... MO says on their homepage they have been developing it for years already, also says that they have plans on releasing later this year with beta beginning this summer if not earlier.
Empty claims perhaps... but so far they have not said anything they havent delivered on, ofc you can still doubt whatever you want to... but I dont see why as for now I shouldnt believe them.
and as for sweden being a small country and etc... how does that matter? wasnt eve online made by a studio in finland? yes it was.
MO is just vaporware, its even "developed" in Sweden.....much smaller country then Greece. TCoS seems to be a really nice PvE MMO (i have just dl it) but its no DF.
Country comparison is just plain wrong. If you want to compare likelihood of something getting released, lets look at the facts (short version, they keep on going similarly).
Greece - population 10.7 million, GDP 315 billion USD, state budget income 115 billion/expenditures 124 billion.
Sweden - population 9.0 million, GDP 455 million USD, state budget income 249 billion/ependitures 233 billion.
Sweden is one of the most technolgically advanced countries in the world, including probably every aspect of economy. They have even made some good games, Battlefield 1942 and follow ups come to mind first.
Still, can't say anything about MO. Im not from Sweden
Dice are from Sweden? If so Sweden rocks, but basing how good a game will be on the country it's made in is a bit silly.I base it on the people developing it and the information I can get on thier product. At the moment all I know about Aventurine is that they're a 20-30 man semi-pro team of coders, and as for thier product I've seen a couple of videos that show very little of anything.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
... MO says on their homepage they have been developing it for years already, also says that they have plans on releasing later this year with beta beginning this summer if not earlier. Empty claims perhaps... but so far they have not said anything they havent delivered on, ofc you can still doubt whatever you want to... but I dont see why as for now I shouldnt believe them. and as for sweden being a small country and etc... how does that matter? wasnt eve online made by a studio in finland? yes it was. kthxbai.
a very noteworthy point about eve, ty narakuu... it will interesting indeed to see what happens down the future... what will the game market be like then, and could we all be wrong, and something unexpected from leftfield come out that no one anticipated... again more hypothetical scenarios... as for MO yeah it does seem they have made some pretty unrealistic claims about beta testing when they seem to be obviously in Alpha stage atm... but again the factor of the unreal engine could prove to speed up development and surprise us all, but who knows... other than that we can be hopeful... as for DF and MO and say hypothetically they both succeed, I can foresee a scenario that DF will keep it's subscribers but most of them will probably subscribe to MO as well (I probably would play both)... as for TCoS... i'll give it a try but it would really have to hook me from the beginning and keep me interested at higher lvls.
.. Empty claims perhaps... but so far they have not said anything they havent delivered on
Considering they said the game would be released in SPRING, and now its beta testing in the summer, thats already one delay....
still at least they are forethcoming with information and that in-and-of-itself is a good sign... if the delay is due further testing cycles from version to version then I would rather have them fix and address any serious code issues early on
.. Empty claims perhaps... but so far they have not said anything they havent delivered on
Considering they said the game would be released in SPRING, and now its beta testing in the summer, thats already one delay....
I misplaced beta with release, actually this is what I read several months ago
Q: When will it be released?
A: During summer 2009
and I dont know if they ever promised a release in spring? but anyway... this is what it says and has said on their official site for quite some time now.
and as for sweden being a small country and etc... how does that matter? wasnt eve online made by a studio in finland? yes it was. kthxbai.
Don't know about Finnish involvement, but developer and publisher of EVE is CCP Games from Reykjavik, Iceland. Talk about small country, 300k some population.
I have to agree with hidden1 on this. At least mo is giving us some information on whats going on and seting dates for them to work towards. Yeah of course they will prolly even extend the beta release past the summer are we all really going to believe that after every other company that made a mmo said they were going to release on x date to only find out that they extended. Were not gullible anymore.
A speculative and hypothetical scenario that could happen is that if both DF and MO are successful, I could see both devs. feeding off each other ideas back and forth, and the winners are the subscribers in that scenario... Let's hope this is how it all plays out
I have to agree with hidden1 on this. At least mo is giving us some information on whats going on and seting dates for them to work towards. Yeah of course they will prolly even extend the beta release past the summer are we all really going to believe that after every other company that made a mmo said they were going to release on x date to only find out that they extended. Were not gullible anymore.
and beyond not gullible is that we, gaming community have become more educated in the inner workings of the dev process... i think we are more understanding when a company is forth coming w/ delays due to 11th hour software bugs... this is understandable... let's hope that Adventurine takes a page from MO's devs after the 22nd, because after release it would be a good idea for them to be more communicative w/ their subscribers (potential or otherwise)... it just makes for sound business sense to keep your subscribers informed and happy.
Originally posted by Boraak Country comparison is just plain wrong. If you want to compare likelihood of something getting released, lets look at the facts (short version, they keep on going similarly). Greece - population 10.7 million, GDP 315 billion USD, state budget income 115 billion/expenditures 124 billion. Sweden - population 9.0 million, GDP 455 million USD, state budget income 249 billion/ependitures 233 billion. Sweden is one of the most technolgically advanced countries in the world, including probably every aspect of economy. They have even made some good games, Battlefield 1942 and follow ups come to mind first. Still, can't say anything about MO. Im not from Sweden
I wouldn't really say thats relevent. I'm not a big fan of EU but as far any kind of skilled occupation goes it does effectively make Europe 1 big country with 500m people as shown by DF dev team which consist of people from multiple countries, the key people are from Norway for instance. All your figures show really is that the Swedish pay a lot more tax (it starts at about 40% I think), GPD includes government spending so it would be higher. Sweden is a more technologically advanced than Greece but the difference probably isn't enormous like say between Sweden and Morocco.
Originally posted by Boraak Country comparison is just plain wrong. If you want to compare likelihood of something getting released, lets look at the facts (short version, they keep on going similarly). Greece - population 10.7 million, GDP 315 billion USD, state budget income 115 billion/expenditures 124 billion. Sweden - population 9.0 million, GDP 455 million USD, state budget income 249 billion/ependitures 233 billion. Sweden is one of the most technolgically advanced countries in the world, including probably every aspect of economy. They have even made some good games, Battlefield 1942 and follow ups come to mind first. Still, can't say anything about MO. Im not from Sweden
I wouldn't really say thats relevent. I'm not a big fan of EU but as far any kind of skilled occupation goes it does effectively make Europe 1 big country with 500m people as shown by DF dev team which consist of people from multiple countries, the key people are from Norway for instance. All your figures show really is that the Swedish pay a lot more tax (it starts at about 40% I think), GPD includes government spending so it would be higher. Sweden is a more technologically advanced than Greece but the difference probably isn't enormous like say between Sweden and Morocco.
ty for brining up another good point, Blodpls, that DF's dev team is a very diverse group of people which can lead one to speculate further that they did have a broad market in mind from the very beginning.
TCoS is boring, don't really know a better word to describe it. Furthermore, it's made to be a PvE game, can't really see it being anykind of threat to DF.
MO? I'm still not sure how well U3 engine can handle big PvP battles with hudreds of people (like sieges), that will be maybe the biggest issue with MO. Same of course goes to DF, but that's something Aventurine has been focusing on from day 1.
Choosing between two ready games (DF and MO) would be a problem I would love to have
IF DF launches (I personally think it will and that it will be decent)...
IF the game is in a playable state and hasnt been pushed out half finished because the money has run out...
IF DF has 70% of the content promised at launch...
IF the 'hardcore' fanbase of cheesy PKs (a lot of who that will be from the US and just acting like asshats on the EU server because they think they can escape to their own server a little later on) don't create a fundamentally hateful and nasty world...
IF the crafters, socialisers, explorers, builders, decent people, can get a foothold in the first few weeks alongside the mad dogs and outnumber the PKs by around 10:1...
...then I will play DF for good.
IF this all goes horribly wrong, then I will play TCoS. I have tried the EU version, and I like it a lot. I would prefer the bite of DF, but it's engaging enough to invest myself in until Jumpgate: Evolution launches and I can give that a go.
I guess what i am trying to say in a round about way here is that although I want DF to succeed badly, It is good to know that I have another game I know that I enjoy (for different reasons) to move to if it dosent.
TCoS is boring, don't really know a better word to describe it. Furthermore, it's made to be a PvE game, can't really see it being anykind of threat to DF. MO? I'm still not sure how well U3 engine can handle big PvP battles with hudreds of people (like sieges), that will be maybe the biggest issue with MO. Same of course goes to DF, but that's something Aventurine has been focusing on from day 1. Choosing between two ready games (DF and MO) would be a problem I would love to have
Yeah that could be the best scenario for us all that DF and MO both succeed
Awww too bad about TCoS... i had my hopes for that one, and David Perry is an old-school game producer w/ a somewhat strong following (at least back in the Genesis days)... what's boring about it, i've been wanting to try it out... is it too much instancing and not enough pvp? or just not enough content at launch? or is it that the gameplay is slow and not exciting... i'm curious
IF DF launches (I personally think it will and that it will be decent)... IF the game is in a playable state and hasnt been pushed out half finished because the money has run out... IF DF has 70% of the content promised at launch... IF the 'hardcore' fanbase of cheesy PKs (a lot of who that will be from the US and just acting like asshats on the EU server because they think they can escape to their own server a little later on) don't create a fundamentally hateful and nasty world... IF the crafters, socialisers, explorers, builders, decent people, can get a foothold in the first few weeks alongside the mad dogs and outnumber the PKs by around 10:1...
...then I will play DF for good. IF this all goes horribly wrong, then I will play TCoS. I have tried the EU version, and I like it a lot. I would prefer the bite of DF, but it's engaging enough to invest myself in until Jumpgate: Evolution launches and I can give that a go. I guess what i am trying to say in a round about way here is that although I want DF to succeed badly, It is good to know that I have another game I know that I enjoy (for different reasons) to move to if it dosent.
ty vesavius, you also bring up good points... and an interesting one to speculate on as well...i did see some vids on Jumpgate Evolution and found that to be interesting as well
Hmm...maybe people will play TCoS when it is out in the other 70 percent of the world....
As for MO...it looks way more interesting and deep in my own opinion without going too deep into either DF or MO, but I have a feeling neither is going to be released for a while, where TCoS will be out pretty soon. For those that say TCoS can't really be compared to DF I disagree, because for me these are the types of games I would rather play than the crap that has been coming out. In my mind...they do compete and I do believe I am a gamer that will decide in the outcome of the competiton lol. But I would play MO or DF over TCoS assuming they come out with all of the features that they are promising...but I doubt that will happen any time soon.
Just typed a decent response to this and hit backspace, shit ><
Anyway, what I basically typed is: TCOS has nothing really in common with this game other than they both have real time combat, skill based systems. Other than that they have different fanbases, and TCOS fanbase is a lot smaller since it was already small and they halved it with the IP blocks.
MO is no where near release, and when it does release assuming both Darkfall and Mortal are what they claim to be then Darkfall has the advantage since it obviously has lower system requirements than Mortal, as well as this theres not much that separates both games gameplay on paper.
Since Darkfall will come out first there is a good chance that Mortal wont get a significant look since theres not much of a difference between the games on paper. Also since it will be out later there is a good chance that Darkfall could of had additional polish and content added in the time it takes to release Mortal.
Other than Mortal there are not really any games in Darkfalls intended niche, hence why everyone puts up with Aventurines bullshit, theres simply no other game to satisfy their niche.
@vesavius: also I wanted to say that sadly your assesment of the "asshats" as you put it tend to be from the US... me being American, I can admit to seeing this on almost every MMO i've played, and seeing by their usual comment and banter propogated against a lot of EU players... My goodness I can tell you stories about that in Hellgate, RFonline, WoW alone... I know I'm getting off topic for a bit, but one thing for sure it does preplex me that most us American players seem to be of a poor quality of maturity... I've often been mistaken when I assumed they were just teenagers (which can be forgivable), but it turned out they were 30 something adults ; of which was quite surprising... In general I think this is probably a sort of American "Neurosis" that is predominant in our society... and sadly it is probably due to inexperience as a country as a whole wherein we had never suffered 2 world wars in our own country... I believe the EU community to be more mature than us primarily because you have suffered many wars in your own backyard so to speak, and Europe being the founders of western civilisation to the creators of beuracracy, and evolution of the Arts/philosphy/science/etc.. wherein our country is still relatively young and naive... perhaps this all just reflects on our people... and perhaps we have grown complacent w/out our successes, and hence perhaps arrogant from that aspect... maybe we need a war in our own backyard to understand and refelct upon our own innability to become a more mature nation and hence a more mature people...
So in retrospect I do agree with you vesavius, and I hope that this dialog serves to change that perception of us Americans as childish, immature and naive... or as you put it "asshats"... Maybe I am just a small portion of Americans that feels that way, but I can hope for the best... As populations grow, the world grows just a bit smaller, and everyone needs to become more civilized toward one another, or things could start to get ugly for humanity as a whole... Well I for one can understand why most EU players feel the way you do about us... but let's hope that in the future we Americans can grow up a bit and fit more cohesevely w/ the EU gamer community... peace, love and civility my friends
Originally posted by Boraak Country comparison is just plain wrong. If you want to compare likelihood of something getting released, lets look at the facts (short version, they keep on going similarly). Greece - population 10.7 million, GDP 315 billion USD, state budget income 115 billion/expenditures 124 billion. Sweden - population 9.0 million, GDP 455 million USD, state budget income 249 billion/ependitures 233 billion. Sweden is one of the most technolgically advanced countries in the world, including probably every aspect of economy. They have even made some good games, Battlefield 1942 and follow ups come to mind first. Still, can't say anything about MO. Im not from Sweden
I wouldn't really say thats relevent. I'm not a big fan of EU but as far any kind of skilled occupation goes it does effectively make Europe 1 big country with 500m people as shown by DF dev team which consist of people from multiple countries, the key people are from Norway for instance. All your figures show really is that the Swedish pay a lot more tax (it starts at about 40% I think), GPD includes government spending so it would be higher. Sweden is a more technologically advanced than Greece but the difference probably isn't enormous like say between Sweden and Morocco.
All they show is that Swedish pay more tax? They have to have something to pay the tax with in that case don't you think. Anyway, the figures keep going on in industrial production etc, go ahead look them up yourself, they arent my figures.
The original point with the figures anyway was to point out to that a previous statement, making Greek superior over Swedish in game development based on number of population, is flawed. And thats all what it was for. Many if not most European game projects are multinational anyway, including people from several countries. Having look at the participants for example in making Crysis shows that. What makes game beeing from one country or other anyway? Is it the nationality of majority of the owners, country of registration of the mother company or location of head office, location of main development office, largest number of people participating from a nation.
@vesavius: also I wanted to say that sadly your assesment of the "asshats" as you put it tend to be from the US... me being American, I can admit to seeing this on almost every MMO i've played, and seeing by their usual comment and banter propogated against a lot of EU players... My goodness I can tell you stories about that in Hellgate, RFonline, WoW alone... I know I'm getting off topic for a bit, but one thing for sure it does preplex me that most us American players seem to be of a poor quality of maturity... I've often been mistaken when I assumed they were just teenagers (which can be forgivable), but it turned out they were 30 something adults ; of which was quite surprising... I general I think this is probably a sort of American "Neurosis" that is predominant in our society... and sadly it is probably due to inexperience as a country as a whole wherein we had never suffered 2 world wars in our own country... I believe the EU community to be more mature than us primarily because you have suffered many wars in your own backyard so to speak, wherein our country is stil relatively young and naive... perhaps this all just reflects on our people... maybe we need a war in our own backyard to understand and refelct upon our own innability to become a more mature nation and hence a more mature people... So in retrospect I do agree with you vesavius, and I hope that this dialog serves to change that perception of us Americans and childish and naive... or as you put it "asshats"... I for one can understand why most EU players feel the way you do about us... but let's hope that in the future we Americans can grow up a bit and fit more cohesevely w/ the EU gamer community... peace an civility my friends
Well, thanks for not taking what I said the wrong way, many would have.
I don't think that all Americans are asshats or anything, I am certainly not ant-US, but I was just posting based on the posts on Forumfall about how the US guys there want to come to the EU server and act like @+=?%^ because they believe they it won't matter to them in the long run and they will have no accountability because they will have their own server in a little while to run off to.
I believe the EU community to be more mature than us
Been playing almost everything since release of UO, mixed servers and EU servers, and what I have seen as European is that the degree of maturity is not that different. Probably it comes down to beeing able to be anononymous without real consequence.
I believe the EU community to be more mature than us
Been playing almost everything since release of UO, mixed servers and EU servers, and what I have seen as European is that the degree of maturity is not that different. Probably it comes down to beeing able to be anononymous without real consequence.
yeah... i guess it comes down to circumstance.... it my case it's always us Americans who cause the disturbances in the games i've played, and you do get to know where people are from the more you play in the MMO one is currently in... i find Americans, and followed by the British, as the most immature players... albeit it seems in my experiences us Americans are in a league or our own when compared to the British. Arrogance of not only badgering other players but bragging about how great we are, and how much better it is in America (all nationalistic rubbish if you ask me)... I can't tell you all how many times i've been embarassed to mention I'm form America in the games i've played in... it's really sad.. as far as the British, i've seen them get a tad nasty from time to time but that is usually not withoug provocation first and foremost... When it comes to this type of behavior, i can attest from gaming experience alone, that overall I found the nicest and helpful players to be German/Polish/Sweedish/Greeks and followed by various other EU people... I only wish more American's would act a bit more civilized and not brag how great the US is and make fun of other peoples countries... it's really sad to see that, and as an American myself I feel a bit ashamed each time a fellow citizen represents himself in the world gaming community w/ such arrogance and ignorance... I think we Americans need to be more humble as a country and as a people but that's just my opinion.
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... MO says on their homepage they have been developing it for years already, also says that they have plans on releasing later this year with beta beginning this summer if not earlier.
Empty claims perhaps... but so far they have not said anything they havent delivered on, ofc you can still doubt whatever you want to... but I dont see why as for now I shouldnt believe them.
and as for sweden being a small country and etc... how does that matter? wasnt eve online made by a studio in finland? yes it was.
kthxbai.
Country comparison is just plain wrong. If you want to compare likelihood of something getting released, lets look at the facts (short version, they keep on going similarly).
Greece - population 10.7 million, GDP 315 billion USD, state budget income 115 billion/expenditures 124 billion.
Sweden - population 9.0 million, GDP 455 million USD, state budget income 249 billion/ependitures 233 billion.
Sweden is one of the most technolgically advanced countries in the world, including probably every aspect of economy. They have even made some good games, Battlefield 1942 and follow ups come to mind first.
Still, can't say anything about MO. Im not from Sweden
Dice are from Sweden? If so Sweden rocks, but basing how good a game will be on the country it's made in is a bit silly.I base it on the people developing it and the information I can get on thier product. At the moment all I know about Aventurine is that they're a 20-30 man semi-pro team of coders, and as for thier product I've seen a couple of videos that show very little of anything.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
a very noteworthy point about eve, ty narakuu... it will interesting indeed to see what happens down the future... what will the game market be like then, and could we all be wrong, and something unexpected from leftfield come out that no one anticipated... again more hypothetical scenarios... as for MO yeah it does seem they have made some pretty unrealistic claims about beta testing when they seem to be obviously in Alpha stage atm... but again the factor of the unreal engine could prove to speed up development and surprise us all, but who knows... other than that we can be hopeful... as for DF and MO and say hypothetically they both succeed, I can foresee a scenario that DF will keep it's subscribers but most of them will probably subscribe to MO as well (I probably would play both)... as for TCoS... i'll give it a try but it would really have to hook me from the beginning and keep me interested at higher lvls.
Considering they said the game would be released in SPRING, and now its beta testing in the summer, thats already one delay....
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Considering they said the game would be released in SPRING, and now its beta testing in the summer, thats already one delay....
still at least they are forethcoming with information and that in-and-of-itself is a good sign... if the delay is due further testing cycles from version to version then I would rather have them fix and address any serious code issues early on
Considering they said the game would be released in SPRING, and now its beta testing in the summer, thats already one delay....
I misplaced beta with release, actually this is what I read several months ago
Q: When will it be released?
A: During summer 2009
and I dont know if they ever promised a release in spring? but anyway... this is what it says and has said on their official site for quite some time now.
Don't know about Finnish involvement, but developer and publisher of EVE is CCP Games from Reykjavik, Iceland. Talk about small country, 300k some population.
I have to agree with hidden1 on this. At least mo is giving us some information on whats going on and seting dates for them to work towards. Yeah of course they will prolly even extend the beta release past the summer are we all really going to believe that after every other company that made a mmo said they were going to release on x date to only find out that they extended. Were not gullible anymore.
A speculative and hypothetical scenario that could happen is that if both DF and MO are successful, I could see both devs. feeding off each other ideas back and forth, and the winners are the subscribers in that scenario... Let's hope this is how it all plays out
and beyond not gullible is that we, gaming community have become more educated in the inner workings of the dev process... i think we are more understanding when a company is forth coming w/ delays due to 11th hour software bugs... this is understandable... let's hope that Adventurine takes a page from MO's devs after the 22nd, because after release it would be a good idea for them to be more communicative w/ their subscribers (potential or otherwise)... it just makes for sound business sense to keep your subscribers informed and happy.
I wouldn't really say thats relevent. I'm not a big fan of EU but as far any kind of skilled occupation goes it does effectively make Europe 1 big country with 500m people as shown by DF dev team which consist of people from multiple countries, the key people are from Norway for instance. All your figures show really is that the Swedish pay a lot more tax (it starts at about 40% I think), GPD includes government spending so it would be higher. Sweden is a more technologically advanced than Greece but the difference probably isn't enormous like say between Sweden and Morocco.
I wouldn't really say thats relevent. I'm not a big fan of EU but as far any kind of skilled occupation goes it does effectively make Europe 1 big country with 500m people as shown by DF dev team which consist of people from multiple countries, the key people are from Norway for instance. All your figures show really is that the Swedish pay a lot more tax (it starts at about 40% I think), GPD includes government spending so it would be higher. Sweden is a more technologically advanced than Greece but the difference probably isn't enormous like say between Sweden and Morocco.
ty for brining up another good point, Blodpls, that DF's dev team is a very diverse group of people which can lead one to speculate further that they did have a broad market in mind from the very beginning.
TCoS is boring, don't really know a better word to describe it. Furthermore, it's made to be a PvE game, can't really see it being anykind of threat to DF.
MO? I'm still not sure how well U3 engine can handle big PvP battles with hudreds of people (like sieges), that will be maybe the biggest issue with MO. Same of course goes to DF, but that's something Aventurine has been focusing on from day 1.
Choosing between two ready games (DF and MO) would be a problem I would love to have
/shrug
...then I will play DF for good.
IF this all goes horribly wrong, then I will play TCoS. I have tried the EU version, and I like it a lot. I would prefer the bite of DF, but it's engaging enough to invest myself in until Jumpgate: Evolution launches and I can give that a go.
I guess what i am trying to say in a round about way here is that although I want DF to succeed badly, It is good to know that I have another game I know that I enjoy (for different reasons) to move to if it dosent.
Until Darkfall has a beta leak then I can actually judge it from the other game.
Yeah that could be the best scenario for us all that DF and MO both succeed
Awww too bad about TCoS... i had my hopes for that one, and David Perry is an old-school game producer w/ a somewhat strong following (at least back in the Genesis days)... what's boring about it, i've been wanting to try it out... is it too much instancing and not enough pvp? or just not enough content at launch? or is it that the gameplay is slow and not exciting... i'm curious
ty vesavius, you also bring up good points... and an interesting one to speculate on as well...i did see some vids on Jumpgate Evolution and found that to be interesting as well
Hmm...maybe people will play TCoS when it is out in the other 70 percent of the world....
As for MO...it looks way more interesting and deep in my own opinion without going too deep into either DF or MO, but I have a feeling neither is going to be released for a while, where TCoS will be out pretty soon. For those that say TCoS can't really be compared to DF I disagree, because for me these are the types of games I would rather play than the crap that has been coming out. In my mind...they do compete and I do believe I am a gamer that will decide in the outcome of the competiton lol. But I would play MO or DF over TCoS assuming they come out with all of the features that they are promising...but I doubt that will happen any time soon.
Just typed a decent response to this and hit backspace, shit ><
Anyway, what I basically typed is: TCOS has nothing really in common with this game other than they both have real time combat, skill based systems. Other than that they have different fanbases, and TCOS fanbase is a lot smaller since it was already small and they halved it with the IP blocks.
MO is no where near release, and when it does release assuming both Darkfall and Mortal are what they claim to be then Darkfall has the advantage since it obviously has lower system requirements than Mortal, as well as this theres not much that separates both games gameplay on paper.
Since Darkfall will come out first there is a good chance that Mortal wont get a significant look since theres not much of a difference between the games on paper. Also since it will be out later there is a good chance that Darkfall could of had additional polish and content added in the time it takes to release Mortal.
Other than Mortal there are not really any games in Darkfalls intended niche, hence why everyone puts up with Aventurines bullshit, theres simply no other game to satisfy their niche.
@vesavius: also I wanted to say that sadly your assesment of the "asshats" as you put it tend to be from the US... me being American, I can admit to seeing this on almost every MMO i've played, and seeing by their usual comment and banter propogated against a lot of EU players... My goodness I can tell you stories about that in Hellgate, RFonline, WoW alone... I know I'm getting off topic for a bit, but one thing for sure it does preplex me that most us American players seem to be of a poor quality of maturity... I've often been mistaken when I assumed they were just teenagers (which can be forgivable), but it turned out they were 30 something adults
; of which was quite surprising... In general I think this is probably a sort of American "Neurosis" that is predominant in our society... and sadly it is probably due to inexperience as a country as a whole wherein we had never suffered 2 world wars in our own country... I believe the EU community to be more mature than us primarily because you have suffered many wars in your own backyard so to speak, and Europe being the founders of western civilisation to the creators of beuracracy, and evolution of the Arts/philosphy/science/etc.. wherein our country is still relatively young and naive... perhaps this all just reflects on our people... and perhaps we have grown complacent w/out our successes, and hence perhaps arrogant from that aspect... maybe we need a war in our own backyard to understand and refelct upon our own innability to become a more mature nation and hence a more mature people...
So in retrospect I do agree with you vesavius, and I hope that this dialog serves to change that perception of us Americans as childish, immature and naive... or as you put it "asshats"... Maybe I am just a small portion of Americans that feels that way, but I can hope for the best... As populations grow, the world grows just a bit smaller, and everyone needs to become more civilized toward one another, or things could start to get ugly for humanity as a whole... Well I for one can understand why most EU players feel the way you do about us... but let's hope that in the future we Americans can grow up a bit and fit more cohesevely w/ the EU gamer community... peace, love and civility my friends
All they show is that Swedish pay more tax? They have to have something to pay the tax with in that case don't you think. Anyway, the figures keep going on in industrial production etc, go ahead look them up yourself, they arent my figures.
The original point with the figures anyway was to point out to that a previous statement, making Greek superior over Swedish in game development based on number of population, is flawed. And thats all what it was for. Many if not most European game projects are multinational anyway, including people from several countries. Having look at the participants for example in making Crysis shows that. What makes game beeing from one country or other anyway? Is it the nationality of majority of the owners, country of registration of the mother company or location of head office, location of main development office, largest number of people participating from a nation.
Well, thanks for not taking what I said the wrong way, many would have.
I don't think that all Americans are asshats or anything, I am certainly not ant-US, but I was just posting based on the posts on Forumfall about how the US guys there want to come to the EU server and act like @+=?%^ because they believe they it won't matter to them in the long run and they will have no accountability because they will have their own server in a little while to run off to.
Forumfall needs more guys like you posting.
Been playing almost everything since release of UO, mixed servers and EU servers, and what I have seen as European is that the degree of maturity is not that different. Probably it comes down to beeing able to be anononymous without real consequence.
The Chronicles of Spellborn reminds me of LOTR online, looks so borning to play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGVn04S-B5c&feature=related
ZzzzZZzz gameplay if you ask me, just watch it
Been playing almost everything since release of UO, mixed servers and EU servers, and what I have seen as European is that the degree of maturity is not that different. Probably it comes down to beeing able to be anononymous without real consequence.
yeah... i guess it comes down to circumstance.... it my case it's always us Americans who cause the disturbances in the games i've played, and you do get to know where people are from the more you play in the MMO one is currently in... i find Americans, and followed by the British, as the most immature players... albeit it seems in my experiences us Americans are in a league or our own when compared to the British. Arrogance of not only badgering other players but bragging about how great we are, and how much better it is in America (all nationalistic rubbish if you ask me)... I can't tell you all how many times i've been embarassed to mention I'm form America in the games i've played in... it's really sad.. as far as the British, i've seen them get a tad nasty from time to time but that is usually not withoug provocation first and foremost... When it comes to this type of behavior, i can attest from gaming experience alone, that overall I found the nicest and helpful players to be German/Polish/Sweedish/Greeks and followed by various other EU people... I only wish more American's would act a bit more civilized and not brag how great the US is and make fun of other peoples countries... it's really sad to see that, and as an American myself I feel a bit ashamed each time a fellow citizen represents himself in the world gaming community w/ such arrogance and ignorance... I think we Americans need to be more humble as a country and as a people but that's just my opinion.