support Bush and his actions on Iraq. All of my family supports him, the ones in America and Iran.
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