Hell yes the IQ dropped around here. Christs sakes look at the top thread; it's about some retarded border color "joke" with a bunch of dingleberries jumping on the "joke" like it's toilet paper. And these same people are calling others excited about this game stupid? WTF?
free trial that will allow everyone to see the offered product and make an informed decision as to purchase on launch, wait, or walk away- check
Tasos already said that not everyone will get to try the game before release. What part of that did you not understand?
The part where your parents let you use a PC unattended?
Look, once more for you, to help you catch up;
The free play will generate 1000s of independant reviews, SS, maps and a slew of other player info about this game, good and bad, enabling you to make an informed decision whether to pre-order, wait, or walk away.
Clear now?
Oh really? I must have missed the part of the announcement that stated that the NDA would be lifted.
The way I read it, is that the release candidate client will be Distributed, and not made available on a first come, first served basis. Therefore the people that will be playing the free trial on the 22nd will be selected, and not random.
My favorite line of the whole statement, was this: "Interest in Darkfall has surpassed all our expectations to the point that we may need to manage our release differently."
When he stated that, did he really think that no one would see how utterly rediculous it sounded?
free trial that will allow everyone to see the offered product and make an informed decision as to purchase on launch, wait, or walk away- check
Tasos already said that not everyone will get to try the game before release. What part of that did you not understand?
The part where your parents let you use a PC unattended?
Look, once more for you, to help you catch up;
The free play will generate 1000s of independant reviews, SS, maps and a slew of other player info about this game, good and bad, enabling you to make an informed decision whether to pre-order, wait, or walk away.
Clear now?
Technically we don't know that yet.
We will have to wait until the 22nd to see if the NDA status is changed or not.
Just a question though...
If the NDA stays up on the 22nd... what will your reaction be?
How close to the new Feb. 25th launch date would it have to still be up before you thought it a problem?
The part where your parents let you use a PC unattended? Look, once more for you, to help you catch up; The free play will generate 1000s of independant reviews, SS, maps and a slew of other player info about this game, good and bad, enabling you to make an informed decision whether to pre-order, wait, or walk away. Clear now?
Yea, it says thousands. But hundreds of thousands want to play. So that means one out of a hundred people will get to try it.
free trial that will allow everyone to see the offered product and make an informed decision as to purchase on launch, wait, or walk away- check
Tasos already said that not everyone will get to try the game before release. What part of that did you not understand?
The part where your parents let you use a PC unattended?
Look, once more for you, to help you catch up;
The free play will generate 1000s of independant reviews, SS, maps and a slew of other player info about this game, good and bad, enabling you to make an informed decision whether to pre-order, wait, or walk away.
Clear now?
Technically we don't know that yet.
We will have to wait until the 22nd to see if the NDA status is changed or not.
Just a question though...
If the NDA stays up on the 22nd... what will your reaction be?
How close to the new Feb. 25th launch date would it have to still be up before you thought it a problem?
I could see the NDA reaming in effect up until 2 weeks before launch. So I'll give them until the 16. Its not like its all that uncommon to have it in effect until that time anyways. But either way, it doesn't affect me because I won't be buying it until it launches in NA, if it does.
Edit: Well ok if the game doesn't launch in NA with in 6months but is still going strong in EU then I'll probably buy it.
And who expected a indie company to launch servers for 300k people to play completely free pre-launch? 10k people online would be something like 25-30k players per server, 2 servers in open beta/free trial would have been enough a few months ago when Tasos made that promise but now they need at least 10. Probably even more in February.
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
And who expected a indie company to launch servers for 300k people to play completely free pre-launch? 10k people online would be something like 25-30k players per server, 2 servers in open beta/free trial would have been enough a few months ago when Tasos made that promise but now they need at least 10. Probably even more in February.
Indeed. I've always said that the max amount of people that would be allowed to play at launch would be about 50k since they are an indie company and they have hard capped their servers at 10k people. I expet this game to grow like EvE has, assuming the game is a moderate success at launch. If the launch is bad the game will fold.
The part where your parents let you use a PC unattended? Look, once more for you, to help you catch up; The free play will generate 1000s of independant reviews, SS, maps and a slew of other player info about this game, good and bad, enabling you to make an informed decision whether to pre-order, wait, or walk away. Clear now?
Yea, it says thousands. But hundreds of thousands want to play. So that means one out of a hundred people will get to try it.
Do you understand now?
When tasos says thousands he means hopefully more then 2 thousand but probably not much more then three thousand before pre orders start, trust me I know the man better then any of you and he tells me these things all the time.
These "thousands" will of course include the hundreds allready in closed beta.
The extra people added to make these two or three thousand before pre orders start will mostly be from affiliated guilds that have members in closed beta already, and people who can get a recommendation from friends and supporters already in beta.
If your not a member of a guild allready in beta or a friend or a supporter and can't get a recommendation from a friend or a supporter already in beta then just get ready to pre order, and hope you get accepted.
They had a few hundred testers in "closed public beta", now they are moving onto a few thousand in "limited open beta".
The majority of the beta leaks will continue to come from friends and supporters on damage control duty.
Tasos will not allow the majority of the community to try Darkfall before preordering because the majority of the community will not preorder after they try Darkfall.
They are now having to face the reality of the situation, they are in the unenviable situation of needing preorder revenue to finish the game, whilst beta and stress testing it, and at the same time setting up everything needed to launch it, they are obviously not going to allow anything within their control that might jeopardize maximum preorder revenue.
A very precarious juggling act and if there are any more problems (most likely) there will be even more delays and tight lips, I would say releasing an unfinished buggy game with features cut with a bad launch after taking preorders is the most likely outcome (so just the average normal MMO launch then) ,and probebly the most optimistic outcome, could be alot worse.
And who expected a indie company to launch servers for 300k people to play completely free pre-launch? 10k people online would be something like 25-30k players per server, 2 servers in open beta/free trial would have been enough a few months ago when Tasos made that promise but now they need at least 10. Probably even more in February.
EVER HEARD OF SOMETHING CALLED "SERVER CAP" ?
Care to explain why they couldn't do something like this RIGHT NOW?
You know.. where you only let on X amount of connections.
Just because there is a pre order, it doesnt mean you have to pre order if you dont want to because this isnt a game where it will matter if you have a late start- check
Actually, my new edits to Kyl's entries are in yellow. - check.
It is noones 'time' until launch. Pull your head in, or risk looking like a moron.
You are wrong.
A FFA PvP game with city building and resource control is ALWAYS a game that matters whether you have a late start. Those whom are serious about wanting to, not only play the game, but take a major part in getting a foothold in the world, are going to be at a major disadvantage if they, and their friends, do not get in early.
Its the equivalent to saying that a new guild to EVE would have any chance at seizing BoB's zero space. Its been far too long now, the massive corps have already placed their zone of control in those areas. It could take years to even hold the hope of giving yourself a place in that area...and thats in a game that has MASSIVE amounts of area to control.
If you and your guild are serious about playing DF....and having any amount of influence in that world, then you MUST get in ASAP. Its the very difference from being the ones who made the city and control the area...to being the ones begging to be let in and join the guild that did.
Your comments here a blatantly ignorant at best. I know you aren't ignorant, I'm well aware that you can be very intelligent. Its counterproductive to the many good things you have to say when you spount obvious crap like this.
I actually love these forums. I don't post much but I just read them for entertainment. The stuff in these forums are much much MUCH funnier than stuff on forumfall (especially the vaporware trolls).
I have nothing agenst the good "old school" trolling. But some of the trolling here right now is only creepy! The point is thats its only MMO. How can people that not about to play it....care so much. I would never go to a forum for a game, if im not interested in playing it. You wont see me at the WoW forum for example (if its not a general question). Even though i have some pretty strong view about the game.
if the darkfall "cult" had kept to the darkfall forums, and not plagued every forum on the internet for the past 4-6 months with their gospel of darkfall; then, you wouldn't have most of the trolling/hate you see on this forum.
but when, for a time, you could go anywhere and see "in your face vaporware trolls! my game is god!"; you have to expect some people to take offense at that type of stupidity.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
This forum have always have its lowmarks, but there have always been prople with the ability to form sentenses and discuss features with. Right now it seems as if all the people that couldent found anything meaningful to talk about before have somehow gathered here. To maybe in some way, to try and get back to track (yeah!, its a MMO forum) we could sum up what have happend? launch delayd - check free trial - check pre order in mid februari - check new launch date - check Just beacuae there is a free trial, you dont have to play if you dont want to - check Just because there is a pre order, it doesnt mean you have to pre order if you dont want to - check
Ahh, that felt really good. Now my trolling is done for today. Lets see if anyone can top it?
When you say drop that means your assuming that it was high at some point?
This forum have always have its lowmarks, but there have always been prople with the ability to form sentenses and discuss features with. Right now it seems as if all the people that couldent found anything meaningful to talk about before have somehow gathered here.
If you are going to insult another person's ability to post intelligently, at least have the common sense to check the spelling of words in your own post.
This forum have always have its lowmarks, but there have always been prople with the ability to form sentenses and discuss features with. Right now it seems as if all the people that couldent found anything meaningful to talk about before have somehow gathered here.
If you are going to insult another person's ability to post intelligently, at least have the common sense to check the spelling of words in your own post.
If you dont have any comment other than complaining about peoples spelling, I suggest you dont write anything at all. As a matter of fact it makes you look cocky and ignorant insted of smart like you want to.
This forum have always have its lowmarks, but there have always been prople with the ability to form sentenses and discuss features with. Right now it seems as if all the people that couldent found anything meaningful to talk about before have somehow gathered here. To maybe in some way, to try and get back to track (yeah!, its a MMO forum) we could sum up what have happend? launch delayd with open and honest explanations as to why- check -ABOUT TIME!! GAME WAS READY FOR LAUNCH LAST DECEMBER!! free trial that will allow everyone to see the offered product and make an informed decision as to purchase on launch, wait, or walk away- check pre order in mid februari that will be entirely optional and a personal choice- check --- STILL PROMISED BY TASOS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. BIG F'n CHECK!! new launch date for globally allowed servers- check Just beacuae there is a free trial, you dont have to play if you dont want to and you can instead rely on the reams of solid nformation to come out of it as to whether you want to play or not- check NO STAYING IF THIS IS GOING TO BE UNDER NDA OR NOT. Just because there is a pre order, it doesnt mean you have to pre order if you dont want to because this isnt a game where it will matter if you have a late start- check AND VESAVIUS HAS NEVER PLAYED AN PVP MMO BEFORE. APPARENTLY.
Let them bask in their glory. It is their time afterall.
Actually, my new edits to Kyl's entries are in yellow. - check.
It is noones 'time' until launch. Pull your head in, or risk looking like a moron.
I feel very sorry for you. You really don't read everything, do you?
One Fanboy.. who refuses to see the truth.. Quit peddeling lies.
And who expected a indie company to launch servers for 300k people to play completely free pre-launch? 10k people online would be something like 25-30k players per server, 2 servers in open beta/free trial would have been enough a few months ago when Tasos made that promise but now they need at least 10. Probably even more in February.
Funny... Small time Asian FTP MMOs get released and scale into the hundreds of thousands. It is about planning... How can this be a surprise when they have known for going on 3 - 5 months? Sorry that is plenty of time to get their systems in place especially since 2 years ago Tasos has stated repeated that DF was feature complete and ready for beta. He said just a little while ago that the game was ready for release.
Since the game is in such great shape... what have they been doing with their time?
From the leaks and other resources out there... The game is not nearly as complete or tested as Tasos has implied. He has been lying through his teeth, yet has been trying to "tone down the hype"... Everything he says is vague and riddled with innuendo while he plays it up as stated fact. He could make a used car salesman blush from his unethical behavior.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Funny... Small time Asian FTP MMOs get released and scale into the hundreds of thousands. It is about planning... How can this be a surprise when they have known for going on 3 - 5 months? Sorry that is plenty of time to get their systems in place especially since 2 years ago Tasos has stated repeated that DF was feature complete and ready for beta. He said just a little while ago that the game was ready for release. Since the game is in such great shape... what have they been doing with their time? From the leaks and other resources out there... The game is not nearly as complete or tested as Tasos has implied. He has been lying through his teeth, yet has been trying to "tone down the hype"... Everything he says is vague and riddled with innuendo while he plays it up as stated fact. He could make a used car salesman blush from his unethical behavior.
No. MMOs with 100K+ players are not small-time, they are big-time, with huge development budgets. The hardware alone to service that number of players plus bandwidth is already in the millions.
Legend of Mir II - 500K subscriptions in less then 6 months.
Ragnarok online - 480K subscriptions in less then 6 months.
World of Legend - 250K subscriptions in less then 4 months.
Fantasy Westward Legend - 190K subscriptions in less then 6 months.
Yulgang - 210K subscriptions in less then 3 months.
I could keep going, but in the Asian markets 100K is small time. The developers and publishers are small time compared to their western equivalents, yet still manage to ramp up far faster then Aventurine has been able to. This is all about poor planning by Aventurine...
A game can be feature complete but not have the hardware or network infrastructure to support its intended load.
This is true, but Tasos said that the game was ready to be released in December. That does not match what has been leaking out from beta however as many features are turned off. There are also frequent bug patches which Tasos has said would be taken care of. That there was no need for a full beta test. Production servers should have been tested 3 - 6 months from the projected release date. This is standard practice for software development dependent on hardware architecture. Since they were shooting for a 2008 release... testing should have started back in June - August. Once the hardware has been tested roll out of duplicate systems should be pretty seamless. Scale ability becomes one of cost rather then time. If Aventurine does not have the capital to fund a moderate release (100 - 200K) then they should not be in the MMO business. Again comes down to poor planing and management.
As for lying, there is no evidence of that. As for vagueness... wait until you are old enough to work in a real world company that depends on other companies for services and let me know how easy it is to stick to your own internal timelines... vagueness is a virtue.
There IS evidence. Tasos said the game was in a better state then most currently released MMOs. We know through leaks that this is NOT the case. That to simplify is a lie he is telling the community. Obviously you have never worked in a development environment. Vagueness will get you fired. Companies do not want vague time lines... they do not want vague capabilities... they do not want guess work. I know this because I HAVE worked in these environments. You know what they say about making assumptions... You are living proof that the saying is true.
Try supporting your position instead of attacking my experience. It would show you have a valid point instead of looking like an idiot with no clue. There is no question Tasos has lied. There is no question that his abiguity has caused much of the strife surounding the game. The question now is why you would choose to misrepresent the facts?
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Legend of Mir II - 500K subscriptions in less then 6 months. Ragnarok online - 480K subscriptions in less then 6 months. World of Legend - 250K subscriptions in less then 4 months. Fantasy Westward Legend - 190K subscriptions in less then 6 months. Yulgang - 210K subscriptions in less then 3 months. I could keep going, but in the Asian markets 100K is small time. The developers and publishers are small time compared to their western equivalents, yet still manage to ramp up far faster then Aventurine has been able to. This is all about poor planning by Aventurine...
still doesn't change the fact that the hardware required to support 100K+ players requires bigtime budgets.
Tasos said the game was in a better state then most currently released MMOs. We know through leaks that this is NOT the case.
What? the leaks have consistently agreed that the game is super stable and relatively bug-free. Besides, most MMO developers have such low quality standards for release it wouldn't be diffcult to beat them. So like i said, no evidence of lying.
The only ambiguity here is in the reading comprehension standards of the general forum readership. When you're always reading what you want to read instead of what's being written, you're bound to be constantly disappointed.
You do realize that multiple accounts are a violation of the ToS on this site don't you?
Don't worry. I will not report you. I just think it is funny that you are flaming these boards yet try to come off with any credibility. Please carry on with your ranting as to why Tasos is god.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
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Hell yes the IQ dropped around here. Christs sakes look at the top thread; it's about some retarded border color "joke" with a bunch of dingleberries jumping on the "joke" like it's toilet paper. And these same people are calling others excited about this game stupid? WTF?
Tasos already said that not everyone will get to try the game before release. What part of that did you not understand?
The part where your parents let you use a PC unattended?
Look, once more for you, to help you catch up;
The free play will generate 1000s of independant reviews, SS, maps and a slew of other player info about this game, good and bad, enabling you to make an informed decision whether to pre-order, wait, or walk away.
Clear now?
Oh really?
I must have missed the part of the announcement that stated that the NDA would be lifted.
The way I read it, is that the release candidate client will be Distributed, and not made available on a first come, first served basis. Therefore the people that will be playing the free trial on the 22nd will be selected, and not random.
My favorite line of the whole statement, was this: "Interest in Darkfall has surpassed all our expectations to the point that we may need to manage our release differently."
When he stated that, did he really think that no one would see how utterly rediculous it sounded?
DarkFall FAQ - Read then Question with Boldness
Tasos already said that not everyone will get to try the game before release. What part of that did you not understand?
The part where your parents let you use a PC unattended?
Look, once more for you, to help you catch up;
The free play will generate 1000s of independant reviews, SS, maps and a slew of other player info about this game, good and bad, enabling you to make an informed decision whether to pre-order, wait, or walk away.
Clear now?
Technically we don't know that yet.
We will have to wait until the 22nd to see if the NDA status is changed or not.
Just a question though...
If the NDA stays up on the 22nd... what will your reaction be?
How close to the new Feb. 25th launch date would it have to still be up before you thought it a problem?
Yea, it says thousands. But hundreds of thousands want to play. So that means one out of a hundred people will get to try it.
Do you understand now?
Tasos already said that not everyone will get to try the game before release. What part of that did you not understand?
The part where your parents let you use a PC unattended?
Look, once more for you, to help you catch up;
The free play will generate 1000s of independant reviews, SS, maps and a slew of other player info about this game, good and bad, enabling you to make an informed decision whether to pre-order, wait, or walk away.
Clear now?
Technically we don't know that yet.
We will have to wait until the 22nd to see if the NDA status is changed or not.
Just a question though...
If the NDA stays up on the 22nd... what will your reaction be?
How close to the new Feb. 25th launch date would it have to still be up before you thought it a problem?
I could see the NDA reaming in effect up until 2 weeks before launch. So I'll give them until the 16. Its not like its all that uncommon to have it in effect until that time anyways. But either way, it doesn't affect me because I won't be buying it until it launches in NA, if it does.
Edit: Well ok if the game doesn't launch in NA with in 6months but is still going strong in EU then I'll probably buy it.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
And who expected a indie company to launch servers for 300k people to play completely free pre-launch? 10k people online would be something like 25-30k players per server, 2 servers in open beta/free trial would have been enough a few months ago when Tasos made that promise but now they need at least 10. Probably even more in February.
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Indeed. I've always said that the max amount of people that would be allowed to play at launch would be about 50k since they are an indie company and they have hard capped their servers at 10k people. I expet this game to grow like EvE has, assuming the game is a moderate success at launch. If the launch is bad the game will fold.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
This game will truely suck unless SOE gets involved with it.
Yea, it says thousands. But hundreds of thousands want to play. So that means one out of a hundred people will get to try it.
Do you understand now?
When tasos says thousands he means hopefully more then 2 thousand but probably not much more then three thousand before pre orders start, trust me I know the man better then any of you and he tells me these things all the time.
These "thousands" will of course include the hundreds allready in closed beta.
The extra people added to make these two or three thousand before pre orders start will mostly be from affiliated guilds that have members in closed beta already, and people who can get a recommendation from friends and supporters already in beta.
If your not a member of a guild allready in beta or a friend or a supporter and can't get a recommendation from a friend or a supporter already in beta then just get ready to pre order, and hope you get accepted.
They had a few hundred testers in "closed public beta", now they are moving onto a few thousand in "limited open beta".
The majority of the beta leaks will continue to come from friends and supporters on damage control duty.
Tasos will not allow the majority of the community to try Darkfall before preordering because the majority of the community will not preorder after they try Darkfall.
They are now having to face the reality of the situation, they are in the unenviable situation of needing preorder revenue to finish the game, whilst beta and stress testing it, and at the same time setting up everything needed to launch it, they are obviously not going to allow anything within their control that might jeopardize maximum preorder revenue.
A very precarious juggling act and if there are any more problems (most likely) there will be even more delays and tight lips, I would say releasing an unfinished buggy game with features cut with a bad launch after taking preorders is the most likely outcome (so just the average normal MMO launch then) ,and probebly the most optimistic outcome, could be alot worse.
But who would pre order DF? Ok if i can read a hundred previews....no..not even then. I wouldent pre order any MMO.
EVER HEARD OF SOMETHING CALLED "SERVER CAP" ?
Care to explain why they couldn't do something like this RIGHT NOW?
You know.. where you only let on X amount of connections.
Actually, my new edits to Kyl's entries are in yellow. - check.
It is noones 'time' until launch. Pull your head in, or risk looking like a moron.
You are wrong.
A FFA PvP game with city building and resource control is ALWAYS a game that matters whether you have a late start. Those whom are serious about wanting to, not only play the game, but take a major part in getting a foothold in the world, are going to be at a major disadvantage if they, and their friends, do not get in early.
Its the equivalent to saying that a new guild to EVE would have any chance at seizing BoB's zero space. Its been far too long now, the massive corps have already placed their zone of control in those areas. It could take years to even hold the hope of giving yourself a place in that area...and thats in a game that has MASSIVE amounts of area to control.
If you and your guild are serious about playing DF....and having any amount of influence in that world, then you MUST get in ASAP. Its the very difference from being the ones who made the city and control the area...to being the ones begging to be let in and join the guild that did.
Your comments here a blatantly ignorant at best. I know you aren't ignorant, I'm well aware that you can be very intelligent. Its counterproductive to the many good things you have to say when you spount obvious crap like this.
I actually love these forums. I don't post much but I just read them for entertainment. The stuff in these forums are much much MUCH funnier than stuff on forumfall (especially the vaporware trolls).
originalegg?
if the darkfall "cult" had kept to the darkfall forums, and not plagued every forum on the internet for the past 4-6 months with their gospel of darkfall; then, you wouldn't have most of the trolling/hate you see on this forum.
but when, for a time, you could go anywhere and see "in your face vaporware trolls! my game is god!"; you have to expect some people to take offense at that type of stupidity.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
When you say drop that means your assuming that it was high at some point?
was just going to say that.
This is the first great post about Darkfall , well done
If you are going to insult another person's ability to post intelligently, at least have the common sense to check the spelling of words in your own post.
If you are going to insult another person's ability to post intelligently, at least have the common sense to check the spelling of words in your own post.
If you dont have any comment other than complaining about peoples spelling, I suggest you dont write anything at all. As a matter of fact it makes you look cocky and ignorant insted of smart like you want to.
Let them bask in their glory. It is their time afterall.
Actually, my new edits to Kyl's entries are in yellow. - check.
It is noones 'time' until launch. Pull your head in, or risk looking like a moron.
I feel very sorry for you. You really don't read everything, do you?
One Fanboy.. who refuses to see the truth.. Quit peddeling lies.
Currently playing Real Life..
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Funny... Small time Asian FTP MMOs get released and scale into the hundreds of thousands. It is about planning... How can this be a surprise when they have known for going on 3 - 5 months? Sorry that is plenty of time to get their systems in place especially since 2 years ago Tasos has stated repeated that DF was feature complete and ready for beta. He said just a little while ago that the game was ready for release.
Since the game is in such great shape... what have they been doing with their time?
From the leaks and other resources out there... The game is not nearly as complete or tested as Tasos has implied. He has been lying through his teeth, yet has been trying to "tone down the hype"... Everything he says is vague and riddled with innuendo while he plays it up as stated fact. He could make a used car salesman blush from his unethical behavior.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
No. MMOs with 100K+ players are not small-time, they are big-time, with huge development budgets. The hardware alone to service that number of players plus bandwidth is already in the millions.
Legend of Mir II - 500K subscriptions in less then 6 months.
Ragnarok online - 480K subscriptions in less then 6 months.
World of Legend - 250K subscriptions in less then 4 months.
Fantasy Westward Legend - 190K subscriptions in less then 6 months.
Yulgang - 210K subscriptions in less then 3 months.
I could keep going, but in the Asian markets 100K is small time. The developers and publishers are small time compared to their western equivalents, yet still manage to ramp up far faster then Aventurine has been able to. This is all about poor planning by Aventurine...
A game can be feature complete but not have the hardware or network infrastructure to support its intended load.
This is true, but Tasos said that the game was ready to be released in December. That does not match what has been leaking out from beta however as many features are turned off. There are also frequent bug patches which Tasos has said would be taken care of. That there was no need for a full beta test. Production servers should have been tested 3 - 6 months from the projected release date. This is standard practice for software development dependent on hardware architecture. Since they were shooting for a 2008 release... testing should have started back in June - August. Once the hardware has been tested roll out of duplicate systems should be pretty seamless. Scale ability becomes one of cost rather then time. If Aventurine does not have the capital to fund a moderate release (100 - 200K) then they should not be in the MMO business. Again comes down to poor planing and management.
As for lying, there is no evidence of that. As for vagueness... wait until you are old enough to work in a real world company that depends on other companies for services and let me know how easy it is to stick to your own internal timelines... vagueness is a virtue.
There IS evidence. Tasos said the game was in a better state then most currently released MMOs. We know through leaks that this is NOT the case. That to simplify is a lie he is telling the community. Obviously you have never worked in a development environment. Vagueness will get you fired. Companies do not want vague time lines... they do not want vague capabilities... they do not want guess work. I know this because I HAVE worked in these environments. You know what they say about making assumptions... You are living proof that the saying is true.
Try supporting your position instead of attacking my experience. It would show you have a valid point instead of looking like an idiot with no clue. There is no question Tasos has lied. There is no question that his abiguity has caused much of the strife surounding the game. The question now is why you would choose to misrepresent the facts?
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
still doesn't change the fact that the hardware required to support 100K+ players requires bigtime budgets.
What? the leaks have consistently agreed that the game is super stable and relatively bug-free. Besides, most MMO developers have such low quality standards for release it wouldn't be diffcult to beat them. So like i said, no evidence of lying.
The only ambiguity here is in the reading comprehension standards of the general forum readership. When you're always reading what you want to read instead of what's being written, you're bound to be constantly disappointed.
You do realize that multiple accounts are a violation of the ToS on this site don't you?
Don't worry. I will not report you. I just think it is funny that you are flaming these boards yet try to come off with any credibility. Please carry on with your ranting as to why Tasos is god.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.