The game is doomed because of this -- If anyone has ever watch any of the Star Trek, movies, or shows -- a good amount of time is base inside the ships. Game won't be true to the movies shows because of this.
So why can't the game be the same?
Big mistake if this rumor is true.
I agree 100%. As I said before, this doesn't sound like it will be a very immersive Star Trek experience IMO. Considering the other promising sci-fi MMOs on the horizon, the devs really should start listening more to their potential player base if they don't want this game to be added to the list of massive multiplayer online failures that have happened in the last couple years because devs decided they were going to do things their way whether the players like it or not.
I really don't get why ship interiors are so hard to make? They did it in SWG, and yes it was in x-pac, but at this point I really don't like the idea of having to shell out more money just to play the game I wanted to play in the first place. Without being able to interact with other plays on a ship, along with the fact that most of the game will be instanced away missions with your crew of NPCs, this sounds to me like it will be more like a single-player game than an MMO.
This is all one man's opinion. If you think this game will be awesome, by all means enjoy it to your hearts content, but don't be too surprised if this game pulls a Tabula Rasa.
These companies are going to waste hundreds of millions of dollars before some d-nozzle executive realizes why their games keep tanking. By then they will just abandon the genre completely and blame gamers for not being interested in their shoddy, shallow games. They can't blame piracy on this one, so they will have to pull something else out of their.....
This is exactly what has been happening in the movie industry over the past several years. Movie houses spew out sequel after sequel, but can't figure out why box office sales suck. Not one of them wlil touch an original movie idea for fear they may have to actually earn their paychecks by making good movies.
Oh, and the music industry has the same disease. It all boils down to corporate greed. Maybe once the economy tanks we can get back to game developing as an art form instead of a "McGame" factory.
Hey man, you're preaching to the choir here, lol. Too bad all those greedy executives don't have enough sense to realize they would make more money if they actually produced something innovative and new instead of regurgitating the same crap over and over.
I totally agree about the movie and music industries as well. At least with music these days we can go online and seek out what we want intead of being force-fed crappy pop stars that rely on studio editting and lip-syncing rather than actually having a shred of talent. Dinosaurs will die.
Thats not the worst thing. The worst thing is not that developers dont listen, or when in beta feedback isnt heard or when fanboys yell down those with questions or when the game finally sinks.
No the worst thing is after all this, someone posts "dont blame the developers, its all the players fault." Thats usually the bitter end of such stories.
Oh and not to forget years later when the next big MMO XYZ is developed, the devs make the same mistake again, the never learn and the only small satisfaction we have is writing posts "I told you so", which 90% of the rest flame down as "trolling". Thats the saddest part of it all, that from all the many, many failures of previous MMOs no one seems to learn. Ok, evolution took millions of years, why should game devs be faster...
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
The game is doomed because of this -- If anyone has ever watch any of the Star Trek, movies, or shows -- a good amount of time is base inside the ships. Game won't be true to the movies shows because of this.
So why can't the game be the same?
Big mistake if this rumor is true.
I agree 100%. As I said before, this doesn't sound like it will be a very immersive Star Trek experience IMO. Considering the other promising sci-fi MMOs on the horizon, the devs really should start listening more to their potential player base if they don't want this game to be added to the list of massive multiplayer online failures that have happened in the last couple years because devs decided they were going to do things their way whether the players like it or not.
I really don't get why ship interiors are so hard to make? They did it in SWG, and yes it was in x-pac, but at this point I really don't like the idea of having to shell out more money just to play the game I wanted to play in the first place. Without being able to interact with other plays on a ship, along with the fact that most of the game will be instanced away missions with your crew of NPCs, this sounds to me like it will be more like a single-player game than an MMO.
This is all one man's opinion. If you think this game will be awesome, by all means enjoy it to your hearts content, but don't be too surprised if this game pulls a Tabula Rasa.
These companies are going to waste hundreds of millions of dollars before some d-nozzle executive realizes why their games keep tanking. By then they will just abandon the genre completely and blame gamers for not being interested in their shoddy, shallow games. They can't blame piracy on this one, so they will have to pull something else out of their.....
This is exactly what has been happening in the movie industry over the past several years. Movie houses spew out sequel after sequel, but can't figure out why box office sales suck. Not one of them wlil touch an original movie idea for fear they may have to actually earn their paychecks by making good movies.
Oh, and the music industry has the same disease. It all boils down to corporate greed. Maybe once the economy tanks we can get back to game developing as an art form instead of a "McGame" factory.
Hey man, you're preaching to the choir here, lol. Too bad all those greedy executives don't have enough sense to realize they would make more money if they actually produced something innovative and new instead of regurgitating the same crap over and over.
I totally agree about the movie and music industries as well. At least with music these days we can go online and seek out what we want intead of being force-fed crappy pop stars that rely on studio editting and lip-syncing rather than actually having a shred of talent. Dinosaurs will die.
Thats not the worst thing. The worst thing is not that developers dont listen, or when in beta feedback isnt heard or when fanboys yell down those with questions or when the game finally sinks.
No the worst thing is after all this, someone posts "dont blame the developers, its all the players fault." Thats usually the bitter end of such stories.
Oh and not to forget years later when the next big MMO XYZ is developed, the devs make the same mistake again, the never learn and the only small satisfaction we have is writing posts "I told you so", which 90% of the rest flame down as "trolling". Thats the saddest part of it all, that from all the many, many failures of previous MMOs no one seems to learn. Ok, evolution took millions of years, why should game devs be faster...
I do agree that Devs need to keep an eye out on what the fanbase is looking for, but i also understand there is only so much time and money before they have to release a game. I know some would say wait a few more years but seems that companies can only wait so long -shrugs-
I wonder what you and others would consider a failure in an MMO because were i come from 100,000 subs is still good business or does it have to be wow type numbers? I enjoy wow but i don't really care about the 12mil or whatever they have, why? because i play on one server with couple thousand and thats all i'll ever see of them.
Thing is i'm just not someone to panic about it, i'm not an investor i have no money in this so really all i can tell them is what i would like, which i have, i'm just not gonna get angry about it.
I'll hopefully get some beta time and post my feelings on the game, hopefully any of your that are concerned actually post your concerns on the official boards just in case they really don't bother with this site.
I just don't see many failures in the mmo's, War has 300,000...thats not a failure, AOC still has a good amount playing, although i admit it did fail in some ways at first but seems they are fixing it up, LOTRO hasn't failed in any way, SWG got butchered yeah its still around but bad calls failed that game, Tabula Rasa failed for sure
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
It's Cryptic developing the game so what did everyone expect. This game will be a flop, slop piece of Star WOW Galaxies trash that is regurgitated on the goon berry, googly eyed hardcore fanatic anyways.
When they said you could mix aliens and make your own that was a indication that the game is not serious in the aspect of Trek and would take on the form of city of heroes anyways.
I hate when developers get lazy and then push out junk to the public just because they wanna make a buck, but oh well there is still ToR.
This seems to be following a trend. MMO's that aren't really mmo's, but merely multiplayer games in which a few people come together in instanced areas to complete missions. The same thing has been done many times over in countless games, but they are not called MMO's.
I was looking forward to some good rp. Doesn't seem like it will happen, but we'll see.
cryptic has no excuse for not putting this feature in its te games major selling point its like coke deciding lest stop making coke and focus on beer instead
i see the out come now game turns turtle i laugh and people start screaming
oh well looks like im going to have to stick with SQO for my avatar in a spaceship MMORPG game
So what? I care more about exploring worlds than I do my own ship. We've known a long time this wasn't going to be Second Life in space, so what is so shocking about this?
So what? I care more about exploring worlds than I do my own ship. We've known a long time this wasn't going to be Second Life in space, so what is so shocking about this?
You have to admit... he has a point here.
Thanks.
I just don't get it. Everyone should have known as soon as they said you would be captaining a starship of NPCS where this game was heading.So I don't know why people are acting so shocked. They're not closing the door on interiors, they just won't be there at launch. Interiors are good for one glimpse and then you forget about them. Just like quest logs and other things like that. YOu look at them maybe 10 percent of the time you're playing the game because the primary concern is exploring and completing missions. That should be the primary focus of any game. Interiors won't mean jack squat if I have nowhere to go. Unless you're one of those people who like standing around virtual worlds and playing make believe, this isn't an issue.
Everyone brings up SWG as comparison(for reasons past understanding), but they forget that SWG didn't have space in the beginning. I don't even think they had mounts.(wasn't around for launch, but that's what I've heard) It was also buggy as hell and still is.Those facts don't seem to stop the many players who talk about that game like it was Pacman.Probably has something to do with the fact that there was so much to do in the game, that the lack of space ships wasn't an issue.
I guess we shouldn't really be surprised. When you claim an MMORPG can be fully developed and shipped in under two years, like Jack Emmert does. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when that MMORPG turns out to be a incomplete, half assed, lazy, hunk of junk. It's already showing in their Champions Online game, almost every interview done at NYCC, the person being interviewed answered most questions with "We'd like to eventually have that, but it won't be in at launch". Cryptic's only concern these days, is proving they have an engine they can sell to other developers to quickly make MMORPG's in half the time. They could care less about doing the Star Trek licence any remote form of justice.
Everyone wants to copy WoW now days, except the one area they should copying them from, their development time and not releasing til they're ready for launch.
If i were making a MMO game, costs aside, i would make a game that is different to the 100s of MMO games that are currently saturating the market. I have not followed the making of this game but this does not sound good.
StarTrek is an absolutely wonderfull IP from which to develop a game. And i fear it is going to squandered on a so-so game
Why dont Cryptic take their time and develop a decent, deep, engaging game, surely they can afford to do so. Instead of rushing out a game for a quick release, to make a quick buck, that will crash an burn after the first few years.
One day a dev is going to realise that we the MMO gaming public want more than a clone of what is available at the moment and make a decent game and make a killing on sales and subs!
I guess we shouldn't really be surprised. When you claim an MMORPG can be fully developed and shipped in under two years, like Jack Emmert does. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when that MMORPG turns out to be a incomplete, half assed, lazy, hunk of junk. It's already showing in their Champions Online game, almost every interview done at NYCC, the person being interviewed answered most questions with "We'd like to eventually have that, but it won't be in at launch". Cryptic's only concern these days, is proving they have an engine they can sell to other developers to quickly make MMORPG's in half the time. They could care less about doing the Star Trek licence any remote form of justice. Everyone wants to copy WoW now days, except the one area they should copying them from, their development time and not releasing til they're ready for launch.
If you have enough people working on it you could probably make a MMO in 2 years, but you would probably have another year in beta then to get all the stuff together.
Too few manhours and you get either almost no content or so many buggs that old Sigil would have laughed at you.
Guildwars is a minimalistic game in many ways and it still took over 4 years too make it, of course they did have a small team but it seems like Cryptics are not big enough either and they miss a great programmer like Strain or Kaplan to get the game together. Any MMO with less content than a single player game have no chanse at all, we don't need more Tabula Rasas.
As far as champions I start to look more and more on DCU instead, at least they have good people like Jim Lee (the guy who made gen 13 and madesome of the best X-men comics).
Star trek without being able to be inside your ship wont do anyone happy, we don't need a copy of Eve. A star trek should be close to the series and movies and the most focus there are on the characters, not the ships.
Cryptic should just move the release back 2 or 3 more years and make a good game instead of releasing what they have ASAP and patch in most of the game later
my last final hope is crushed. im just going to resub to swg then and give up waiting year after year for my replacement mmo. as aweful as that game is now, its the only game ever that lets you fly your ship and walk around on it and involve other people.i really thought sto was the answer i had been waiting for. all gone. back to the soe slave pit.
I guess we shouldn't really be surprised. When you claim an MMORPG can be fully developed and shipped in under two years, like Jack Emmert does. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when that MMORPG turns out to be a incomplete, half assed, lazy, hunk of junk. It's already showing in their Champions Online game, almost every interview done at NYCC, the person being interviewed answered most questions with "We'd like to eventually have that, but it won't be in at launch". Cryptic's only concern these days, is proving they have an engine they can sell to other developers to quickly make MMORPG's in half the time. They could care less about doing the Star Trek licence any remote form of justice.
Everyone wants to copy WoW now days, except the one area they should copying them from, their development time and not releasing til they're ready for launch.
I 100% agree! Cryptic are a buch of retards for leaveing out something so integral to the Trek experiance at launch. I already questioned their motives on their own forums and got infractions because they refuse to face the reality of it. Artaryl one of their Mods seems to be a jerk about the subject.
I guess we shouldn't really be surprised. When you claim an MMORPG can be fully developed and shipped in under two years, like Jack Emmert does. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when that MMORPG turns out to be a incomplete, half assed, lazy, hunk of junk. It's already showing in their Champions Online game, almost every interview done at NYCC, the person being interviewed answered most questions with "We'd like to eventually have that, but it won't be in at launch". Cryptic's only concern these days, is proving they have an engine they can sell to other developers to quickly make MMORPG's in half the time. They could care less about doing the Star Trek licence any remote form of justice.
Everyone wants to copy WoW now days, except the one area they should copying them from, their development time and not releasing til they're ready for launch.
I 100% agree! Cryptic are a buch of retards for leaveing out something so integral to the Trek experiance at launch. I already questioned their motives on their own forums and got infractions because they refuse to face the reality of it. Artaryl one of their Mods seems to be a jerk about the subject.
No, you got infractions(and then a ban) because you kept whining about it in every thread. That's trolling. There were already two threads on the Interior subject and yet your latest attempt was to hijack a screenshot thread. Don't come on these forums as a victim of the big bad DEVS when it was your own fault.
Hmmm, I've never played a sci-fi mmorpg but have always loved the genre especially Star Trek. This just doesn't sound like the Star Trek I know. Perhaps I'll play Eve in a couple of years when they have fully realised environments on planets, space stations and ships. Sounds like theyre headed in that direction..slowly. As for STO, well, I'll wait and see, but I've lost that tingly feeling I had when I first heard there was a STO on the horizon.
So basically, if you could wander around your ship but couldn't really do anything in the process, that would make the game so much better for you than if they skip that because it's pointless? I'm all in favor of finding reasons to criticize games, but that one seems kind of pointless. What is Star Trek about, anyway? Is it about going wandering around in some stodgy old starship in a view that makes it look like you might as well still be grounded on earth? Or is it about boldly going where no man has gone before, whether in the vastness of space or in instanced mission episodes where there is actually something to do?
I guess thats the whole point which you dont seem to get. The fact, that being on your own ship AND it meaning something AND being important is missing from the game. I am by no means a trekkie, but was considering this game -- until hearing this.
I'm glad that they made the decision to hold off adding them. It's eviidence to me that they want to remain focused on much more vital core elements of the game instead of fluff that few will care about. Too many games waste time and resources on useless things like this before release, and too often have other much more important features and elements suffer because of it.
I'm glad that they made the decision to hold off adding them. It's eviidence to me that they want to remain focused on much more vital core elements of the game instead of fluff that few will care about. Too many games waste time and resources on useless things like this before release, and too often have other much more important features and elements suffer because of it. Kudos to Cryptic for showing smarts yet again.
That's how I feel. I'd rather spend time exploring the galaxy than my own ship. They already said that interiors will be added in later. The point of the game is to explore strange new worlds, not strange new quarters.
I guess we shouldn't really be surprised. When you claim an MMORPG can be fully developed and shipped in under two years, like Jack Emmert does. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when that MMORPG turns out to be a incomplete, half assed, lazy, hunk of junk. It's already showing in their Champions Online game, almost every interview done at NYCC, the person being interviewed answered most questions with "We'd like to eventually have that, but it won't be in at launch". Cryptic's only concern these days, is proving they have an engine they can sell to other developers to quickly make MMORPG's in half the time. They could care less about doing the Star Trek licence any remote form of justice.
Everyone wants to copy WoW now days, except the one area they should copying them from, their development time and not releasing til they're ready for launch.
I 100% agree! Cryptic are a buch of retards for leaveing out something so integral to the Trek experiance at launch. I already questioned their motives on their own forums and got infractions because they refuse to face the reality of it. Artaryl one of their Mods seems to be a jerk about the subject.
No, you got infractions(and then a ban) because you kept whining about it in every thread. That's trolling. There were already two threads on the Interior subject and yet your latest attempt was to hijack a screenshot thread. Don't come on these forums as a victim of the big bad DEVS when it was your own fault.
Actualy I got banned for excessive negativity in telling the truth on their forums. Which just like you if someone doesn't agree with what your saying they are wrong. but guess what my ban has been lifted I just choose not to reply to those that are clearly suck-ups.
I'm glad that they made the decision to hold off adding them. It's eviidence to me that they want to remain focused on much more vital core elements of the game instead of fluff that few will care about. Too many games waste time and resources on useless things like this before release, and too often have other much more important features and elements suffer because of it. Kudos to Cryptic for showing smarts yet again.
That's how I feel. I'd rather spend time exploring the galaxy than my own ship. They already said that interiors will be added in later. The point of the game is to explore strange new worlds, not strange new quarters.
There is no viable reason they cant work on both which is what you fail to understand. You dont want to comprimise on the situation in the slightest amount. You dont understand other people feel differently then you and tyou try to make them the bad guys for it. Well guess what dispite how you feel people are still discussing the situation on the STO forums. Will it stop anytime soon? Well that will be up to the guys at Cryptic but I don't see it happening especialy since they fail to listen to the potential subscribers. Hmmm reminds me of SOE and SWG.
remember people they are making a game not a simulator...although a star trek sim would own heh.
You made me have a thought. If I was a C++ programmer, I would remake Starfleet Command. That game done with todays graphics, with an mmo twist like a skill point system or something.... omg I'm so there...
I guess we shouldn't really be surprised. When you claim an MMORPG can be fully developed and shipped in under two years, like Jack Emmert does. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when that MMORPG turns out to be a incomplete, half assed, lazy, hunk of junk. It's already showing in their Champions Online game, almost every interview done at NYCC, the person being interviewed answered most questions with "We'd like to eventually have that, but it won't be in at launch". Cryptic's only concern these days, is proving they have an engine they can sell to other developers to quickly make MMORPG's in half the time. They could care less about doing the Star Trek licence any remote form of justice.
Everyone wants to copy WoW now days, except the one area they should copying them from, their development time and not releasing til they're ready for launch.
I 100% agree! Cryptic are a buch of retards for leaveing out something so integral to the Trek experiance at launch. I already questioned their motives on their own forums and got infractions because they refuse to face the reality of it. Artaryl one of their Mods seems to be a jerk about the subject.
No, you got infractions(and then a ban) because you kept whining about it in every thread. That's trolling. There were already two threads on the Interior subject and yet your latest attempt was to hijack a screenshot thread. Don't come on these forums as a victim of the big bad DEVS when it was your own fault.
1.) Actualy I got banned for excessive negativity in telling the truth on their forums
2.)Which just like you if someone doesn't agree with what your saying they are wrong. but guess what my ban has been lifted I just choose not to reply to those that are clearly suck-ups.
1.) Translation: I got banned for trolling
2.) No, there are many people I disagree with on that site and I never said this game was going 100 percent the way I want. I just choose to either accept it or move ont. Clearly you're having an issue with that last part.
I'm glad that they made the decision to hold off adding them. It's eviidence to me that they want to remain focused on much more vital core elements of the game instead of fluff that few will care about. Too many games waste time and resources on useless things like this before release, and too often have other much more important features and elements suffer because of it. Kudos to Cryptic for showing smarts yet again.
That's how I feel. I'd rather spend time exploring the galaxy than my own ship. They already said that interiors will be added in later. The point of the game is to explore strange new worlds, not strange new quarters.
There is no viable reason they cant work on both which is what you fail to understand. You dont want to comprimise on the situation in the slightest amount. You dont understand other people feel differently then you and tyou try to make them the bad guys for it. Well guess what dispite how you feel people are still discussing the situation on the STO forums. Will it stop anytime soon? Well that will be up to the guys at Cryptic but I don't see it happening especialy since they fail to listen to the potential subscribers. Hmmm reminds me of SOE and SWG.
It's not my decision to make so there is nothing to compromise about. I wish I could play a Borg, but guess what? All the whining and complaining and stomping of feet isn't going to change that fact will it? I wish there were merchants in this game. And (here's a shocker for you) I wish there WERE some interiors in the game. And there WILL be. Just not at the launch of the game. You and your alts are the ones unwilling to compromise. Least your precious interiors are planned for a future date. Me and my wishes to play a Borg will probably never see the light of day. Still doesn't mean I have the right to troll every thread on the sight and be a douchbag, which is what you were basically being about the subject. Either accept the decision or move on.
By the way, comparing SOE to Cryptic only makes you look ignorant.
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I agree 100%. As I said before, this doesn't sound like it will be a very immersive Star Trek experience IMO. Considering the other promising sci-fi MMOs on the horizon, the devs really should start listening more to their potential player base if they don't want this game to be added to the list of massive multiplayer online failures that have happened in the last couple years because devs decided they were going to do things their way whether the players like it or not.
I really don't get why ship interiors are so hard to make? They did it in SWG, and yes it was in x-pac, but at this point I really don't like the idea of having to shell out more money just to play the game I wanted to play in the first place. Without being able to interact with other plays on a ship, along with the fact that most of the game will be instanced away missions with your crew of NPCs, this sounds to me like it will be more like a single-player game than an MMO.
This is all one man's opinion. If you think this game will be awesome, by all means enjoy it to your hearts content, but don't be too surprised if this game pulls a Tabula Rasa.
These companies are going to waste hundreds of millions of dollars before some d-nozzle executive realizes why their games keep tanking. By then they will just abandon the genre completely and blame gamers for not being interested in their shoddy, shallow games. They can't blame piracy on this one, so they will have to pull something else out of their.....
This is exactly what has been happening in the movie industry over the past several years. Movie houses spew out sequel after sequel, but can't figure out why box office sales suck. Not one of them wlil touch an original movie idea for fear they may have to actually earn their paychecks by making good movies.
Oh, and the music industry has the same disease. It all boils down to corporate greed. Maybe once the economy tanks we can get back to game developing as an art form instead of a "McGame" factory.
Hey man, you're preaching to the choir here, lol. Too bad all those greedy executives don't have enough sense to realize they would make more money if they actually produced something innovative and new instead of regurgitating the same crap over and over.
I totally agree about the movie and music industries as well. At least with music these days we can go online and seek out what we want intead of being force-fed crappy pop stars that rely on studio editting and lip-syncing rather than actually having a shred of talent. Dinosaurs will die.
Thats not the worst thing. The worst thing is not that developers dont listen, or when in beta feedback isnt heard or when fanboys yell down those with questions or when the game finally sinks.
No the worst thing is after all this, someone posts "dont blame the developers, its all the players fault." Thats usually the bitter end of such stories.
Oh and not to forget years later when the next big MMO XYZ is developed, the devs make the same mistake again, the never learn and the only small satisfaction we have is writing posts "I told you so", which 90% of the rest flame down as "trolling". Thats the saddest part of it all, that from all the many, many failures of previous MMOs no one seems to learn. Ok, evolution took millions of years, why should game devs be faster...
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I agree 100%. As I said before, this doesn't sound like it will be a very immersive Star Trek experience IMO. Considering the other promising sci-fi MMOs on the horizon, the devs really should start listening more to their potential player base if they don't want this game to be added to the list of massive multiplayer online failures that have happened in the last couple years because devs decided they were going to do things their way whether the players like it or not.
I really don't get why ship interiors are so hard to make? They did it in SWG, and yes it was in x-pac, but at this point I really don't like the idea of having to shell out more money just to play the game I wanted to play in the first place. Without being able to interact with other plays on a ship, along with the fact that most of the game will be instanced away missions with your crew of NPCs, this sounds to me like it will be more like a single-player game than an MMO.
This is all one man's opinion. If you think this game will be awesome, by all means enjoy it to your hearts content, but don't be too surprised if this game pulls a Tabula Rasa.
These companies are going to waste hundreds of millions of dollars before some d-nozzle executive realizes why their games keep tanking. By then they will just abandon the genre completely and blame gamers for not being interested in their shoddy, shallow games. They can't blame piracy on this one, so they will have to pull something else out of their.....
This is exactly what has been happening in the movie industry over the past several years. Movie houses spew out sequel after sequel, but can't figure out why box office sales suck. Not one of them wlil touch an original movie idea for fear they may have to actually earn their paychecks by making good movies.
Oh, and the music industry has the same disease. It all boils down to corporate greed. Maybe once the economy tanks we can get back to game developing as an art form instead of a "McGame" factory.
Hey man, you're preaching to the choir here, lol. Too bad all those greedy executives don't have enough sense to realize they would make more money if they actually produced something innovative and new instead of regurgitating the same crap over and over.
I totally agree about the movie and music industries as well. At least with music these days we can go online and seek out what we want intead of being force-fed crappy pop stars that rely on studio editting and lip-syncing rather than actually having a shred of talent. Dinosaurs will die.
Thats not the worst thing. The worst thing is not that developers dont listen, or when in beta feedback isnt heard or when fanboys yell down those with questions or when the game finally sinks.
No the worst thing is after all this, someone posts "dont blame the developers, its all the players fault." Thats usually the bitter end of such stories.
Oh and not to forget years later when the next big MMO XYZ is developed, the devs make the same mistake again, the never learn and the only small satisfaction we have is writing posts "I told you so", which 90% of the rest flame down as "trolling". Thats the saddest part of it all, that from all the many, many failures of previous MMOs no one seems to learn. Ok, evolution took millions of years, why should game devs be faster...
I do agree that Devs need to keep an eye out on what the fanbase is looking for, but i also understand there is only so much time and money before they have to release a game. I know some would say wait a few more years but seems that companies can only wait so long -shrugs-
I wonder what you and others would consider a failure in an MMO because were i come from 100,000 subs is still good business or does it have to be wow type numbers? I enjoy wow but i don't really care about the 12mil or whatever they have, why? because i play on one server with couple thousand and thats all i'll ever see of them.
Thing is i'm just not someone to panic about it, i'm not an investor i have no money in this so really all i can tell them is what i would like, which i have, i'm just not gonna get angry about it.
I'll hopefully get some beta time and post my feelings on the game, hopefully any of your that are concerned actually post your concerns on the official boards just in case they really don't bother with this site.
I just don't see many failures in the mmo's, War has 300,000...thats not a failure, AOC still has a good amount playing, although i admit it did fail in some ways at first but seems they are fixing it up, LOTRO hasn't failed in any way, SWG got butchered yeah its still around but bad calls failed that game, Tabula Rasa failed for sure
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
It's Cryptic developing the game so what did everyone expect. This game will be a flop, slop piece of Star WOW Galaxies trash that is regurgitated on the goon berry, googly eyed hardcore fanatic anyways.
When they said you could mix aliens and make your own that was a indication that the game is not serious in the aspect of Trek and would take on the form of city of heroes anyways.
I hate when developers get lazy and then push out junk to the public just because they wanna make a buck, but oh well there is still ToR.
This seems to be following a trend. MMO's that aren't really mmo's, but merely multiplayer games in which a few people come together in instanced areas to complete missions. The same thing has been done many times over in countless games, but they are not called MMO's.
I was looking forward to some good rp. Doesn't seem like it will happen, but we'll see.
cryptic has no excuse for not putting this feature in its te games major selling point its like coke deciding lest stop making coke and focus on beer instead
i see the out come now game turns turtle i laugh and people start screaming
oh well looks like im going to have to stick with SQO for my avatar in a spaceship MMORPG game
You have to admit... he has a point here.
You have to admit... he has a point here.
Thanks.
I just don't get it. Everyone should have known as soon as they said you would be captaining a starship of NPCS where this game was heading.So I don't know why people are acting so shocked. They're not closing the door on interiors, they just won't be there at launch. Interiors are good for one glimpse and then you forget about them. Just like quest logs and other things like that. YOu look at them maybe 10 percent of the time you're playing the game because the primary concern is exploring and completing missions. That should be the primary focus of any game. Interiors won't mean jack squat if I have nowhere to go. Unless you're one of those people who like standing around virtual worlds and playing make believe, this isn't an issue.
Everyone brings up SWG as comparison(for reasons past understanding), but they forget that SWG didn't have space in the beginning. I don't even think they had mounts.(wasn't around for launch, but that's what I've heard) It was also buggy as hell and still is.Those facts don't seem to stop the many players who talk about that game like it was Pacman.Probably has something to do with the fact that there was so much to do in the game, that the lack of space ships wasn't an issue.
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I guess we shouldn't really be surprised. When you claim an MMORPG can be fully developed and shipped in under two years, like Jack Emmert does. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when that MMORPG turns out to be a incomplete, half assed, lazy, hunk of junk. It's already showing in their Champions Online game, almost every interview done at NYCC, the person being interviewed answered most questions with "We'd like to eventually have that, but it won't be in at launch". Cryptic's only concern these days, is proving they have an engine they can sell to other developers to quickly make MMORPG's in half the time. They could care less about doing the Star Trek licence any remote form of justice.
Everyone wants to copy WoW now days, except the one area they should copying them from, their development time and not releasing til they're ready for launch.
If i were making a MMO game, costs aside, i would make a game that is different to the 100s of MMO games that are currently saturating the market. I have not followed the making of this game but this does not sound good.
StarTrek is an absolutely wonderfull IP from which to develop a game. And i fear it is going to squandered on a so-so game
Why dont Cryptic take their time and develop a decent, deep, engaging game, surely they can afford to do so. Instead of rushing out a game for a quick release, to make a quick buck, that will crash an burn after the first few years.
One day a dev is going to realise that we the MMO gaming public want more than a clone of what is available at the moment and make a decent game and make a killing on sales and subs!
If you have enough people working on it you could probably make a MMO in 2 years, but you would probably have another year in beta then to get all the stuff together.
Too few manhours and you get either almost no content or so many buggs that old Sigil would have laughed at you.
Guildwars is a minimalistic game in many ways and it still took over 4 years too make it, of course they did have a small team but it seems like Cryptics are not big enough either and they miss a great programmer like Strain or Kaplan to get the game together. Any MMO with less content than a single player game have no chanse at all, we don't need more Tabula Rasas.
As far as champions I start to look more and more on DCU instead, at least they have good people like Jim Lee (the guy who made gen 13 and madesome of the best X-men comics).
Star trek without being able to be inside your ship wont do anyone happy, we don't need a copy of Eve. A star trek should be close to the series and movies and the most focus there are on the characters, not the ships.
Cryptic should just move the release back 2 or 3 more years and make a good game instead of releasing what they have ASAP and patch in most of the game later
my last final hope is crushed. im just going to resub to swg then and give up waiting year after year for my replacement mmo. as aweful as that game is now, its the only game ever that lets you fly your ship and walk around on it and involve other people.i really thought sto was the answer i had been waiting for. all gone. back to the soe slave pit.
any chance firefly mmo will happen?
Firefly MMO was postponed pending development of the Buffy MMO. No, I'm not kidding.
I 100% agree! Cryptic are a buch of retards for leaveing out something so integral to the Trek experiance at launch. I already questioned their motives on their own forums and got infractions because they refuse to face the reality of it. Artaryl one of their Mods seems to be a jerk about the subject.
I 100% agree! Cryptic are a buch of retards for leaveing out something so integral to the Trek experiance at launch. I already questioned their motives on their own forums and got infractions because they refuse to face the reality of it. Artaryl one of their Mods seems to be a jerk about the subject.
No, you got infractions(and then a ban) because you kept whining about it in every thread. That's trolling. There were already two threads on the Interior subject and yet your latest attempt was to hijack a screenshot thread. Don't come
on these forums as a victim of the big bad DEVS when it was your own fault.
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Hmmm, I've never played a sci-fi mmorpg but have always loved the genre especially Star Trek. This just doesn't sound like the Star Trek I know. Perhaps I'll play Eve in a couple of years when they have fully realised environments on planets, space stations and ships. Sounds like theyre headed in that direction..slowly. As for STO, well, I'll wait and see, but I've lost that tingly feeling I had when I first heard there was a STO on the horizon.
I guess thats the whole point which you dont seem to get. The fact, that being on your own ship AND it meaning something AND being important is missing from the game. I am by no means a trekkie, but was considering this game -- until hearing this.
I'm glad that they made the decision to hold off adding them. It's eviidence to me that they want to remain focused on much more vital core elements of the game instead of fluff that few will care about. Too many games waste time and resources on useless things like this before release, and too often have other much more important features and elements suffer because of it.
Kudos to Cryptic for showing smarts yet again.
I was looking forward to this game, but the news just keeps getting worse. I guess if this beats SW:TOR to the market I'll still give it a shot.
Interest lost.
The one thing I was looking forward to was walking around the bridge of a ship. I'll be passing this one up, to bad to, the original vision was great
That's how I feel. I'd rather spend time exploring the galaxy than my own ship. They already said that interiors will be added in later. The point of the game is to explore strange new worlds, not strange new quarters.
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I 100% agree! Cryptic are a buch of retards for leaveing out something so integral to the Trek experiance at launch. I already questioned their motives on their own forums and got infractions because they refuse to face the reality of it. Artaryl one of their Mods seems to be a jerk about the subject.
No, you got infractions(and then a ban) because you kept whining about it in every thread. That's trolling. There were already two threads on the Interior subject and yet your latest attempt was to hijack a screenshot thread. Don't come
on these forums as a victim of the big bad DEVS when it was your own fault.
Actualy I got banned for excessive negativity in telling the truth on their forums. Which just like you if someone doesn't agree with what your saying they are wrong. but guess what my ban has been lifted I just choose not to reply to those that are clearly suck-ups.
That's how I feel. I'd rather spend time exploring the galaxy than my own ship. They already said that interiors will be added in later. The point of the game is to explore strange new worlds, not strange new quarters.
There is no viable reason they cant work on both which is what you fail to understand. You dont want to comprimise on the situation in the slightest amount. You dont understand other people feel differently then you and tyou try to make them the bad guys for it. Well guess what dispite how you feel people are still discussing the situation on the STO forums. Will it stop anytime soon? Well that will be up to the guys at Cryptic but I don't see it happening especialy since they fail to listen to the potential subscribers. Hmmm reminds me of SOE and SWG.
You made me have a thought. If I was a C++ programmer, I would remake Starfleet Command. That game done with todays graphics, with an mmo twist like a skill point system or something.... omg I'm so there...
edit for my typo's.
I 100% agree! Cryptic are a buch of retards for leaveing out something so integral to the Trek experiance at launch. I already questioned their motives on their own forums and got infractions because they refuse to face the reality of it. Artaryl one of their Mods seems to be a jerk about the subject.
No, you got infractions(and then a ban) because you kept whining about it in every thread. That's trolling. There were already two threads on the Interior subject and yet your latest attempt was to hijack a screenshot thread. Don't come
on these forums as a victim of the big bad DEVS when it was your own fault.
1.) Actualy I got banned for excessive negativity in telling the truth on their forums
2.)Which just like you if someone doesn't agree with what your saying they are wrong. but guess what my ban has been lifted I just choose not to reply to those that are clearly suck-ups.
1.) Translation: I got banned for trolling
2.) No, there are many people I disagree with on that site and I never said this game was going 100 percent the way I want. I just choose to either accept it or move ont. Clearly you're having an issue with that last part.
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That's how I feel. I'd rather spend time exploring the galaxy than my own ship. They already said that interiors will be added in later. The point of the game is to explore strange new worlds, not strange new quarters.
There is no viable reason they cant work on both which is what you fail to understand. You dont want to comprimise on the situation in the slightest amount. You dont understand other people feel differently then you and tyou try to make them the bad guys for it. Well guess what dispite how you feel people are still discussing the situation on the STO forums. Will it stop anytime soon? Well that will be up to the guys at Cryptic but I don't see it happening especialy since they fail to listen to the potential subscribers. Hmmm reminds me of SOE and SWG.
It's not my decision to make so there is nothing to compromise about. I wish I could play a Borg, but guess what? All the whining and complaining and stomping of feet isn't going to change that fact will it? I wish there were merchants in this game. And (here's a shocker for you) I wish there WERE some interiors in the game. And there WILL be. Just not at the launch of the game. You and your alts are the ones unwilling to compromise. Least your precious interiors are planned for a future date. Me and my wishes to play a Borg will probably never see the light of day. Still doesn't mean I have the right to troll every thread on the sight and be a douchbag, which is what you were basically being about the subject. Either accept the decision or move on.
By the way, comparing SOE to Cryptic only makes you look ignorant.
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