It was and I don't totally disagree with you, fact of the matter is I just really enjoy debates as long as the remain mostly mature and intelligent lol.
Me too, i didnt really disagree with you at all either.
I think that a PVE server could be implemented in Darkfall without changing any of the games core BUT i dont think that current PVEers would enjoy playing on that server.
I think i would, but i dont think the common PVE player would, so it isnt worth doing.
No worries though, it looks like i will be giving the regular servers a shot.
There are no epics to grind, what the hell would be the purpose of a PvE server?? I guess it would be good for RP, but that wouldn't keep the masses happy. Darkfall PvE server is a retarded idea, end of story.
So DF will have no character developement? There will be nothing to do besides kill each other?
But I keep hearing DF is supposed to be so much more then just a pvp game.
A DF pve server will never happen. I've accepted that because the pvpers fear choice and the developers judgement is clouded by their egos. Shame too but oh well.
We don't fear the choice, the devs have said no to PvE and the majority of the player base agree...it's a retarded idea.
If someone enjoys PvE there is no reason why they can't do that on a normal server. The world is supposedly big enough that they can go off to some corner of the world and run around and kill all the Goblins they want....but BEWARE! The Goblins are reported to have good AI so it may not be much different then facing off with another player.
exactly, why make another server for stupid people who can't play the game as designed. But i do understand the potential, pve in DF will be deep and hardcore pve'rs won't be able to experience pve in popular spots w/out pvping as well (though... maybe if you're sneaky enough...).
But anyway, this won't happen b/c the fear is it will lead to the carebearization of DF, which is a valid worry.
This is where it all stems from you know.
Not wanting to be on a full PVP server= Stupid.
Carebears vs Hardcore PVPers!!!!
Continue the battle.
Maybe it will go on long enough that no one will ever even try to make a game that really appeals to both sides vis one side feeling like an unwanted leftover.
We don't fear the choice, the devs have said no to PvE and the majority of the player base agree...it's a retarded idea. If someone enjoys PvE there is no reason why they can't do that on a normal server. The world is supposedly big enough that they can go off to some corner of the world and run around and kill all the Goblins they want....but BEWARE! The Goblins are reported to have good AI so it may not be much different then facing off with another player.
exactly, why make another server for stupid people who can't play the game as designed. But i do understand the potential, pve in DF will be deep and hardcore pve'rs won't be able to experience pve in popular spots w/out pvping as well (though... maybe if you're sneaky enough...).
But anyway, this won't happen b/c the fear is it will lead to the carebearization of DF, which is a valid worry.
This is where it all stems from you know.
Not wanting to be on a full PVP server= Stupid.
Carebears vs Hardcore PVPers!!!!
Continue the battle.
Maybe it will go on long enough that no one will ever even try to make a game that really appeals to both sides vis one side feeling like an unwanted leftover.
Well if you had to choose, i want DF to be hardcore, given that all the other mmo's on the market are carebear.
and, finally, making a pvp or pve server in a game that is only designed to be played ONE certain way is complete fail, see darktide, it was a gigantic gankfest. PvP in games like EQ2 and AC2 seems tacked on because the game was designed for pve, and only through fundamental changes can a pvp server be made (AC2 tried, but failed at making a good pvp system).
The only way a pve server would work in DF is if they make some fundamental changes, which would be a lot of work, I can see it happening if there's a lot of demand for it but if there is, the WRONG people will be playing DF.
Wait a minute.....Darkfall won't have character development because there are no PvE servers? What the.....I'm confused?!?!??!!?!?
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Typical idiots in this threae that most pvp games have.I played on darktide and I played uo full pvp don't bother me but if it ensures a game can stay open and remain up and runnin wth do I care if they had a pve server? This is the same kinda crap that ended up makin alot of full pvp games either shut down or change there rules set why? because full pvp games do not do well the same typically idiots run off the mainstream base with there l33t talk and other ignorance have at it and see ya back in wow or whatever else in 6 months when they game is shut down or no one is left to play with you morons lol
Typical idiots in this threae that most pvp games have.I played on darktide and I played uo full pvp don't bother me but if it ensures a game can stay open and remain up and runnin wth do I care if they had a pve server? This is the same kinda crap that ended up makin alot of full pvp games either shut down or change there rules set why? because full pvp games do not do well the same typically idiots run off the mainstream base with there l33t talk and other ignorance have at it and see ya back in wow or whatever else in 6 months when they game is shut down or no one is left to play with you morons lol
Take a deep breath now.. everythings gonna be ok I promise
Typical idiots in this threae that most pvp games have.I played on darktide and I played uo full pvp don't bother me but if it ensures a game can stay open and remain up and runnin wth do I care if they had a pve server? This is the same kinda crap that ended up makin alot of full pvp games either shut down or change there rules set why? because full pvp games do not do well the same typically idiots run off the mainstream base with there l33t talk and other ignorance have at it and see ya back in wow or whatever else in 6 months when they game is shut down or no one is left to play with you morons lol
You would be much more convincing calling us morons, if you didn't write like a mentally challenged 5 yr old. You never played pre-Trammel UO, unless you did it while still in diapers.
Well if you had to choose, i want DF to be hardcore, given that all the other mmo's on the market are carebear.
DF isn't hardcore either. I laugh when people like you say DF is hardcore, when I think DF is a carebear game. Want hardcore? Play perma-death.
LOL, Perma-Death.
Now that is a very small Niche group we are talking about. Probably all live in the same room
Perma-Death is fun right about up to the Perma-death part.
Not necessarily, there's a nice middleground with a deathcounter. Like you have say 100 deaths before permanent death. That would be something I would love to have in Darkfall, alt server ofc.
There was a game called Trials of Ascension being developed (got canned tho) that had this. That game made even Darkfall look bland and boring.
If you want to play PVE only, GO PLAY ONE OF THE MANY PVE GAMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
One of the main attractions of Darkfall is the openness, you do what you want, and that includes attack and defend against other players, aswell as take their loot. City building and city conquest, this other main feature requires pvp.
The pvp crowd have followed Darkfall for years now as the only real pvp game coming out and now its on the brink of release here we have a few ignorant idiots asking for pve servers - what the ****.
I can't believe the stupidity here. If you want to play PVE only, GO PLAY ONE OF THE MANY PVE GAMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU. One of the main attractions of Darkfall is the openness, you do what you want, and that includes attack and defend against other players, aswell as take their loot. City building and city conquest, this other main feature requires pvp. The pvp crowd have followed Darkfall for years now as the only real pvp game coming out and now its on the brink of release here we have a few ignorant idiots asking for pve servers - what the ****.
Feel free to point out the other sandbox mmo's that offer the classless skill based system which Darkfall will offer?
I can't believe your stupidity, calling others stupid, when you are guilty of being short sighted and cannot understand the motivations of others. You see, some gamers would like to play Darkfall a concept that interests them too, under their own terms just as you would.
These arguments are moot anyway as Aventurine stated there will only be one server, I do believe however that that may change with an alternative rule set server being offered, which would not affect the planned pvp server one iota. Aventurine would have to be morons if they didn’t realise the cash potential such a server could offer, they just have to decide if the extra coding and support that is required is something they want to embark on. Every mmo ever released that offers pve and pvp servers has always enjoyed greater pve server populations. Even eve online which many consider to have the harshest mmo environment available, has a larger active population occupying empire space than the pvp madhouse that is lowsec/0.0
Oh BTW, I have been following Darkfall since its announcement and I am certainly not part of your mythical pvp crowd, whatever the hell that might be, perhaps its a teenage euphemism for the mentally challenged. I will be playing Darkfall on the day it releases as I enjoy pvp, but I also understand others do not, and I am not so short sighted that I cannot see a larger player base can only ever be good for a game. The players asking for an alternative rule set server are not the ones being ignorant; perhaps you should re examine the definition of the word.
Have a nice day.
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Well if you had to choose, i want DF to be hardcore, given that all the other mmo's on the market are carebear.
DF isn't hardcore either. I laugh when people like you say DF is hardcore, when I think DF is a carebear game. Want hardcore? Play perma-death.
DF is the hardcorest you'll get on the market. Sure you can name some pvp servers that are more hardcore, but all of them are pve games that stuck "pvp server" on to get at this market. DF is MADE around pvp ffa.
Perma death wouldn't work in DF, this was brought up in forumfall. The game needs to revolve around permadeath for it to work (or in the topic, for a perma death server to arise). For instance, there needs to be char. dev even though you're char dies.
Power in the world should be focused more on knowledge of the world and player skill than actual "levels" and such. And there would need to be some sort of "family" system where, if they also didn't get killed, you would continue on through your son/daughter and keep some of your wealth via guild/inheritence. This would be an interesting game, i prefer DF's system, but it would be interesting none the less.
EDIT: @ 2 posters up, you CAN pve only if you're smart about it (avoid people and use stealth), a pve server would just be for those people who want to pve and are also not smart, catering to the "entry level" defines "carebearing" (not really but w/e you get my point).
But yeah a pve server would serve those who would want to pve in populated areas, something which you couldn't do before without extreme stealth and pvp avoiding tactics (such as, if you get out a dungeon, your group needs to be ready to fight off anyone who wants to steal all your stuff unless yall super good at avoiding people)
Seems as though DF wont be making any PVE servers, so all I can suggest is maybe you should try it out how it is now. I myself find open PVP a pain once in a while, but thats what makes this game so interesting. Other then trying it, I guess the PVE crowed is out of luck for now.
I can't see it working, the game has been constructed around ffapvp and full loot. It wouldn't just require some extra coding, the entire game would have to be rebalanced. Item drops, durability, resources spawns, reagents and basically everything you can put in your bag would need to be rebalanced to take into account the lack of full loot.
Also as mentioned guild cities would be owned forever and with 10k concurrent players and 50 guild city spots guilds would need to be at least 200+ people, probably much bigger with people offline people to allow everyone access to one. What happens if a guild stops playing, or only has 3 people? What happens if 1 person acquires 20 guild cities?
What would pve players do? The pve might be ok but I doubt it's going to provide ongoing entertainment if it's the only thing to do when the core gameplay element has been removed. It would be like having a pvp wow server with no dungeons or raids.
The list of changes to the game required to allow this and make it worthwhile playing would be too big. They could easily make a non full loot consensual pvp server but it wouldn't have any gameplay.
If anyone want to play a good PvE game go play Vanguard it the best one on the market by fare. The pvp sucks but that why hopefully DF fills the empty whole. The person that posted this Discussion is siting back laughing at how much flame he has casued. Well i would
Well if you had to choose, i want DF to be hardcore, given that all the other mmo's on the market are carebear.
DF isn't hardcore either. I laugh when people like you say DF is hardcore, when I think DF is a carebear game. Want hardcore? Play perma-death.
This proofs your pure troll, laughing behind his pc
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
If anyone want to play a good PvE game go play Vanguard it the best one on the market by fare. The pvp sucks but that why hopefully DF fills the empty whole. The person that posted this Discussion is siting back laughing at how much flame he has casued. Well i would learn to troll better and one day, you too will be as gigantic and hairy as the OP, king of trolls
I also heard LOTRO is a good pve mmo, for anyone who's pissed that there's never gonna be a pve server in DF (though, i say again, you CAN pve only in DF if you're smart about it)
Vanguard suffers from intermittent lag. It is challenging in the sense that you sometimes move without seeing how you move until you've fallen off a cliff. Though the powers, quests, dialog, difficulty, and character choices are many and good, the lag makes it no fun.
LOTRO is not challenging.
I was asking about a good PVE game, not an almost tolerable one.
Vanguard suffers from intermittent lag. It is challenging in the sense that you sometimes move without seeing how you move until you've fallen off a cliff. Though the powers, quests, dialog, difficulty, and character choices are many and good, the lag makes it no fun. LOTRO is not challenging. I was asking about a good PVE game, not an almost tolerable one.
You must be on dial up, because Vanguard has no such lag.
Vanguard suffers from intermittent lag. It is challenging in the sense that you sometimes move without seeing how you move until you've fallen off a cliff. Though the powers, quests, dialog, difficulty, and character choices are many and good, the lag makes it no fun. LOTRO is not challenging. I was asking about a good PVE game, not an almost tolerable one.
You must be on dial up, because Vanguard has no such lag.
You must be mistaken, I use cable. Vanguard has such lag.
LOTRO does not. WoW does not. EQ2 does not. WAR does not. Atlantica online does not. AoC does not. Vanguard is the only game that does.
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Me too, i didnt really disagree with you at all either.
I think that a PVE server could be implemented in Darkfall without changing any of the games core BUT i dont think that current PVEers would enjoy playing on that server.
I think i would, but i dont think the common PVE player would, so it isnt worth doing.
No worries though, it looks like i will be giving the regular servers a shot.
So DF will have no character developement? There will be nothing to do besides kill each other?
But I keep hearing DF is supposed to be so much more then just a pvp game.
A DF pve server will never happen. I've accepted that because the pvpers fear choice and the developers judgement is clouded by their egos. Shame too but oh well.
We don't fear the choice, the devs have said no to PvE and the majority of the player base agree...it's a retarded idea.
If someone enjoys PvE there is no reason why they can't do that on a normal server. The world is supposedly big enough that they can go off to some corner of the world and run around and kill all the Goblins they want....but BEWARE! The Goblins are reported to have good AI so it may not be much different then facing off with another player.
exactly, why make another server for stupid people who can't play the game as designed. But i do understand the potential, pve in DF will be deep and hardcore pve'rs won't be able to experience pve in popular spots w/out pvping as well (though... maybe if you're sneaky enough...).
But anyway, this won't happen b/c the fear is it will lead to the carebearization of DF, which is a valid worry.
This is where it all stems from you know.
Not wanting to be on a full PVP server= Stupid.
Carebears vs Hardcore PVPers!!!!
Continue the battle.
Maybe it will go on long enough that no one will ever even try to make a game that really appeals to both sides vis one side feeling like an unwanted leftover.
exactly, why make another server for stupid people who can't play the game as designed. But i do understand the potential, pve in DF will be deep and hardcore pve'rs won't be able to experience pve in popular spots w/out pvping as well (though... maybe if you're sneaky enough...).
But anyway, this won't happen b/c the fear is it will lead to the carebearization of DF, which is a valid worry.
This is where it all stems from you know.
Not wanting to be on a full PVP server= Stupid.
Carebears vs Hardcore PVPers!!!!
Continue the battle.
Maybe it will go on long enough that no one will ever even try to make a game that really appeals to both sides vis one side feeling like an unwanted leftover.
Well if you had to choose, i want DF to be hardcore, given that all the other mmo's on the market are carebear.
and, finally, making a pvp or pve server in a game that is only designed to be played ONE certain way is complete fail, see darktide, it was a gigantic gankfest. PvP in games like EQ2 and AC2 seems tacked on because the game was designed for pve, and only through fundamental changes can a pvp server be made (AC2 tried, but failed at making a good pvp system).
The only way a pve server would work in DF is if they make some fundamental changes, which would be a lot of work, I can see it happening if there's a lot of demand for it but if there is, the WRONG people will be playing DF.
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
Wait a minute.....Darkfall won't have character development because there are no PvE servers? What the.....I'm confused?!?!??!!?!?
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Typical idiots in this threae that most pvp games have.I played on darktide and I played uo full pvp don't bother me but if it ensures a game can stay open and remain up and runnin wth do I care if they had a pve server? This is the same kinda crap that ended up makin alot of full pvp games either shut down or change there rules set why? because full pvp games do not do well the same typically idiots run off the mainstream base with there l33t talk and other ignorance have at it and see ya back in wow or whatever else in 6 months when they game is shut down or no one is left to play with you morons lol
Take a deep breath now.. everythings gonna be ok I promise
You would be much more convincing calling us morons, if you didn't write like a mentally challenged 5 yr old. You never played pre-Trammel UO, unless you did it while still in diapers.
DF isn't hardcore either. I laugh when people like you say DF is hardcore, when I think DF is a carebear game. Want hardcore? Play perma-death.
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DF isn't hardcore either. I laugh when people like you say DF is hardcore, when I think DF is a carebear game. Want hardcore? Play perma-death.
LOL, Perma-Death.
Now that is a very small Niche group we are talking about. Probably all live in the same room
Perma-Death is fun right about up to the Perma-death part.
DF isn't hardcore either. I laugh when people like you say DF is hardcore, when I think DF is a carebear game. Want hardcore? Play perma-death.
LOL, Perma-Death.
Now that is a very small Niche group we are talking about. Probably all live in the same room
Perma-Death is fun right about up to the Perma-death part.
Not necessarily, there's a nice middleground with a deathcounter. Like you have say 100 deaths before permanent death. That would be something I would love to have in Darkfall, alt server ofc.
There was a game called Trials of Ascension being developed (got canned tho) that had this. That game made even Darkfall look bland and boring.
I don't see what the issue is in having a few PvE servers, and then the Pvp ones for those who want to pvp.
I mean, why try and ruin a persons personal playstyle? If anything the more variety in servers, the more players will be drawn into the game.
I can't believe the stupidity here.
If you want to play PVE only, GO PLAY ONE OF THE MANY PVE GAMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
One of the main attractions of Darkfall is the openness, you do what you want, and that includes attack and defend against other players, aswell as take their loot. City building and city conquest, this other main feature requires pvp.
The pvp crowd have followed Darkfall for years now as the only real pvp game coming out and now its on the brink of release here we have a few ignorant idiots asking for pve servers - what the ****.
Feel free to point out the other sandbox mmo's that offer the classless skill based system which Darkfall will offer?
I can't believe your stupidity, calling others stupid, when you are guilty of being short sighted and cannot understand the motivations of others. You see, some gamers would like to play Darkfall a concept that interests them too, under their own terms just as you would.
These arguments are moot anyway as Aventurine stated there will only be one server, I do believe however that that may change with an alternative rule set server being offered, which would not affect the planned pvp server one iota. Aventurine would have to be morons if they didn’t realise the cash potential such a server could offer, they just have to decide if the extra coding and support that is required is something they want to embark on. Every mmo ever released that offers pve and pvp servers has always enjoyed greater pve server populations. Even eve online which many consider to have the harshest mmo environment available, has a larger active population occupying empire space than the pvp madhouse that is lowsec/0.0
Oh BTW, I have been following Darkfall since its announcement and I am certainly not part of your mythical pvp crowd, whatever the hell that might be, perhaps its a teenage euphemism for the mentally challenged. I will be playing Darkfall on the day it releases as I enjoy pvp, but I also understand others do not, and I am not so short sighted that I cannot see a larger player base can only ever be good for a game. The players asking for an alternative rule set server are not the ones being ignorant; perhaps you should re examine the definition of the word.
Have a nice day.
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If you can cite a good one, I'd be happy to. Cite one good PVE game this century.
DF isn't hardcore either. I laugh when people like you say DF is hardcore, when I think DF is a carebear game. Want hardcore? Play perma-death.
DF is the hardcorest you'll get on the market. Sure you can name some pvp servers that are more hardcore, but all of them are pve games that stuck "pvp server" on to get at this market. DF is MADE around pvp ffa.
Perma death wouldn't work in DF, this was brought up in forumfall. The game needs to revolve around permadeath for it to work (or in the topic, for a perma death server to arise). For instance, there needs to be char. dev even though you're char dies.
Power in the world should be focused more on knowledge of the world and player skill than actual "levels" and such. And there would need to be some sort of "family" system where, if they also didn't get killed, you would continue on through your son/daughter and keep some of your wealth via guild/inheritence. This would be an interesting game, i prefer DF's system, but it would be interesting none the less.
EDIT: @ 2 posters up, you CAN pve only if you're smart about it (avoid people and use stealth), a pve server would just be for those people who want to pve and are also not smart, catering to the "entry level" defines "carebearing" (not really but w/e you get my point).
But yeah a pve server would serve those who would want to pve in populated areas, something which you couldn't do before without extreme stealth and pvp avoiding tactics (such as, if you get out a dungeon, your group needs to be ready to fight off anyone who wants to steal all your stuff unless yall super good at avoiding people)
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
Seems as though DF wont be making any PVE servers, so all I can suggest is maybe you should try it out how it is now. I myself find open PVP a pain once in a while, but thats what makes this game so interesting. Other then trying it, I guess the PVE crowed is out of luck for now.
if I wanted to play a MMO with PvE I would seriously go back to WoW. I hope Aventurine stick with its plans.
I can't see it working, the game has been constructed around ffapvp and full loot. It wouldn't just require some extra coding, the entire game would have to be rebalanced. Item drops, durability, resources spawns, reagents and basically everything you can put in your bag would need to be rebalanced to take into account the lack of full loot.
Also as mentioned guild cities would be owned forever and with 10k concurrent players and 50 guild city spots guilds would need to be at least 200+ people, probably much bigger with people offline people to allow everyone access to one. What happens if a guild stops playing, or only has 3 people? What happens if 1 person acquires 20 guild cities?
What would pve players do? The pve might be ok but I doubt it's going to provide ongoing entertainment if it's the only thing to do when the core gameplay element has been removed. It would be like having a pvp wow server with no dungeons or raids.
The list of changes to the game required to allow this and make it worthwhile playing would be too big. They could easily make a non full loot consensual pvp server but it wouldn't have any gameplay.
If anyone want to play a good PvE game go play Vanguard it the best one on the market by fare. The pvp sucks but that why hopefully DF fills the empty whole. The person that posted this Discussion is siting back laughing at how much flame he has casued. Well i would
DF isn't hardcore either. I laugh when people like you say DF is hardcore, when I think DF is a carebear game. Want hardcore? Play perma-death.
This proofs your pure troll, laughing behind his pc
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
I also heard LOTRO is a good pve mmo, for anyone who's pissed that there's never gonna be a pve server in DF (though, i say again, you CAN pve only in DF if you're smart about it)
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
Vanguard suffers from intermittent lag.
It is challenging in the sense that you sometimes move without seeing how you move until you've fallen off a cliff. Though the powers, quests, dialog, difficulty, and character choices are many and good, the lag makes it no fun.
LOTRO is not challenging.
I was asking about a good PVE game, not an almost tolerable one.
You must be on dial up, because Vanguard has no such lag.
Darkfall Travelogues!
best reply to a post ive seen in a while. This game is made for pvper,s, so the guys who want to pve can go fuck around in LOTRO....
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You must be on dial up, because Vanguard has no such lag.
You must be mistaken, I use cable. Vanguard has such lag.
LOTRO does not. WoW does not. EQ2 does not. WAR does not. Atlantica online does not. AoC does not. Vanguard is the only game that does.