""Why would they want to retain users (not customers - as there is no fee for using this site) who continually trash the games they have chosen to promote; and harass and insult other users of the site?""
Its called web traffic. Sites generally dont care about the quality of their web traffic, only the quantity. And yes, MMORPG.com is one of these sites. As explained to me in an email by admin, this site promotes contests to widen their user base, they could care less about the quality of the people who join, its the numbers they are after. I do not harass and insult people on this site, if you think you can show me where I have, knock yourself out. Aside from that, the question is, why not lock and moderate the threads in question, not delete them and make the posters wonder what happened leaving them to start another thread of the same kind. This is what most boards do and its flawless.
Even if people dont post but they browse the news and the game list they are helping us out. They are looking at ads and many times clicking on them which pays the hefty hosting bills for this massive site. -Admin-
So yes we do pay for this site, therefore we should be voicing our concerns. Only a fool would ignore the voice of the people.
Originally posted by ramadin Its called web traffic. Sites generally dont care about the quality of their web traffic, only the quantity. And yes, MMORPG.com is one of these sites. As explained to me in an email by admin, this site promotes contests to widen their user base, they could care less about the quality of the people who join, its the numbers they are after.
I REALLY doubt an admin said this, of course you have the email and I don't.
I would imagine they said they promote contests - and you added your own feelings following that to give "admin weight" to what you wanted to say. If so, that's pretty sleazy.
Given their rating policy: which not only checks logins but informed posts and penalizing "bad" posts - it's clearly not the forum's approach even if an admin stated that at some point.
And also to add. You guys should understand that Ram knows what he wants and that is a good thing. He is voicing his opinion as I would. Don't troll, don't post "What I think is right must be what everyone else but you topics", and "Admin this, admin that" threads. I agree that the profanity blocking is a bit too strict. Perhaps lightening up a little on the post filtering. Its either lighten up or continue with the post deletetion. Project X should come with a bad words filter if the admin is so worried about language. That way the mods won't have to police words used on Primetime TV like "Shit" and "Piss". If anyone complains, tell them that they should take it up with the poster, plain and simple. It may be a family board, but who really cares if a bad works gets out here or there.
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--Comedy and propriety... going together like Peanut Butter and Turpentine--
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
i think profanity or slang should be allowed as long as its not crossing the line of being overly offensive. This is a casual forum, alot of us talk casually with some slang or curse words, we're not all 50 yr old Mormons ya know
Sure, there will always be those who get overly offended and want to play the victim card, but at some point these people are going to need to develop thicker skin whether its the internet or an online game. I'm just saying the censorship here should be practical, and not overly parent/teacher-like, as tho there are kindergardners reading this site, and if there are their parents should be reprimanded for allowing them to surf the net which will expose them to alot worse.
Anyhow, i dont really have a problem with anything thats been done, but just wanted to give my input to how i think the mod'ing should be.
Originally posted by ramadin ""Why would they want to retain users (not customers - as there is no fee for using this site) who continually trash the games they have chosen to promote; and harass and insult other users of the site?"" _______________________________________________________ Its called web traffic. Sites generally dont care about the quality of their web traffic, only the quantity. And yes, MMORPG.com is one of these sites. As explained to me in an email by admin, this site promotes contests to widen their user base, they could care less about the quality of the people who join, its the numbers they are after. I do not harass and insult people on this site, if you think you can show me where I have, knock yourself out. Aside from that, the question is, why not lock and moderate the threads in question, not delete them and make the posters wonder what happened leaving them to start another thread of the same kind. This is what most boards do and its flawless. Even if people dont post but they browse the news and the game list they are helping us out. They are looking at ads and many times clicking on them which pays the hefty hosting bills for this massive site. -Admin-
You want to point out where any of that 'quote' states anything about the staff not being concerned with the quality of users?
If MMORPG becomes known as a "bash site" how much traffic do you think they will get then? I consider this site a reputable source of gaming information. If they allow the forums to be overrun by moronic, vulgar, rants - dont you think it would lower the creditabilty of the site?
And "clicking on ads" - while it may generate some income, how helpful is that income - if the source of it turns around and degrades the validity of the site while increasing the bandwidth expense at the same time? Advertisers like SOE, for example, advertise on this site as opposed to irreputable sites because they DO CARE about the quality of traffic. Do you think Beta Giveaways and other perks would be granted to sites that supported defamtion of the the advertiser?
P.S. - Although while not a bad suggestion about locking threads, Ramadin, it would only increase hosting expense.
Because of the rising concern of parents when it comes to games, its really no wonder they police the site they do. So many kids play the same games we do, so many kids learn the bad habits we have from us. Cuss words especially, hell I learned all mine from my own parents when they thought we were sleeping!
As long as the government threatens to take "censoring" away from the game industry much like they did music back in the 80s they have to keep a watch on these boards. Because probably half the posts, especially flaming ones are made by kids! No one's really voicing their opinion when they start a flame post, they just want to get people rilled up, my younger brother used to do that just to have a laugh. A LAUGH, you get laughed at, so why not let the mod's just delete them as they start. I'd rather read about bugs, exploits, problems, and good things about games. That was the original intent of the site.
Don't get me wrong on cussing, because I cuss like a sailor sometimes offline wise, but I try and think first when im posting on any forum board. I mean come on, cuss words are not a form of expression. If they were would they be taboo to say at work? Or to a customer if your in some sort of public service? If they were forms of expression we'd be able to say them were ever we want, to who ever we want without worrying of getting ourselves in trouble.
There's plenty of other ways to voice your anger, dismay, and what not besides cussing. It may just be my own opinion, but I think its a rather good one after all these years. But atleast its nice to see people some what calmly discussing this subject, other boards would of turned into massive flaming.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
You want to point out where any of that 'quote' states anything about the staff not being concerned with the quality of users?
If MMORPG becomes known as a "bash site" how much traffic do you think they will get then? I consider this site a reputable source of gaming information. If they allow the forums to be overrun by moronic, vulgar, rants - dont you think it would lower the creditabilty of the site?
And "clicking on ads" - while it may generate some income, how helpful is that income - if the source of it turns around and degrades the validity of the site while increasing the bandwidth expense at the same time? Advertisers like SOE, for example, advertise on this site as opposed to irreputable sites because they DO CARE about the quality of traffic. Do you think Beta Giveaways and other perks would be granted to sites that supported defamtion of the the advertiser?
P.S. - Although while not a bad suggestion about locking threads, Ramadin, it would only increase hosting expense.
I didnt say that quote had anything to do with the quality of users. Look at WoW's forums, its a "bash site" and i guarantee it gets more traffic than the WoW forums here. Do you think about anything that comes out of your mouth? How exactly would locking threads increase hosting expense? People are not being BANNED for starting threads such as EQ2 vs WoW, at least not that Ive ehard of. How is it such a terrible thing to discuss 2 of the top MMORPG's to ever hit the market?
Well since i cant edit my last post, some kind of odd bug, Ill just wrap this post up seeing as how its straying from what I originally intended. Theres a saying that goes "never argue with a fool, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
I just want to restate, I dont agree with all the thread and post editing, I think its getting out of hand. This is the reason I left the VN boards, due to the moderators being far to stringent. I truely hope I dont have to go back there.
I didnt say that quote had anything to do with the quality of users. Look at WoW's forums, its a "bash site" and i guarantee it gets more traffic than the WoW forums here.
Transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable content.
Does this look familar?
Do you think about anything that comes out of your mouth?
For someone who vows they are never insulting to other users, this is rather derogatory in my opinion.
I have not personally degraded you in any way, only voiced my opinion. I would appreciate the same respect.
How exactly would locking threads increase hosting expense?
Using web space to store TOS violations is a waste of space, space which costs money.
People are not being BANNED for starting threads such as EQ2 vs WoW, at least not that Ive ehard of.
I never mentioned anything about this.
How is it such a terrible thing to discuss 2 of the top MMORPG's to ever hit the market?
As I stated previously - The topics are not being 'discussed':
Certainly it would seem that a comparison post should be no problem. The problem is with some of the users that post to these threads. They don't discuss or compare game mechanics or even constructively criticize. They rant, flame, swear, and insult and harass the games and the other users.
Originally posted by Cik_Asalin There's no reason for swearing though the well thought and delivered rant is welcome Im sure.
Thats your opinion, dont make it mine.
Heh...well played. We expect that kind of response from an adolescent who feels as though they dont have a grasp of their language and clarity of thought for expressing their point, and whom has to resort to ignorant cursing in a lame attempt to display emotion.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Well...
The staff have come to this prolly over some arguing among themselves. Personnally I rather have a crude raw message, if someone use strong crude language all the time, we know much of his personality right away.
However, if someone is more reserved and calm, and from time to time explode...we know that person is really upset, and that can be a factor as well.
I think there need to be a balance to keep it as nice as possible for the majority, but no need for to much enforcing.
IMHO, the staff react to few at start, and now they react a little to much.
Instead of deleting EQ2 vs WoW posts, they should make a forum about EQ2 vs WoW ''best, epic battle of all times'', and they should be almost absent from it. They could transfer any post to that forum rather then deleting it.
EQ2 vs WoW is harming the general section? The topic more then deserve a hot forum for itself on it own. Dont check for me, I wont go there...unless...
- "Some peoples think I am a geek because, they say, that I think I save the world. They are wrong, I dont think I save the world, I did save the world!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Originally posted by ramadin Well since i cant edit my last post, some kind of odd bug, Ill just wrap this post up seeing as how its straying from what I originally intended. Theres a saying that goes "never argue with a fool, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". I just want to restate, I dont agree with all the thread and post editing, I think its getting out of hand. This is the reason I left the VN boards, due to the moderators being far to stringent. I truely hope I dont have to go back there.
Firstly we do care about the "quality" of people who come here, it's really odd and in a way funny that in your arguments here you keep cutting corners, twisting words and filling up gaps with words that haven't been said. The quality of members has a great impact for the website, we are after all a community based website and a far majority of good "quality" members such as we have at the moment increases our member base therefore having increased traffic for the aspects of the site that contribute to it's running costs.
Just before you mentioned that we aren't allowing EQ2 vs WoW discussions and right there is what you are missing. We do allow EQ2 vs WoW discussions, but what we are getting currently are not discussions and that is what this is all about, not us stopping quality discussions(thats what we want) we are stopping the general crap in the forums and cleaning it up. I know not everyones going to be happy about everything here, it's like the timezones for contents, we can only work for the majority and the far majority is happy.
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace. ----------------------------------------- ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
Originally posted by ParaTrooper Just before you mentioned that we aren't allowing EQ2 vs WoW discussions and right there is what you are missing. We do allow EQ2 vs WoW discussions, but what we are getting currently are not discussions and that is what this is all about, not us stopping quality discussions(thats what we want) we are stopping the general crap in the forums and cleaning it up. I know not everyones going to be happy about everything here, it's like the timezones for contents, we can only work for the majority and the far majority is happy.
I would lie if I say I am happy with Malkavian locking my previous thread. I will also lie if I say I care THAT much about it, however, been locked, we all know it will fall behind and nobody will vote over the question, which was the main interest of the subject.
I agree, however, that general need to be kept clean. All the forums? 2 reasonnable persons can argue and ignore the ''TROLLs'' or the nonsense, kids can read them and talk to each others.
I dont read 80% of the posters, and I assume many dont read me anymore as I somehow prolly could find a way to blame lack of food in Africa to raiding. The fact I dont read some dont mean it dont appeal to others persons.
The goodwill of the mass start with the simplest folks, and if you cant keep kids happy...In society we have rules, because it affect you directly, see that as ''general clean section''. If the kids dont rant here, they will rant somewhere else, and I dont think you really want that, because they will come less and less here, and they are, part of the community. Losing any part is bad.
- "Some peoples think I am a geek because, they say, that I think I save the world. They are wrong, I dont think I save the world, I did save the world!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace. ----------------------------------------- ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
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""Why would they want to retain users (not customers - as there is no fee for using this site) who continually trash the games they have chosen to promote; and harass and insult other users of the site?""
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Its called web traffic. Sites generally dont care about the quality of their web traffic, only the quantity. And yes, MMORPG.com is one of these sites. As explained to me in an email by admin, this site promotes contests to widen their user base, they could care less about the quality of the people who join, its the numbers they are after. I do not harass and insult people on this site, if you think you can show me where I have, knock yourself out. Aside from that, the question is, why not lock and moderate the threads in question, not delete them and make the posters wonder what happened leaving them to start another thread of the same kind. This is what most boards do and its flawless.
Even if people dont post but they browse the news and the game list they are helping us out. They are looking at ads and many times clicking on them which pays the hefty hosting bills for this massive site. -Admin-
So yes we do pay for this site, therefore we should be voicing our concerns. Only a fool would ignore the voice of the people.
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I REALLY doubt an admin said this, of course you have the email and I don't.
I would imagine they said they promote contests - and you added your own feelings following that to give "admin weight" to what you wanted to say. If so, that's pretty sleazy.
Given their rating policy: which not only checks logins but informed posts and penalizing "bad" posts - it's clearly not the forum's approach even if an admin stated that at some point.
I agree that harsh profanity should be kept on the low side but I think that I should still be allowed to have lesbians in my sig!
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--Comedy and propriety... going together like Peanut Butter and Turpentine--
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
And also to add. You guys should understand that Ram knows what he wants and that is a good thing. He is voicing his opinion as I would. Don't troll, don't post "What I think is right must be what everyone else but you topics", and "Admin this, admin that" threads. I agree that the profanity blocking is a bit too strict. Perhaps lightening up a little on the post filtering. Its either lighten up or continue with the post deletetion. Project X should come with a bad words filter if the admin is so worried about language. That way the mods won't have to police words used on Primetime TV like "Shit" and "Piss". If anyone complains, tell them that they should take it up with the poster, plain and simple. It may be a family board, but who really cares if a bad works gets out here or there.
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--Comedy and propriety... going together like Peanut Butter and Turpentine--
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
i think profanity or slang should be allowed as long as its not crossing the line of being overly offensive. This is a casual forum, alot of us talk casually with some slang or curse words, we're not all 50 yr old Mormons ya know
Sure, there will always be those who get overly offended and want to play the victim card, but at some point these people are going to need to develop thicker skin whether its the internet or an online game. I'm just saying the censorship here should be practical, and not overly parent/teacher-like, as tho there are kindergardners reading this site, and if there are their parents should be reprimanded for allowing them to surf the net which will expose them to alot worse.
Anyhow, i dont really have a problem with anything thats been done, but just wanted to give my input to how i think the mod'ing should be.
You want to point out where any of that 'quote' states anything about the staff not being concerned with the quality of users?
If MMORPG becomes known as a "bash site" how much traffic do you think they will get then? I consider this site a reputable source of gaming information. If they allow the forums to be overrun by moronic, vulgar, rants - dont you think it would lower the creditabilty of the site?
And "clicking on ads" - while it may generate some income, how helpful is that income - if the source of it turns around and degrades the validity of the site while increasing the bandwidth expense at the same time? Advertisers like SOE, for example, advertise on this site as opposed to irreputable sites because they DO CARE about the quality of traffic. Do you think Beta Giveaways and other perks would be granted to sites that supported defamtion of the the advertiser?
P.S. - Although while not a bad suggestion about locking threads, Ramadin, it would only increase hosting expense.
Because of the rising concern of parents when it comes to games, its really no wonder they police the site they do. So many kids play the same games we do, so many kids learn the bad habits we have from us. Cuss words especially, hell I learned all mine from my own parents when they thought we were sleeping!
As long as the government threatens to take "censoring" away from the game industry much like they did music back in the 80s they have to keep a watch on these boards. Because probably half the posts, especially flaming ones are made by kids! No one's really voicing their opinion when they start a flame post, they just want to get people rilled up, my younger brother used to do that just to have a laugh. A LAUGH, you get laughed at, so why not let the mod's just delete them as they start. I'd rather read about bugs, exploits, problems, and good things about games. That was the original intent of the site.
Don't get me wrong on cussing, because I cuss like a sailor sometimes offline wise, but I try and think first when im posting on any forum board. I mean come on, cuss words are not a form of expression. If they were would they be taboo to say at work? Or to a customer if your in some sort of public service? If they were forms of expression we'd be able to say them were ever we want, to who ever we want without worrying of getting ourselves in trouble.
There's plenty of other ways to voice your anger, dismay, and what not besides cussing. It may just be my own opinion, but I think its a rather good one after all these years. But atleast its nice to see people some what calmly discussing this subject, other boards would of turned into massive flaming.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I didnt say that quote had anything to do with the quality of users. Look at WoW's forums, its a "bash site" and i guarantee it gets more traffic than the WoW forums here. Do you think about anything that comes out of your mouth? How exactly would locking threads increase hosting expense? People are not being BANNED for starting threads such as EQ2 vs WoW, at least not that Ive ehard of. How is it such a terrible thing to discuss 2 of the top MMORPG's to ever hit the market?
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Well since i cant edit my last post, some kind of odd bug, Ill just wrap this post up seeing as how its straying from what I originally intended. Theres a saying that goes "never argue with a fool, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
I just want to restate, I dont agree with all the thread and post editing, I think its getting out of hand. This is the reason I left the VN boards, due to the moderators being far to stringent. I truely hope I dont have to go back there.
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Thats your opinion, dont make it mine.
Heh...well played. We expect that kind of response from an adolescent who feels as though they dont have a grasp of their language and clarity of thought for expressing their point, and whom has to resort to ignorant cursing in a lame attempt to display emotion.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Well...
The staff have come to this prolly over some arguing among themselves. Personnally I rather have a crude raw message, if someone use strong crude language all the time, we know much of his personality right away.
However, if someone is more reserved and calm, and from time to time explode...we know that person is really upset, and that can be a factor as well.
I think there need to be a balance to keep it as nice as possible for the majority, but no need for to much enforcing.
IMHO, the staff react to few at start, and now they react a little to much.
Instead of deleting EQ2 vs WoW posts, they should make a forum about EQ2 vs WoW ''best, epic battle of all times'', and they should be almost absent from it. They could transfer any post to that forum rather then deleting it.
EQ2 vs WoW is harming the general section? The topic more then deserve a hot forum for itself on it own. Dont check for me, I wont go there...unless...
- "Some peoples think I am a geek because, they say, that I think I save the world. They are wrong, I dont think I save the world, I did save the world!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Just before you mentioned that we aren't allowing EQ2 vs WoW discussions and right there is what you are missing. We do allow EQ2 vs WoW discussions, but what we are getting currently are not discussions and that is what this is all about, not us stopping quality discussions(thats what we want) we are stopping the general crap in the forums and cleaning it up. I know not everyones going to be happy about everything here, it's like the timezones for contents, we can only work for the majority and the far majority is happy.
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ParaTrooper, Staff @ MMORPG.com
ParaTrooper@mmorpg.com
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace.
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
*giggles*
I politely have a slight disagreement.
I would lie if I say I am happy with Malkavian locking my previous thread. I will also lie if I say I care THAT much about it, however, been locked, we all know it will fall behind and nobody will vote over the question, which was the main interest of the subject.
I agree, however, that general need to be kept clean. All the forums? 2 reasonnable persons can argue and ignore the ''TROLLs'' or the nonsense, kids can read them and talk to each others.
I dont read 80% of the posters, and I assume many dont read me anymore as I somehow prolly could find a way to blame lack of food in Africa to raiding. The fact I dont read some dont mean it dont appeal to others persons.
The goodwill of the mass start with the simplest folks, and if you cant keep kids happy...In society we have rules, because it affect you directly, see that as ''general clean section''. If the kids dont rant here, they will rant somewhere else, and I dont think you really want that, because they will come less and less here, and they are, part of the community. Losing any part is bad.
- "Some peoples think I am a geek because, they say, that I think I save the world. They are wrong, I dont think I save the world, I did save the world!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
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ParaTrooper, Staff @ MMORPG.com
ParaTrooper@mmorpg.com
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace.
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
Pehaps someone needs to create a website that tailors to all the trash talking that people want to do.
We'll call it:
MMORPGgoneWILD.com
or
MMORPGuncensored.com
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