Too bad I have to go to work in a few. If your gonna quote, then get it right. Tasos made that statement. Did you even read the whole thing? I'll link it up again for ya. The part you quoted is the last one on the first page.
Oh the irony, using a Tasos quote from 2005 to 'prove' Tasos and Aventurine have never lied or done anything wrong, what were you thinking?
"Aventurine comes out of its virtual information blackout to let us in on the status of its fantasy-themed online world"
Good to see they have improved their community relations so much over the last 4 years, thankfully those virtual information blackouts are a thing of the distant past.
"Claus Grovdal: Darkfall is freedom to have fun straight from the box. There are no set grinds that you need to go through in order to enjoy the end game. There's no level grind, no money grind, no item grind."
Anyone in Beta will tell you that is total BS, Darkfall is a grindtastic grindathon grindfest up there amongst the greatest Free to Play Asian grinders.
Tasos Flambouras: Fans have been speculating and/or hoping that Darkfall is "the new Ultima Online" or "Shadowbane done differently". We don't think of Darkfall like that.
Good because non of your fans will either.
Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website.
4 years later...
Tasos Flambouras: Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately.
4 years later ... and then just continuously delay it after saying you would never announce it until you were sure you would meet it.
Henning Ludvigsen: Graphically, the longer development time has given us a chance to make the art better, improve the animations, etc.
Improve the animations, good one!, but wait, we are seeing the improved animations?, imagine what they must of been like before they were 'improved'
Tasos Flambouras: But the main reason is that we decided that it's time to show Darkfall, rather than keep talking about it - we believe that it will speak for itself better than we ever could.
That's why 4 years later Darkfall beta is still under NDA 1 week from launch, so it can speak for itself.
And that's why over the last 4 years Darkfall has never been shown to the mainstream gaming press.
And Tasos never has stopped talking about it, because Tasos's and a few of his friends and supporters could speak for Darkfall better then Darkfall ever could for itself, even 1 week from launch.
Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game.
4 years later ... but now we find out we have to preorder to get a chance to play test the game, after you said there would never be preorders and we would all get a chance to try the game before buying it.
Claus Grovdal: We're looking forward to the clan beta test where we'll get the chance to play around with the various rulesets.
Whatever happened to that clan beta in 2005?, oh yea right.
1) Aventurine has made some rookie mistakes by announcing multiple development timelines that they have failed to meet. Obviously they should have kept quiet unless they were 100% positive. No one will argue this.
Fair enough.
2) You, YES YOU, decided to follow this game prelaunch. You have not invested anything in DF.
At the rate they're going, no one will have anything invested in DF for quite some time. God only knows when it will come out, if it is released at all.
3) Aventurine has every right to not tell us anything until the game is ready for purchase, yet they still take the time to keep us in the loop.
And exactly when do they take that time? The official forums are filled with people bitching about how secretive Aventurine is, and that without the beta leakers out there, the game community would be dead due to Aventurine's lack of information. There's also a fair amount of (justified) anger over the fact that we're now one week from the latest release date and there's no info. They're wondering why no one can take 5-10 mins out of their day to update the fans on a regular basis about how Darkfall is coming along.
The official site hasn't been updated in months except to add the White Border. There are no dev posts anywhere. The only interaction at all is from that pointless "interview" that Tasos turned into this site just recently. Even the fans on the officical site know this.
4) Them failing to meet announced dates is NOT lieing.
It is when you outright bullshit people by saying that your game is feature complete, in better shape than any other MMO that has come before it, and could launch any day at all.
5) They don't "suck at PR"...they made a choice to not dedicate their resources to it in the same way of other MMOs that have spolied us with lots of info prelaunch (most of which have failed miserably).
That's a fanboy excuse, nothing more. They're shit at PR and at keeping their players informed of the game's progress. Even their most dedicated fans on the official boards know it.
The only thing that you have a right to judge Darkfall on is the finished product on release....that is it.
Nah. People have the right to judge a company based on how they handle game development, too. How a company treats its potential players when a game is in development is a good indicator how they will treat those fans once a game goes live.
Really.. fanboyism should be censored in the forums as well as trollism.
Anyway..
Yes they have made many mistakes. Don't label them as "rookie" to make them look less important.
True it's our decision to follow the game. So is our decision to critizise what we consider to be absurd or ridicule.
Yes they have the right to not say anything. We have the right to get to conclusions and express them.
About them lying.. if you say you are going to do something in 2008 and you don't.. are you lying? If you say you could jump better and longer than anyone and you don't.. are you lying?
And yes they suck at PR, very much. Very very much.
To the OP- you have GOT to be crazy. I haven't seen this much spin since Superman entered the phone booth. There are literally hundreds of threads, all quoting Tasos from the past few months, on this site alone as well as the few they haven't deleted on the official forums. All of them show a timeline of Tasos' blatant lies. He alone deserves whatever blame resides with the company, since his "being a dev, that just happened to want to take on the role of talking head" and then completely showing his clear lack of understanding of BOTH. Money has nothing to do with it at this point, other than force the game to take longer.
There are FUNDAMENTAL flaws in the way they have coded and modeled. Nothing at this point can change that, other than starting over from scratch. You really think those towers are now there because of trying to let more players in?! No, they are there because they could not figure out how to optimize the animations/ models of the npcs, so that they don't crash especially when they are chasing a player through a highly populated town. They then decide to stick a tower (series of box faces, with a pyramid face structure on top) with a "ray gun" to act on the guard's behalf. Newsflash, that is a cheap man's cover up for lack of understanding how to model/ animate THE RIGHT WAY. I can go on, as I have in the past, about the flaws in their CG, but I won't for sake of staying on topic.
Then with Tasos' PR side, as a "dev" of his "game", it would be natural to try to show it in the best light possible, both for investors and for gamers. He is after all trying to sell a game. To the world. The last thing he should have ever done was promise that this was the greatest thing since we discovered fire, and then turn around and make up excuses that were flimsy and transparent at best. No, in the PR department, he makes John Smedley look honest.
So if he fails at being a dev, and he fails at PR, what good is he to Adventurine? They would be better served closing up shop (they sure as hell won't be getting the money for a do-over this time, like they did in '03), and make sure Tasos never, ever works in the business again. He brings far too much baggage to any new venture.
Waiting for- Tera, Jumpgate Evo, WH40K, WWE, WOD, TSW -- -- "Hey, if Activision liked it, then they should have put a ring on it," Double Fine President Tim Schafer said. "Oh great, now Beyonce is going to sue me too."
Too bad I have to go to work in a few. If your gonna quote, then get it right. Tasos made that statement. Did you even read the whole thing? I'll link it up again for ya. The part you quoted is the last one on the first page.
Oh the irony, using a Tasos quote from 2005 to 'prove' Tasos and Aventurine have never lied or done anything wrong, what were you thinking?
"Aventurine comes out of its virtual information blackout to let us in on the status of its fantasy-themed online world"
Good to see they have improved their community relations so much over the last 4 years, thankfully those virtual information blackouts are a thing of the distant past.
"Claus Grovdal: Darkfall is freedom to have fun straight from the box. There are no set grinds that you need to go through in order to enjoy the end game. There's no level grind, no money grind, no item grind."
Anyone in Beta will tell you that is total BS, Darkfall is a grindtastic grindathon grindfest up there amongst the greatest Free to Play Asian grinders.
Tasos Flambouras: Fans have been speculating and/or hoping that Darkfall is "the new Ultima Online" or "Shadowbane done differently". We don't think of Darkfall like that.
Good because non of your fans will either.
Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website.
4 years later...
Tasos Flambouras: Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately.
4 years later ... and then just continuously delay it after saying you would never announce it until you were sure you would meet it.
Henning Ludvigsen: Graphically, the longer development time has given us a chance to make the art better, improve the animations, etc.
Improve the animations, good one!, but wait, we are seeing the improved animations?, imagine what they must of been like before they were 'improved'
Tasos Flambouras: But the main reason is that we decided that it's time to show Darkfall, rather than keep talking about it - we believe that it will speak for itself better than we ever could.
That's why 4 years later Darkfall beta is still under NDA 1 week from launch, so it can speak for itself.
And that's why over the last 4 years Darkfall has never been shown to the mainstream gaming press.
And Tasos never has stopped talking about it, because Tasos's and a few of his friends and supporters could speak for Darkfall better then Darkfall ever could for itself, even 1 week from launch.
Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game.
4 years later ... but now we find out we have to preorder to get a chance to play test the game, after you said there would never be preorders and we would all get a chance to try the game before buying it.
Claus Grovdal: We're looking forward to the clan beta test where we'll get the chance to play around with the various rulesets.
Whatever happened to that clan beta in 2005?, oh yea right.
When even polar has to drop his famous sarkasm to rehash the usual troll rubbish, u know they are desperate.
Yes it was not released in 2005 like they thought, get over it.
U have friends in beta who dont like the game? well they are a minority.
2) You, YES YOU, decided to follow this game prelaunch. You have not invested anything in DF. At the rate they're going, no one will have anything invested in DF for quite some time. God only knows when it will come out, if it is released at all. It is going to be released...people who still think its a possibility that it wont ever release show their predjudice. 3) Aventurine has every right to not tell us anything until the game is ready for purchase, yet they still take the time to keep us in the loop. There are no dev posts anywhere.
Not to the public anyways...whose to say they arent spending their time getting the game as polished as they possibly can and talking to the beta community? Rather than dealing with the pathetic MMO community that debates on forums prelaunch (myself included)
5) They don't "suck at PR"...they made a choice to not dedicate their resources to it in the same way of other MMOs that have spolied us with lots of info prelaunch (most of which have failed miserably).
That's a fanboy excuse, nothing more. They're shit at PR and at keeping their players informed of the game's progress. Even their most dedicated fans on the official boards know it.
Thats a troll response, nothing more. Again they arent "shit at PR" since they openly stated long ago that they were not going to be doing much of any PR. So for you to expect them to do otherwise means you have issues reading.
The only thing that you have a right to judge Darkfall on is the finished product on release....that is it.
Nah. People have the right to judge a company based on how they handle game development, too. How a company treats its potential players when a game is in development is a good indicator how they will treat those fans once a game goes live.
Um no. This isnt "how they treat their potential players". They told their "potential players" "hey guys, we are a small staff and will be mainly developing the game with very limited PR" so to expect anything more is ridiculous. And to say that them following through on their PR strategy exactly as they promised is them treating potential players badly is just trolling.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Really.. fanboyism should be censored in the forums as well as trollism. Yup you troll, i fanboy, lets ban everyone.
True it's our decision to follow the game. So is our decision to critizise what we consider to be absurd or ridicule. Yea and that decision is ignorant, which is the point of this post. It is like me choosing to critisize your sentence structure and infer that it means you like to steal purses from old ladies. I can choose to critisize whatever i want...doesnt make it right or even plausible.
About them lying.. if you say you are going to do something in 2008 and you don't.. are you lying? You are really stretching if you want to label that as a lie. I would consider a lie as "buy our game, we have DX10, see it says so on the box"....and i would consider "we plan to release Darkfall on January 21st" and then saying "we fucked up, will release on the 25th" as a screw up. They didn't purposely lie to get something out of you.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
It is going to be released...people who still think its a possibility that it wont ever release show their predjudice.
How does anyone know when this game will release? Aventurine haven't said anything in weeks and they're one week from the latest promised date. No system specs, no pre-order or purchase info, nothing. I don't know what kind of business you think that is, but that tells me this game isn't coming out in a week, and that there's no indication of when it will finally see the light of day.
Not to the public anyways...whose to say they arent spending their time getting the game as polished as they possibly can and talking to the beta community? Rather than dealing with the pathetic MMO community that debates on forums prelaunch (myself included)
From what I'm reading at the beta leak sites, they're not saying much to their beta testers either. Also, what kind of amateur company can't take 5-10 minutes out of their day to update their game's fans on development progress? That makes no sense.
Thats a troll response, nothing more. Again they arent "shit at PR" since they openly stated long ago that they were not going to be doing much of any PR. So for you to expect them to do otherwise means you have issues reading.
Again-- even the official boards right now are filled with people talking about the lousy PR this game has and the total lack of dev communication. That's a problem, no matter how you want to spin it.
Um no. This isnt "how they treat their potential players". They told their "potential players" "hey guys, we are a small staff and will be mainly developing the game with very limited PR" so to expect anything more is ridiculous. And to say that them following through on their PR strategy exactly as they promised is them treating potential players badly is just trolling.
It doesn't take that long to write the occasional post updating people on the game's progress. It also doesn't take that long to update your official website and/or FAQ with new information. The "they're an indie company" excuse doesn't fly, either. I've followed small companies as they worked on their first MMO before. Aventurine just suck at any kind of real PR for their game.
Imbant and Darkstar... do you really think you are doing any good to the game? All you are accomplishing is to radicalize the positions even more.
As are you sir.
I came to this forum some days ago to find some proper discussions about the state of the game.
I wanted to know how people felt about the idea of FFA pvp, I was critical to the boats in the game as it seemed like far to much to loose for no other benefit then fast water travel.
I wanted some peoples opinion on Hybrid vs pureclass as a viable option in the game.
I was also prepared to share some of my own frustration with the delays of the game and the lack of information.
What i found however was post after post of rubbish, ppl maximizing minor issues to create extreem problems.
And i tried to find any root of truth to these acusations.
i quickly found there where none, just pampered teenagers with no frustration management, frothing in their self righteus anger about not getting any information of the game.
99% of the opinions posted was basically:
"WAAH IM NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION I FEEL I DESERVE IN MY OWN OPINION THEREFORE THE GAME MUST SUCK"
Quickly followed by:
"IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME YOU MUST BE A RETARD"
I exagerate but that was the feel of it.
Id like to think i provide a voice of reason to stop the more nonsensical, pure trolls on this board, while giving the actuall critics someone to argue with.
Imbant and Darkstar... do you really think you are doing any good to the game? All you are accomplishing is to radicalize the positions even more.
Did we say we were trying to do good for the game? the game is in the hands of aventurine, no one else...
We are just here trying to talk about a game we are excited for. People like you are here to what? Troll and try to discredit the game and the company for whatever reason?
Much rather be a rabid fanboy for a game that I enjoy and brings me fun than a guy who repeats the same slander over and over on a forum for a video game he doesnt want to play.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
What you mean besides being full of crap every step of the line? Aventurine is a shit company. They couldn't meet even a tentative schedule if they tried and 90% of the things they've said, when the deign to provide anything other than simply evasions, have proven to false, misleading, or simply nonsensical. Even judged by the abominably low levels of competency expected from MMO companies they're substandard. If by some miracle they actually produce a moderately sucessful game I'll applaud them but I'll never hold hem up as a shining example to game developers anywhaere. Seriously develop some perspective.
but the fact is, Blizzard delayed WOW more than once, and for longer than DF, WOW cut out more features than DF, and Blizzard gave bugger-all actual info about WOW prior to release.
It's just a bunch of clueless teenagers who don't know their MMO history whining and overreading what they actual say.
When even polar has to drop his famous sarkasm to rehash the usual troll rubbish, u know they are desperate.
Yes it was not released in 2005 like they thought, get over it.
U have friends in beta who dont like the game? well they are a minority.
-Darkstar
Lol do you even read what Tasos says or do you make stuff up that you want to hear in your mind?
The interview has so many funny quotes if you look at the state of the game, you seriously can't defend them Dark, its plain daft.
Use some reason and logic man
Sure, nothing is really needed past the obvious.
They wanted to release in 2005, something came up, like it often does.
They didnt have the resources to just throw money at it like some ppl can, hiring 20 extra developers for emergency work.
And so they had to start from scratch in some areas and that takes time.
From what I understand they had to redo the engine, which considering the amount of improvement game engines went thru in 2005 makes alot of sense to me.
Blizzard delayed WOW more than once, and for longer than DF, WOW cut out more features than DF, and Blizzard gave bugger-all actual info about WOW prior to release.
You're not seriously comparing Aventurine to Blizzard, are you? I thought the fanboy line was that AV is an indie company that couldn't possibly be held to the same standards as a big company like Blizzard.
It's just a bunch of clueless teenagers who don't know their MMO history whining and overreading what they actual say.
The only overreaction I'm seeing on these boards lately is from the fanboys who can't cope with any skepticism about DF or criticism of Aventurine.
I am just curious if you are going to make a whine post every day for the next 7 days?
For all the polarized posts on this board, you have been just as much a troll in your short amount of time as anyone else. You are part of the problem with these boards not a solution. You already know this, but keep up the facade of board warrior anyways.
The one critique I would give is mix things up. You are WAY to repetitive and your entertainment value starts to drop. Perhaps you can hit up another angle at some point and really get a good troll thread going. That is the whole point to your posts right? I mean there is no other value present in them.
Keep up the good work of surpressing any real discussion...
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
What you mean besides being full of crap every step of the line? Aventurine is a shit company. They couldn't meet even a tentative schedule if they tried and 90% of the things they've said, when the deign to provide anything other than simply evasions, have proven to false, misleading, or simply nonsensical. Even judged by the abominably low levels of competency expected from MMO companies they're substandard. If by some miracle they actually produce a moderately sucessful game I'll applaud them but I'll never hold hem up as a shining example to game developers anywhaere. Seriously develop some perspective.
but the fact is, Blizzard delayed WOW more than once, and for longer than DF, WOW cut out more features than DF, and Blizzard gave bugger-all actual info about WOW prior to release.
It's just a bunch of clueless teenagers who don't know their MMO history whining and overreading what they actual say.
Maybe they did, although not for so long and not so deeply as Aventurine, there is no comparison. I wonder who is clueless here really. Get your facts right before posting.
When even polar has to drop his famous sarkasm to rehash the usual troll rubbish, u know they are desperate.
A company doing a total U-turn and announcing it will offer preorders for a chance at early access to a limited staged launch for its game that's still in a state of early beta testing, that's still under NDA 1 week from its latest 'Launch' date, that has most of its features and content still 'turned off',and still apparently in 'debug mode' for 'testing purposes' awaiting a last minute wonder patch that will fix and add everything missing looks desperate to me.
The last few remaining members of Darkfalls passionate community that still have the courage to post on this website under their previous accounts that were promoting Darkfall up till recently as the holy grail and next coming of open PvP sandbox MMO's that called anyone who disagreed with them 'trolls' that have now resorted to the "yeah but they don't owe us anything so stop whining its got potential and their only poor independent developers that never lie or do any wrong" spiel looks desperate to me.
Why you would think someone who's entire list of 'troll hater' predictions have unfortunatly all come true recently would be desperate I fail to see, I'm just enjoying the fireworks, get over it.
Yes it was not released in 2005 like they thought, get over it. Yes it was also not released in 2003,2004,2006,2007, "within 2008", or "Jan 22nd 2009" like they thought or led us to believe, and it might not on "Feb 25th 2009", so get over it and stop whining Aventurine has not lied or done any wrong, get over it.
U have friends in beta who dont like the game? well they are a minority.
Yeah I have friends in beta who don't like the game, get over it, hopefully for Aventurine they are the minority and if they keep getting banned for 'trolling' when expressing criticism and saying this game is no where near ready to launch on the 25th they will be, so get over it.
-Darkstar -Polarization who's desperately rehashing the usual troll rubbish with his so called famous sarcasm, get over it. Did I mention you should get over it and stop whining because they never lied or done any wrong because my quote proves it and I say so, anyone who disagrees with me is only trolling, so get over it and stop whining because its only a game so get a life and stop wasting your time.
Blizzard delayed WOW more than once, and for longer than DF, WOW cut out more features than DF, and Blizzard gave bugger-all actual info about WOW prior to release. You're not seriously comparing Aventurine to Blizzard, are you? I thought the fanboy line was that AV is an indie company that couldn't possibly be held to the same standards as a big company like Blizzard. It's just a bunch of clueless teenagers who don't know their MMO history whining and overreading what they actual say. The only overreaction I'm seeing on these boards lately is from the fanboys who can't cope with any skepticism about DF or criticism of Aventurine.
Do you just spew or do you actually care to address the points he made?
He is comparing the fact that WoW (a huge MMO) delayed multiple times and by some of the definitions in this thread "lied" to the community and were somewhat similar with their info.
This is a legit comparison but your one track mind refuses to even acknowledge that a "fanboy" has made a statement that you may have to back down on. We do it all the time...why cant you?
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
People keep saying cut them some slack. Why? We, as a gaming community, owe them nothing. It is their job to convince us to part with our money to play their game. The ball is in their court, and they keep dropping it.
And, although I am far from a WoW fan, Blizzard did not delay their game longer than this has been delayed. I was playing AC1 in beta, I am not a teenager new to MMOs. When that game was fairly new the Forumfallers were spanmming the Darktide forums then about this game.
Being skeptical is not being a troll. Until the game launches, people expecting it not to launch have not been proven wrong. I expected WISH to launch. From all appearances, WISH was more complete at the time it cancelled (I was in beta and would have paid for it at that time) than Darkfall is now. So I don't have much faith in Darkfall. Sorry if that hurts people's feelings.
OMFG I just thought this was so fucking funny, I imagine this must be what the OP looks like after he read a couple of those comments. Fanbois I swear...
and maybe the Devs. aren't the problem, but Tasos has got to be the worst (well as that person put it earlier) "face person" they couldve picked. Hes so full of himself I think thats why everyone hates him.
After finding this quote in another thread, i was reminded of how much some of you people are crying like little babies.
You are advocating that MMORPG.com shut down the forums. If there's no whining, and no crying like little babies allowed, then no one would be able to post anymore, including you.
After finding this quote in another thread, i was reminded of how much some of you people are crying like little babies.
You are advocating that MMORPG.com shut down the forums. If there's no whining, and no crying like little babies allowed, then no one would be able to post anymore, including you.
Heaven forbid the possibility of some proper discussions on these boards.
He is comparing the fact that WoW (a huge MMO) delayed multiple times and by some of the definitions in this thread "lied" to the community and were somewhat similar with their info.
Except that by the time Blizzard started working on WoW, they had already developed a reputation of releasing games "when they're done", so people knew to expect delays and periods without detailed info. Blizzard ALSO had a reputation for putting out quality games that have enormous replay value. They'd earned the right to delay games and to take their time in development, since folks knew that the wait would ultimately be worth it.
This is a legit comparison but your one track mind refuses to even acknowledge that a "fanboy" has made a statement that you may have to back down on. We do it all the time...why cant you?
It's not a legit comparison. Aventurine hasn't earned the reputation for quality that Blizzard has. Why do you think people are willing to wait an age and a half for Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3? Because they know Blizzard's past performance, and they know the wait will be worth it.
If Aventurine can't be expected to live up to Blizzard's ability to do marketing or promotion, or in programming an MMO in less than a decade (since WoW only took between 4-5 years from when they started to when they launched), why should they be given any benefits of the doubt that Blizzard has earned through their past performance?
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Oh the irony, using a Tasos quote from 2005 to 'prove' Tasos and Aventurine have never lied or done anything wrong, what were you thinking?
"Aventurine comes out of its virtual information blackout to let us in on the status of its fantasy-themed online world"
Good to see they have improved their community relations so much over the last 4 years, thankfully those virtual information blackouts are a thing of the distant past.
"Claus Grovdal: Darkfall is freedom to have fun straight from the box. There are no set grinds that you need to go through in order to enjoy the end game. There's no level grind, no money grind, no item grind."
Anyone in Beta will tell you that is total BS, Darkfall is a grindtastic grindathon grindfest up there amongst the greatest Free to Play Asian grinders.
Tasos Flambouras: Fans have been speculating and/or hoping that Darkfall is "the new Ultima Online" or "Shadowbane done differently". We don't think of Darkfall like that.
Good because non of your fans will either.
Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website.
4 years later...
Tasos Flambouras: Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately.
4 years later ... and then just continuously delay it after saying you would never announce it until you were sure you would meet it.
Henning Ludvigsen: Graphically, the longer development time has given us a chance to make the art better, improve the animations, etc.
Improve the animations, good one!, but wait, we are seeing the improved animations?, imagine what they must of been like before they were 'improved'
Tasos Flambouras: But the main reason is that we decided that it's time to show Darkfall, rather than keep talking about it - we believe that it will speak for itself better than we ever could.
That's why 4 years later Darkfall beta is still under NDA 1 week from launch, so it can speak for itself.
And that's why over the last 4 years Darkfall has never been shown to the mainstream gaming press.
And Tasos never has stopped talking about it, because Tasos's and a few of his friends and supporters could speak for Darkfall better then Darkfall ever could for itself, even 1 week from launch.
Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game.
4 years later ... but now we find out we have to preorder to get a chance to play test the game, after you said there would never be preorders and we would all get a chance to try the game before buying it.
Claus Grovdal: We're looking forward to the clan beta test where we'll get the chance to play around with the various rulesets.
Whatever happened to that clan beta in 2005?, oh yea right.
Really.. fanboyism should be censored in the forums as well as trollism.
Anyway..
Yes they have made many mistakes. Don't label them as "rookie" to make them look less important.
True it's our decision to follow the game. So is our decision to critizise what we consider to be absurd or ridicule.
Yes they have the right to not say anything. We have the right to get to conclusions and express them.
About them lying.. if you say you are going to do something in 2008 and you don't.. are you lying? If you say you could jump better and longer than anyone and you don't.. are you lying?
And yes they suck at PR, very much. Very very much.
To the OP- you have GOT to be crazy. I haven't seen this much spin since Superman entered the phone booth. There are literally hundreds of threads, all quoting Tasos from the past few months, on this site alone as well as the few they haven't deleted on the official forums. All of them show a timeline of Tasos' blatant lies. He alone deserves whatever blame resides with the company, since his "being a dev, that just happened to want to take on the role of talking head" and then completely showing his clear lack of understanding of BOTH. Money has nothing to do with it at this point, other than force the game to take longer.
There are FUNDAMENTAL flaws in the way they have coded and modeled. Nothing at this point can change that, other than starting over from scratch. You really think those towers are now there because of trying to let more players in?! No, they are there because they could not figure out how to optimize the animations/ models of the npcs, so that they don't crash especially when they are chasing a player through a highly populated town. They then decide to stick a tower (series of box faces, with a pyramid face structure on top) with a "ray gun" to act on the guard's behalf. Newsflash, that is a cheap man's cover up for lack of understanding how to model/ animate THE RIGHT WAY. I can go on, as I have in the past, about the flaws in their CG, but I won't for sake of staying on topic.
Then with Tasos' PR side, as a "dev" of his "game", it would be natural to try to show it in the best light possible, both for investors and for gamers. He is after all trying to sell a game. To the world. The last thing he should have ever done was promise that this was the greatest thing since we discovered fire, and then turn around and make up excuses that were flimsy and transparent at best. No, in the PR department, he makes John Smedley look honest.
So if he fails at being a dev, and he fails at PR, what good is he to Adventurine? They would be better served closing up shop (they sure as hell won't be getting the money for a do-over this time, like they did in '03), and make sure Tasos never, ever works in the business again. He brings far too much baggage to any new venture.
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Tried- L2, Ryzom, WAR, DDO, PWI, Tab Rasa, Requiem, Champs, AA, JD, PWI, SUN, Dawntide
Played- SWG (pre-cu), AoC, VG, WoW, LoTRO,CoX, EQ2, DAOC, GW, PotBS, Aion, MO,APB, NASA, Fallen Earth, DCUO, Rift
Playing- EVE, Black Prophecy, TOR
Waiting for- Tera, Jumpgate Evo, WH40K, WWE, WOD, TSW
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"Hey, if Activision liked it, then they should have put a ring on it," Double Fine President Tim Schafer said. "Oh great, now Beyonce is going to sue me too."
Oh the irony, using a Tasos quote from 2005 to 'prove' Tasos and Aventurine have never lied or done anything wrong, what were you thinking?
"Aventurine comes out of its virtual information blackout to let us in on the status of its fantasy-themed online world"
Good to see they have improved their community relations so much over the last 4 years, thankfully those virtual information blackouts are a thing of the distant past.
"Claus Grovdal: Darkfall is freedom to have fun straight from the box. There are no set grinds that you need to go through in order to enjoy the end game. There's no level grind, no money grind, no item grind."
Anyone in Beta will tell you that is total BS, Darkfall is a grindtastic grindathon grindfest up there amongst the greatest Free to Play Asian grinders.
Tasos Flambouras: Fans have been speculating and/or hoping that Darkfall is "the new Ultima Online" or "Shadowbane done differently". We don't think of Darkfall like that.
Good because non of your fans will either.
Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website.
4 years later...
Tasos Flambouras: Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately.
4 years later ... and then just continuously delay it after saying you would never announce it until you were sure you would meet it.
Henning Ludvigsen: Graphically, the longer development time has given us a chance to make the art better, improve the animations, etc.
Improve the animations, good one!, but wait, we are seeing the improved animations?, imagine what they must of been like before they were 'improved'
Tasos Flambouras: But the main reason is that we decided that it's time to show Darkfall, rather than keep talking about it - we believe that it will speak for itself better than we ever could.
That's why 4 years later Darkfall beta is still under NDA 1 week from launch, so it can speak for itself.
And that's why over the last 4 years Darkfall has never been shown to the mainstream gaming press.
And Tasos never has stopped talking about it, because Tasos's and a few of his friends and supporters could speak for Darkfall better then Darkfall ever could for itself, even 1 week from launch.
Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game.
4 years later ... but now we find out we have to preorder to get a chance to play test the game, after you said there would never be preorders and we would all get a chance to try the game before buying it.
Claus Grovdal: We're looking forward to the clan beta test where we'll get the chance to play around with the various rulesets.
Whatever happened to that clan beta in 2005?, oh yea right.
When even polar has to drop his famous sarkasm to rehash the usual troll rubbish, u know they are desperate.
Yes it was not released in 2005 like they thought, get over it.
U have friends in beta who dont like the game? well they are a minority.
-Darkstar
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Imbant and Darkstar... do you really think you are doing any good to the game? All you are accomplishing is to radicalize the positions even more.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Reported for racism.
Oh, and ur wrong.
-Darkstar
As are you sir.
I came to this forum some days ago to find some proper discussions about the state of the game.
I wanted to know how people felt about the idea of FFA pvp, I was critical to the boats in the game as it seemed like far to much to loose for no other benefit then fast water travel.
I wanted some peoples opinion on Hybrid vs pureclass as a viable option in the game.
I was also prepared to share some of my own frustration with the delays of the game and the lack of information.
What i found however was post after post of rubbish, ppl maximizing minor issues to create extreem problems.
And i tried to find any root of truth to these acusations.
i quickly found there where none, just pampered teenagers with no frustration management, frothing in their self righteus anger about not getting any information of the game.
99% of the opinions posted was basically:
"WAAH IM NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION I FEEL I DESERVE IN MY OWN OPINION THEREFORE THE GAME MUST SUCK"
Quickly followed by:
"IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME YOU MUST BE A RETARD"
I exagerate but that was the feel of it.
Id like to think i provide a voice of reason to stop the more nonsensical, pure trolls on this board, while giving the actuall critics someone to argue with.
-Darkstar
Did we say we were trying to do good for the game? the game is in the hands of aventurine, no one else...
We are just here trying to talk about a game we are excited for. People like you are here to what? Troll and try to discredit the game and the company for whatever reason?
Much rather be a rabid fanboy for a game that I enjoy and brings me fun than a guy who repeats the same slander over and over on a forum for a video game he doesnt want to play.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
When even polar has to drop his famous sarkasm to rehash the usual troll rubbish, u know they are desperate.
Yes it was not released in 2005 like they thought, get over it.
U have friends in beta who dont like the game? well they are a minority.
-Darkstar
Lol do you even read what Tasos says or do you make stuff up that you want to hear in your mind?
The interview has so many funny quotes if you look at the state of the game, you seriously can't defend them Dark, its plain daft.
Use some reason and logic man
but the fact is, Blizzard delayed WOW more than once, and for longer than DF, WOW cut out more features than DF, and Blizzard gave bugger-all actual info about WOW prior to release.
It's just a bunch of clueless teenagers who don't know their MMO history whining and overreading what they actual say.
When even polar has to drop his famous sarkasm to rehash the usual troll rubbish, u know they are desperate.
Yes it was not released in 2005 like they thought, get over it.
U have friends in beta who dont like the game? well they are a minority.
-Darkstar
Lol do you even read what Tasos says or do you make stuff up that you want to hear in your mind?
The interview has so many funny quotes if you look at the state of the game, you seriously can't defend them Dark, its plain daft.
Use some reason and logic man
Sure, nothing is really needed past the obvious.
They wanted to release in 2005, something came up, like it often does.
They didnt have the resources to just throw money at it like some ppl can, hiring 20 extra developers for emergency work.
And so they had to start from scratch in some areas and that takes time.
From what I understand they had to redo the engine, which considering the amount of improvement game engines went thru in 2005 makes alot of sense to me.
-Darkstar
Imbant,
I am just curious if you are going to make a whine post every day for the next 7 days?
For all the polarized posts on this board, you have been just as much a troll in your short amount of time as anyone else. You are part of the problem with these boards not a solution. You already know this, but keep up the facade of board warrior anyways.
The one critique I would give is mix things up. You are WAY to repetitive and your entertainment value starts to drop. Perhaps you can hit up another angle at some point and really get a good troll thread going. That is the whole point to your posts right? I mean there is no other value present in them.
Keep up the good work of surpressing any real discussion...
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
but the fact is, Blizzard delayed WOW more than once, and for longer than DF, WOW cut out more features than DF, and Blizzard gave bugger-all actual info about WOW prior to release.
It's just a bunch of clueless teenagers who don't know their MMO history whining and overreading what they actual say.
Maybe they did, although not for so long and not so deeply as Aventurine, there is no comparison. I wonder who is clueless here really. Get your facts right before posting.
Do you just spew or do you actually care to address the points he made?
He is comparing the fact that WoW (a huge MMO) delayed multiple times and by some of the definitions in this thread "lied" to the community and were somewhat similar with their info.
This is a legit comparison but your one track mind refuses to even acknowledge that a "fanboy" has made a statement that you may have to back down on. We do it all the time...why cant you?
edit to not give you an excuse to troll offtopic
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
People keep saying cut them some slack. Why? We, as a gaming community, owe them nothing. It is their job to convince us to part with our money to play their game. The ball is in their court, and they keep dropping it.
And, although I am far from a WoW fan, Blizzard did not delay their game longer than this has been delayed. I was playing AC1 in beta, I am not a teenager new to MMOs. When that game was fairly new the Forumfallers were spanmming the Darktide forums then about this game.
Being skeptical is not being a troll. Until the game launches, people expecting it not to launch have not been proven wrong. I expected WISH to launch. From all appearances, WISH was more complete at the time it cancelled (I was in beta and would have paid for it at that time) than Darkfall is now. So I don't have much faith in Darkfall. Sorry if that hurts people's feelings.
OMFG I just thought this was so fucking funny, I imagine this must be what the OP looks like after he read a couple of those comments. Fanbois I swear...
and maybe the Devs. aren't the problem, but Tasos has got to be the worst (well as that person put it earlier) "face person" they couldve picked. Hes so full of himself I think thats why everyone hates him.
You are advocating that MMORPG.com shut down the forums. If there's no whining, and no crying like little babies allowed, then no one would be able to post anymore, including you.
You are advocating that MMORPG.com shut down the forums. If there's no whining, and no crying like little babies allowed, then no one would be able to post anymore, including you.
Heaven forbid the possibility of some proper discussions on these boards.
-Darkstar