my attention is the length of time it has taken to develope it....but this isn't why I am posting.
Orly? Cause that seems to be the only point you have in your long, boring whine.
FYI, taking account that it's a small indie developer and the scope of their project, I would say they're right on schedule.
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Originally posted by Enigma
yeah...i can also link you about 12 other false dates they gave too. Besides, my thread wasnt about them lying about it coming out (you should read it. I was talking about how no one really cares about it anymore due to the length of time.
Honestly I only read the first half dozen posts or so, most of the posts just seem to rehash what was already said before. Going back and forth that it won't release or that it will suck etc.
For all the naysayers I would just like to know, why do you even care? If you don't like the game or don't even plan on playing it, why do you even care about what happens to the game? Seems like everyday there is a new it will fail or won't ever release thread. Whats the point already? We get it, you don't like the game and aren't wasting your money on it, kudo's to you. Who the hell cares when or if it will release, if it comes out it comes out if it doesn't it doesn't. None of use here have any vested financial interest in the game so why do we even care?
Just wait until the game comes out and then judge it based on that. Kind of sad to see people that are so bored that they have to try and discuss a topic that they basically have no interest in. Rather than bash a game you aren't going to play why don't you hop over to the forums for the game you are playing and discuss something pertinent there. Every person that comes here to bash a game they aren't even remotely planning on playing comes off looking like an idiot.
So with that said, lets see all the intelligent flames that ya'll will try to produce. I know some of you will have half-way intelligent remarks, but sadly most will make themselves look dumber. Hmmm thinking it won't be easy defending yourself against the sane logic of why do you even care if the game will fail if you aren't a fan and won't be spending money on it.
Honestly I only read the first half dozen posts or so, most of the posts just seem to rehash what was already said before. Going back and forth that it won't release or that it will suck etc. For all the naysayers I would just like to know, why do you even care? If you don't like the game or don't even plan on playing it, why do you even care about what happens to the game? Seems like everyday there is a new it will fail or won't ever release thread. Whats the point already? We get it, you don't like the game and aren't wasting your money on it, kudo's to you. Who the hell cares when or if it will release, if it comes out it comes out if it doesn't it doesn't. None of use here have any vested financial interest in the game so why do we even care? Just wait until the game comes out and then judge it based on that. Kind of sad to see people that are so bored that they have to try and discuss a topic that they basically have no interest in. Rather than bash a game you aren't going to play why don't you hop over to the forums for the game you are playing and discuss something pertinent there. Every person that comes here to bash a game they aren't even remotely planning on playing comes off looking like an idiot. So with that said, lets see all the intelligent flames that ya'll will try to produce. I know some of you will have half-way intelligent remarks, but sadly most will make themselves look dumber. Hmmm thinking it won't be easy defending yourself against the sane logic of why do you even care if the game will fail if you aren't a fan and won't be spending money on it.
The question is, why do you care that they care enough to make random posts about irrelevant things(in your opinion) so much that you make a random post complaining about random posts? How does that even make any sense to you?
Anyway, for the record if people didn't come in the Darkfall forums and discuss the eternal release or not releasing debate what else would there be to talk about? The 9 screenshots and 2 videos get old after awhile. The majority of people that post here are probably are bored at work like me and at least their posts are funny.
If you don't find these type of topics enlightening or funny in any way then by your own logic you should just ignore them since they are irrelevant to you. As you said, you're going to play the game when it releases and judge then, but you care if random Joe 86769 thinks it won't? People on both sides need to get high or laid and realize how funny the posters on mmorpg are sometimes. In the end its all just words, so who really cares?
Honestly I only read the first half dozen posts or so, most of the posts just seem to rehash what was already said before. Going back and forth that it won't release or that it will suck etc. For all the naysayers I would just like to know, why do you even care? If you don't like the game or don't even plan on playing it, why do you even care about what happens to the game? Seems like everyday there is a new it will fail or won't ever release thread. Whats the point already? We get it, you don't like the game and aren't wasting your money on it, kudo's to you. Who the hell cares when or if it will release, if it comes out it comes out if it doesn't it doesn't. None of use here have any vested financial interest in the game so why do we even care? Just wait until the game comes out and then judge it based on that. Kind of sad to see people that are so bored that they have to try and discuss a topic that they basically have no interest in. Rather than bash a game you aren't going to play why don't you hop over to the forums for the game you are playing and discuss something pertinent there. Every person that comes here to bash a game they aren't even remotely planning on playing comes off looking like an idiot. So with that said, lets see all the intelligent flames that ya'll will try to produce. I know some of you will have half-way intelligent remarks, but sadly most will make themselves look dumber. Hmmm thinking it won't be easy defending yourself against the sane logic of why do you even care if the game will fail if you aren't a fan and won't be spending money on it.
Actually, I think some of us do care about the game and want to see it succeed. Just read my posts. I am not trying to bash the game at all. Read a few posts back to see why I care and why I think it is important. And I believe many people are using logic and reasoning to make points about the game itself.
If I am not mistaken this is the Darkfall forum, and there is no rule that everyone who posts here must want to play the game. Some of us are seeking answers to questions that we have and are valid questions. However, we get the same answers: our opinions don't matter, we are stupid, we look dumb, we shouldn't be allowed to comment because we are not playing, etc....
The facts are the facts and its clearly evident that people do not want to discuss the facts with those of us who fall on the not-sure-we-want-to-play side of the fence. And my suggestion is to try and provide us with good answers to our questions and concerns and not tell us we are dumb and to get the heck out.
What is there to talk about? That the development has taken a long time? That Aventurine has missed dates? That Darkfall might be shit? That DF might still be Vaporwear?
You people really think that fans don't know all this? I've followed this supposed game for eons now, not because I have blind faith in it, but because of all this bullshit you see on the left and Darkfall being the one chance to show game developers that not everything has to be a mind-numbing grind. If Darkfall fails, I'm really truly done with this garbage.
Honestly I only read the first half dozen posts or so, most of the posts just seem to rehash what was already said before. Going back and forth that it won't release or that it will suck etc. For all the naysayers I would just like to know, why do you even care? If you don't like the game or don't even plan on playing it, why do you even care about what happens to the game? Seems like everyday there is a new it will fail or won't ever release thread. Whats the point already? We get it, you don't like the game and aren't wasting your money on it, kudo's to you. Who the hell cares when or if it will release, if it comes out it comes out if it doesn't it doesn't. None of use here have any vested financial interest in the game so why do we even care? Just wait until the game comes out and then judge it based on that. Kind of sad to see people that are so bored that they have to try and discuss a topic that they basically have no interest in. Rather than bash a game you aren't going to play why don't you hop over to the forums for the game you are playing and discuss something pertinent there. Every person that comes here to bash a game they aren't even remotely planning on playing comes off looking like an idiot. So with that said, lets see all the intelligent flames that ya'll will try to produce. I know some of you will have half-way intelligent remarks, but sadly most will make themselves look dumber. Hmmm thinking it won't be easy defending yourself against the sane logic of why do you even care if the game will fail if you aren't a fan and won't be spending money on it.
Actually, I think some of us do care about the game and want to see it succeed. Just read my posts. I am not trying to bash the game at all. Read a few posts back to see why I care and why I think it is important. And I believe many people are using logic and reasoning to make points about the game itself.
If I am not mistaken this is the Darkfall forum, and there is no rule that everyone who posts here must want to play the game. Some of us are seeking answers to questions that we have and are valid questions. However, we get the same answers: our opinions don't matter, we are stupid, we look dumb, we shouldn't be allowed to comment because we are not playing, etc....
The facts are the facts and its clearly evident that people do not want to discuss the facts with those of us who fall on the not-sure-we-want-to-play side of the fence. And my suggestion is to try and provide us with good answers to our questions and concerns and not tell us we are dumb and to get the heck out.
If Darkfall fails, I'm really truly done with this garbage.
Then shouldn't questions that are being asked and comments being made (similar to my posts in this thread and Enigma's original post be addressed) or at least thought about and not pushed aside via simply name calling?
I mean, for goodness sakes, if you guys are fans then show us you are fans by linking videos, interviews, info about the game, commenting on the info we have, bring news about the game. Heck, if someone would bring info to this game and keep current news in these forums (as some posters do in other forums), then maybe the flame war would die down. However, for now, I rather see people flame those with questions than link information about the game. My guild forums have more news about this game than these forums! Some people get so offended by our questions and desire for information that they rather attack us than answer the questions/make helpful, constructive comments and its rather frustrating; makes me feel like I should give up on the game rather than consider playing it.
Problem is many are getting tired of posting to the info requested only to be called blind fanbois and that what we linked to is either fake or lies.
I mean go back through the threads, the questions you guys are asking have been answerd, time and time again. When answerd there is almost always the response of "lol pathetic fanboi's believe anything there high priest Tasos says" ...................
But I will tell you what if you are honestly interested in answers, ask your specific questions and I will link to an answer if I can.
Everything from the development to marketing to what we've actually seen of the game hints at a disaster release and/or a half finished product. The posts of disenchanted fanbois will be priceless.
Well so far epic fails as far as responding to my post, just horrible. Like I thought rather than answer, just using the tired and old let me flip on him or worse. Guess noone can answer the quesion, if you aren't going to play the game why do you even care if it will fail? Keep trying, maybe something will come to you.
This is the DF forums and you are free to post anything you want, never said you couldn't I asked the question why do you care? FAIL
Also I obviously could care less if people post dumbass posts, I didn't say people shouldn't I merely asked why. FAIL
Keep em coming, if nothing else they are good for a chuckle or two. Its pretty freaking simple actually.
I mean hell I have heard it all now, from I am on the fence to they flamed us before our games came out. The more serious the question is, the dumber the posts responding to it will be. Come on people, you won't hurt my feelings I promise. I have already stated that I could care less what people think of me personally.
Then shouldn't questions that are being asked and comments being made (similar to my posts in this thread and Enigma's original post be addressed) or at least thought about and not pushed aside via simply name calling?
I mean, for goodness sakes, if you guys are fans then show us you are fans by linking videos, interviews, info about the game, commenting on the info we have, bring news about the game. Heck, if someone would bring info to this game and keep current news in these forums (as some posters do in other forums), then maybe the flame war would die down. However, for now, I rather see people flame those with questions than link information about the game. My guild forums have more news about this game than these forums! Some people get so offended by our questions and desire for information that they rather attack us than answer the questions/make helpful, constructive comments and its rather frustrating; makes me feel like I should give up on the game rather than consider playing it.
When people post negative comments about a game the fans have two options(three if you include not giving a shit). First, they can tell the poster that he has no idea what he is talking about, call him names and say get out of our forums(often fans allude to a game forum as theirs, as if they forget this is mmorpg.com not the actual game forums). The other response is to disprove the negative comments through reason and logic, posting links and other hard evidence is how you accomplish this.
Now you'll notice that the first option is requires no links or factual information. Herein lies the problem that the hardcore DF fans face. There hardly is any information that they can use to prove points so they are forced to use the first option which really doesn't have the same effect/
Everything from the development to marketing to what we've actually seen of the game hints at a disaster release. The whine posts of disenchanted fanbois will be priceless.
That's your opinion.
The marketing has led it to be one of the most discussed MMO's in development, you look in the off topic of almost any forums and you can find a few threads for DarkFall.
The Development time has been 6 years. 2003 - 2009.
What we have actualy seen so far has taken the 50k registerd on the official forums and turned it into 220k+ registerd.
So basicaly what I am saying is my opinion differs from yours.
If Darkfall fails, I'm really truly done with this garbage.
I mean, for goodness sakes, if you guys are fans then show us you are fans by linking videos, interviews, info about the game, commenting on the info we have, bring news about the game. Heck, if someone would bring info to this game and keep current news in these forums (as some posters do in other forums), then maybe the flame war would die down. However, for now, I rather see people flame those with questions than link information about the game. My guild forums have more news about this game than these forums! Some people get so offended by our questions and desire for information that they rather attack us than answer the questions/make helpful, constructive comments and its rather frustrating; makes me feel like I should give up on the game rather than consider playing it.
Hey look, I can cut posts too! OP was a shitty post by anyones standards, but since you asked for discussions and answers, go look pretty much any thread containing new info (news) here in DF sections and you'll see it quickly turn into "lolol vapp0rware uglyomgwtflulz11!1". In short, we've tried.
Then shouldn't questions that are being asked and comments being made (similar to my posts in this thread and Enigma's original post be addressed) or at least thought about and not pushed aside via simply name calling?
I mean, for goodness sakes, if you guys are fans then show us you are fans by linking videos, interviews, info about the game, commenting on the info we have, bring news about the game. Heck, if someone would bring info to this game and keep current news in these forums (as some posters do in other forums), then maybe the flame war would die down. However, for now, I rather see people flame those with questions than link information about the game. My guild forums have more news about this game than these forums! Some people get so offended by our questions and desire for information that they rather attack us than answer the questions/make helpful, constructive comments and its rather frustrating; makes me feel like I should give up on the game rather than consider playing it.
When people post negative comments about a game the fans have two options(three if you include not giving a shit). First, they can tell the poster that he has no idea what he is talking about, call him names and say get out of our forums(often fans allude to a game forum as theirs, as if they forget this is mmorpg.com not the actual game forums). The other response is to disprove the negative comments through reason and logic, posting links and other hard evidence is how you accomplish this.
Now you'll notice that the first option is requires no links or factual information. Herein lies the problem that the hardcore DF fans face. There hardly is any information that they can use to prove points so they are forced to use the first option which really doesn't have the same effect/
The point is people yelled about every other game getting delayed and how its a sign of doom...so why are delays associated with Darkfall different?
Darkfall is the second coming of The Christ. it is allowed to happen when it happens.
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"Luckily I know that while you make nonsnese baiting threads that get locked....threads I make get sticked by the mods on this forum...." -imbant (greatest board warrior EVER) Darkfall Countdown: http://darkfallreleasedate.com/
Everything from the development to marketing to what we've actually seen of the game hints at a disaster release. The whine posts of disenchanted fanbois will be priceless.
That's your opinion.
The marketing has led it to be one of the most discussed MMO's in development, you look in the off topic of almost any forums and you can find a few threads for DarkFall.
The Development time has been 6 years. 2003 - 2009.
What we have actualy seen so far has taken the 50k registerd on the official forums and turned it into 220k+ registerd.
So basicaly what I am saying is my opinion differs from yours.
What you call marketing will come back to bite them. People are expecting the interpetation of the game of the hardcore followers, not what actually will be released. As for the +220k registered, I'm sure the same could've been said for AoC.
You have asked the same thing on almost every thread you get into, if you haven't found the answer yet you will never find it. Noone can tell you anything because none of us have played the game. What DF is doing isnt a new concept, it has been done before and to a great deal of success. I played on Darktide as a member of the Blood Monarchy at its height it was 16,000 plus members, naturally that takes into account a fair number of alts and such. It was basically Blood against the rest of the server, and you ask any old school DT player and they will tell you that Blood was the most hated guild on DT. If I am not mistaken Blood is still going in whatever shape it is now, probably still hated. They didn't kill the one and only FFA server that AC had, in fact some would argue that they only made the game funner. If AC is still around 10 years later I think it is safe to assume that no amount of griefing/ganking/zerging will kill a game. The only way for the game to fail is if the game itself is lacking.
In games today you have 1000 guilds with most having like 2-8 active members, in a FFA you usually find larger guilds with most being active members. You wanna be a RPK then you join a strict PK group, if you wanna fight the PK's then you join an Anti-PK group, if you don't really care one way or the other you find a nice Neutal Group. So you will find a large group of strict PK's but you will also find just as large of groups of Anti-PK, your thinking would only be an issue if everyone else didn't fight back against the large PK group. This is all of course going back to previous games, noone can answer the questions that certain people want because noone knows for sure. Until the game is live everything, and I do mean everything is speculation unless the Devs come out and say this and this will 100% be in the game, and even then ya never know.
On a side not if my post doesn't refer to you by name then its probably not meant to be about you, smartass. I have responded to quite a few of your posts on other threads and they usually say about the same thing, obviously you will never find the right answer as you haven't found it yet. So if you don't think my post relates to you then don't try and flame me with something idiotic. Especially since my post specifically said those that aren't fans and do not intend to play the game. Also never said I was trying to win any fans for this game, but am flattered that you think I have that kind of sway over people.
Hey Grayghost and thanks for the reply. yes, I am genuinely interested in answers and I do have a few basic questions. I have followed Darkfall for a long time and understand the ideas about the game. I have also been around MMO's since EQ so I know my history (except maybe for Ultima).
My major concern is simply two-fold. Yes I know there will be ganking and scamming and people who are out to make life a living hell. Period. heck, they have that in WOW, LOTRO and other games as well. What I curious about is this: Where will the line be drawn to make this an enjoyable game? I will admit I expect the worst because I have seen it before in other games. I have also heard the promises that Darkfall will be different but I have yet to be shown how it will be different. For instance,:
1. Its a huge world. So it will take people longer to find me to kill me. Well it would take any friends longer to find me as well to help out too? How exactly will this be different? Yes I suppose so... don't do stupid things like solo if you don't have to? Sorry, really don't know how to answer this one.
2. No levels/stats when you click on someone. So people will travel in bigger packs to gank others?
Would it be any different if there were levels/stats? I must be having a lousy day, can't really understand these questions...
3. Guilds will form to protect players. For how long? What happens will those guilds dry up?
That's entirely up to you and your friends for how long the guild stays. EVE is a fine example here, corps come and go, but it has never fell into anarchy in 0.0. Shitty guild? Form/join a new one.
4. People only have one character per realm. Not if they have multiple accounts/two-boxing, etc....
Very true, people can/will have multiple accounts, the restriction is there to preserve economy, go against gank alts, and to give those who love crafting and such more chance to succeed in their chosen path (if everyone had craft alts, who would need pro crafters?). It's not 100% sure, but it will cut down these pretty well would imagine. In EVE, it's the norm to have multiple accounts, but that's more because of how their skill system works.
5. So much to do, people will not get bored. Really? Every game says that and everyone gets bored.
Sandbox basicly means that your imagination is the biggest restriction. So if you get bored, try something new. In themeparks, game basicly forces you to do same things that everyone else is doing.
See what I envision is this: some huge PK focused guild gets on a server. They power level themsleves as fast as possible. I am talking a guild of several hundred who make it their goal in life to grief everyone they can. The guild rules the server, people cannot fight back because this guild camps all the starter areas to the point where every character created is killed on sight. This guild has played together and PV P'ed for years so their skill is above anyone elses so the friendly fire isn't an issue. And they do it because they can. I know guilds who would do this and have done this - the guilds that people go "Oh %$@#"; when they realize they rolled on the same server.
So I want to know what will prevent this and I am looking for honest answers from someone who understands this could happen and not intangible answers about ways it will be prevented. See BoB in EVE, they had it all: huge alliance, immense industrial power, even some developers were in their team. Long story short, new alliances were formed against them and they got their asses kicked (been away for several months now, no idea what's happening atm). Point is, the top dog is the perfect target.
My other major issue/questions is: Okay say I wind up on a server where there is a massive PK guild that kills me every other night because I suck at PVP. How easy is it to pick up where I left off? How easy will it be to replace gear and get back to playing? Will I have to go farm money or do I just keep it in a bank? What happens if the guild bank gets shut down? Do I have a personal bank and if so, is it always mine? Solo? Not much you can do, join a guild or move (I just don't see one guild ruling a whole server, just no way) Gear is not all that important (still matters though!) and there are few basic items that you're always born with, so you're never emptyhanded against platemails. Banks are universal when it comes to money, so if you put money in teh bank, it's safe. The golden rule goes: never use what you can't afford to lose.
I guess I am just looking for what a "day in the life of a Darkfall player" looks like. I know thats a lot of info and if you can link me to anything I can read, I would appreciate that as well.
Then shouldn't questions that are being asked and comments being made (similar to my posts in this thread and Enigma's original post be addressed) or at least thought about and not pushed aside via simply name calling?
I mean, for goodness sakes, if you guys are fans then show us you are fans by linking videos, interviews, info about the game, commenting on the info we have, bring news about the game. Heck, if someone would bring info to this game and keep current news in these forums (as some posters do in other forums), then maybe the flame war would die down. However, for now, I rather see people flame those with questions than link information about the game. My guild forums have more news about this game than these forums! Some people get so offended by our questions and desire for information that they rather attack us than answer the questions/make helpful, constructive comments and its rather frustrating; makes me feel like I should give up on the game rather than consider playing it.
When people post negative comments about a game the fans have two options(three if you include not giving a shit). First, they can tell the poster that he has no idea what he is talking about, call him names and say get out of our forums(often fans allude to a game forum as theirs, as if they forget this is mmorpg.com not the actual game forums). The other response is to disprove the negative comments through reason and logic, posting links and other hard evidence is how you accomplish this.
Now you'll notice that the first option is requires no links or factual information. Herein lies the problem that the hardcore DF fans face. There hardly is any information that they can use to prove points so they are forced to use the first option which really doesn't have the same effect/
I have tons of info to pull from. So the statement there is hardly any information to use is a bit off.
I don't understand how you guys can consider things on paper "tons of info". You linked 39 screenshots(39 after 8 years?) and a few videos that were mostly slideshows or sometimes a 19meg file of a mount running in a straight line, he didn't even turn one time. I finally expected to see some real stuff here when I clicked on the 'Key Features" video and it turned out to be a slideshow with screenshots and text with the supposed key features.
The game is releasing in 1 and a half months yet there are hardly videos on the internet at all. Why would I not be skeptical about this? You say the game is worth playing because of the features promised but all I ever see is writing. How does text amount to the best game ever? Any other game has tons of video's out there long before 1 month before it's release. The problem everyone has is that this ton of info is just words, on their site, in their dev journals, and on forums.
Then people say have faith, but this isn't religion here, its a product. With any other type of product people don't start talking about how its the best thing ever when all they see is blueprints and that is all words and even screenshots are. When your on your way to the car dealer to buy a car would you go thinking that because of what you read online it is a damn great product before you even test drive it?
Sure the game isn't out yet so you can tell us not to judge but what about you guys? You guys are always saying we can't judge whether it will be bad or not because there isn't enough information, its not out yet, but you can decide its great and if we say anything we are idiots?
You yourself Grayghost have made statements like DF has better features than MO but on what grounds dude. You obviously haven't played either so what are you basing this on? You make statements like that based on hardly any factual information and yet you tell me I don't know what I am talking about because I complain about the lack of information in regards to Darkfall.
Compared to every other game Darkfall has the least tangible information this close to release so tell me why I'm wrong to complain that there isn't enough information.
@Templarga You have asked the same thing on almost every thread you get into, if you haven't found the answer yet you will never find it. Noone can tell you anything because none of us have played the game. What DF is doing isnt a new concept, it has been done before and to a great deal of success. I played on Darktide as a member of the Blood Monarchy at its height it was 16,000 plus members, naturally that takes into account a fair number of alts and such. It was basically Blood against the rest of the server, and you ask any old school DT player and they will tell you that Blood was the most hated guild on DT. If I am not mistaken Blood is still going in whatever shape it is now, probably still hated. They didn't kill the one and only FFA server that AC had, in fact some would argue that they only made the game funner. If AC is still around 10 years later I think it is safe to assume that no amount of griefing/ganking/zerging will kill a game. The only way for the game to fail is if the game itself is lacking. In games today you have 1000 guilds with most having like 2-8 active members, in a FFA you usually find larger guilds with most being active members. You wanna be a RPK then you join a strict PK group, if you wanna fight the PK's then you join an Anti-PK group, if you don't really care one way or the other you find a nice Neutal Group. So you will find a large group of strict PK's but you will also find just as large of groups of Anti-PK, your thinking would only be an issue if everyone else didn't fight back against the large PK group. This is all of course going back to previous games, noone can answer the questions that certain people want because noone knows for sure. Until the game is live everything, and I do mean everything is speculation unless the Devs come out and say this and this will 100% be in the game, and even then ya never know. On a side not if my post doesn't refer to you by name then its probably not meant to be about you, smartass. I have responded to quite a few of your posts on other threads and they usually say about the same thing, obviously you will never find the right answer as you haven't found it yet. So if you don't think my post relates to you then don't try and flame me with something idiotic. Especially since my post specifically said those that aren't fans and do not intend to play the game. Also never said I was trying to win any fans for this game, but am flattered that you think I have that kind of sway over people.
Blood wasnt hte most hated cause it was the biggest, 2nd runner up was KHAO with 10k+ followers (NPK/friendly guild). I believe after someone aquired blood's account and fubar'd him it became blood tide and they basicaly dropped 70% of their guild and last i checked (year or so back) had about 1k followers. But yes those were the golden years. Especially when they allied with GIMP's.
I believe the original blood/kos guilds are now "the banana bois" and are eagerly awaiting darkfall. I myself loved the times before i joined Blood and was under EXTRA CRISPY cause it was an elite force of 14+ people whome would quest and just go rampant throughout dereth and would be eager to fight anyone, especiallyy bloods and KHAO since they were the majority of the server, but dont get me wrong once most of those guys moved on blood was definately the guild to join.
In any case Darktide ( and AC at that) is the reason im eagerly awaiting darkfall, to get hte same feeling of shakiness when your fighting ina group of more than 15 people trying not to get hit by a spell or even another persons blade is what im dieing to find out and i have faith that Adventurine can pull it off, only time will tell..jan 22nd 2009 will be my MMO judgement day.
Hey Grayghost and thanks for the reply. yes, I am genuinely interested in answers and I do have a few basic questions. I have followed Darkfall for a long time and understand the ideas about the game. I have also been around MMO's since EQ so I know my history (except maybe for Ultima).
My major concern is simply two-fold. Yes I know there will be ganking and scamming and people who are out to make life a living hell. Period. heck, they have that in WOW, LOTRO and other games as well. What I curious about is this: Where will the line be drawn to make this an enjoyable game? I will admit I expect the worst because I have seen it before in other games. I have also heard the promises that Darkfall will be different but I have yet to be shown how it will be different. For instance,:
1. Its a huge world. So it will take people longer to find me to kill me. Well it would take any friends longer to find me as well to help out too? How exactly will this be different?
2. No levels/stats when you click on someone. So people will travel in bigger packs to gank others?
3. Guilds will form to protect players. For how long? What happens will those guilds dry up?
4. People only have one character per realm. Not if they have multiple accounts/two-boxing, etc....
5. So much to do, people will not get bored. Really? Every game says that and everyone gets bored.
See what I envision is this: some huge PK focused guild gets on a server. They power level themsleves as fast as possible. I am talking a guild of several hundred who make it their goal in life to grief everyone they can. The guild rules the server, people cannot fight back because this guild camps all the starter areas to the point where every character created is killed on sight. This guild has played together and PV P'ed for years so their skill is above anyone elses so the friendly fire isn't an issue. And they do it because they can. I know guilds who would do this and have done this - the guilds that people go "Oh %$@#"; when they realize they rolled on the same server.
So I want to know what will prevent this and I am looking for honest answers from someone who understands this could happen and not intangible answers about ways it will be prevented.
My other major issue/questions is: Okay say I wind up on a server where there is a massive PK guild that kills me every other night because I suck at PVP. How easy is it to pick up where I left off? How easy will it be to replace gear and get back to playing? Will I have to go farm money or do I just keep it in a bank? What happens if the guild bank gets shut down? Do I have a personal bank and if so, is it always mine?
I guess I am just looking for what a "day in the life of a Darkfall player" looks like. I know thats a lot of info and if you can link me to anything I can read, I would appreciate that as well.
Thanks.
1. Its a huge world. So it will take people longer to find me to kill me. Well it would take any friends longer to find me as well to help out too? How exactly will this be different?
Well, yes it will. Plus side is with how large the world is, the lack of lock on, the lack of names floating over your head, you can potentially escape.
2. No levels/stats when you click on someone. So people will travel in bigger packs to gank others?
Some will, they will be hunting those of other factions for the most part though. Friendly fire till make Zerg clans less effective though. A small group that can work well together can in theory take out a Zerg.
3. Guilds will form to protect players. For how long? What happens will those guilds dry up?
Well depends on the specific guild/clan. We had guilds do this for years and years. They were specifically made to help new players out.
4. People only have one character per realm. Not if they have multiple accounts/two-boxing, etc....
Yep, you are correct, either have 2 accounts or only get 1 char per server. Not really much they can do about that.
5. So much to do, people will not get bored. Really? Every game says that and everyone gets bored.
Well only thing I can say here is that I played UO for 9-10 years which is similar to DarkFall in many ways. Played AoC 3 months, EQ2 2 months, FFXI on and off 5 years (That was only because I met my wife there lol so had to stick around for a bit) SWG 1 year, and so on. The only one that has ever held my attention is UO. So if DarkFall is as similar to UO as the Devs say then yes I can see this game holding my attention for a long time atleast.
See what I envision is this: some huge PK focused guild gets on a server. They power level themsleves as fast as possible. I am talking a guild of several hundred who make it their goal in life to grief everyone they can. The guild rules the server, people cannot fight back because this guild camps all the starter areas to the point where every character created is killed on sight. This guild has played together and PV P'ed for years so their skill is above anyone elses so the friendly fire isn't an issue. And they do it because they can. I know guilds who would do this and have done this - the guilds that people go "Oh %$@#"; when they realize they rolled on the same server.
Lets hope so, we had this happen in UO, 2 Large PK guilds merged together in a bid for power. In response an alliance was formed against them. It was basically half the server vs the other half. With the community response the PK alliance found it best to split back up lol.
So I want to know what will prevent this and I am looking for honest answers from someone who understands this could happen and not intangible answers about ways it will be prevented.
Nothing will prevent it. Why would you want to anyways? This is part of why so many love sandbox's. In a themepark the whole game revolves around static quests. In a sandbox the whole game revolves around an ever changing world. The type of guild you described above in a way adds content. You now have an evil enemy to kill or side with. NPC's never give you this kind of content.
My other major issue/questions is: Okay say I wind up on a server where there is a massive PK guild that kills me every other night because I suck at PVP. How easy is it to pick up where I left off? How easy will it be to replace gear and get back to playing? Will I have to go farm money or do I just keep it in a bank? What happens if the guild bank gets shut down? Do I have a personal bank and if so, is it always mine?
If your clan city is sieged and taken then yeah clan bank can be looted. You do have a bank box at the bank though. And yes it is yours, you do keep it and no it isn't lootable. How fast is it to pick up where you left off? Well the Devs claim 3 freshly made chars can take out a 1 year+ Char if they have the skill.
Now the above is all just my personal opinion.
Now to links in regard to a day in the life of DarkFall.
Everything from the development to marketing to what we've actually seen of the game hints at a disaster release. The whine posts of disenchanted fanbois will be priceless.
That's your opinion.
The marketing has led it to be one of the most discussed MMO's in development, you look in the off topic of almost any forums and you can find a few threads for DarkFall.
The Development time has been 6 years. 2003 - 2009.
What we have actualy seen so far has taken the 50k registerd on the official forums and turned it into 220k+ registerd.
So basicaly what I am saying is my opinion differs from yours.
What you call marketing will come back to bite them. People are expecting the interpetation of the game of the hardcore followers, not what actually will be released. As for the +220k registered, I'm sure the same could've been said for AoC.
Ahhhh, I guess you would know what I and others are expecting more than we do lol.
Point of my posts was you seem to try and imply that the fact is that everything seems to point to dissaster when so far the opposite seems to be true.
It may come back to bite them on the arse but the fact is your post is still nothing more than your opinion.
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Orly? Cause that seems to be the only point you have in your long, boring whine.
FYI, taking account that it's a small indie developer and the scope of their project, I would say they're right on schedule.
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yeah...i can also link you about 12 other false dates they gave too. Besides, my thread wasnt about them lying about it coming out (you should read it. I was talking about how no one really cares about it anymore due to the length of time.
Okay, you're just full of shit.
Honestly I only read the first half dozen posts or so, most of the posts just seem to rehash what was already said before. Going back and forth that it won't release or that it will suck etc.
For all the naysayers I would just like to know, why do you even care? If you don't like the game or don't even plan on playing it, why do you even care about what happens to the game? Seems like everyday there is a new it will fail or won't ever release thread. Whats the point already? We get it, you don't like the game and aren't wasting your money on it, kudo's to you. Who the hell cares when or if it will release, if it comes out it comes out if it doesn't it doesn't. None of use here have any vested financial interest in the game so why do we even care?
Just wait until the game comes out and then judge it based on that. Kind of sad to see people that are so bored that they have to try and discuss a topic that they basically have no interest in. Rather than bash a game you aren't going to play why don't you hop over to the forums for the game you are playing and discuss something pertinent there. Every person that comes here to bash a game they aren't even remotely planning on playing comes off looking like an idiot.
So with that said, lets see all the intelligent flames that ya'll will try to produce. I know some of you will have half-way intelligent remarks, but sadly most will make themselves look dumber. Hmmm thinking it won't be easy defending yourself against the sane logic of why do you even care if the game will fail if you aren't a fan and won't be spending money on it.
The question is, why do you care that they care enough to make random posts about irrelevant things(in your opinion) so much that you make a random post complaining about random posts? How does that even make any sense to you?
Anyway, for the record if people didn't come in the Darkfall forums and discuss the eternal release or not releasing debate what else would there be to talk about? The 9 screenshots and 2 videos get old after awhile. The majority of people that post here are probably are bored at work like me and at least their posts are funny.
If you don't find these type of topics enlightening or funny in any way then by your own logic you should just ignore them since they are irrelevant to you. As you said, you're going to play the game when it releases and judge then, but you care if random Joe 86769 thinks it won't? People on both sides need to get high or laid and realize how funny the posters on mmorpg are sometimes. In the end its all just words, so who really cares?
Actually, I think some of us do care about the game and want to see it succeed. Just read my posts. I am not trying to bash the game at all. Read a few posts back to see why I care and why I think it is important. And I believe many people are using logic and reasoning to make points about the game itself.
If I am not mistaken this is the Darkfall forum, and there is no rule that everyone who posts here must want to play the game. Some of us are seeking answers to questions that we have and are valid questions. However, we get the same answers: our opinions don't matter, we are stupid, we look dumb, we shouldn't be allowed to comment because we are not playing, etc....
The facts are the facts and its clearly evident that people do not want to discuss the facts with those of us who fall on the not-sure-we-want-to-play side of the fence. And my suggestion is to try and provide us with good answers to our questions and concerns and not tell us we are dumb and to get the heck out.
What is there to talk about? That the development has taken a long time? That Aventurine has missed dates? That Darkfall might be shit? That DF might still be Vaporwear?
You people really think that fans don't know all this? I've followed this supposed game for eons now, not because I have blind faith in it, but because of all this bullshit you see on the left and Darkfall being the one chance to show game developers that not everything has to be a mind-numbing grind. If Darkfall fails, I'm really truly done with this garbage.
Actually, I think some of us do care about the game and want to see it succeed. Just read my posts. I am not trying to bash the game at all. Read a few posts back to see why I care and why I think it is important. And I believe many people are using logic and reasoning to make points about the game itself.
If I am not mistaken this is the Darkfall forum, and there is no rule that everyone who posts here must want to play the game. Some of us are seeking answers to questions that we have and are valid questions. However, we get the same answers: our opinions don't matter, we are stupid, we look dumb, we shouldn't be allowed to comment because we are not playing, etc....
The facts are the facts and its clearly evident that people do not want to discuss the facts with those of us who fall on the not-sure-we-want-to-play side of the fence. And my suggestion is to try and provide us with good answers to our questions and concerns and not tell us we are dumb and to get the heck out.
If Darkfall fails, I'm really truly done with this garbage.
Then shouldn't questions that are being asked and comments being made (similar to my posts in this thread and Enigma's original post be addressed) or at least thought about and not pushed aside via simply name calling?
I mean, for goodness sakes, if you guys are fans then show us you are fans by linking videos, interviews, info about the game, commenting on the info we have, bring news about the game. Heck, if someone would bring info to this game and keep current news in these forums (as some posters do in other forums), then maybe the flame war would die down. However, for now, I rather see people flame those with questions than link information about the game. My guild forums have more news about this game than these forums! Some people get so offended by our questions and desire for information that they rather attack us than answer the questions/make helpful, constructive comments and its rather frustrating; makes me feel like I should give up on the game rather than consider playing it.
Problem is many are getting tired of posting to the info requested only to be called blind fanbois and that what we linked to is either fake or lies.
I mean go back through the threads, the questions you guys are asking have been answerd, time and time again. When answerd there is almost always the response of "lol pathetic fanboi's believe anything there high priest Tasos says" ...................
But I will tell you what if you are honestly interested in answers, ask your specific questions and I will link to an answer if I can.
Everything from the development to marketing to what we've actually seen of the game hints at a disaster release and/or a half finished product. The posts of disenchanted fanbois will be priceless.
Well so far epic fails as far as responding to my post, just horrible. Like I thought rather than answer, just using the tired and old let me flip on him or worse. Guess noone can answer the quesion, if you aren't going to play the game why do you even care if it will fail? Keep trying, maybe something will come to you.
This is the DF forums and you are free to post anything you want, never said you couldn't I asked the question why do you care? FAIL
Also I obviously could care less if people post dumbass posts, I didn't say people shouldn't I merely asked why. FAIL
Keep em coming, if nothing else they are good for a chuckle or two. Its pretty freaking simple actually.
I mean hell I have heard it all now, from I am on the fence to they flamed us before our games came out. The more serious the question is, the dumber the posts responding to it will be. Come on people, you won't hurt my feelings I promise. I have already stated that I could care less what people think of me personally.
When people post negative comments about a game the fans have two options(three if you include not giving a shit). First, they can tell the poster that he has no idea what he is talking about, call him names and say get out of our forums(often fans allude to a game forum as theirs, as if they forget this is mmorpg.com not the actual game forums). The other response is to disprove the negative comments through reason and logic, posting links and other hard evidence is how you accomplish this.
Now you'll notice that the first option is requires no links or factual information. Herein lies the problem that the hardcore DF fans face. There hardly is any information that they can use to prove points so they are forced to use the first option which really doesn't have the same effect/
That's your opinion.
The marketing has led it to be one of the most discussed MMO's in development, you look in the off topic of almost any forums and you can find a few threads for DarkFall.
The Development time has been 6 years. 2003 - 2009.
What we have actualy seen so far has taken the 50k registerd on the official forums and turned it into 220k+ registerd.
So basicaly what I am saying is my opinion differs from yours.
I mean, for goodness sakes, if you guys are fans then show us you are fans by linking videos, interviews, info about the game, commenting on the info we have, bring news about the game. Heck, if someone would bring info to this game and keep current news in these forums (as some posters do in other forums), then maybe the flame war would die down. However, for now, I rather see people flame those with questions than link information about the game. My guild forums have more news about this game than these forums! Some people get so offended by our questions and desire for information that they rather attack us than answer the questions/make helpful, constructive comments and its rather frustrating; makes me feel like I should give up on the game rather than consider playing it.
Hey look, I can cut posts too! OP was a shitty post by anyones standards, but since you asked for discussions and answers, go look pretty much any thread containing new info (news) here in DF sections and you'll see it quickly turn into "lolol vapp0rware uglyomgwtflulz11!1". In short, we've tried.
When people post negative comments about a game the fans have two options(three if you include not giving a shit). First, they can tell the poster that he has no idea what he is talking about, call him names and say get out of our forums(often fans allude to a game forum as theirs, as if they forget this is mmorpg.com not the actual game forums). The other response is to disprove the negative comments through reason and logic, posting links and other hard evidence is how you accomplish this.
Now you'll notice that the first option is requires no links or factual information. Herein lies the problem that the hardcore DF fans face. There hardly is any information that they can use to prove points so they are forced to use the first option which really doesn't have the same effect/
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/169533/page/2
I have tons of info to pull from. So the statement there is hardly any information to use is a bit off.
Darkfall is the second coming of The Christ. it is allowed to happen when it happens.
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Darkfall is the second coming of The Christ. it is allowed to happen when it happens.
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It may have been a little funny the first time you said that superd...but the last 100 times or so have not made anyone laugh. just an fyi.
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That's your opinion.
The marketing has led it to be one of the most discussed MMO's in development, you look in the off topic of almost any forums and you can find a few threads for DarkFall.
The Development time has been 6 years. 2003 - 2009.
What we have actualy seen so far has taken the 50k registerd on the official forums and turned it into 220k+ registerd.
So basicaly what I am saying is my opinion differs from yours.
What you call marketing will come back to bite them. People are expecting the interpetation of the game of the hardcore followers, not what actually will be released. As for the +220k registered, I'm sure the same could've been said for AoC.
greatness takes a long time to achieve.
@Templarga
You have asked the same thing on almost every thread you get into, if you haven't found the answer yet you will never find it. Noone can tell you anything because none of us have played the game. What DF is doing isnt a new concept, it has been done before and to a great deal of success. I played on Darktide as a member of the Blood Monarchy at its height it was 16,000 plus members, naturally that takes into account a fair number of alts and such. It was basically Blood against the rest of the server, and you ask any old school DT player and they will tell you that Blood was the most hated guild on DT. If I am not mistaken Blood is still going in whatever shape it is now, probably still hated. They didn't kill the one and only FFA server that AC had, in fact some would argue that they only made the game funner. If AC is still around 10 years later I think it is safe to assume that no amount of griefing/ganking/zerging will kill a game. The only way for the game to fail is if the game itself is lacking.
In games today you have 1000 guilds with most having like 2-8 active members, in a FFA you usually find larger guilds with most being active members. You wanna be a RPK then you join a strict PK group, if you wanna fight the PK's then you join an Anti-PK group, if you don't really care one way or the other you find a nice Neutal Group. So you will find a large group of strict PK's but you will also find just as large of groups of Anti-PK, your thinking would only be an issue if everyone else didn't fight back against the large PK group. This is all of course going back to previous games, noone can answer the questions that certain people want because noone knows for sure. Until the game is live everything, and I do mean everything is speculation unless the Devs come out and say this and this will 100% be in the game, and even then ya never know.
On a side not if my post doesn't refer to you by name then its probably not meant to be about you, smartass. I have responded to quite a few of your posts on other threads and they usually say about the same thing, obviously you will never find the right answer as you haven't found it yet. So if you don't think my post relates to you then don't try and flame me with something idiotic. Especially since my post specifically said those that aren't fans and do not intend to play the game. Also never said I was trying to win any fans for this game, but am flattered that you think I have that kind of sway over people.
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When people post negative comments about a game the fans have two options(three if you include not giving a shit). First, they can tell the poster that he has no idea what he is talking about, call him names and say get out of our forums(often fans allude to a game forum as theirs, as if they forget this is mmorpg.com not the actual game forums). The other response is to disprove the negative comments through reason and logic, posting links and other hard evidence is how you accomplish this.
Now you'll notice that the first option is requires no links or factual information. Herein lies the problem that the hardcore DF fans face. There hardly is any information that they can use to prove points so they are forced to use the first option which really doesn't have the same effect/
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/169533/page/2
I have tons of info to pull from. So the statement there is hardly any information to use is a bit off.
I don't understand how you guys can consider things on paper "tons of info". You linked 39 screenshots(39 after 8 years?) and a few videos that were mostly slideshows or sometimes a 19meg file of a mount running in a straight line, he didn't even turn one time. I finally expected to see some real stuff here when I clicked on the 'Key Features" video and it turned out to be a slideshow with screenshots and text with the supposed key features.
The game is releasing in 1 and a half months yet there are hardly videos on the internet at all. Why would I not be skeptical about this? You say the game is worth playing because of the features promised but all I ever see is writing. How does text amount to the best game ever? Any other game has tons of video's out there long before 1 month before it's release. The problem everyone has is that this ton of info is just words, on their site, in their dev journals, and on forums.
Then people say have faith, but this isn't religion here, its a product. With any other type of product people don't start talking about how its the best thing ever when all they see is blueprints and that is all words and even screenshots are. When your on your way to the car dealer to buy a car would you go thinking that because of what you read online it is a damn great product before you even test drive it?
Sure the game isn't out yet so you can tell us not to judge but what about you guys? You guys are always saying we can't judge whether it will be bad or not because there isn't enough information, its not out yet, but you can decide its great and if we say anything we are idiots?
You yourself Grayghost have made statements like DF has better features than MO but on what grounds dude. You obviously haven't played either so what are you basing this on? You make statements like that based on hardly any factual information and yet you tell me I don't know what I am talking about because I complain about the lack of information in regards to Darkfall.
Compared to every other game Darkfall has the least tangible information this close to release so tell me why I'm wrong to complain that there isn't enough information.
Blood wasnt hte most hated cause it was the biggest, 2nd runner up was KHAO with 10k+ followers (NPK/friendly guild). I believe after someone aquired blood's account and fubar'd him it became blood tide and they basicaly dropped 70% of their guild and last i checked (year or so back) had about 1k followers. But yes those were the golden years. Especially when they allied with GIMP's.
I believe the original blood/kos guilds are now "the banana bois" and are eagerly awaiting darkfall. I myself loved the times before i joined Blood and was under EXTRA CRISPY cause it was an elite force of 14+ people whome would quest and just go rampant throughout dereth and would be eager to fight anyone, especiallyy bloods and KHAO since they were the majority of the server, but dont get me wrong once most of those guys moved on blood was definately the guild to join.
In any case Darktide ( and AC at that) is the reason im eagerly awaiting darkfall, to get hte same feeling of shakiness when your fighting ina group of more than 15 people trying not to get hit by a spell or even another persons blade is what im dieing to find out and i have faith that Adventurine can pull it off, only time will tell..jan 22nd 2009 will be my MMO judgement day.
1. Its a huge world. So it will take people longer to find me to kill me. Well it would take any friends longer to find me as well to help out too? How exactly will this be different?
Well, yes it will. Plus side is with how large the world is, the lack of lock on, the lack of names floating over your head, you can potentially escape.
2. No levels/stats when you click on someone. So people will travel in bigger packs to gank others?
Some will, they will be hunting those of other factions for the most part though. Friendly fire till make Zerg clans less effective though. A small group that can work well together can in theory take out a Zerg.
3. Guilds will form to protect players. For how long? What happens will those guilds dry up?
Well depends on the specific guild/clan. We had guilds do this for years and years. They were specifically made to help new players out.
4. People only have one character per realm. Not if they have multiple accounts/two-boxing, etc....
Yep, you are correct, either have 2 accounts or only get 1 char per server. Not really much they can do about that.
5. So much to do, people will not get bored. Really? Every game says that and everyone gets bored.
Well only thing I can say here is that I played UO for 9-10 years which is similar to DarkFall in many ways. Played AoC 3 months, EQ2 2 months, FFXI on and off 5 years (That was only because I met my wife there lol so had to stick around for a bit) SWG 1 year, and so on. The only one that has ever held my attention is UO. So if DarkFall is as similar to UO as the Devs say then yes I can see this game holding my attention for a long time atleast.
See what I envision is this: some huge PK focused guild gets on a server. They power level themsleves as fast as possible. I am talking a guild of several hundred who make it their goal in life to grief everyone they can. The guild rules the server, people cannot fight back because this guild camps all the starter areas to the point where every character created is killed on sight. This guild has played together and PV P'ed for years so their skill is above anyone elses so the friendly fire isn't an issue. And they do it because they can. I know guilds who would do this and have done this - the guilds that people go "Oh %$@#"; when they realize they rolled on the same server.
Lets hope so, we had this happen in UO, 2 Large PK guilds merged together in a bid for power. In response an alliance was formed against them. It was basically half the server vs the other half. With the community response the PK alliance found it best to split back up lol.
So I want to know what will prevent this and I am looking for honest answers from someone who understands this could happen and not intangible answers about ways it will be prevented.
Nothing will prevent it. Why would you want to anyways? This is part of why so many love sandbox's. In a themepark the whole game revolves around static quests. In a sandbox the whole game revolves around an ever changing world. The type of guild you described above in a way adds content. You now have an evil enemy to kill or side with. NPC's never give you this kind of content.
My other major issue/questions is: Okay say I wind up on a server where there is a massive PK guild that kills me every other night because I suck at PVP.
How easy is it to pick up where I left off? How easy will it be to replace gear and get back to playing? Will I have to go farm money or do I just keep it in a bank? What happens if the guild bank gets shut down? Do I have a personal bank and if so, is it always mine?
If your clan city is sieged and taken then yeah clan bank can be looted. You do have a bank box at the bank though. And yes it is yours, you do keep it and no it isn't lootable. How fast is it to pick up where you left off? Well the Devs claim 3 freshly made chars can take out a 1 year+ Char if they have the skill.
Now the above is all just my personal opinion.
Now to links in regard to a day in the life of DarkFall.
http://www.warcry.com/news/view/85297-Darkfall-Yellowbeard-Visits-Aventurine <-- Yellow Beard.
http://www.lordsofdeath.com/www/?p=10 <-- Asp's Visit
http://www.mmorpgitalia.it/forum/2620242-post3.html <--- MMORPG Italia review
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=85880 <---- The Noob Review
More Info can be found in the Dev Journals.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/169533/page/2
The link above has a post where I link Dev Journal 16 on up. Should find a ton of info there.
In the end most of what you want you wont find until after launch or the NDA is lifted.
That's your opinion.
The marketing has led it to be one of the most discussed MMO's in development, you look in the off topic of almost any forums and you can find a few threads for DarkFall.
The Development time has been 6 years. 2003 - 2009.
What we have actualy seen so far has taken the 50k registerd on the official forums and turned it into 220k+ registerd.
So basicaly what I am saying is my opinion differs from yours.
What you call marketing will come back to bite them. People are expecting the interpetation of the game of the hardcore followers, not what actually will be released. As for the +220k registered, I'm sure the same could've been said for AoC.
Ahhhh, I guess you would know what I and others are expecting more than we do lol.
Point of my posts was you seem to try and imply that the fact is that everything seems to point to dissaster when so far the opposite seems to be true.
It may come back to bite them on the arse but the fact is your post is still nothing more than your opinion.