I was just questioning the logic of not doing pre-orders from the standpoint of missing out on that initial capital that might be needed up front to better support the game after it goes live.
Dismissing traditional marketing methods off-handedly by stating you're in it for the "long-haul" and our game will thrive based on "word-of-mouth" seems a bit naive and arrogant given the lack of information Averntine is sharing about their game. It is a concern that they might be over-estimating things, but again, if it works then we will all be calling them genuises later.
Didn't took long LOL So according to the "critics" taking pre-orders = scam no pre-orders = scam ______________________________ pre orders = no pre orders
Err....what?
You really confuse me sometimes. I commented on Aventurine's marketing strategy. Nowhere did I use the word "scam" in my entire post.
But whatever. I'm back out of these silly discussions.
Was just thinking i general directions not particulary as reply to your post...
You just stated DF Marketing is "lacking" or "inferior" and has given examples to why..you didn't took the next step and expressed Aventurine's motivation for these (namely scam).
Others are more clear in this thread but i bet these are you thoughts about too.
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There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers.
If there is NO Open Beta for Darkfall, then that would obviously mean there's many aspects of the game that are NOT FINISHED!!!
I understand what the devs are trying to pull. The game probably still needs a ton of work and is probably in the same boat Dark and Light was in when that crappola game was released! Choosing not to have an open beta means the creators want as many anxious people as possible to purchase the game to make as much profit as possible.. Then these same people will see how broken and incomplete the game really is.
I predict Darkfall will be just as bad as Dark and Light. Now, if by some miracle I'm wrong and DF is actually a huge success, then and only then will I check it out.
Here's some advice. Those of you who cant wait to play the game, do your best to wait at least another week or two after the game is released before purchasing it. If the reviews and word of mouth is mostly positive, then go ahead and check it out.
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I was just questioning the logic of not doing pre-orders from the standpoint of missing out on that initial capital that might be needed up front to better support the game after it goes live. Dismissing traditional marketing methods off-handedly by stating you're in it for the "long-haul" and our game will thrive based on "word-of-mouth" seems a bit naive and arrogant given the lack of information Averntine is sharing about their game. It is a concern that they might be over-estimating things, but again, if it works then we will all be calling them genuises later.
You maybe missed the amount of DnL and Mourning screamers on these board .
The acceptance of pre-orders within the community is very low ..
Same people who cry now "oh no pre order" will cry "what a scam !" in case pre orders get announced.
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"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I was looking around for more info and saw a wiki page on Aventurine SA saying they had 21 employees... Is that accurate? For a game of this scope you would expect a lot more... I mean most people say vanguard is dead and hasn't got enough devs to develop any content and they have around12-15 known devs from the forums and an unknown number of other people, ie artists, directors,etc so i'd guess that even vanguard has more people behind it then 21. If this is true how is Aventurine gonna pull off a game of this magnitude??! Did they use another engine or something?? I read elsewhere that the game is based on a quake engine and uses some other things from quake like mob AI and stuff. Any truth to any of that or does anyone actually know?
Nobody knows anything about the NDA for the same reason nobody knows anything for sure about this supposed game.
Aventurine is shady at best, and masters of double-talk, empty implications, and excuses. From what I can see over time, Tasos' actual career consists of pointing out that he didn't actually promise something that he either promised or implied strongly.
It's clear from the state of these forums that Aventurine's supporters have dwindled to a few rather - let's be frank here - intellectually uninspiring individuals. They engage in magical, thoroughly uncritical thinking and argue with the reckless fallacy-flinging of your average eleven year old. They've developed an adolescent loyalty to the concept of Darkfall, have found a "team," and fly into hysterics at those who point out the myriad problems with Aventurine/DF.
This game is supposed to launch in 40 days and it's still in Friends and Family Alpha. The idiot blind faithful will tell you it's actually beta, and they have "professional testers" and a lot of other garbage that doesn't pass the laugh test of the average MMO player over the age of (again) about eleven years old.
If this game is released in January it will be a complete and utter disaster. You cannot test an MMO without thousands of players, and only the select few geniuses you see defending DF here think otherwise.
Nobody knows anything about the NDA for the same reason nobody knows anything for sure about this supposed game.
Aventurine is shady at best, and masters of double-talk, empty implications, and excuses. From what I can see over time, Tasos' actual career consists of pointing out that he didn't actually promise something that he either promised or implied strongly.
It's clear from the state of these forums that Aventurine's supporters have dwindled to a few rather - let's be frank here - intellectually uninspiring individuals. They engage in magical, thoroughly uncritical thinking and argue with the reckless fallacy-flinging of your average eleven year old. They've developed an adolescent loyalty to the concept of Darkfall, have found a "team," and fly into hysterics at those who point out the myriad problems with Aventurine/DF.
This game is supposed to launch in 40 days and it's still in Friends and Family Alpha. The idiot blind faithful will tell you it's actually beta, and they have "professional testers" and a lot of other garbage that doesn't pass the laugh test of the average MMO player over the age of (again) about eleven years old.
If this game is released in January it will be a complete and utter disaster. You cannot test an MMO without thousands of players, and only the select few geniuses you see defending DF here think otherwise.
Originally posted by oakthornn If there is NO Open Beta for Darkfall, then that would obviously mean there's many aspects of the game that are NOT FINISHED!!! I understand what the devs are trying to pull. The game probably still needs a ton of work and is probably in the same boat Dark and Light was in when that crappola game was released! Choosing not to have an open beta means the creators want as many anxious people as possible to purchase the game to make as much profit as possible.. Then these same people will see how broken and incomplete the game really is.
I predict Darkfall will be just as bad as Dark and Light. Now, if by some miracle I'm wrong and DF is actually a huge success, then and only then will I check it out.
Here's some advice. Those of you who cant wait to play the game, do your best to wait at least another week or two after the game is released before purchasing it. If the reviews and word of mouth is mostly positive, then go ahead and check it out.
A sound advice for any MMORPG these days. It has become a norm for most MMORPGs to release unfinished, bugged games and then finance the final stages of the game with paying "beta testers". This is most likely that Adventurine will do as well. That is why they are so strict about previews, because they dont want to let it be generally known what state the game is in.
This game has DnL written all over it... it even has the same type of rabid fans blindly defending it based on what the devs tell them. Hey newsflash for you guys, just because the devs tell it doesnt make it so. They have an invested interest in this game so naturally what they saw will be biased and skewed, what we need is an independent source giving this game a fair (p)review and before that is done then everyone should be skeptical about this game, well any MMORPG, but this one in particular because if the history of the development and peculiarities that are going on.
For example I have both been in closed betas and knew people who have been in closed betas and this is the first time I heard that you are even forbidden to say that you are in closed beta. Hey, ofcourse you cant say anything about closed beta, but not to even be able to admit that you are in it? And this 1 month before a supposed release? Come on...
There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers.
So confident in fact that theyve utilized AI to test along side actual people.
Fixed it for ya, I know you like to be accurate with your posts lol.
let me further fix it for you.
So confident in fact that theyve utilized Ai alongside a small group of family and friends, even though they couldnt properly stress test the game doing it that way.
There you go hoss. fixed.
Ill do the final fix.
They have utlized AI alongside a small group of friends and family and a number of outside testers... there
There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers.
So confident in fact that theyve utilized AI to test along side actual people.
Fixed it for ya, I know you like to be accurate with your posts lol.
let me further fix it for you.
So confident in fact that theyve utilized Ai alongside a small group of family and friends as well as Prof. Tester and hundreds of beta testers, even though they couldnt properly stress test the game doing it that way. Until Open beta which is where most MMO's do there stress test.
There you go hoss. fixed.
Ill do the final fix.
They have utlized AI alongside a small group of friends and family and a number of outside testers... there
The developers seem to have all of the confidence in the world, yet are stingy with any sort of details. After being hosed twice by two developers who were more open than this; why should the public be so trusting to this company nobody has ever even heard of? Because they said so? Because they're really really confident?
Mark Jacobs and his friendly chaps were all really confident too, and look how GOOD the WAGGHHH is.
The developers seem to have all of the confidence in the world, yet are stingy with any sort of details. After being hosed twice by two developers who were more open than this; why should the public be so trusting to this company nobody has ever even heard of? Because they said so? Because they're really really confident?
Mark Jacobs and his friendly chaps were all really confident too, and look how GOOD the WAGGHHH is.
Your concerns definetely have merit. I have faith but I was there for the DnL mess and many other mmo's too so I know to be very skepitical at the same time
yes they utilized AI for testing but yall conveniently forget they've been using PAYED TESTERS for over a year. They don't really plan to find any game breaking bugs during the betas. The closed beta is for hardware config check and the open beta will be for stress tests.
yes they utilized AI for testing but yall conveniently forget they've been using PAYED TESTERS for over a year. They don't really plan to find any game breaking bugs during the betas. The closed beta is for hardware config check and the open beta will be for stress tests.
There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers.
So confident that they're scared shitless of anyone outside their group of hangers on getting their hands on it off-site.
There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers.
This statement is so wrong its funny. If they go by this then you are going to see a cluster FU when a few thousand people logging on. Unnecessary my azzzz.
Confidence is a open and straight forward with the gamers with no NDA.
You made it so let it speak for its self to an open public, hiding it will not make it any better or worse.
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There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers.
So confident that they're scared shitless of anyone outside their group of hangers on getting their hands on it off-site.
wrong tons of people from the forums that dont know who the devs are are in
There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers.
So confident that they're scared shitless of anyone outside their group of hangers on getting their hands on it off-site.
wrong tons of people from the forums that dont know who the devs are are in
IT's been happening for a while. Fanboys take what the devs say and turn them into fact. The take would liek to have a trial to WILL have a trial. And Whenever the company promises don't materialize, they deflect.
There haven't been stated they there will not be any free trials either. Hope or not. There have been no mention of preorders. That means they are not out to scam you for your money, what other reason could it be that there is something "fishy" is goin on with DF and Aventurine ?
If they have no trial, it's the same as having pre-orders. Making you pay to find out the game is shit.
You really think even half of the "fanbois", much less anyone else, is going to put even $1 into Aventurines pocket without seeing the game first? Sorry, ain't gonna happen.
The bright side is, if it is some kind of scam or just a really shit game, only a handful of people will lose anything if forced to buy before try.
I have to laugh at your "no trial is the same as pre order". I never realized that every game on the market is pre-order then. CRAZY!!
Hey, I've got plenty of money to waist. Doesn't bother me to lose a few bucks if it ends up sucking.
Most try to find humor when they fail to grasp the point. So let me make it clearer and spell it out for you:
Pre-order = "Hi, give us your money for our game sight unseen and hope you like what you paid for."
Release with no open-beta or trial: "Hi, give us your money for our game sight unseen and hope you like what you paid for."
So yes, same thing.
And after AoCs' famous "Can't go past level 13 in the "open beta", Aventurine had better think before trying to pull that one. If they're reluctant to let you see the game past a few early levels ( you know, past the goblin areas which seem to be the only areas shown to everyone who rights a "review" ), then there's a reason why.
They've got 40 days left to have an open beta ( open to everyone, not a select few ) and get the game out. That means they have less than 40 days to convince enough people to buy the game at release. And sorry, there ain't enough diehard fanbois to foot that bill.
It's funny how all these failgamers from the war and aoc boards suddenly know so much about how to make a good game. They must have had some kind relevation, shame they didn't have it a few months earlier.
You think noone eventually will say, a person just like you, the difference being they've added Darkfall to the list. For every time there is people mentioning a game as the next revelation it'll be a dissapointment. My game > then your game, all over again.
"It's funny how all these failgamers from the war, aoc and darkfall boards suddenly know so much about how to make a good game. They must have had some kind relevation, shame they didn't have it a few months earlier."
I'd settle for some previews from CGM, IGN, Games Radar, Gamers Hell etc. The only thing i have been able to find that is even semi legit was the Italian MMORPG site preview and that was done in their office in a very controlled environment. Nope for a game that is supposedly releasing in a few weeks there are entirely too many BS flags up the flagpole.
There is no way I would pay for this pig in a poke and that is assuming they can come up with a last minute way for N Americans to purchase.
There is a good chance there won't be an open beta. They are confident that they have fully tested the game and that open beta is unecessary. The only reason that there is the closed beta in the first place is to test different hardware specs utilized by gamers.
So confident that they're scared shitless of anyone outside their group of hangers on getting their hands on it off-site.
wrong tons of people from the forums that dont know who the devs are are in
I'd settle for some previews from CGM, IGN, Games Radar, Gamers Hell etc. The only thing i have been able to find that is even semi legit was the Italian MMORPG site preview and that was done in their office in a very controlled environment. Nope for a game that is supposedly releasing in a few weeks there are entirely too many BS flags up the flagpole. There is no way I would pay for this pig in a poke and that is assuming they can come up with a last minute way for N Americans to purchase.
IT's been happening for a while. Fanboys take what the devs say and turn them into fact. The take would liek to have a trial to WILL have a trial. And Whenever the company promises don't materialize, they deflect.
There haven't been stated they there will not be any free trials either. Hope or not. There have been no mention of preorders. That means they are not out to scam you for your money, what other reason could it be that there is something "fishy" is goin on with DF and Aventurine ?
If they have no trial, it's the same as having pre-orders. Making you pay to find out the game is shit.
You really think even half of the "fanbois", much less anyone else, is going to put even $1 into Aventurines pocket without seeing the game first? Sorry, ain't gonna happen.
The bright side is, if it is some kind of scam or just a really shit game, only a handful of people will lose anything if forced to buy before try.
I have to laugh at your "no trial is the same as pre order". I never realized that every game on the market is pre-order then. CRAZY!!
Hey, I've got plenty of money to waist. Doesn't bother me to lose a few bucks if it ends up sucking.
Most try to find humor when they fail to grasp the point. So let me make it clearer and spell it out for you:
Pre-order = "Hi, give us your money for our game sight unseen and hope you like what you paid for."
Release with no open-beta or trial: "Hi, give us your money for our game sight unseen and hope you like what you paid for."
So yes, same thing.
And after AoCs' famous "Can't go past level 13 in the "open beta", Aventurine had better think before trying to pull that one. If they're reluctant to let you see the game past a few early levels ( you know, past the goblin areas which seem to be the only areas shown to everyone who rights a "review" ), then there's a reason why.
They've got 40 days left to have an open beta ( open to everyone, not a select few ) and get the game out. That means they have less than 40 days to convince enough people to buy the game at release. And sorry, there ain't enough diehard fanbois to foot that bill.
look at forum regerstrations enough said granted it doesnt = what subs will be but theres goign to be a public beta anyways
o yea we seen orcs too so not goblin areas only HA wrong again
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I was just questioning the logic of not doing pre-orders from the standpoint of missing out on that initial capital that might be needed up front to better support the game after it goes live.
Dismissing traditional marketing methods off-handedly by stating you're in it for the "long-haul" and our game will thrive based on "word-of-mouth" seems a bit naive and arrogant given the lack of information Averntine is sharing about their game. It is a concern that they might be over-estimating things, but again, if it works then we will all be calling them genuises later.
Err....what?
You really confuse me sometimes. I commented on Aventurine's marketing strategy. Nowhere did I use the word "scam" in my entire post.
But whatever. I'm back out of these silly discussions.
Was just thinking i general directions not particulary as reply to your post...
You just stated DF Marketing is "lacking" or "inferior" and has given examples to why..you didn't took the next step and expressed Aventurine's motivation for these (namely scam).
Others are more clear in this thread but i bet these are you thoughts about too.
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
If there is NO Open Beta for Darkfall, then that would obviously mean there's many aspects of the game that are NOT FINISHED!!!
I understand what the devs are trying to pull. The game probably still needs a ton of work and is probably in the same boat Dark and Light was in when that crappola game was released! Choosing not to have an open beta means the creators want as many anxious people as possible to purchase the game to make as much profit as possible.. Then these same people will see how broken and incomplete the game really is.
I predict Darkfall will be just as bad as Dark and Light. Now, if by some miracle I'm wrong and DF is actually a huge success, then and only then will I check it out.
Here's some advice. Those of you who cant wait to play the game, do your best to wait at least another week or two after the game is released before purchasing it. If the reviews and word of mouth is mostly positive, then go ahead and check it out.
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You maybe missed the amount of DnL and Mourning screamers on these board .
The acceptance of pre-orders within the community is very low ..
Same people who cry now "oh no pre order" will cry "what a scam !" in case pre orders get announced.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I was looking around for more info and saw a wiki page on Aventurine SA saying they had 21 employees... Is that accurate? For a game of this scope you would expect a lot more... I mean most people say vanguard is dead and hasn't got enough devs to develop any content and they have around12-15 known devs from the forums and an unknown number of other people, ie artists, directors,etc so i'd guess that even vanguard has more people behind it then 21. If this is true how is Aventurine gonna pull off a game of this magnitude??! Did they use another engine or something?? I read elsewhere that the game is based on a quake engine and uses some other things from quake like mob AI and stuff. Any truth to any of that or does anyone actually know?
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Nobody knows anything about the NDA for the same reason nobody knows anything for sure about this supposed game.
Aventurine is shady at best, and masters of double-talk, empty implications, and excuses. From what I can see over time, Tasos' actual career consists of pointing out that he didn't actually promise something that he either promised or implied strongly.
It's clear from the state of these forums that Aventurine's supporters have dwindled to a few rather - let's be frank here - intellectually uninspiring individuals. They engage in magical, thoroughly uncritical thinking and argue with the reckless fallacy-flinging of your average eleven year old. They've developed an adolescent loyalty to the concept of Darkfall, have found a "team," and fly into hysterics at those who point out the myriad problems with Aventurine/DF.
This game is supposed to launch in 40 days and it's still in Friends and Family Alpha. The idiot blind faithful will tell you it's actually beta, and they have "professional testers" and a lot of other garbage that doesn't pass the laugh test of the average MMO player over the age of (again) about eleven years old.
If this game is released in January it will be a complete and utter disaster. You cannot test an MMO without thousands of players, and only the select few geniuses you see defending DF here think otherwise.
A sound advice for any MMORPG these days. It has become a norm for most MMORPGs to release unfinished, bugged games and then finance the final stages of the game with paying "beta testers". This is most likely that Adventurine will do as well. That is why they are so strict about previews, because they dont want to let it be generally known what state the game is in.
This game has DnL written all over it... it even has the same type of rabid fans blindly defending it based on what the devs tell them. Hey newsflash for you guys, just because the devs tell it doesnt make it so. They have an invested interest in this game so naturally what they saw will be biased and skewed, what we need is an independent source giving this game a fair (p)review and before that is done then everyone should be skeptical about this game, well any MMORPG, but this one in particular because if the history of the development and peculiarities that are going on.
For example I have both been in closed betas and knew people who have been in closed betas and this is the first time I heard that you are even forbidden to say that you are in closed beta. Hey, ofcourse you cant say anything about closed beta, but not to even be able to admit that you are in it? And this 1 month before a supposed release? Come on...
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So confident in fact that theyve utilized AI to test along side actual people.
Fixed it for ya, I know you like to be accurate with your posts lol.
let me further fix it for you.
So confident in fact that theyve utilized Ai alongside a small group of family and friends, even though they couldnt properly stress test the game doing it that way.
There you go hoss. fixed.
Ill do the final fix.
They have utlized AI alongside a small group of friends and family and a number of outside testers... there
This is unconfirmed btw
So confident in fact that theyve utilized AI to test along side actual people.
Fixed it for ya, I know you like to be accurate with your posts lol.
let me further fix it for you.
So confident in fact that theyve utilized Ai alongside a small group of family and friends as well as Prof. Tester and hundreds of beta testers, even though they couldnt properly stress test the game doing it that way. Until Open beta which is where most MMO's do there stress test.
There you go hoss. fixed.
Ill do the final fix.
They have utlized AI alongside a small group of friends and family and a number of outside testers... there
Might as well finish off the accuracy lol
The developers seem to have all of the confidence in the world, yet are stingy with any sort of details. After being hosed twice by two developers who were more open than this; why should the public be so trusting to this company nobody has ever even heard of? Because they said so? Because they're really really confident?
Mark Jacobs and his friendly chaps were all really confident too, and look how GOOD the WAGGHHH is.
Your concerns definetely have merit. I have faith but I was there for the DnL mess and many other mmo's too so I know to be very skepitical at the same time
yes they utilized AI for testing but yall conveniently forget they've been using PAYED TESTERS for over a year. They don't really plan to find any game breaking bugs during the betas. The closed beta is for hardware config check and the open beta will be for stress tests.
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Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
yea and minor other bugs : )
So confident that they're scared shitless of anyone outside their group of hangers on getting their hands on it off-site.
This statement is so wrong its funny. If they go by this then you are going to see a cluster FU when a few thousand people logging on. Unnecessary my azzzz.
Confidence is a open and straight forward with the gamers with no NDA.
You made it so let it speak for its self to an open public, hiding it will not make it any better or worse.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
So confident that they're scared shitless of anyone outside their group of hangers on getting their hands on it off-site.
wrong tons of people from the forums that dont know who the devs are are in
So confident that they're scared shitless of anyone outside their group of hangers on getting their hands on it off-site.
wrong tons of people from the forums that dont know who the devs are are in
Oh really? Who are they?
IT's been happening for a while. Fanboys take what the devs say and turn them into fact. The take would liek to have a trial to WILL have a trial. And Whenever the company promises don't materialize, they deflect.
There haven't been stated they there will not be any free trials either. Hope or not. There have been no mention of preorders. That means they are not out to scam you for your money, what other reason could it be that there is something "fishy" is goin on with DF and Aventurine ?
If they have no trial, it's the same as having pre-orders. Making you pay to find out the game is shit.
You really think even half of the "fanbois", much less anyone else, is going to put even $1 into Aventurines pocket without seeing the game first? Sorry, ain't gonna happen.
The bright side is, if it is some kind of scam or just a really shit game, only a handful of people will lose anything if forced to buy before try.
I have to laugh at your "no trial is the same as pre order". I never realized that every game on the market is pre-order then. CRAZY!!
Hey, I've got plenty of money to waist. Doesn't bother me to lose a few bucks if it ends up sucking.
Most try to find humor when they fail to grasp the point. So let me make it clearer and spell it out for you:
Pre-order = "Hi, give us your money for our game sight unseen and hope you like what you paid for."
Release with no open-beta or trial: "Hi, give us your money for our game sight unseen and hope you like what you paid for."
So yes, same thing.
And after AoCs' famous "Can't go past level 13 in the "open beta", Aventurine had better think before trying to pull that one. If they're reluctant to let you see the game past a few early levels ( you know, past the goblin areas which seem to be the only areas shown to everyone who rights a "review" ), then there's a reason why.
They've got 40 days left to have an open beta ( open to everyone, not a select few ) and get the game out. That means they have less than 40 days to convince enough people to buy the game at release. And sorry, there ain't enough diehard fanbois to foot that bill.
You think noone eventually will say, a person just like you, the difference being they've added Darkfall to the list. For every time there is people mentioning a game as the next revelation it'll be a dissapointment. My game > then your game, all over again.
"It's funny how all these failgamers from the war, aoc and darkfall boards suddenly know so much about how to make a good game. They must have had some kind relevation, shame they didn't have it a few months earlier."
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
I'd settle for some previews from CGM, IGN, Games Radar, Gamers Hell etc. The only thing i have been able to find that is even semi legit was the Italian MMORPG site preview and that was done in their office in a very controlled environment. Nope for a game that is supposedly releasing in a few weeks there are entirely too many BS flags up the flagpole.
There is no way I would pay for this pig in a poke and that is assuming they can come up with a last minute way for N Americans to purchase.
I miss DAoC
So confident that they're scared shitless of anyone outside their group of hangers on getting their hands on it off-site.
wrong tons of people from the forums that dont know who the devs are are in
Oh really? Who are they?
if i named them i would get banned so no thanks
digital download enough said
IT's been happening for a while. Fanboys take what the devs say and turn them into fact. The take would liek to have a trial to WILL have a trial. And Whenever the company promises don't materialize, they deflect.
There haven't been stated they there will not be any free trials either. Hope or not. There have been no mention of preorders. That means they are not out to scam you for your money, what other reason could it be that there is something "fishy" is goin on with DF and Aventurine ?
If they have no trial, it's the same as having pre-orders. Making you pay to find out the game is shit.
You really think even half of the "fanbois", much less anyone else, is going to put even $1 into Aventurines pocket without seeing the game first? Sorry, ain't gonna happen.
The bright side is, if it is some kind of scam or just a really shit game, only a handful of people will lose anything if forced to buy before try.
I have to laugh at your "no trial is the same as pre order". I never realized that every game on the market is pre-order then. CRAZY!!
Hey, I've got plenty of money to waist. Doesn't bother me to lose a few bucks if it ends up sucking.
Most try to find humor when they fail to grasp the point. So let me make it clearer and spell it out for you:
Pre-order = "Hi, give us your money for our game sight unseen and hope you like what you paid for."
Release with no open-beta or trial: "Hi, give us your money for our game sight unseen and hope you like what you paid for."
So yes, same thing.
And after AoCs' famous "Can't go past level 13 in the "open beta", Aventurine had better think before trying to pull that one. If they're reluctant to let you see the game past a few early levels ( you know, past the goblin areas which seem to be the only areas shown to everyone who rights a "review" ), then there's a reason why.
They've got 40 days left to have an open beta ( open to everyone, not a select few ) and get the game out. That means they have less than 40 days to convince enough people to buy the game at release. And sorry, there ain't enough diehard fanbois to foot that bill.
look at forum regerstrations enough said granted it doesnt = what subs will be but theres goign to be a public beta anyways
o yea we seen orcs too so not goblin areas only HA wrong again