No, I believe I said what I meant. It's you arrogant few who try to twist others words into your little pseudo-funny quips. There are plenty of people outside the US that want to play this game that can't. And yes, it isn't released...for me, lol. Just because YOU can sign up easily or that YOU don't mind jumping through hoops with proxies doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't mind either. It means they (TCOS folks) need to get on the ball about making their game more easily accessible if they want proper billing and more customers. As for rhetoric, vesavius is the king of the pointless variety from what I've read so far. But hey, that's just my opinion from reading his posts. Never seen someone so full of "if people like you" statements and an "If you don't share my view you're wrong" mentatlity. But, that's my opinion, been holding it for a while, it's said, done, and over with. And, as I don't particularly care to play this title I'm removing myself from this...discussion (using the word very, very loosely). All the best.
I think you won the "debate", Vesavius is usually pretty quick on the retort ball if he thought it could make him look good.
Why so catty? Did I defeat your point in another thread or something? lol
Excuse me for going away to do, like y'know, stuff.
I didnt realise forums had to be a real time conversation to be 'won'.
Thank you for seemingly all being aware of me though. I guess it is fame, of a type. I can't say I have ever noticed you before... Or have we met with you on an alt account? You'll have to let me know.
TBH, I gave up on the possibility of having a reasonable debate about this exactly when you guys slid into personal attacks in lieu of actual arguments.
I never once attacked anyone here and kept the conversation about the point in hand. Pity you guys can't say the same.
This is not a live game yet in the USA - I downloaded the trial client and try to sign in and I could not.. I wrote to them yesterday and I got this back.
Thank you for contacting Acclaim Games. I gather from your email that you have a login issue with The Chronicles of Spellborn. I would be glad to address your concern. The game server you are trying to login is from a different distributor. The launch date of The Chronicles of Spellborn from Acclaim is delayed. For more information please visit the link;
I am aware that mmorpg.com is a US based website, but to not list a game as live just because it is not live in the US is, I think, bordering on xenophobia. It's the same as saying we don't count and arnt 'real' players or, indeed, users of this site. A lot of your users are international, a lot are from the EU. How about listing this game as live to give it some profile and support, because it does deserve support, and just creating a sticky explaining that the US version is coming soon? Why a live game, and it is live due to the fact that you can buy and play it, is listed as still in Development is confusing to me. Please change this?
Wow you just had too write a thread about nothing? was it really that big of a deal that it doesnt say live on a north american web site since its not live in north america.... lol its like saying Hey... since there arent alot of ppl playing chronicles of of spellborne should we just say its DEAD? cause im in the servers in Chronicles of spellborn and there arent alot of ppl in here... y? i wouldnt call it live for that reason lol.
I am aware that mmorpg.com is a US based website, but to not list a game as live just because it is not live in the US is, I think, bordering on xenophobia. It's the same as saying we don't count and arnt 'real' players or, indeed, users of this site. A lot of your users are international, a lot are from the EU. How about listing this game as live to give it some profile and support, because it does deserve support, and just creating a sticky explaining that the US version is coming soon? Why a live game, and it is live due to the fact that you can buy and play it, is listed as still in Development is confusing to me. Please change this?
Wow you just had too write a thread about nothing? was it really that big of a deal that it doesnt say live on a north american web site since its not live in north america.... lol its like saying Hey... since there arent alot of ppl playing chronicles of of spellborne should we just say its DEAD? cause im in the servers in Chronicles of spellborn and there arent alot of ppl in here... y? i wouldnt call it live for that reason lol.
Well, a lot of people here obviously do think it's worth discussing, hence the actual.. discussion.
Your also being silly here arnt you?
'Live' release obviously dosent mean the same as 'packed servers' does it?
I have already stated the reason that being moved to the 'live' section would help the game, and I'm not gonna go over it again for some 'loling' random guy with nothing to add.
This is not a live game yet in the USA - I downloaded the trial client and try to sign in and I could not.. I wrote to them yesterday and I got this back.
Thank you for contacting Acclaim Games. I gather from your email that you have a login issue with The Chronicles of Spellborn. I would be glad to address your concern. The game server you are trying to login is from a different distributor. The launch date of The Chronicles of Spellborn from Acclaim is delayed. For more information please visit the link;
only way for you too get in is like i did by using a proxy site too create an account and activate it thru the proxy since the game isnt LIVE it wont let most ppl play. only ppl in EU... if you want more details there are threads about how too get in for us north americans.
Unless you need us, like for taking your ex-prisoners, or for making a war looking justified (see? They are all supporting us, so many can't be wrong..), eh?
If publishers wouldn't follow this way (well, not like publishers in other countries wouldn't do the same.. it's just US does it a lot more..), we wouldn't have this discussion, as everyone would be able to play it at once, except perhaps for translations, but not just because they say "we don't like your nose, go and buy it next year plx" or whatever. And then this artificial "no, you can't play with your friends from X, because they live in another country" *looks on maps* oh, yes, 10 km...
This is simliar with the huge price differences out of nowhere, like when a digital download costs twice as much somewhere. Or only half.
I think mmorpg.com should be more open to other countries, so if a game is released, it is released. Wether it gets translated into Spanish, Japanese, Ancient Greek or English doesn't matter.
Many of the games you enjoy aren't US originally, like Anarchy Online (Funcom, Norway), EVE Online (CCP Games, Island), Final Fantasy XI (Square Enix, Japan). We can go even further back, Tolkien was born to British parents in what today is South Africa.
What about World of Warcraft? Well, Blizzard itself is an US company, and so is Activision. But Vivendi is from France..
Also it's funny when you say "it's not released for me" or "just because you can sign-up...". But the other way round it's ok?
Also take a look at many of the other games (the ones before you discovered MMOs..).
So either initial release (when released one after another in several countries, take the first or the latest..) or maximum extent (which would delay "release" for years sometimes. What if you decide after years "ok, obivously this is going nowhere from here" and set it "live", and then they release it in Japan or so?).
Many famous economist think that China or India will supersede US as biggest market etc within a few years, too.
So please stop being so ego-centric. There is no need for it.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
I looked around TCoS site and I could have missed it, but they didn't say anywhere that they are officially live either. For example Warhammer did HERE.
Anyways it's pretty easy to tell this is primarily a US site as there's no option to change the site language, if you do a WHOIS it's based in Hawaii, and the tangible contest items are generally only shipped to people in the US or NA. I could be wrong on that last one though, but I remember someone complaining about them not being eligible because they weren't from the US/NA. Anyways If it really bothers you there's always mmosite.com that lists it as final. I visit quite a few sites myself as each one has different games listed.
Honestly though it shouldn't be a big deal as there's a number of games that are listed as something other than released and they have been out for a awhile. For example Eternal Lands, Pirate King Online, and so on. Granted they haven't had as much money put into them to make them huge, but they are still enjoyable games too.
I agree with the OP - it doesn't matter whether the game has only gone live to a small part of its intended eventual audience, it is still live and should be listed that way. It might, as the OP says, give the thing some profile and help boost interest in it.
To continue to list it as 'in development' simply because it hasn't gone live for those who live in the self-proclaimed centre of the universe is wrong.
I agree with the OP - it doesn't matter whether the game has only gone live to a small part of its intended eventual audience, it is still live and should be listed that way. It might, as the OP says, give the thing some profile and help boost interest in it. To continue to list it as 'in development' simply because it hasn't gone live for those who live in the self-proclaimed centre of the universe is wrong. I think you should change its designation now.
The TCoS that will be listed here when released will be the Acclaim NA version. That version has not released, and since it has not even managed a beta, it is "in development".
If TCoS was being released worldwide under one publisher, then it would have already been listed as "released".
When any game, asian or otherwise, obtains an official NA or international version, that version is the one placed here.
It's really quite simple when people don't try to over-think it.
I agree with the OP - it doesn't matter whether the game has only gone live to a small part of its intended eventual audience, it is still live and should be listed that way. It might, as the OP says, give the thing some profile and help boost interest in it. To continue to list it as 'in development' simply because it hasn't gone live for those who live in the self-proclaimed centre of the universe is wrong. I think you should change its designation now.
The TCoS that will be listed here when released will be the Acclaim NA version. That version has not released, and since it has not even managed a beta, it is "in development".
If TCoS was being released worldwide under one publisher, then it would have already been listed as "released".
When any game, asian or otherwise, obtains an official NA or international version, that version is the one placed here.
It's really quite simple when people don't try to over-think it.
Says who...?
And what exactly do you mean when you say 'international version' ?
The fact is that this game has been handled differently from most. If you live in the countries where it's been released, then it's not 'in development', it's very much live. What we're saying is that this site should recognise that.
I agree with the OP - it doesn't matter whether the game has only gone live to a small part of its intended eventual audience, it is still live and should be listed that way. It might, as the OP says, give the thing some profile and help boost interest in it. To continue to list it as 'in development' simply because it hasn't gone live for those who live in the self-proclaimed centre of the universe is wrong. I think you should change its designation now.
Yeah the US doesn't have the clout it once carried as a country anymore in the eyes of the world... I'm afraid this is the begining of a trend that US gamers will probably see titles released last in the world instead of first.
I agree with the OP - it doesn't matter whether the game has only gone live to a small part of its intended eventual audience, it is still live and should be listed that way. It might, as the OP says, give the thing some profile and help boost interest in it. To continue to list it as 'in development' simply because it hasn't gone live for those who live in the self-proclaimed centre of the universe is wrong. I think you should change its designation now.
The TCoS that will be listed here when released will be the Acclaim NA version. That version has not released, and since it has not even managed a beta, it is "in development".
If TCoS was being released worldwide under one publisher, then it would have already been listed as "released".
When any game, asian or otherwise, obtains an official NA or international version, that version is the one placed here.
It's really quite simple when people don't try to over-think it.
Says who...?
And what exactly do you mean when you say 'international version' ?
The fact is that this game has been handled differently from most. If you live in the countries where it's been released, then it's not 'in development', it's very much live. What we're saying is that this site should recognise that.
This is a stupid bloody argument, by the way...
Says my experience with this site over the last 5 years.
And an international version is what many asian games that open up to the western market call their English server or version.
And it is not being handled any differently than any other game, so your right. It's a stupid bloody argument.
I agree with the OP - it doesn't matter whether the game has only gone live to a small part of its intended eventual audience, it is still live and should be listed that way. It might, as the OP says, give the thing some profile and help boost interest in it. To continue to list it as 'in development' simply because it hasn't gone live for those who live in the self-proclaimed centre of the universe is wrong. I think you should change its designation now.
Yeah the US doesn't have the clout it once carried as a country anymore in the eyes of the world... I'm afraid this is the begining of a trend that US gamers will probably see titles released last in the world instead of first.
I blame Bush, lol
Oh, give up.
The only titles to go to EU before NA are TCoS ( who had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find a publisher here ) and Darkfall ( who aren't allowed to use the name "Darkfall" in the U.S. and also can't find any reputable publisher to touch them ).
This game should not be listed as a released game.
Not because it was not released in the US, but because it was not released to the mass public yet. It was only given to a small area. To make a long story short. If it were released in NEW YORK, AND NEW JERSEY it should not be on the released list. mmorpg view is that released games list is for anyone to look at the list, and be able to purchase the game.
Sounds to me that the OP is just trying to clam un-justifiable predigest. And for the life of me I just can't understand why so many people are even arguing it.
Im all for mmorpg.com listing this game as "live" and while they are at it they can make a whole category for asian and euro made games so theres less garbage to sift through when youre looking for a good game to try out.
2) Say the game is moved to the released games list and it never goes full scale. What is mmorpg to do, remove it off the released game list ?........ That would make mmorpge un-professional, causing them to loose credibility just like their fans that make squishy statements...........RIGHT !!!!
This game should not be listed as a released game. Not because it was not released in the US, but because it was not released to the mass public yet. It was only given to a small area.
If the current release area isn't mass public, then I'm afraid a game released in USA only doesn't count as released to mass public either because that would make whole USA a small area. It looks like mmorpg.com lists games as released based on wether they are released in USA or not released in USA, and that's it, it's understandable from an America website but there's no need to claim that other parts of the world are insignificant because of it.
Sadly due to poor marketing and even worse publishers TCoS is dead in the water. It doesn't matter that is hasn't released yet in most area it appears to already be finished before it really started.
Sadly due to poor marketing and even worse publishers TCoS is dead in the water. It doesn't matter that is hasn't released yet in most area it appears to already be finished before it really started.
Sadly due to poor marketing and even worse publishers TCoS is dead in the water. It doesn't matter that is hasn't released yet in most area it appears to already be finished before it really started.
and people like you make the game more more dead.
Why? Because he stated a probable fact that anyone is free to confirm? TCoS will be gone before Acclaim ever manages to get it running in NA with the current state of affairs. These people aren't SOE, they can't afford to keep a zombie alive, especially when the zombie has never even been fed to begin with.
Sadly due to poor marketing and even worse publishers TCoS is dead in the water. It doesn't matter that is hasn't released yet in most area it appears to already be finished before it really started.
and people like you make the game more more dead.
Why? Because he stated a probable fact that anyone is free to confirm? TCoS will be gone before Acclaim ever manages to get it running in NA with the current state of affairs. These people aren't SOE, they can't afford to keep a zombie alive, especially when the zombie has never even been fed to begin with.
I don't know what i'm doing wrong but... I downloaded the US client, made an account with acclaim, and tried to log in... TCoS stated that anyone could play for free till around lvl 7 to test it out before subscribing. So why did Acclaim make all accounts pending to not let people try it out... honestly I just want to check it out before deciding to subscribe to it.
Sadly due to poor marketing and even worse publishers TCoS is dead in the water. It doesn't matter that is hasn't released yet in most area it appears to already be finished before it really started.
and people like you make the game more more dead.
Why? Because he stated a probable fact that anyone is free to confirm? TCoS will be gone before Acclaim ever manages to get it running in NA with the current state of affairs. These people aren't SOE, they can't afford to keep a zombie alive, especially when the zombie has never even been fed to begin with.
I don't know what i'm doing wrong but... I downloaded the US client, made an account with acclaim, and tried to log in... TCoS stated that anyone could play for free till around lvl 7 to test it out before subscribing. So why did Acclaim make all accounts pending to not let people try it out... honestly I just want to check it out before deciding to subscribe to it.
If you downloaded a U.S. client and made an Acclaim account, you just wasted a whole lot of bandwidth, time, and effort for nothing. Acclaim doesn't even have the beta client ready yet.
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Why so catty? Did I defeat your point in another thread or something? lol
Excuse me for going away to do, like y'know, stuff.
I didnt realise forums had to be a real time conversation to be 'won'.
Thank you for seemingly all being aware of me though. I guess it is fame, of a type. I can't say I have ever noticed you before... Or have we met with you on an alt account? You'll have to let me know.
TBH, I gave up on the possibility of having a reasonable debate about this exactly when you guys slid into personal attacks in lieu of actual arguments.
I never once attacked anyone here and kept the conversation about the point in hand. Pity you guys can't say the same.
Tragic really.
Well, yeah...
This is kinda the point being discussed
Wow you just had too write a thread about nothing? was it really that big of a deal that it doesnt say live on a north american web site since its not live in north america.... lol its like saying Hey... since there arent alot of ppl playing chronicles of of spellborne should we just say its DEAD? cause im in the servers in Chronicles of spellborn and there arent alot of ppl in here... y? i wouldnt call it live for that reason lol.
Wow you just had too write a thread about nothing? was it really that big of a deal that it doesnt say live on a north american web site since its not live in north america.... lol its like saying Hey... since there arent alot of ppl playing chronicles of of spellborne should we just say its DEAD? cause im in the servers in Chronicles of spellborn and there arent alot of ppl in here... y? i wouldnt call it live for that reason lol.
Well, a lot of people here obviously do think it's worth discussing, hence the actual.. discussion.
Your also being silly here arnt you?
'Live' release obviously dosent mean the same as 'packed servers' does it?
I have already stated the reason that being moved to the 'live' section would help the game, and I'm not gonna go over it again for some 'loling' random guy with nothing to add.
only way for you too get in is like i did by using a proxy site too create an account and activate it thru the proxy since the game isnt LIVE it wont let most ppl play. only ppl in EU... if you want more details there are threads about how too get in for us north americans.
Isn't it more like Rest of the World = Evil
Unless you need us, like for taking your ex-prisoners, or for making a war looking justified (see? They are all supporting us, so many can't be wrong..), eh?
If publishers wouldn't follow this way (well, not like publishers in other countries wouldn't do the same.. it's just US does it a lot more..), we wouldn't have this discussion, as everyone would be able to play it at once, except perhaps for translations, but not just because they say "we don't like your nose, go and buy it next year plx" or whatever. And then this artificial "no, you can't play with your friends from X, because they live in another country" *looks on maps* oh, yes, 10 km...
This is simliar with the huge price differences out of nowhere, like when a digital download costs twice as much somewhere. Or only half.
I think mmorpg.com should be more open to other countries, so if a game is released, it is released. Wether it gets translated into Spanish, Japanese, Ancient Greek or English doesn't matter.
Many of the games you enjoy aren't US originally, like Anarchy Online (Funcom, Norway), EVE Online (CCP Games, Island), Final Fantasy XI (Square Enix, Japan). We can go even further back, Tolkien was born to British parents in what today is South Africa.
What about World of Warcraft? Well, Blizzard itself is an US company, and so is Activision. But Vivendi is from France..
Also it's funny when you say "it's not released for me" or "just because you can sign-up...". But the other way round it's ok?
Also take a look at many of the other games (the ones before you discovered MMOs..).
So either initial release (when released one after another in several countries, take the first or the latest..) or maximum extent (which would delay "release" for years sometimes. What if you decide after years "ok, obivously this is going nowhere from here" and set it "live", and then they release it in Japan or so?).
Many famous economist think that China or India will supersede US as biggest market etc within a few years, too.
So please stop being so ego-centric. There is no need for it.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
I looked around TCoS site and I could have missed it, but they didn't say anywhere that they are officially live either. For example Warhammer did HERE.
Anyways it's pretty easy to tell this is primarily a US site as there's no option to change the site language, if you do a WHOIS it's based in Hawaii, and the tangible contest items are generally only shipped to people in the US or NA. I could be wrong on that last one though, but I remember someone complaining about them not being eligible because they weren't from the US/NA. Anyways If it really bothers you there's always mmosite.com that lists it as final. I visit quite a few sites myself as each one has different games listed.
Honestly though it shouldn't be a big deal as there's a number of games that are listed as something other than released and they have been out for a awhile. For example Eternal Lands, Pirate King Online, and so on. Granted they haven't had as much money put into them to make them huge, but they are still enjoyable games too.
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I agree with the OP - it doesn't matter whether the game has only gone live to a small part of its intended eventual audience, it is still live and should be listed that way. It might, as the OP says, give the thing some profile and help boost interest in it.
To continue to list it as 'in development' simply because it hasn't gone live for those who live in the self-proclaimed centre of the universe is wrong.
I think you should change its designation now.
The TCoS that will be listed here when released will be the Acclaim NA version. That version has not released, and since it has not even managed a beta, it is "in development".
If TCoS was being released worldwide under one publisher, then it would have already been listed as "released".
When any game, asian or otherwise, obtains an official NA or international version, that version is the one placed here.
It's really quite simple when people don't try to over-think it.
This has boiled down to a battle of tits, and none of you are sporting double Ds
The TCoS that will be listed here when released will be the Acclaim NA version. That version has not released, and since it has not even managed a beta, it is "in development".
If TCoS was being released worldwide under one publisher, then it would have already been listed as "released".
When any game, asian or otherwise, obtains an official NA or international version, that version is the one placed here.
It's really quite simple when people don't try to over-think it.
Says who...?
And what exactly do you mean when you say 'international version' ?
The fact is that this game has been handled differently from most. If you live in the countries where it's been released, then it's not 'in development', it's very much live. What we're saying is that this site should recognise that.
This is a stupid bloody argument, by the way...
Yeah the US doesn't have the clout it once carried as a country anymore in the eyes of the world... I'm afraid this is the begining of a trend that US gamers will probably see titles released last in the world instead of first.
I blame Bush, lol
I agree with the OP, it should be listed in Live.
The TCoS that will be listed here when released will be the Acclaim NA version. That version has not released, and since it has not even managed a beta, it is "in development".
If TCoS was being released worldwide under one publisher, then it would have already been listed as "released".
When any game, asian or otherwise, obtains an official NA or international version, that version is the one placed here.
It's really quite simple when people don't try to over-think it.
Says who...?
And what exactly do you mean when you say 'international version' ?
The fact is that this game has been handled differently from most. If you live in the countries where it's been released, then it's not 'in development', it's very much live. What we're saying is that this site should recognise that.
This is a stupid bloody argument, by the way...
Says my experience with this site over the last 5 years.
And an international version is what many asian games that open up to the western market call their English server or version.
And it is not being handled any differently than any other game, so your right. It's a stupid bloody argument.
Yeah the US doesn't have the clout it once carried as a country anymore in the eyes of the world... I'm afraid this is the begining of a trend that US gamers will probably see titles released last in the world instead of first.
I blame Bush, lol
Oh, give up.
The only titles to go to EU before NA are TCoS ( who had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find a publisher here ) and Darkfall ( who aren't allowed to use the name "Darkfall" in the U.S. and also can't find any reputable publisher to touch them ).
This game should not be listed as a released game.
Not because it was not released in the US, but because it was not released to the mass public yet. It was only given to a small area. To make a long story short. If it were released in NEW YORK, AND NEW JERSEY it should not be on the released list. mmorpg view is that released games list is for anyone to look at the list, and be able to purchase the game.
Sounds to me that the OP is just trying to clam un-justifiable predigest. And for the life of me I just can't understand why so many people are even arguing it.
Im all for mmorpg.com listing this game as "live" and while they are at it they can make a whole category for asian and euro made games so theres less garbage to sift through when youre looking for a good game to try out.
1) Read #42 because that a fact.
2) Say the game is moved to the released games list and it never goes full scale. What is mmorpg to do, remove it off the released game list ?........ That would make mmorpge un-professional, causing them to loose credibility just like their fans that make squishy statements...........RIGHT !!!!
3) Stupid topic anyway !!!!!
I'm playing it so it's alive, bye
If the current release area isn't mass public, then I'm afraid a game released in USA only doesn't count as released to mass public either because that would make whole USA a small area. It looks like mmorpg.com lists games as released based on wether they are released in USA or not released in USA, and that's it, it's understandable from an America website but there's no need to claim that other parts of the world are insignificant because of it.
Sadly due to poor marketing and even worse publishers TCoS is dead in the water. It doesn't matter that is hasn't released yet in most area it appears to already be finished before it really started.
and people like you make the game more more dead.
and people like you make the game more more dead.
Why? Because he stated a probable fact that anyone is free to confirm? TCoS will be gone before Acclaim ever manages to get it running in NA with the current state of affairs. These people aren't SOE, they can't afford to keep a zombie alive, especially when the zombie has never even been fed to begin with.
and people like you make the game more more dead.
Why? Because he stated a probable fact that anyone is free to confirm? TCoS will be gone before Acclaim ever manages to get it running in NA with the current state of affairs. These people aren't SOE, they can't afford to keep a zombie alive, especially when the zombie has never even been fed to begin with.
I don't know what i'm doing wrong but... I downloaded the US client, made an account with acclaim, and tried to log in... TCoS stated that anyone could play for free till around lvl 7 to test it out before subscribing. So why did Acclaim make all accounts pending to not let people try it out... honestly I just want to check it out before deciding to subscribe to it.
and people like you make the game more more dead.
Why? Because he stated a probable fact that anyone is free to confirm? TCoS will be gone before Acclaim ever manages to get it running in NA with the current state of affairs. These people aren't SOE, they can't afford to keep a zombie alive, especially when the zombie has never even been fed to begin with.
I don't know what i'm doing wrong but... I downloaded the US client, made an account with acclaim, and tried to log in... TCoS stated that anyone could play for free till around lvl 7 to test it out before subscribing. So why did Acclaim make all accounts pending to not let people try it out... honestly I just want to check it out before deciding to subscribe to it.
If you downloaded a U.S. client and made an Acclaim account, you just wasted a whole lot of bandwidth, time, and effort for nothing. Acclaim doesn't even have the beta client ready yet.