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  • LashayLashay Member Posts: 104
    Originally posted by HerculesSAS


    I've done software development before, and I manage software development now for some projects... I've never seen such a drastic change the day of a release. Interesting stuff.
    But I suppose it's par for the course... in beta they were actually *adding features*, like hotkeys and such, so in reality they have no idea what a software development life cycle really means, do they?
     

    You generally don't see any normal  type of professionalism in MMO development, what we (Dev's not in MMO industry) call Alpha (or even pre alpha) MMO developers call Beta (and marketing tool), what we would call Beta they call Live

    Never sure who to blame for this, the Dev's or the players who put up with such shoddy work

    I need a new MMO world to call home as Tom Chilton keeps destroying them

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156
    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM


     Just noticed who the OP is, someone who got banned from the beta for trolling... we can call this thread officially dead. 

    go back to modding your foums! 

    I'm not a forum mod....?

    not here you are not :P

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  • SignusMSignusM Member Posts: 2,225
    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM


     Just noticed who the OP is, someone who got banned from the beta for trolling... we can call this thread officially dead. 

    go back to modding your foums! 

    I'm not a forum mod....?

    not here you are not :P

    Not anywhere I'm not. 

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156
    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM


     Just noticed who the OP is, someone who got banned from the beta for trolling... we can call this thread officially dead. 

    go back to modding your foums! 

    I'm not a forum mod....?

    not here you are not :P

    Not anywhere I'm not. 

    touche

    yeah i guess you can't be a mod when there are no forums to mod.....

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  • AselliaAsellia Member UncommonPosts: 174
    Originally posted by 123123456202

    Originally posted by Wizardry

    Originally posted by HerculesSAS


    I've done software development before, and I manage software development now for some projects... I've never seen such a drastic change the day of a release. Interesting stuff.
    But I suppose it's par for the course... in beta they were actually *adding features*, like hotkeys and such, so in reality they have no idea what a software development life cycle really means, do they?
    I'll just wait for the fanboys to flame me and say they are "professional" programmers. Anybody who is in IT or software development would laugh at adding features in a beta software. Beta is almost by definition "feature complete", and it is usually multi staged first for feature testing, compatibility testing, and finally -- stress testing. I don't think we've seen any of those stages either.
    Ah well. I'm entertertained :)

    You know what these guys are?The same 5 guys plus one greek they have always been.I laugh when people keep mentioning Aventurine,this is Razorwax's game,i doubt AV has put more than 5% into this game,this is the exact game that was built years ago.

    What these guys have been doing is trying to iron out bugs and get financial backing.They have not been successful in either area,this is why it has taken so many years.DO not expect any improvement on the game,outside of fixing bugs,their team is not 30,it is 6,probably a secretary/accountant/lawyer as well,but they are not team members.

    Unless they can start raking in tons of dough,they will never hire any more people to help with coding,and we still have to wonder ,how they will implement GM's?how about support staff?It will be a LONG road for these guys to turn profits and even longer before they can afford to upgrade the game with new content.

    If players are happy with the present game,then great ..ENJOY have fun,if they are playing on the whim that it will only get better[outside of bugs],>>>Blindfolded people.

    IMO it will be over a year before anything will be added to the game,that is a long time ,i wonder if the game has that much entertainment value to last a year+,for me the answer is no,but i guess for some they may just enjoy the little it has to offer.My decision was easy ,as I am not into PVP,seeing a dead world outside of PVP was an easy task to say no.

    http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/291125.html

    i just made your whole post pointless

     

     

    It's true; there's woman there! It must be good!

  • SignusMSignusM Member Posts: 2,225
    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM


     Just noticed who the OP is, someone who got banned from the beta for trolling... we can call this thread officially dead. 

    go back to modding your foums! 

    I'm not a forum mod....?

    not here you are not :P

    Not anywhere I'm not. 

    touche

    yeah i guess you can't be a mod when there are no forums to mod.....

    I... don't think you understand. This isn't really getting through (story of the troll right there).

     

    I'm not a forum mod. 

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156
    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM


     Just noticed who the OP is, someone who got banned from the beta for trolling... we can call this thread officially dead. 

    go back to modding your foums! 

    I'm not a forum mod....?

    not here you are not :P

    Not anywhere I'm not. 

    touche

    yeah i guess you can't be a mod when there are no forums to mod.....

    I... don't think you understand. This isn't really getting through (story of the troll right there).

     

    I'm not a forum mod. 

     

    you admitted to being one a while back, when you got outed as being Signus over at the DF forums. Your exact words were "I was a member of this site long before i was the mod over at darkfall"

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  • SignusMSignusM Member Posts: 2,225
    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM


     Just noticed who the OP is, someone who got banned from the beta for trolling... we can call this thread officially dead. 

    go back to modding your foums! 

    I'm not a forum mod....?

    not here you are not :P

    Not anywhere I'm not. 

    touche

    yeah i guess you can't be a mod when there are no forums to mod.....

    I... don't think you understand. This isn't really getting through (story of the troll right there).

     

    I'm not a forum mod. 

     

    you admitted to being one a while back, when you got outed as being Signus over at the DF forums. Your exact words were "I was a member of this site long before i was the mod over at darkfall"

    I am the Signus from the forums, and I am not a forum mod. How many times do I have to say it? 

  • HhusskHhussk City of Heroes CorrespondentMember Posts: 219
    Originally posted by HerculesSAS


    I've done software development before, and I manage software development now for some projects... I've never seen such a drastic change the day of a release. Interesting stuff.
    But I suppose it's par for the course... in beta they were actually *adding features*, like hotkeys and such, so in reality they have no idea what a software development life cycle really means, do they?
    I'll just wait for the fanboys to flame me and say they are "professional" programmers. Anybody who is in IT or software development would laugh at adding features in a beta software. Beta is almost by definition "feature complete", and it is usually multi staged first for feature testing, compatibility testing, and finally -- stress testing. I don't think we've seen any of those stages either.
    Ah well. I'm entertertained :)



     

    I'm a software programmer and I'm going to FLAME you. No, not really. You have a good point, but I would like to point out that they'll probably develop better practices by the end of the week.

    I'm just saying this: if you write off every company based on their first month of release, we probably wouldn't have any MMOs to play.

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  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156
    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM


     Just noticed who the OP is, someone who got banned from the beta for trolling... we can call this thread officially dead. 

    go back to modding your foums! 

    I'm not a forum mod....?

    not here you are not :P

    Not anywhere I'm not. 

    touche

    yeah i guess you can't be a mod when there are no forums to mod.....

    I... don't think you understand. This isn't really getting through (story of the troll right there).

     

    I'm not a forum mod. 

     

    you admitted to being one a while back, when you got outed as being Signus over at the DF forums. Your exact words were "I was a member of this site long before i was the mod over at darkfall"

    I am the Signus from the forums, and I am not a forum mod. How many times do I have to say it? 

    Because Signus on the forums is a mod.

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  • SignusMSignusM Member Posts: 2,225
    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM


     Just noticed who the OP is, someone who got banned from the beta for trolling... we can call this thread officially dead. 

    go back to modding your foums! 

    I'm not a forum mod....?

    not here you are not :P

    Not anywhere I'm not. 

    touche

    yeah i guess you can't be a mod when there are no forums to mod.....

    I... don't think you understand. This isn't really getting through (story of the troll right there).

     

    I'm not a forum mod. 

     

    you admitted to being one a while back, when you got outed as being Signus over at the DF forums. Your exact words were "I was a member of this site long before i was the mod over at darkfall"

    I am the Signus from the forums, and I am not a forum mod. How many times do I have to say it? 

    Because Signus on the forums is a mod.

    You're going to feel pretty dumb when what I'm saying finally hits home... 

  • BenthonBenthon Member Posts: 2,069
    Originally posted by miagisan


     
    you admitted to being one a while back, when you got outed as being Signus over at the DF forums. Your exact words were "I was a member of this site long before i was the mod over at darkfall"



     

    While it is commonly excepted, a developer != moderator.



    I'd rather be a moderator then a developer for this game, anyway. Less failure on my resume for my next job.

    He who keeps his cool best wins.

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156
    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by SignusM


     Just noticed who the OP is, someone who got banned from the beta for trolling... we can call this thread officially dead. 

    go back to modding your foums! 

    I'm not a forum mod....?

    not here you are not :P

    Not anywhere I'm not. 

    touche

    yeah i guess you can't be a mod when there are no forums to mod.....

    I... don't think you understand. This isn't really getting through (story of the troll right there).

     

    I'm not a forum mod. 

     

    you admitted to being one a while back, when you got outed as being Signus over at the DF forums. Your exact words were "I was a member of this site long before i was the mod over at darkfall"

    I am the Signus from the forums, and I am not a forum mod. How many times do I have to say it? 

    Because Signus on the forums is a mod.

    You're going to feel pretty dumb when what I'm saying finally hits home... 

     

    oh i am sorry you are right....you are Community Staff lol

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,955
    Originally posted by HerculesSAS


    I've done software development before, and I manage software development now for some projects... I've never seen such a drastic change the day of a release. Interesting stuff.
    But I suppose it's par for the course... in beta they were actually *adding features*, like hotkeys and such, so in reality they have no idea what a software development life cycle really means, do they?
    I'll just wait for the fanboys to flame me and say they are "professional" programmers. Anybody who is in IT or software development would laugh at adding features in a beta software. Beta is almost by definition "feature complete", and it is usually multi staged first for feature testing, compatibility testing, and finally -- stress testing. I don't think we've seen any of those stages either.
    Ah well. I'm entertertained :)



     

    Ok, well, let's say they aren't professionals. They were still actually able to make a game as amateurs then.

    I think that really is the issue. People are forgetting that this is an indy company and whether you feel they are professional enough, they were finally able to to make it happen. If anything, if they are amateurs then they should be commended for their efforts as I don't know many amateurs who could create a whole game with the scope of an mmo.

    In any case, I would rather have a 400 mb patch on release day then "no" 400 mb patch if you get my drift.

    As long as players take this game for what it is and with a grain of salt, I think that the people who have been looking for something like this will be able to enjoy it.

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    Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo 
  • HerculesSASHerculesSAS Member Posts: 1,272

    Oddly enough Signus, you're the one who mods the DF channel in IRC and you're on here gloating before the launch, trolling worse than the trolls who are against AV, and more.

     

    Yes, I was banned from the launch of the game.. I even messaged you about it and you looked into it for me. I guess you forget. You told me if trolls like Lethe and Napalm could continue on the forums, there was no reason that I should have been banned.



    I posted that combat sucked in the forums, and it was lifeless and needed work. 13 pages of replies later, full of "go back to wow noob" and other insults by the forum members, it was locked. I only made the initial thread and said that there was no diversity or depth to combat, and that it pretty much sucked and needed an overhaul. That got me banned. Trolling -- really? Why did they DELETE all my posts then? Go ahead and search, you won't find them. Because it showed the game in a negative light, and instead of issuing a warning like most forums do (I had NEVER had a warning before), I got banned from the game about 2 weeks after I started playing it.

     

    I hope you enjoy the game, I hope it does well and I hope it's fun. But given what I've seen, and that they have made no effort in trying to change the way combat works other than "click click click", I don't see the depth of it lasting too long. If you're in a big guild, it will be fun because your organization counts more than almost anything.

     

    Honestly what does it say about the people chosen to mod the IRC channels, the forums, etc.. when they are coming to the MMORPG forums and TROLLING THEM? It's hilarious. Usually you have a bit of adult behavior in the commentary but it's really funny when the mods come from there to here (because the game's forums are down LOL) and tell us how wrong we were.

     

    It's really entertaining. I'm just sitting idly by and watching, while you are out here flaming all of us and obviously not playing. Either that or you're macroing. Way to go for game depth.

  • coder1024coder1024 Member Posts: 56

    patching is a good thing. and 400MB is pretty small. I suppose it would be better if they didn't patch.... ?

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156

    signus go poof

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  • coder1024coder1024 Member Posts: 56


    HerculesSAS wrote
    I'm just sitting idly by and watching
    why?
  • SignusMSignusM Member Posts: 2,225
    Originally posted by HerculesSAS


    Oddly enough Signus, you're the one who mods the DF channel in IRC and you're on here gloating before the launch, trolling worse than the trolls who are against AV, and more.
     
    Yes, I was banned from the launch of the game.. I even messaged you about it and you looked into it for me. I guess you forget. You told me if trolls like Lethe and Napalm could continue on the forums, there was no reason that I should have been banned.
     

    Yes, I looked into it for you, as I do for most of the people that complain about similar unjust bannings. Almost without fail, every time I talk to Brannoc or someone about why someone was banned, and mysteriously, I am informed of several events that the complainer decided to leave out. 

    One guy was ranting about how he was going to develop hacks for the game and bring it to his knees for the way he was treated. He ranted for an hour to me about how unjust it was he got banned. I looked into it for him, he got banned for developing a fake Darkfall.exe that contained malware. Lots of stupid people. 

    If Brannoc banned you, and hasn't UNBANNED you (he usually resets all the bans when moving into a next phase of beta or release) then you probably did something stupid. 

     

    And for the moron who keeps trying to tell me I'm a forum moderator, I am not. I guess you finally understand how stupid you sounded. 

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156

    You are a community staff person....so what does that entail...please enlighten me.

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  • HerculesSASHerculesSAS Member Posts: 1,272
    Originally posted by SignusM

    Yes, I looked into it for you, as I do for most of the people that complain about similar unjust bannings. Almost without fail, every time I talk to Brannoc or someone about why someone was banned, and mysteriously, I am informed of several events that the complainer decided to leave out. 



    One guy was ranting about how he was going to develop hacks for the game and bring it to his knees for the way he was treated. He ranted for an hour to me about how unjust it was he got banned. I looked into it for him, he got banned for developing a fake Darkfall.exe that contained malware. Lots of stupid people.
    If Brannoc banned you, and hasn't UNBANNED you (he usually resets all the bans when moving into a next phase of beta or release) then you probably did something stupid.

    And for the moron who keeps trying to tell me I'm a forum moderator, I am not. I guess you finally understand how stupid you sounded.


     

    So wait, if Brannoc banned me because I didn't like the game and was saying it was poorly done and hasn't unbanned me, THEN I did something stupid? I cannot follow the logic.

    Your logic assumes that I believe Brannoc is an honest guy and doesn't mind constructive criticism. My logic assumes that Brannoc is hiding the 'constructive' criticism. My proof is in the pudding dude, he deleted ALL MY POSTS. Why would you do that if I was doing something stupid? A lock sure, a warning, understandable. Insta-ban with IP ban from the forums? Seems to be a tad touchy, or else he just didn't want me posting on the forums at all about what beta was like.

    Like I said, I'm sure you like the game. It's why you come here to defend it. I'm not representing the company in any way, or the way it works so it's really irrelevant about what I think or post. But you have an "@" in the IRC channel, and a blue name in the forums, so when you post something it usually lends itself to a representation of Aventurine. And all it shows me right now is that you like to troll forums who think the game sucks. Everybody's allowed to have an opinion. Except in beta, where you're only allowed to have a POSITIVE opinion.

    Enjoy the game. And enjoy your trolling here too. I'll just watch from a distance and if they fix up the NA release to be of any PvP value (that requires skill), I might pick it up then. I highly doubt it though.

  • ScarrenScarren Member Posts: 87
    Originally posted by HerculesSAS


    I've done software development before, and I manage software development now for some projects... I've never seen such a drastic change the day of a release. Interesting stuff.
    But I suppose it's par for the course... in beta they were actually *adding features*, like hotkeys and such, so in reality they have no idea what a software development life cycle really means, do they?
    I'll just wait for the fanboys to flame me and say they are "professional" programmers. Anybody who is in IT or software development would laugh at adding features in a beta software. Beta is almost by definition "feature complete", and it is usually multi staged first for feature testing, compatibility testing, and finally -- stress testing. I don't think we've seen any of those stages either.
    Ah well. I'm entertertained :)

     

    Have you done patching much before ? , ok sometimes a patch on a big project in the gigabyte range , even tough it might just be a line here and there , its possible to create megabytes and megabytes after compile ( depending on the modularity of the project ) in diffs.

    I am not saying is the issue here , it might even be 400mb of untested stuff pushed out , happened in aoc and it might be the same here , but without optimizing patches on a gigabyte project , patches is gonna be big no matter what.

    and tbh i am probably one of those trolls , i have for #1 never ever had the intention of playing the game the first months atleast if ever , im here for the popcorn. but stating patch sizes and think that they mean anything is just lol..tbh your developer experience might even be questioned.

     

     

     

  • SignusMSignusM Member Posts: 2,225
    Originally posted by HerculesSAS

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Yes, I looked into it for you, as I do for most of the people that complain about similar unjust bannings. Almost without fail, every time I talk to Brannoc or someone about why someone was banned, and mysteriously, I am informed of several events that the complainer decided to leave out. 



    One guy was ranting about how he was going to develop hacks for the game and bring it to his knees for the way he was treated. He ranted for an hour to me about how unjust it was he got banned. I looked into it for him, he got banned for developing a fake Darkfall.exe that contained malware. Lots of stupid people.
    If Brannoc banned you, and hasn't UNBANNED you (he usually resets all the bans when moving into a next phase of beta or release) then you probably did something stupid.

    And for the moron who keeps trying to tell me I'm a forum moderator, I am not. I guess you finally understand how stupid you sounded.


     

    So wait, if Brannoc banned me because I didn't like the game and was saying it was poorly done and hasn't unbanned me, THEN I did something stupid? I cannot follow the logic.

    Your logic assumes that I believe Brannoc is an honest guy and doesn't mind constructive criticism. My logic assumes that Brannoc is hiding the 'constructive' criticism. My proof is in the pudding dude, he deleted ALL MY POSTS. Why would you do that if I was doing something stupid? A lock sure, a warning, understandable. Insta-ban with IP ban from the forums? Seems to be a tad touchy, or else he just didn't want me posting on the forums at all about what beta was like.

    Like I said, I'm sure you like the game. It's why you come here to defend it. I'm not representing the company in any way, or the way it works so it's really irrelevant about what I think or post. But you have an "@" in the IRC channel, and a blue name in the forums, so when you post something it usually lends itself to a representation of Aventurine. And all it shows me right now is that you like to troll forums who think the game sucks. Everybody's allowed to have an opinion. Except in beta, where you're only allowed to have a POSITIVE opinion.

    Enjoy the game. And enjoy your trolling here too. I'll just watch from a distance and if they fix up the NA release to be of any PvP value (that requires skill), I might pick it up then. I highly doubt it though.

    Like I said to you earlier, if Lethn and others are still running around trolling that badly, and didn't get banned, then I'm SURE that there was either an error, or you did something really dumb. Considering Brannoc said he talked to you afterwards, I'm going to assume you did something stupid. Yes, assume, because I don't have any real information from you or Brannoc. There were far worse trolls in the beta than you that didn't get banned, and I didn't understand it, which leads me to believe I missed something. 

  • huxflux2004huxflux2004 Member Posts: 730

    SignusM, are you paid by Aventurine?

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156
    Originally posted by SignusM

    Originally posted by HerculesSAS

    Originally posted by SignusM

    Yes, I looked into it for you, as I do for most of the people that complain about similar unjust bannings. Almost without fail, every time I talk to Brannoc or someone about why someone was banned, and mysteriously, I am informed of several events that the complainer decided to leave out. 



    One guy was ranting about how he was going to develop hacks for the game and bring it to his knees for the way he was treated. He ranted for an hour to me about how unjust it was he got banned. I looked into it for him, he got banned for developing a fake Darkfall.exe that contained malware. Lots of stupid people.
    If Brannoc banned you, and hasn't UNBANNED you (he usually resets all the bans when moving into a next phase of beta or release) then you probably did something stupid.

    And for the moron who keeps trying to tell me I'm a forum moderator, I am not. I guess you finally understand how stupid you sounded.


     

    So wait, if Brannoc banned me because I didn't like the game and was saying it was poorly done and hasn't unbanned me, THEN I did something stupid? I cannot follow the logic.

    Your logic assumes that I believe Brannoc is an honest guy and doesn't mind constructive criticism. My logic assumes that Brannoc is hiding the 'constructive' criticism. My proof is in the pudding dude, he deleted ALL MY POSTS. Why would you do that if I was doing something stupid? A lock sure, a warning, understandable. Insta-ban with IP ban from the forums? Seems to be a tad touchy, or else he just didn't want me posting on the forums at all about what beta was like.

    Like I said, I'm sure you like the game. It's why you come here to defend it. I'm not representing the company in any way, or the way it works so it's really irrelevant about what I think or post. But you have an "@" in the IRC channel, and a blue name in the forums, so when you post something it usually lends itself to a representation of Aventurine. And all it shows me right now is that you like to troll forums who think the game sucks. Everybody's allowed to have an opinion. Except in beta, where you're only allowed to have a POSITIVE opinion.

    Enjoy the game. And enjoy your trolling here too. I'll just watch from a distance and if they fix up the NA release to be of any PvP value (that requires skill), I might pick it up then. I highly doubt it though.

    Like I said to you earlier, if Lethn and others are still running around trolling that badly, and didn't get banned, then I'm SURE that there was either an error, or you did something really dumb. Considering Brannoc said he talked to you afterwards, I'm going to assume you did something stupid. Yes, assume, because I don't have any real information from you or Brannoc. There were far worse trolls in the beta than you that didn't get banned, and I didn't understand it, which leads me to believe I missed something. 

    and this....good forum posters...is how you tip toe around a topic

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