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After watching the gameplay trailer..... I got bored

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  • corpusccorpusc Member UncommonPosts: 1,341

    i can't believe all the idiots here judging how the controls FEEL by how the animations LOOK.

     

    the masses have NO IDEA how to judge things.  they pick apart the most irrelevent crap.

     

    anyone who had any knowledge of how games work on a technical level, or even people who's IQ's are above a certain threshold would realize that the movement/physics of game entities has NOTHING to do with the hardwired animations they are married to.  believe me, the feet and arms of your character are NOT interacting with the game world AT ALL.  you are driving around a simple box, sphere or capsule that is attached to premade animations.  no matter how bad the animations are, it has NOTHING to do with your movement or the games physics. 

     

    NOTHING

     

    seems really unlikely that a game thats based around shooter combat, is gonna somehow mess up on the very basics of shooter combat, which even the crappiest of fps games have no problem achieving.

    some of you guys are mind boggling geniuses.

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  • cataphrachtcataphracht Member Posts: 50

    Darth what are you talking about? What's with this elitist scientific examination your talking about, do you think your going on a special advanced mission playing with elitist that come from mars when you play this game?

    This isn't an expert game there is no expert games, sandboxed or not they're of relatively easy difficulty, The one who spends the most time at the computer on the mmo is usually the "advanced" expert. There really isn't the skill level your trying to describe to this game.

    So stop with your kkthxbye it's annoying and please try not to overhype yourself with games by all means I might be wrong about the character movements it might be somehow enjoyable... somehow  but defending it by saying its only for elitist and experts of mmorpg not for you kkthxbye is a stupid attitude man.

    Not just you darth others are blindly defending this with ridicolous posts such as "oh but text based games such as MUD are awesome so how much more awesome will darkfall be?" such a stupid question deserves to be ignored. 

    Also read somewhere here "it's not the develepors job to make good adverts they can only make games not movies"  lol what an idiotic statement, sometimes I think this little community here are just acting ignorant to wind people up.

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  • BlodplsBlodpls Member Posts: 1,454

    Cataphracht, I can see why having good graphics is an advantage but I personally would never play a game just because the visuals were nice.  Gameplay is the only thing that matters to me. 

    I just cannot see how graphics is relevant when assessing whether a game will be fun or not.

    I am genuinely curios as to why underpar graphics would stop you playing a game, what difference does it make?

     

  • cataphrachtcataphracht Member Posts: 50
    Originally posted by corpusc


    i can't believe all the idiots here judging how the controls FEEL by how the animations LOOK.
     
    the masses have NO IDEA how to judge things.  they pick apart the most irrelevent crap.
     
    anyone who had any knowledge of how games work on a technical level, or even people who's IQ's are above a certain threshold would realize that the movement/physics of game entities has NOTHING to do with the hardwired animations they are married to.  believe me, the feet and arms of your character are NOT interacting with the game world AT ALL.  you are driving around a simple box, sphere or capsule that is attached to premade animations.  no matter how bad the animations are, it has NOTHING to do with your movement or the games physics. 
     
    NOTHING
     
    seems really unlikely that a game thats based around shooter combat, is gonna somehow mess up on the very basics of shooter combat, which even the crappiest of fps games have no problem achieving.
    some of you guys are mind boggling geniuses.
     
     
    Thanks for getting technical however if the animation sucks it still stands that the feel will suck, the feel of the whole game not the controls even though they'd probably suck too ofcourse It's just my opinion.



     

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  • cataphrachtcataphracht Member Posts: 50

    Blodpls well from reading my first post you would know I didn't mention a  problem with the graphics not at all, but when the characters run it looks slow and they move like robots also when they are fighting it just doesn't look like it will feel right.

    That's not the main reason though the main reason is that there was a 17 minute trailer of their gameplay and all I saw was clunky fighting crafting for 2 seconds which just did not look interesting and yeah uninteresting fights.

    This game's not for me because the animations and gameplay are massive things even animation alone is enough to put me off, you are going to be spending time with the game the least you can have is having your character run smoothly and not look like hes running  in the matrix movie.

     

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  • BlodplsBlodpls Member Posts: 1,454

    I'm not sure it's possible to judge the feel of a game without actually playing it.  It may look good or bad from a video but until you actually get behind the controls yourself it's very hard to tell.

    Anyway if your attempting to do this you might be better off looking at this series of video's as it's actually shot from a player perspective:

    www.youtube.com/watch

    Personally I'm expecting it to be less clunky than standard mmorpgs due to lack of reliance on tab targeting and cooldowns, hopefully it will play much more COD than WoW.

  • corpusccorpusc Member UncommonPosts: 1,341
    Originally posted by cataphracht


    Thanks for getting technical however if the animation sucks it still stands that the feel will suck, the feel of the whole game not the controls even though they'd probably suck too ofcourse It's just my opinion.



     



     

    no.  you are not making any sense at all.  re-read what i said.  the animations have NOTHING to do with the the feel of movement.

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  • sandboxysandboxy Member Posts: 153


    Originally posted by cataphracht

    If the develepors fail at making a good advert of their game what chance have they got to make a good game altogether?
    Furthermore what you are talking about does'nt make sense, lol skillpoints you obviously need a break from games from the sound of it.
    Oh yeah it's quite funny, I find people who has their avator name as sandboxy and lurking around darkfall forums all day are somewhat pathetic actually.
    Reread your last line I think it's the total opposite, the character motion and movement is very important I don't know how anyone can be satisfied with clunky movement - name a game thats been successful with clunky movement and awkard motions.


    <Mod edit>, we have seen several examples in past years where there were awesome adverts, but horrible games. AoC and Vanguard fit well into this group.

    Allthough I feel rather frustrated for having to explain something so obvious, I understand if you feel overwhelmed by it. What I meant with those 'skillpoints' is that while the developers are obviously not skilled at making videos, I hope they excel in game development. I realise it seems a bit nerdy, but lets be honest here, we are in a gaming site.

    Well, I tried to get Legolas, but it was taken. And I mostly come to this site when I want to see/read something stupid. Never fails.

    Yes, some people enjoy the way a computer character shakes its tush. Me, I go see real live girls for that. And I play games to have fun or just kill some time. And name a game that's been succesful because of how the movement looks like.

  • admriker4admriker4 Member Posts: 1,070

    This game has fps combat ? yuck....

    smart move considering all fps type MMO's are flops.

    I can forgive bad graphics. I can let bad animations skip by, I can even live with another fantasy setting but fps combat ?

    Im gonna pass on this one

  • imbantimbant Member Posts: 1,291


    Originally posted by sandboxy

    Originally posted by cataphracht

    If the develepors fail at making a good advert of their game what chance have they got to make a good game altogether?
    Furthermore what you are talking about does'nt make sense, lol skillpoints you obviously need a break from games from the sound of it.
    Oh yeah it's quite funny, I find people who has their avator name as sandboxy and lurking around darkfall forums all day are somewhat pathetic actually.
    Reread your last line I think it's the total opposite, the character motion and movement is very important I don't know how anyone can be satisfied with clunky movement - name a game thats been successful with clunky movement and awkard motions.


     
    <Mod edit>, we have seen several examples in past years where there were awesome adverts, but horrible games. AoC and Vanguard fit well into this group.
    Allthough I feel rather frustrated for having to explain something so obvious, I understand if you feel overwhelmed by it. What I meant with those 'skillpoints' is that while the developers are obviously not skilled at making videos, I hope they excel in game development. I realise it seems a bit nerdy, but lets be honest here, we are in a gaming site.
    Well, I tried to get Legolas, but it was taken. And I mostly come to this site when I want to see/read something stupid. Never fails.
    Yes, some people enjoy the way a computer character shakes its tush. Me, I go see real live girls for that. And I play games to have fun or just kill some time. And name a game that's been succesful because of how the movement looks like.


     
    Yea i can always tell whose opinion to completely ignore when i see them try to convince people that good advertisements/videos mean the game is/will be good.
    AoC anyone? 
    A million other MMOs anyone?
    DF may be absolutly terrible as well.  But trying to predict its quality based on the developer's ability to produce a trailer is just...well....WRONG.  Facts are in the precedants.
    Oh and on another point....the video was damn good, especially if you are wise enough to consider who was making it.
    Cant wait for this game!

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  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431


    Originally posted by imbant

    Originally posted by sandboxy

    Originally posted by cataphracht

    If the develepors fail at making a good advert of their game what chance have they got to make a good game altogether?
    Furthermore what you are talking about does'nt make sense, lol skillpoints you obviously need a break from games from the sound of it.
    Oh yeah it's quite funny, I find people who has their avator name as sandboxy and lurking around darkfall forums all day are somewhat pathetic actually.
    Reread your last line I think it's the total opposite, the character motion and movement is very important I don't know how anyone can be satisfied with clunky movement - name a game thats been successful with clunky movement and awkard motions.


     
    <Mod edit>, we have seen several examples in past years where there were awesome adverts, but horrible games. AoC and Vanguard fit well into this group.
    Allthough I feel rather frustrated for having to explain something so obvious, I understand if you feel overwhelmed by it. What I meant with those 'skillpoints' is that while the developers are obviously not skilled at making videos, I hope they excel in game development. I realise it seems a bit nerdy, but lets be honest here, we are in a gaming site.
    Well, I tried to get Legolas, but it was taken. And I mostly come to this site when I want to see/read something stupid. Never fails.
    Yes, some people enjoy the way a computer character shakes its tush. Me, I go see real live girls for that. And I play games to have fun or just kill some time. And name a game that's been succesful because of how the movement looks like.


     
    Yea i can always tell whose opinion to completely ignore when i see them try to convince people that good advertisements/videos mean the game is/will be good.
    AoC anyone? 
    A million other MMOs anyone?
    DF may be absolutly terrible as well.  But trying to predict its quality based on the developer's ability to produce a trailer is just...well....WRONG.  Facts are in the precedants.
    Oh and on another point....the video was damn good, especially if you are wise enough to consider who was making it.
    Cant wait for this game!


    Seeing as how Tasos&Co have absolutely no experience in game development, perhaps the same is true for video making.
     
    Perhaps since again, they have no experience in the genre theyre muddling their way through things without really knowing what theyre doing when it comes to advertisement, bad webpage design, PR, etc etc.
    Time will tell.
  • SeggallionSeggallion Member UncommonPosts: 684

    Why are people argue against one person who didn't like the trailer? Everyone can't like it. That's it.

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  • ganbeeganbee Member Posts: 233

    The trailer is not aw-inspiring, look at WOW's cinematic trailer v.s. in game footage! I have learned graphics are not the best thing in MMO's. I will see how the game plays and it's ability to immerse.Combine that with community and versatile of what I can do in game. I think that showing the game as is, best thing they can do!

  • Daedalus732Daedalus732 Member Posts: 589
    Originally posted by flakmonky

    Originally posted by Daedalus732


    I find it amusing that the great and mighty Darkfall is already tanking.
    This will never be anything more than a niche game, provided it's actually real...

     

    Tanking? How is it tanking? If you mean the ratings on this site, they don't really matter (all 10s from fanbois and 1s from trolls). If not, please elaborate.

     

    You've already got people slamming Darkfall for its graphics, animations, and sounds. Not a good sign.

    Besides, I still don't believe Darkfall is a real game. How many years have we been hearing beta rumors?

    And what publishing company would be okay with taking this much time for a game that they felt was only going to be a small, niche game? 

    Nothing adds up. Darkfall is vaporware and the game should be removed from MMORPG.com's listings until the major retailers have ship dates and pre-orders available.

     

  • GGaFxGGaFx Member Posts: 151

    ya the graphics look outdated but if the concept works and all they say the game will offer is there at launch.  well that is enough for me.  plus wow isnt the most intenesly graphical game atm.  i would say vanguard or maybe eq2 has the best graphics out there.

     

    and honestly the only other game that comes close to what darkfall is trying to do is vanguard. try the FFA server sometime and see how hard/fun it is to get things done on that game.

  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333
    Originally posted by ganbee


    The trailer is not aw-inspiring, look at WOW's cinematic trailer v.s. in game footage! I have learned graphics are not the best thing in MMO's. I will see how the game plays and it's ability to immerse.Combine that with community and versatile of what I can do in game. I think that showing the game as is, best thing they can do!

     

    Absolutely ..people seems love to be fooled by eye candy stuff and bash anything made by honesty..

     

     

     

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  • daarcodaarco Member UncommonPosts: 4,276

    In the trailer we got to see the main combat features. Mounted combat, naval combat, melee and ranged combat as well.

    And those features alone made many people doubt. But now when we can see it. People slip over to some other features and begin to complain again.

    But its a sad thing to hear. If you get bored by naval combat, mounted combat, open PvP, full loot, manual aiming and sanbox dynamic gameplay...then there cant be anything else to play that could sound intersting!

    I wonder what MMO the OP plays? It must be something really special.

     

  • originaleggoriginalegg Member Posts: 1,099
    Originally posted by Daedalus732

    Originally posted by Evasia


    These are just wow-war-aoc trolls who just hate the game and have somehow a minority complex becouse they wish there game was like darkfall in looks and gameplay

     

    You can't hate somehthing that exists only in the minds of its fanboys.

    You may want to tell that to a LOT of the posters in this forum....they may beg to differ

    At least people who play WoW, AoC, or WAR actually have a game to play.

    And this is why it is obvious why people like you are stuck on "first level thinking".  Actually have a game to play?  You know not everyone picks one game and then immeadiatly bashes every other game out there.  Many of us play and appreciate multiple games, but also look forward to DF.  I avoided AoC like the plague before release because it was obvious to someone with half a brain that they were scamming you.  But I did play and enjoy WoW and WAR for awhile before being turned off by them for different reasons.  Currently playing other games as are many fans of DF....so we have games to play too.



     

  • lilyetililyeti Member Posts: 13
    Originally posted by Daedalus732

    Originally posted by flakmonky

    Originally posted by Daedalus732


    I find it amusing that the great and mighty Darkfall is already tanking.
    This will never be anything more than a niche game, provided it's actually real...

     

    Tanking? How is it tanking? If you mean the ratings on this site, they don't really matter (all 10s from fanbois and 1s from trolls). If not, please elaborate.

     

    You've already got people slamming Darkfall for its graphics, animations, and sounds. Not a good sign.

    Besides, I still don't believe Darkfall is a real game. How many years have we been hearing beta rumors?

    And what publishing company would be okay with taking this much time for a game that they felt was only going to be a small, niche game? 

    Nothing adds up. Darkfall is vaporware and the game should be removed from MMORPG.com's listings until the major retailers have ship dates and pre-orders available.

     



     

    Translates to, "I got flamed on the Official Darkfall forums and I need a forum to cry on."

  • LorkenLorken Member Posts: 17

    dudes.. the graphics are f**king fine seriously... what do you expect this company has actually focused on something that is very important *cough* gameplay *cough* instead of super graphics that would hinder the gameplay and not allow low-end computers to run high-population battles. If they end up messing up with this then ya im done, but I hate how everyone needs amazing graphics for an mmo. I MEAN ITS A FREAKING MMORPG! they werent meant to have spectacular graphics in the first place anyway for better performance.

  • I can see where people are coming from with the animations and character models being a turn off.

    it's true that they dont look good. BUT

    that DOESNT mean they cant make a good game. It's just a weakness. Just like how WoW is not a very good game for character customization, it's still an enjoyable game. It's a logical fallacy to think so.

    it was a put-off for me even though I absolutly love the gameplay promises because I'm a visual guy and an artistic guy. I played FFXI for a long time despite the numerous constrictions of the game but I really loved the style of the visuals and characters as well as the community.

    But I am still excited for Darkfall for two reasons.

    1. It's very easy to do face-lifts. DaoC and EQ did it long after release which would have been much harder than pre-release. For all we know they could completely revamp the character animations and models before release.  the environments are already very impressive.

    2. My first MMO was UO and that game had really poor visuals but imagination filled in the gaps because i felt very free.

  • Cochran1Cochran1 Member Posts: 456

    Looks like claymation to me...... think I'd rather play TCoS instead something about it just entices me. Not sure what it is though, maybe the combat system or the character progression.

  • Syyth007Syyth007 Member Posts: 250

    My only concerns with the clunky animations and such is that I sincerely hope that they do not hamper the combat making it clunky, and/or buggy, especially since they are going a more "fps" model rather then a more traditional combat system.  Combat in this game will pretty much make it or break it, seeing as it is such a huge component.  One of the things that disappointed me most about Warhammer was the combat clunkiness..  If Mythic could fix the animations/responsiveness of the combat, it would improve their game immensely.  Darkfall would suffer more, I believe, from this seeing as it's twitch based opposed to warhammer's more traditional auto target/cool down combat.

  • siftifiedsiftified Member Posts: 258
    Originally posted by mmogamer3


    dudes.. the graphics are f**king fine seriously... what do you expect this company has actually focused on something that is very important *cough* gameplay *cough* instead of super graphics that would hinder the gameplay and not allow low-end computers to run high-population battles. If they end up messing up with this then ya im done, but I hate how everyone needs amazing graphics for an mmo. I MEAN ITS A FREAKING MMORPG! they werent meant to have spectacular graphics in the first place anyway for better performance.



     

    I agree with the above post.

    Oh and being his first post and all, it may have been that God himself has signed up on MMORPG.COM to defend Darkfall.

  • SignusMSignusM Member Posts: 2,225

     Bored? Because it actually showed what you can do in the game? 

     

    Fight PvE, sail ships, fight in naval battles, manipulate physics, craft anything, collision detection, massive world, aiming your attacks, mounted combat.... all gameplay footage.

     

    Whereas, if you wanted pure gameplay footage of WoW, it'd be... pummeling a monster. Thats it. 

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