Did anyone else catch the OP say that his GUILD actually considers jumping in front of someone an ACTUAL TACTIC. I must say your guild is a bunch of Douchebags if all day they devise a strategy run into another person's sword just so you can kill them without having the penalty.
That my friend is something that you and your guild should look at and say
"Wow, we really are just lowlife Pieces of Dung, who want to practice exploiting a flawed system. Then complain when the devs actually do something that will make tactics we have of douchebagging all of those around us obselete"
I am sorry, when I read that I could be battling someone else and someone can run right into my combat cone, take some damage and make me go grey, I was like, bye Darkfall. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of in a game.
Add into that the game is all about hitting someone from the back, because you cannot see behind you at all in this game, and I am like, why would I ever want to play this game.
Their are some things I like about this game, but this game looks like it will be a cess pool of a holes.
Did anyone else catch the OP say that his GUILD actually considers jumping in front of someone an ACTUAL TACTIC. I must say your guild is a bunch of Douchebags if all day they devise a strategy run into another person's sword just so you can kill them without having the penalty. ....
Interestingly, IIRC a "troll" predicted this 'tactic' a couple of months ago and was labelled a 'hater'?
Hmmm. Looks like the Hater Troll actually knew something about MMOs and game design? Is he still a 'troll' then?
I am in beta and have pre-ordered Darkfall. Whats getting me is they put the pre-orders up then after everyone buys the game. They throw this patch out their completely changing some fundamentals of the game, wasting many hours of guilds teamwork working on tactics and formations to overcome the zergs. Now every yahoo can toggle on a visual and know exactly who to attack and who not to attack. Seriously WTF is this bs, now zerg guilds and arac guilds will have even more of an edge against smaller tatical guilds.
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There is a lesson here for you.
Don't pre-order anything... ever.
I would suggest you cancel your order if you are unhappy and if you still can.
The rogue system wasn't broke at all, it rewarded players who paid attention and not the ones blindly auto attacking mobs while IM'n and watching youtube.
you really have no clue about the game, have you? At least you should know this by now, there is no auto-attack.
geez, it is still a beta and changes will be made. who knows, it will be even "worse" ( if that is what one wants to call it) in in direction or another.
why is it that hardcore always has to be defined as "super-hardcore"? the first thing I do in game if someone boasts in chat about how they uber-pwn n00bs who can't play their class, I use /ignore. If I want to interact with stuck-up people who think they are better than others, I can go to work.
When it comes to darkfall, It is not the carebears that turn me off from trying this game, it is the uber-wanna-bes that I can live without.
That means if you hit somone that jumped in front of you, you have to stay put and being beaten for 10 seconds to not be rogue for 2 minutes? And after the 10 seconds, the one that jumped you will turn grey and then you can attack him? But you will be lower in health and will die anyway. I don't see this is a solution.
I dont think this change actually "fix" anything, people will work around the system constantly.
Imagine this now: 5-6 "douchebags" (and there will be plenty of them in a FFA-PvP-with-full-loot-game) all shoot an arrow in the back of a poor sod whos trying to kill a goblin. Just one arrow each, then they take off for 10 seconds, and then repeat again.
Now how is this better than the old system? Its actually gotten worse, since they dont have to care about flagging their victim grey, they can just flag themselfs grey, for an outstanding 10 seconds...
The worst thing is that the devs doesnt seem to see this coming.
From what I read in a review, they also need to fix the Loot Tagging, or lack thereof.
Currently if someone else loots the mob you just killed they dont get penalised for stealing, but if you attack them you go rogue. So you can't defend your hard earned loot without being penalised.
From what I read in a review, they also need to fix the Loot Tagging, or lack thereof. Currently if someone else loots the mob you just killed they dont get penalised for stealing, but if you attack them you go rogue. So you can't defend your hard earned loot without being penalised.
The loot is not yours... But if you really whant it just kill him.
I dont think this change actually "fix" anything, people will work around the system constantly. Imagine this now: 5-6 "douchebags" (and there will be plenty of them in a FFA-PvP-with-full-loot-game) all shoot an arrow in the back of a poor sod whos trying to kill a goblin. Just one arrow each, then they take off for 10 seconds, and then repeat again. Now how is this better than the old system? Its actually gotten worse, since they dont have to care about flagging their victim grey, they can just flag themselfs grey, for an outstanding 10 seconds... The worst thing is that the devs doesnt seem to see this coming.
Hmm, good observation. Hadn't thought of it that way. Though it is a lot better than it was.
Previously to see an exploit of this system result in a kill you needed:
- 1 twat jumping infront of you
Now you need:
- Multiple twats having the patience to attack once in 10 seconds for a long time and since it takes quite a while to kill anyone and that person might have pots on him, it gets a lot more tedious and harder to do.
Originally posted by mutombo55 Currently if someone else loots the mob you just killed they dont get penalised for stealing, but if you attack them you go rogue. So you can't defend your hard earned loot without being penalised.
True, but at the same time, saying something to them or sacrificing some alignment works for me. And i hate mob tagging and a lot other people too i suppose. Alignment penalty for looting blues should be in though. (maybe with the exclusion of party members so that they can save your gear?)
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
As for those "hardcore" pvpers whining i dont see the problem, just go red you twat and stop whining.
Haha Kokopuff, this line wtfpwn you.
Maybe you are the carebear afraid of fighting players without using a broken part of the game. Some of us play for the PvP part of Darkfall, not to exploit every flaws the game has. You will probably whine if they chose to make the UI, magic, siege and animation better...or more carebear as you would call it.
I agree, you're overreacting. The rogue system was seriopusly broken. People were constantly jumping in front of others to intercept their attack, that way they could kill and loot them with no penalty. That's not hardcare, is complete douchebaggery. The idea is that you're not supposed to kill your race without some penalty. If you exploit a game mechanic it doesn't add to the immersion and reality factor, it makes you a piece of garbage. Also, don't turn on the teammate visuals if you don't want them. It doesn't have to affect your precious fog of war. From the notes I've read I only want the game more. The devs seem to have a very good idea of how to correct the seemingly major issues of the game. It gives me more hope for the future of the game.
The rogue system wasn't broke at all, it rewarded players who paid attention and not the ones blindly auto attacking mobs while IM'n and watching youtube. If in real life you accidently hit someone else with your weapon first guess whos at fault? Darkfall had the same system in place, but now its failing one concession here and their that dumb down the game mechanics is all it takes to make this game catered to the ignorant, stupid, blind legions of carebears who've ruined so many games in past years.
What are you talking about.
It's like in real life someone jumps in front of me while I am trying to shoot a deer.
I become an murderer just because a stupid ass decided to get in the line of sight between me and the deer on purpose..............
There has to be a willing intention to attack another in order to become a rogue, and if I am attacking a mob and you get in front of me so i accidentally hit you and become a rogue, that to me is a fucking exploit of the game mechanics.
Alignment Rogue handling has been tweaked: * If you have positive alignment and attack another player with positive alignment, you will go rogue for 10 seconds
* Every subsequent attack towards a good player while on the 10 second rogue mode will make you go rogue for at least 2 minutes
Carebears have already started their dumbing down of the rogue system.
Players in the same clan will now have a visual marker to identify each other. This can be toggled by /clan_toggle_display
# Players in the same party will now have a visual marker to identify each other. This can be toggled by /party_toggle_display
Carebears don't know who to attack now have have nice shiney visual floatey's above their friendly's. Nice to have fog of the war thrown out of the game just before launch.
Next patch will probably remove friendly fire and add guard towers to all wilderness banks, and if were lucky we can get insurance's on all our gear so if we die we just lose some money.
If you had played the game you may have a clue but you don't , the rogue changes will be interesting and the starter areas it really effect constitute0.01% of the Game World at most.
The changes actually make it more hardcore as people will not get free kills you obviously don't understand this.... they can kill anytime but will have to take the hit. Thats if they really want shoddy goblin loot.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Cheer up! I'm sure the griefers and exploiters will run them off in no time. Before long the main playerbase will be no where around and you won't have to listen to them complain about things anymore. Consequently the game may be dead ... but hey, no more carebears right?
The loot is not yours... But if you really whant it just kill him.
Please read my post again and try to understand the point.
Yep i do understand you, But the system is as it is. Do like me and addjust to it. There cant be any "fair" system without making the game like the rest... soon people scream party members looted my stuff, guild mates looted my stuff... and we would end up with wow system or something...
and if someone rushes up to "my" kills and loots them i would let it pass the first few times,,,, then get angry ofc and kill the bitches. This is what Sandbox is about, Not put rules on things we players whant to decide.
The loot is not yours... But if you really whant it just kill him.
Please read my post again and try to understand the point.
Yep i do understand you, But the system is as it is. Do like me and addjust to it. There cant be any "fair" system without making the game like the rest... soon people scream party members looted my stuff, guild mates looted my stuff... and we would end up with wow system or something...
and if someone rushes up to "my" kills and loots them i would let it pass the first few times,,,, then get angry ofc and kill the bitches. This is what Sandbox is about, Not put rules on things we players whant to decide.
Its coming in patch 127, its started and it will continue. They have made concessions already and will continue, yeah they said loot is only yours when its in the bank. Just give it some more time and they will listen to the QQ'rs whose loot is getting ninjad and make up a arbitrary loot flagging penalty system, that no one wants, but the carebears.
The loot is not yours... But if you really whant it just kill him.
Please read my post again and try to understand the point.
Yep i do understand you, But the system is as it is. Do like me and addjust to it. There cant be any "fair" system without making the game like the rest... soon people scream party members looted my stuff, guild mates looted my stuff... and we would end up with wow system or something...
and if someone rushes up to "my" kills and loots them i would let it pass the first few times,,,, then get angry ofc and kill the bitches. This is what Sandbox is about, Not put rules on things we players whant to decide.
Its coming in patch 127, its started and it will continue. They have made concessions already and will continue, yeah they said loot is only yours when its in the bank. Just give it some more time and they will listen to the QQ'rs whose loot is getting ninjad and make up a arbitrary loot flagging penalty system, that no one wants, but the carebears.
Exept that everyone wants it, because its a solid design choice.
Not that u really care mr "kokopuff" with 19 posts who "suddenly" joined us.
The loot is not yours... But if you really whant it just kill him.
Please read my post again and try to understand the point.
Yep i do understand you, But the system is as it is. Do like me and addjust to it. There cant be any "fair" system without making the game like the rest... soon people scream party members looted my stuff, guild mates looted my stuff... and we would end up with wow system or something...
and if someone rushes up to "my" kills and loots them i would let it pass the first few times,,,, then get angry ofc and kill the bitches. This is what Sandbox is about, Not put rules on things we players whant to decide.
Its coming in patch 127, its started and it will continue. They have made concessions already and will continue, yeah they said loot is only yours when its in the bank. Just give it some more time and they will listen to the QQ'rs whose loot is getting ninjad and make up a arbitrary loot flagging penalty system, that no one wants, but the carebears.
Exept that everyone wants it, because its a solid design choice.
Not that u really care mr "kokopuff" with 19 posts who "suddenly" joined us.
-Darkstar
ye ait hink most people would want that like ti was in uo not sure if the devs are going to do it tho. most changes where needed
Hes a 29 year old adult using the word carebear.If thats not enough evidence to sway you into realising how much of a tool he is,then look at his 'tactic' of using an exploit to gain an advantage.
He doesnt want pvp,he wants a game where he can grief and gank to his hearts content to fill the empty void that is hie life.Hes probably one of those people who join friendly fire fps games and then shoots his teammates whilst calling them 'noob' or some other childlike insult and thinks hes really awesome doing it.
The rogue system overhaul is needed, and there should have been a few more changes done. However, I can agree with the OP on the Teamate issues. I think that probably was a bad decision to implement it that way.
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Did anyone else catch the OP say that his GUILD actually considers jumping in front of someone an ACTUAL TACTIC. I must say your guild is a bunch of Douchebags if all day they devise a strategy run into another person's sword just so you can kill them without having the penalty.
That my friend is something that you and your guild should look at and say
"Wow, we really are just lowlife Pieces of Dung, who want to practice exploiting a flawed system. Then complain when the devs actually do something that will make tactics we have of douchebagging all of those around us obselete"
I am sorry, when I read that I could be battling someone else and someone can run right into my combat cone, take some damage and make me go grey, I was like, bye Darkfall. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of in a game.
Add into that the game is all about hitting someone from the back, because you cannot see behind you at all in this game, and I am like, why would I ever want to play this game.
Their are some things I like about this game, but this game looks like it will be a cess pool of a holes.
and the OP is proving my point
Interestingly, IIRC a "troll" predicted this 'tactic' a couple of months ago and was labelled a 'hater'?
Hmmm. Looks like the Hater Troll actually knew something about MMOs and game design? Is he still a 'troll' then?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
There is a lesson here for you.
Don't pre-order anything... ever.
I would suggest you cancel your order if you are unhappy and if you still can.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
you really have no clue about the game, have you? At least you should know this by now, there is no auto-attack.
I guess a
is always a 
geez, it is still a beta and changes will be made. who knows, it will be even "worse" ( if that is what one wants to call it) in in direction or another.
why is it that hardcore always has to be defined as "super-hardcore"? the first thing I do in game if someone boasts in chat about how they uber-pwn n00bs who can't play their class, I use /ignore. If I want to interact with stuck-up people who think they are better than others, I can go to work.
When it comes to darkfall, It is not the carebears that turn me off from trying this game, it is the uber-wanna-bes that I can live without.
That means if you hit somone that jumped in front of you, you have to stay put and being beaten for 10 seconds to not be rogue for 2 minutes? And after the 10 seconds, the one that jumped you will turn grey and then you can attack him? But you will be lower in health and will die anyway. I don't see this is a solution.
These changes where needed, devs done a very good job by nailing these issues before launch.
As for those "hardcore" pvpers whining i dont see the problem, just go red you twat and stop whining.
I dont think this change actually "fix" anything, people will work around the system constantly.
Imagine this now: 5-6 "douchebags" (and there will be plenty of them in a FFA-PvP-with-full-loot-game) all shoot an arrow in the back of a poor sod whos trying to kill a goblin. Just one arrow each, then they take off for 10 seconds, and then repeat again.
Now how is this better than the old system? Its actually gotten worse, since they dont have to care about flagging their victim grey, they can just flag themselfs grey, for an outstanding 10 seconds...
The worst thing is that the devs doesnt seem to see this coming.
I hate '^this' replies, but this post merrits one:
^this!
My brand new bloggity blog.
From what I read in a review, they also need to fix the Loot Tagging, or lack thereof.
Currently if someone else loots the mob you just killed they dont get penalised for stealing, but if you attack them you go rogue. So you can't defend your hard earned loot without being penalised.
The loot is not yours... But if you really whant it just kill him.
Hmm, good observation. Hadn't thought of it that way. Though it is a lot better than it was.
Previously to see an exploit of this system result in a kill you needed:
- 1 twat jumping infront of you
Now you need:
- Multiple twats having the patience to attack once in 10 seconds for a long time and since it takes quite a while to kill anyone and that person might have pots on him, it gets a lot more tedious and harder to do.
Still, we have to see how it pans out.
My brand new bloggity blog.
True, but at the same time, saying something to them or sacrificing some alignment works for me. And i hate mob tagging and a lot other people too i suppose. Alignment penalty for looting blues should be in though. (maybe with the exclusion of party members so that they can save your gear?)
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Haha Kokopuff, this line wtfpwn you.
Maybe you are the carebear afraid of fighting players without using a broken part of the game. Some of us play for the PvP part of Darkfall, not to exploit every flaws the game has. You will probably whine if they chose to make the UI, magic, siege and animation better...or more carebear as you would call it.
Why is it that every time something changes that mr "Hardcore" doesn't like, the carebears (who aren't into this game anyway) are blamed?
Please read my post again and try to understand the point.
The rogue system wasn't broke at all, it rewarded players who paid attention and not the ones blindly auto attacking mobs while IM'n and watching youtube. If in real life you accidently hit someone else with your weapon first guess whos at fault? Darkfall had the same system in place, but now its failing one concession here and their that dumb down the game mechanics is all it takes to make this game catered to the ignorant, stupid, blind legions of carebears who've ruined so many games in past years.
What are you talking about.
It's like in real life someone jumps in front of me while I am trying to shoot a deer.
I become an murderer just because a stupid ass decided to get in the line of sight between me and the deer on purpose..............
There has to be a willing intention to attack another in order to become a rogue, and if I am attacking a mob and you get in front of me so i accidentally hit you and become a rogue, that to me is a fucking exploit of the game mechanics.
So STFU please with your non sense.
If you had played the game you may have a clue but you don't , the rogue changes will be interesting and the starter areas it really effect constitute0.01% of the Game World at most.
The changes actually make it more hardcore as people will not get free kills you obviously don't understand this.... they can kill anytime but will have to take the hit. Thats if they really want shoddy goblin loot.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Cheer up! I'm sure the griefers and exploiters will run them off in no time. Before long the main playerbase will be no where around and you won't have to listen to them complain about things anymore. Consequently the game may be dead ... but hey, no more carebears right?
Please read my post again and try to understand the point.
Yep i do understand you, But the system is as it is. Do like me and addjust to it. There cant be any "fair" system without making the game like the rest... soon people scream party members looted my stuff, guild mates looted my stuff... and we would end up with wow system or something...
and if someone rushes up to "my" kills and loots them i would let it pass the first few times,,,, then get angry ofc and kill the bitches. This is what Sandbox is about, Not put rules on things we players whant to decide.
Its coming in patch 127, its started and it will continue. They have made concessions already and will continue, yeah they said loot is only yours when its in the bank. Just give it some more time and they will listen to the QQ'rs whose loot is getting ninjad and make up a arbitrary loot flagging penalty system, that no one wants, but the carebears.
Yep i do understand you, But the system is as it is. Do like me and addjust to it. There cant be any "fair" system without making the game like the rest... soon people scream party members looted my stuff, guild mates looted my stuff... and we would end up with wow system or something...
and if someone rushes up to "my" kills and loots them i would let it pass the first few times,,,, then get angry ofc and kill the bitches. This is what Sandbox is about, Not put rules on things we players whant to decide.
Its coming in patch 127, its started and it will continue. They have made concessions already and will continue, yeah they said loot is only yours when its in the bank. Just give it some more time and they will listen to the QQ'rs whose loot is getting ninjad and make up a arbitrary loot flagging penalty system, that no one wants, but the carebears.
Exept that everyone wants it, because its a solid design choice.
Not that u really care mr "kokopuff" with 19 posts who "suddenly" joined us.
-Darkstar
Yep i do understand you, But the system is as it is. Do like me and addjust to it. There cant be any "fair" system without making the game like the rest... soon people scream party members looted my stuff, guild mates looted my stuff... and we would end up with wow system or something...
and if someone rushes up to "my" kills and loots them i would let it pass the first few times,,,, then get angry ofc and kill the bitches. This is what Sandbox is about, Not put rules on things we players whant to decide.
Its coming in patch 127, its started and it will continue. They have made concessions already and will continue, yeah they said loot is only yours when its in the bank. Just give it some more time and they will listen to the QQ'rs whose loot is getting ninjad and make up a arbitrary loot flagging penalty system, that no one wants, but the carebears.
Exept that everyone wants it, because its a solid design choice.
Not that u really care mr "kokopuff" with 19 posts who "suddenly" joined us.
-Darkstar
ye ait hink most people would want that like ti was in uo not sure if the devs are going to do it tho. most changes where needed
People,people,people.
Hes a 29 year old adult using the word carebear.If thats not enough evidence to sway you into realising how much of a tool he is,then look at his 'tactic' of using an exploit to gain an advantage.
He doesnt want pvp,he wants a game where he can grief and gank to his hearts content to fill the empty void that is hie life.Hes probably one of those people who join friendly fire fps games and then shoots his teammates whilst calling them 'noob' or some other childlike insult and thinks hes really awesome doing it.
The rogue system overhaul is needed, and there should have been a few more changes done. However, I can agree with the OP on the Teamate issues. I think that probably was a bad decision to implement it that way.