Many millions of Euro, something short of 10M." Quote by Tasos Sept. 2008
This guy is the biggest bullshitter ever. 20 million dollars my fucking ass.
If they actually had 20 mill to spend on this then they would have had a large 50++ man seasoned PROFESSIONAL team building it and it would have been done YEARS ago.
They don't even have motion capture animations and some of the most terrible animations ever for christs sake but yet have a 20 mill budget ?
Based on everything that has been shown to date I'd be shocked if they spent anymore than $500,000 USD on this thing.
The game literally looks like it was built by hired help from college kids skill level.
You guys really think 10 M is a lot for gaming design? You guys sure are clueless.
Ultima Online 98~04 Dark Age of Camelot 03~07 Final Fantasy XI 04~06 Guild Wars 05~08 World of Warcraft 04~05 Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
The Aventurine devs aren't rookies just because their company is. Anyway, they got at least some of their funding from the Greek government, which is trying to jump-start Greece's gaming industry (as they see it as an up-and-coming industry).
Also, lying about things like funding in a public interview is veeeeery illegal. If you suspect Tasos was lying about Aventurine's financial state, you could probably get him arrested.
Of course, you'd have to have some evidence. What, you don't have any evidence? Why that can't be the case, otherwise that means you were just indulging in some baseless rumor-mongering! If you were a company yourself, that would be called slander...
They do work besides just making this game...but even $20 million US is NOTHING for this kind of game.
That might have gotten by in 1997...maybe even 2000. Development costs are waaay more than that now...take into consideration how many years they've been working on it, and the fact that they started over basically from scratch once...
That can't be even close to right. If it is, it would actually explain why it's taking so long...this game would have to be a side project of the company that they work on in their spare time only.
They do work besides just making this game...but even $20 million US is NOTHING for this kind of game. That might have gotten by in 1997...maybe even 2000. Development costs are waaay more than that now...take into consideration how many years they've been working on it, and the fact that they started over basically from scratch once... That can't be even close to right. If it is, it would actually explain why it's taking so long...this game would have to be a side project of the company that they work on in their spare time only.
I'd assume the 10mil Euro figure only counts from when they started over from scratch (because they weren't Aventurine before that, they were Razorwax).
Anyway, 10mil Euros would be low for an MMO (really really low) but labor costs are cheaper in Greece (one of the reasons Aventurine chose to develop the game there in the first place) and you can cut some corners to save quite a lot of money (no real advertising, low quality textures/models for obscure ingame items as we've seen in the screenshots, etc).
So taking that into consideration, the budget isn't prohibitive for what they're doing.
Based on everything that has been shown to date I'd be shocked if they spent anymore than $500,000 USD on this thing.
This man clearly doesn't know what it takes to fund a videogame.
500k is for garage companies. The devs have their own office space which over the past decade which would take a large chunk out of the 500k in rental fees.
It's interesting tho - according to my trusty calculator, in order for them to come out even would mean to have 250k people who give them 40 € - be it via box sales alone or including subscription fees (although then we have to factor in the costs of running the servers, maintenance, GMs etc etc).
And considering that it can't be to goal of any business just to come out even, I am quite curious to see how this pans out in the end. 250k box sales is not going to be so easy - given that they aim for a niche market and have not invested anything into marketing. I mean, WAR and AOC got in the range of 1 Million units sold, but they had a massive marketing machinery behind them.
They do work besides just making this game...but even $20 million US is NOTHING for this kind of game. That might have gotten by in 1997...maybe even 2000. Development costs are waaay more than that now...take into consideration how many years they've been working on it, and the fact that they started over basically from scratch once... That can't be even close to right. If it is, it would actually explain why it's taking so long...this game would have to be a side project of the company that they work on in their spare time only.
I'd assume the 10mil Euro figure only counts from when they started over from scratch (because they weren't Aventurine before that, they were Razorwax).
Anyway, 10mil Euros would be low for an MMO (really really low) but labor costs are cheaper in Greece (one of the reasons Aventurine chose to develop the game there in the first place) and you can cut some corners to save quite a lot of money (no real advertising, low quality textures/models for obscure ingame items as we've seen in the screenshots, etc).
So taking that into consideration, the budget isn't prohibitive for what they're doing.
Tell me about it! See how far 10 milion Euros stretches after ten years of summer resort parties on Mykonos and winters skiing in the Swiss Alps.
Of course you're right there are lots of ways to cut corners and save money. Brainwashing a congregation of mindless UO and SWG burnouts was a great substitute for having to spend cash on marketing and advertising. Hell give them enough time and they start brainwashing themselves no need for any encouragement. And of course wheeling in a herd of college interns for lunch money saved having to run expensive servers for actual testing.
But the true masterstroke was the invention of AI beta testing bots. Once those were perfected it was only a small technical step to adapt their code slightly and VIOLA! we were able to replace the entire dev team with AI programmers and AI artists (that run away when their health gets too low). And of course the AI is so good we're recovering all our costs by selling it to the Greek military.
Unfortunately this means further delay of the release of Darkfall since it now contains highly classified military technology. But don't worry we're hoping to begin Open Beta testing sometime soon. Stay tuned!
That leads to the next question. Where the heck does an unproven Dev Team get 12 million dollars, 20 million Euros, whatever the figure is. That's a lot of money. I can understand how a Brad McQuaid or a Richard Garriot could raise that sort of investor capital, but some guys that have never released a game before? Wow.
Maybe they have a rich cousin who is also a prince in Saudi Arabia?
Hard to say. But it would be a tough sell.
Give me money to make a game. If the game is successful, you'll get your money back and a tidy profit besides.
Well, that sounds good. I know subscription based games can be very profitable. What games have you made before?
None.
Ok, here's 12 million dollars.
This will realy get your goat then lol, After spending the 10mil Euro's for development they recieved a 20 mil Euro convertable bond loan lol.
They do work besides just making this game...but even $20 million US is NOTHING for this kind of game. That might have gotten by in 1997...maybe even 2000. Development costs are waaay more than that now...take into consideration how many years they've been working on it, and the fact that they started over basically from scratch once... That can't be even close to right. If it is, it would actually explain why it's taking so long...this game would have to be a side project of the company that they work on in their spare time only.
Originally posted by EloD Ya the majority opinion. You can build better shit than this using Torque Engine advanced.
You mean the majority opinion of this forum and this forum alone? Even then that'd be a stretch, while there's been some complaints about the graphics here I don't think anyone's buying your crazy Torque conspiracy theories TenSpotting.
Keep wearing that tin-foil hat Spot! The Darkfall graphics engine was made in Torque, and Aventurine are an evil Greek scam out to get you by promising to let people try their game... for free... before playing... hmm...
Seriously, be skeptical on Aventurine all you want people, but thinking Darkfall is some sort of scam when they've promised you can try before you buy is kinda silly. What have you got to lose? The minute there's a hint they'll ask people to pay for beta or pre-orders, I'll grab a pitch-fork and join you, but at the minute all the nerdrage is a little unfounded.
If Aventurine want to suck at PR, that's their business - nobody but them is losing out.
Originally posted by EloD Ya the majority opinion. You can build better shit than this using Torque Engine advanced.
You mean the majority opinion of this forum and this forum alone? Even then that'd be a stretch, while there's been some complaints about the graphics here I don't think anyone's buying your crazy Torque conspiracy theories TenSpotting.
Keep wearing that tin-foil hat Spot! The Darkfall graphics engine was made in Torque, and Aventurine are an evil Greek scam out to get you by promising to let people try their game... for free... before playing... hmm...
Seriously, be skeptical on Aventurine all you want people, but thinking Darkfall is some sort of scam when they've promised you can try before you buy is kinda silly. What have you got to lose? The minute there's a hint they'll ask people to pay for beta or pre-orders, I'll grab a pitch-fork and join you, but at the minute all the nerdrage is a little unfounded.
If Aventurine want to suck at PR, that's their business - nobody but them is losing out.
/offtopic
I don't think he said it was a scam, just that the graphic aren't great.
It's called a "strawman" argument.
You're arguing against the game being a scam, but the OP said "the grapics aren't great".
You have to argue that he's wrong, and the graphics are good, if you want to argue against his post, not that the game isn't a scam, because he didn't say that.
Originally posted by EloD Ya the majority opinion. You can build better shit than this using Torque Engine advanced.
You mean the majority opinion of this forum and this forum alone? Even then that'd be a stretch, while there's been some complaints about the graphics here I don't think anyone's buying your crazy Torque conspiracy theories TenSpotting.
Keep wearing that tin-foil hat Spot! The Darkfall graphics engine was made in Torque, and Aventurine are an evil Greek scam out to get you by promising to let people try their game... for free... before playing... hmm...
Seriously, be skeptical on Aventurine all you want people, but thinking Darkfall is some sort of scam when they've promised you can try before you buy is kinda silly. What have you got to lose? The minute there's a hint they'll ask people to pay for beta or pre-orders, I'll grab a pitch-fork and join you, but at the minute all the nerdrage is a little unfounded.
If Aventurine want to suck at PR, that's their business - nobody but them is losing out.
/offtopic
Actually they've never promised what I high-lighted in your post above. They have said they HOPE to offer it yes... but then they have "hoped" for quite a few things that haven't happened yet... so take it for what it's worth.
Originally posted by EloD Ya the majority opinion. You can build better shit than this using Torque Engine advanced.
You mean the majority opinion of this forum and this forum alone? Even then that'd be a stretch, while there's been some complaints about the graphics here I don't think anyone's buying your crazy Torque conspiracy theories TenSpotting.
Keep wearing that tin-foil hat Spot! The Darkfall graphics engine was made in Torque, and Aventurine are an evil Greek scam out to get you by promising to let people try their game... for free... before playing... hmm...
Seriously, be skeptical on Aventurine all you want people, but thinking Darkfall is some sort of scam when they've promised you can try before you buy is kinda silly. What have you got to lose? The minute there's a hint they'll ask people to pay for beta or pre-orders, I'll grab a pitch-fork and join you, but at the minute all the nerdrage is a little unfounded.
If Aventurine want to suck at PR, that's their business - nobody but them is losing out.
/offtopic
Actually they've never promised what I high-lighted in your post above. They have said they HOPE to offer it yes... but then they have "hoped" for quite a few things that haven't happened yet... so take it for what it's worth.
Originally posted by EloD Ya the majority opinion. You can build better shit than this using Torque Engine advanced.
You mean the majority opinion of this forum and this forum alone? Even then that'd be a stretch, while there's been some complaints about the graphics here I don't think anyone's buying your crazy Torque conspiracy theories TenSpotting.
Keep wearing that tin-foil hat Spot! The Darkfall graphics engine was made in Torque, and Aventurine are an evil Greek scam out to get you by promising to let people try their game... for free... before playing... hmm...
Seriously, be skeptical on Aventurine all you want people, but thinking Darkfall is some sort of scam when they've promised you can try before you buy is kinda silly. What have you got to lose? The minute there's a hint they'll ask people to pay for beta or pre-orders, I'll grab a pitch-fork and join you, but at the minute all the nerdrage is a little unfounded.
If Aventurine want to suck at PR, that's their business - nobody but them is losing out.
/offtopic
I don't think he said it was a scam, just that the graphic aren't great.
It's called a "strawman" argument.
You're arguing against the game being a scam, but the OP said "the grapics aren't great".
You have to argue that he's wrong, and the graphics are good, if you want to argue against his post, not that the game isn't a scam, because he didn't say that.
the problem is shes running medium settings not max and i think some stuff looks to be on low.
wtf you expect when it can run decent on a single core and a 6800 gpu
Humm another one of your opinions stated as fact? if not prove it. Hell they took a 2 week vacation before they could be bothered to finish the video they pormised in May but delivered in August. Sorry but it really doesn't sound like they have that strong of a work ethic.
I don't think he said it was a scam, just that the graphic aren't great. It's called a "strawman" argument. You're arguing against the game being a scam, but the OP said "the grapics aren't great". You have to argue that he's wrong, and the graphics are good, if you want to argue against his post, not that the game isn't a scam, because he didn't say that.
the problem is shes running medium settings not max and i think some stuff looks to be on low.
wtf you expect when it can run decent on a single core and a 6800 gpu
I'd guess because with any significant number of players the game might run like a slide show on max setting, but then thats just a guess we'll see for sure when the games out.
Point being the games not being run on max settings in any video/preview we've seen, Perhaps for a reason. I wouldn't get my hopes up that it will run well on max settings, otherwis why not make a video with settings turned up to really show the game off?
I hear VG has some really nice graphics when turned all the way up, however I'd say that for over 80% of its player base at release it was unplayable with the graphics set any higher then medium. In the end it might have had the graphics but what good did it do the majority of the player base?
You mean the majority opinion of this forum and this forum alone? Even then that'd be a stretch, while there's been some complaints about the graphics here I don't think anyone's buying your crazy Torque conspiracy theories TenSpotting. Keep wearing that tin-foil hat Spot! The Darkfall graphics engine was made in Torque, and Aventurine are an evil Greek scam out to get you by promising to let people try their game... for free... before playing... hmm...
Seriously, be skeptical on Aventurine all you want people, but thinking Darkfall is some sort of scam when they've promised you can try before you buy is kinda silly. What have you got to lose? The minute there's a hint they'll ask people to pay for beta or pre-orders, I'll grab a pitch-fork and join you, but at the minute all the nerdrage is a little unfounded. If Aventurine want to suck at PR, that's their business - nobody but them is losing out. /offtopic
Actually they've never promised what I high-lighted in your post above. They have said they HOPE to offer it yes... but then they have "hoped" for quite a few things that haven't happened yet... so take it for what it's worth.
I was wondering about that. you always see the fans here say that aventuire has promised everyone will be able to try before buying the game, but i've never actually seen a aventurine post stating such, figured maybe i missed it.
Anyway only 11 more days till OP ends and some 27 till the game is live? I haven't heard Tasos say anything about a delay and surely they'd know by now if there was gonna be one.
Tasos has both stated that he wants people to be able to try the game before they buy it, and that they were about two weeks behind when the beta expanded.
On the try before you buy part. Contrary or at least in addition to tasos implying that open beta is this free test. I actually belive this is actually a reference to them doing a client download system and free 14 day trials like EVE online does. It makes sense and they don't need to rely so much on distribution.
World of Warcraft: $80 Million
Vanguard: $30 Million
Evequest: $8 Million
Darkfall has about a $27mil loan in their budget from Marfin bank
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This guy is the biggest bullshitter ever. 20 million dollars my fucking ass.
If they actually had 20 mill to spend on this then they would have had a large 50++ man seasoned PROFESSIONAL team building it and it would have been done YEARS ago.
They don't even have motion capture animations and some of the most terrible animations ever for christs sake but yet have a 20 mill budget ?
Based on everything that has been shown to date I'd be shocked if they spent anymore than $500,000 USD on this thing.
The game literally looks like it was built by hired help from college kids skill level.
You guys really think 10 M is a lot for gaming design? You guys sure are clueless.
Ultima Online 98~04
Dark Age of Camelot 03~07
Final Fantasy XI 04~06
Guild Wars 05~08
World of Warcraft 04~05
Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
The Aventurine devs aren't rookies just because their company is. Anyway, they got at least some of their funding from the Greek government, which is trying to jump-start Greece's gaming industry (as they see it as an up-and-coming industry).
Also, lying about things like funding in a public interview is veeeeery illegal. If you suspect Tasos was lying about Aventurine's financial state, you could probably get him arrested.
Of course, you'd have to have some evidence. What, you don't have any evidence? Why that can't be the case, otherwise that means you were just indulging in some baseless rumor-mongering! If you were a company yourself, that would be called slander...
They do work besides just making this game...but even $20 million US is NOTHING for this kind of game.
That might have gotten by in 1997...maybe even 2000. Development costs are waaay more than that now...take into consideration how many years they've been working on it, and the fact that they started over basically from scratch once...
That can't be even close to right. If it is, it would actually explain why it's taking so long...this game would have to be a side project of the company that they work on in their spare time only.
I'd assume the 10mil Euro figure only counts from when they started over from scratch (because they weren't Aventurine before that, they were Razorwax).
Anyway, 10mil Euros would be low for an MMO (really really low) but labor costs are cheaper in Greece (one of the reasons Aventurine chose to develop the game there in the first place) and you can cut some corners to save quite a lot of money (no real advertising, low quality textures/models for obscure ingame items as we've seen in the screenshots, etc).
So taking that into consideration, the budget isn't prohibitive for what they're doing.
Based on everything that has been shown to date I'd be shocked if they spent anymore than $500,000 USD on this thing.
This man clearly doesn't know what it takes to fund a videogame.
500k is for garage companies. The devs have their own office space which over the past decade which would take a large chunk out of the 500k in rental fees.
It's interesting tho - according to my trusty calculator, in order for them to come out even would mean to have 250k people who give them 40 € - be it via box sales alone or including subscription fees (although then we have to factor in the costs of running the servers, maintenance, GMs etc etc).
And considering that it can't be to goal of any business just to come out even, I am quite curious to see how this pans out in the end. 250k box sales is not going to be so easy - given that they aim for a niche market and have not invested anything into marketing. I mean, WAR and AOC got in the range of 1 Million units sold, but they had a massive marketing machinery behind them.
I'd assume the 10mil Euro figure only counts from when they started over from scratch (because they weren't Aventurine before that, they were Razorwax).
Anyway, 10mil Euros would be low for an MMO (really really low) but labor costs are cheaper in Greece (one of the reasons Aventurine chose to develop the game there in the first place) and you can cut some corners to save quite a lot of money (no real advertising, low quality textures/models for obscure ingame items as we've seen in the screenshots, etc).
So taking that into consideration, the budget isn't prohibitive for what they're doing.
Tell me about it! See how far 10 milion Euros stretches after ten years of summer resort parties on Mykonos and winters skiing in the Swiss Alps.
Of course you're right there are lots of ways to cut corners and save money. Brainwashing a congregation of mindless UO and SWG burnouts was a great substitute for having to spend cash on marketing and advertising. Hell give them enough time and they start brainwashing themselves no need for any encouragement. And of course wheeling in a herd of college interns for lunch money saved having to run expensive servers for actual testing.
But the true masterstroke was the invention of AI beta testing bots. Once those were perfected it was only a small technical step to adapt their code slightly and VIOLA! we were able to replace the entire dev team with AI programmers and AI artists (that run away when their health gets too low). And of course the AI is so good we're recovering all our costs by selling it to the Greek military.
Unfortunately this means further delay of the release of Darkfall since it now contains highly classified military technology. But don't worry we're hoping to begin Open Beta testing sometime soon. Stay tuned!
Maybe they have a rich cousin who is also a prince in Saudi Arabia?
Hard to say. But it would be a tough sell.
Give me money to make a game. If the game is successful, you'll get your money back and a tidy profit besides.
Well, that sounds good. I know subscription based games can be very profitable. What games have you made before?
None.
Ok, here's 12 million dollars.
This will realy get your goat then lol, After spending the 10mil Euro's for development they recieved a 20 mil Euro convertable bond loan lol.
Based on everything that has been shown to date I'd be shocked if they spent anymore than $500,000 USD on this thing.
This man clearly doesn't know what it takes to fund a videogame.
500k is for garage companies.
And that's exactly what this game looks like. A garage game.
no lol there putitng in 80 hour work weeks atm
Based on everything that has been shown to date I'd be shocked if they spent anymore than $500,000 USD on this thing.
This man clearly doesn't know what it takes to fund a videogame.
500k is for garage companies.
And that's exactly what this game looks like. A garage game.
OPINION
You have no clue what you're talking about. Do you even know what a convertible bond loan is or how it works?
You don't GET a convertible bond loan. You ISSUE a convertible bond loan.
You place up bonds for sale which (IF PURCHASED BY INVESTORS) later get "converted" into stock within the company.
NO WHERE does it say they sold 20 mill dollars worth of stock.
Based on everything that has been shown to date I'd be shocked if they spent anymore than $500,000 USD on this thing.
This man clearly doesn't know what it takes to fund a videogame.
500k is for garage companies.
And that's exactly what this game looks like. A garage game.
btw how many fing accounts are you going to make tenspotting
Based on everything that has been shown to date I'd be shocked if they spent anymore than $500,000 USD on this thing.
This man clearly doesn't know what it takes to fund a videogame.
500k is for garage companies.
And that's exactly what this game looks like. A garage game.
OPINION
Ya the majority opinion. You can build better shit than this using Torque Engine advanced.
Based on everything that has been shown to date I'd be shocked if they spent anymore than $500,000 USD on this thing.
This man clearly doesn't know what it takes to fund a videogame.
500k is for garage companies.
And that's exactly what this game looks like. A garage game.
OPINION
Ya the majority opinion. You can build better shit than this using Torque Engine advanced.
Check out some of Eagle's work, just using Realm Crafter:
http://mmorpgmaker.vault.ign.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2021&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=210You mean the majority opinion of this forum and this forum alone? Even then that'd be a stretch, while there's been some complaints about the graphics here I don't think anyone's buying your crazy Torque conspiracy theories TenSpotting.
Keep wearing that tin-foil hat Spot! The Darkfall graphics engine was made in Torque, and Aventurine are an evil Greek scam out to get you by promising to let people try their game... for free... before playing... hmm...
Seriously, be skeptical on Aventurine all you want people, but thinking Darkfall is some sort of scam when they've promised you can try before you buy is kinda silly. What have you got to lose? The minute there's a hint they'll ask people to pay for beta or pre-orders, I'll grab a pitch-fork and join you, but at the minute all the nerdrage is a little unfounded.
If Aventurine want to suck at PR, that's their business - nobody but them is losing out.
/offtopic
You mean the majority opinion of this forum and this forum alone? Even then that'd be a stretch, while there's been some complaints about the graphics here I don't think anyone's buying your crazy Torque conspiracy theories TenSpotting.
Keep wearing that tin-foil hat Spot! The Darkfall graphics engine was made in Torque, and Aventurine are an evil Greek scam out to get you by promising to let people try their game... for free... before playing... hmm...
Seriously, be skeptical on Aventurine all you want people, but thinking Darkfall is some sort of scam when they've promised you can try before you buy is kinda silly. What have you got to lose? The minute there's a hint they'll ask people to pay for beta or pre-orders, I'll grab a pitch-fork and join you, but at the minute all the nerdrage is a little unfounded.
If Aventurine want to suck at PR, that's their business - nobody but them is losing out.
/offtopic
I don't think he said it was a scam, just that the graphic aren't great.
It's called a "strawman" argument.
You're arguing against the game being a scam, but the OP said "the grapics aren't great".
You have to argue that he's wrong, and the graphics are good, if you want to argue against his post, not that the game isn't a scam, because he didn't say that.
You mean the majority opinion of this forum and this forum alone? Even then that'd be a stretch, while there's been some complaints about the graphics here I don't think anyone's buying your crazy Torque conspiracy theories TenSpotting.
Keep wearing that tin-foil hat Spot! The Darkfall graphics engine was made in Torque, and Aventurine are an evil Greek scam out to get you by promising to let people try their game... for free... before playing... hmm...
Seriously, be skeptical on Aventurine all you want people, but thinking Darkfall is some sort of scam when they've promised you can try before you buy is kinda silly. What have you got to lose? The minute there's a hint they'll ask people to pay for beta or pre-orders, I'll grab a pitch-fork and join you, but at the minute all the nerdrage is a little unfounded.
If Aventurine want to suck at PR, that's their business - nobody but them is losing out.
/offtopic
Actually they've never promised what I high-lighted in your post above. They have said they HOPE to offer it yes... but then they have "hoped" for quite a few things that haven't happened yet... so take it for what it's worth.
You mean the majority opinion of this forum and this forum alone? Even then that'd be a stretch, while there's been some complaints about the graphics here I don't think anyone's buying your crazy Torque conspiracy theories TenSpotting.
Keep wearing that tin-foil hat Spot! The Darkfall graphics engine was made in Torque, and Aventurine are an evil Greek scam out to get you by promising to let people try their game... for free... before playing... hmm...
Seriously, be skeptical on Aventurine all you want people, but thinking Darkfall is some sort of scam when they've promised you can try before you buy is kinda silly. What have you got to lose? The minute there's a hint they'll ask people to pay for beta or pre-orders, I'll grab a pitch-fork and join you, but at the minute all the nerdrage is a little unfounded.
If Aventurine want to suck at PR, that's their business - nobody but them is losing out.
/offtopic
Actually they've never promised what I high-lighted in your post above. They have said they HOPE to offer it yes... but then they have "hoped" for quite a few things that haven't happened yet... so take it for what it's worth.
I hoped you wouldn't notice that...
You mean the majority opinion of this forum and this forum alone? Even then that'd be a stretch, while there's been some complaints about the graphics here I don't think anyone's buying your crazy Torque conspiracy theories TenSpotting.
Keep wearing that tin-foil hat Spot! The Darkfall graphics engine was made in Torque, and Aventurine are an evil Greek scam out to get you by promising to let people try their game... for free... before playing... hmm...
Seriously, be skeptical on Aventurine all you want people, but thinking Darkfall is some sort of scam when they've promised you can try before you buy is kinda silly. What have you got to lose? The minute there's a hint they'll ask people to pay for beta or pre-orders, I'll grab a pitch-fork and join you, but at the minute all the nerdrage is a little unfounded.
If Aventurine want to suck at PR, that's their business - nobody but them is losing out.
/offtopic
I don't think he said it was a scam, just that the graphic aren't great.
It's called a "strawman" argument.
You're arguing against the game being a scam, but the OP said "the grapics aren't great".
You have to argue that he's wrong, and the graphics are good, if you want to argue against his post, not that the game isn't a scam, because he didn't say that.
the problem is shes running medium settings not max and i think some stuff looks to be on low.
wtf you expect when it can run decent on a single core and a 6800 gpu
Humm another one of your opinions stated as fact? if not prove it. Hell they took a 2 week vacation before they could be bothered to finish the video they pormised in May but delivered in August. Sorry but it really doesn't sound like they have that strong of a work ethic.
the problem is shes running medium settings not max and i think some stuff looks to be on low.
wtf you expect when it can run decent on a single core and a 6800 gpu
I'd guess because with any significant number of players the game might run like a slide show on max setting, but then thats just a guess we'll see for sure when the games out.
Point being the games not being run on max settings in any video/preview we've seen, Perhaps for a reason. I wouldn't get my hopes up that it will run well on max settings, otherwis why not make a video with settings turned up to really show the game off?
I hear VG has some really nice graphics when turned all the way up, however I'd say that for over 80% of its player base at release it was unplayable with the graphics set any higher then medium. In the end it might have had the graphics but what good did it do the majority of the player base?
Actually they've never promised what I high-lighted in your post above. They have said they HOPE to offer it yes... but then they have "hoped" for quite a few things that haven't happened yet... so take it for what it's worth.
I was wondering about that. you always see the fans here say that aventuire has promised everyone will be able to try before buying the game, but i've never actually seen a aventurine post stating such, figured maybe i missed it.
Anyway only 11 more days till OP ends and some 27 till the game is live? I haven't heard Tasos say anything about a delay and surely they'd know by now if there was gonna be one.
Tasos has both stated that he wants people to be able to try the game before they buy it, and that they were about two weeks behind when the beta expanded.
On the try before you buy part. Contrary or at least in addition to tasos implying that open beta is this free test. I actually belive this is actually a reference to them doing a client download system and free 14 day trials like EVE online does. It makes sense and they don't need to rely so much on distribution.
World of Warcraft: $80 Million
Vanguard: $30 Million
Evequest: $8 Million
Darkfall has about a $27mil loan in their budget from Marfin bank