Darkfalls first days might have been the worst I have ever seen in MMO launch, but now its working really smoothly, so I got nothing to complain. Only a few client crashes which didn't even exist in beta.
This is a non debatable fact. This game IS a scam / rip off. Why? Because they launched it FULLY KNOWING what state it was in. Fully knowing how untested and buggy it was. They accepted a limited amount of orders for no other reason than to raise money for development. Darkfall Online is a SCAM.
Do you consider AOC, WAR, Vanguard (and more) all scams? If not, realize that those games weren't in any better shape than Darkfall is now upon "release" (and surprisingly, I find I enjoy my time in Darkfall a hell of alot more than any of those other games).
Aventurine is actually taking a more intelligent approach by limiting the amount of players who have access to it during its early release. For a number reasons
(1) to work out kinks before it goes mainstream
(2) to determine demand (thereby determining how many servers are necessary, instead of buying 30 servers which some may never be used)
(3) to get a limited amount of feedback on the actual gameplay, versus having to dig through millions of bug reports, suggestions, questions, and complaints.
The Darkfall dev team, from what I understand, is a fairly small group. As the time goes by, I expect to see them increase staff and the number of servers.
Also, consider the fact that it takes more than a group of programmers to run a MMORPG. You need employees (who require to be paid) to maintain the server(s). You need PR, CSR, techies, project managers, system analysts, and the list goes on. Right now, again from what I understand, Aventurine is simply a small group of programmers (a couple dozen). Considering what they've accomplished - and considering I write software - I'm actually impressed by what the small team has accomplished.
Maybe by definition, the game is a "scam." If that's the case, provide proof that any game that has been released with bugs, missing features, and minimal testing was not a scam by your definition?
The only reason I care is because I've been playing Darkfall whenever the servers are up. Last night, for about 8 hours straight, I ran around and explored the world with two clan-mates. Those 8 hours were the best time I've ever had in an MMO. When 4AM rolled around, I was grudging turning my computer off and going to bed because I didn't want the fun to end. No game has hooked me like this since my first MMO years ago.
Say what you will. You are entitled to your opinions, same as all of the people who are playing Darkfall (or who want to play Darkfall) are entitled to theirs. But don't try to stop other people from having fun because you're not...
Ill put it easy for you. You go to those websites and you dont see all the crap i posted.
Infact Vanguard when it did come out it was a major scam. it was nothing that was promised.
Thats where the term mcquaided came from. all the dumb fans who belived in him blindly defended the game and were given crap. Soe picked it up and now its a decent game.
Tasos did the same crap Brain Mcquaid did. Hype the game to the skies.
Just look at the feature section and faq section of the official website.
Listen, im not saying that the game is bad. people are having fun with it. But the point of the thread is that AV is scamming people , They never took down the features they could not deliver. They need to update. As it is now newcommers will see all the shit they have on their website and will detest the game when they see it is completely different.
The good thing is AV did a good portion of their promises and those do make a solid game, however they refuse to update their webpage of all the things that didnt make it that can hype newcommers for features that do not exsist.
Read my post and youll understand why I claim darkfall is a scam. They are doing the same as those as seen on tv commercials. Shamwow comes to mind.
This is a non debatable fact. This game IS a scam / rip off. Why? Because they launched it FULLY KNOWING what state it was in. Fully knowing how untested and buggy it was. They accepted a limited amount of orders for no other reason than to raise money for development. Darkfall Online is a SCAM.
Do you consider AOC, WAR, Vanguard (and more) all scams? If not, realize that those games weren't in any better shape than Darkfall is now upon "release" (and surprisingly, I find I enjoy my time in Darkfall a hell of alot more than any of those other games).
Aventurine is actually taking a more intelligent approach by limiting the amount of players who have access to it during its early release. For a number reasons
(1) to work out kinks before it goes mainstream
(2) to determine demand (thereby determining how many servers are necessary, instead of buying 30 servers which some may never be used)
(3) to get a limited amount of feedback on the actual gameplay, versus having to dig through millions of bug reports, suggestions, questions, and complaints.
The Darkfall dev team, from what I understand, is a fairly small group. As the time goes by, I expect to see them increase staff and the number of servers.
Also, consider the fact that it takes more than a group of programmers to run a MMORPG. You need employees (who require to be paid) to maintain the server(s). You need PR, CSR, techies, project managers, system analysts, and the list goes on. Right now, again from what I understand, Aventurine is simply a small group of programmers (a couple dozen). Considering what they've accomplished - and considering I write software - I'm actually impressed by what the small team has accomplished.
Maybe by definition, the game is a "scam." If that's the case, provide proof that any game that has been released with bugs, missing features, and minimal testing was not a scam by your definition?
The only reason I care is because I've been playing Darkfall whenever the servers are up. Last night, for about 8 hours straight, I ran around and explored the world with two clan-mates. Those 8 hours were the best time I've ever had in an MMO. When 4AM rolled around, I was grudging turning my computer off and going to bed because I didn't want the fun to end. No game has hooked me like this since my first MMO years ago.
Say what you will. You are entitled to your opinions, same as all of the people who are playing Darkfall (or who want to play Darkfall) are entitled to theirs. But don't try to stop other people from having fun because you're not...
Ill put it easy for you. You go to those websites and you dont see all the crap i posted.
Infact Vanguard when it did come out it was a major scam. it was nothing that was promised.
Thats where the term mcquaided came from. all the dumb fans who belived in him blindly defended the game and were given crap. Soe picked it up and now its a decent game.
Tasos did the same crap Brain Mcquaid did. Hype the game to the skies.
Just look at the feature section and faq section of the official website.
Listen, im not saying that the game is bad. people are having fun with it. But the point of the thread is that AV is scamming people , They never took down the features they could not deliver. They need to update. As it is now newcommers will see all the shit they have on their website and will detest the game when they see it is completely different.
The good thing is AV did a good portion of their promises and those do make a solid game, however they refuse to update their webpage of all the things that didnt make it that can hype newcommers for features that do not exsist.
Read my post and youll understand why I claim darkfall is a scam. They are doing the same as those as seen on tv commercials. Shamwow comes to mind.
I went back and found the post you are referring to. Please, reread my post, with an open mind. You seem to be clouded by some animosity towards this game/developer.
Bearing in mind many of the valid points you brought up, please remember the magnitude of what Aventurine is trying to accomplish with such a small crew.
Tell me this, are consumers currently able to go to the Darkfall website, mindlessly wander to a Purchase button, and buy the game? No, because it's currently not for sale. Yup, sounds like a scam to me!
Anyone who managed to get the pre-order (including me) had to dig deep and try for hours or days to get that game. Your average consumer would not have found this link just by visiting their main page. Hardcore fans and trolls alike would have found the link to purchasing the game because they frequently visit the forums and read up on the game.
So, considering there is no "Purchase Now!" button on the main web site, one would have to be added, correct? And what happens when they add that "Purchase Now!" button? Most definitely a content update.
So we have a small group of programmers who is working diligently to produce the best content in their game, while ignoring the content on their web site until it has to be updated. Wow, what a concept. Programmers programming... yup, I'm convinced, it's a scam.
The benefit of having a large company backed by other large companies is the access to finances. Turbine, Funcom, Mythic, Blizzard have all had their hands in the business for years. They've probably got scores of staff members designing top-notch web sites and advertisements. What does Aventurine have? A group of programmers designing a top-notch MMORPG. Don't you think if they had a lot of resources and money, they would have gotten someone better for their PR (instead of using one of their developers....)? I think so.
Aventurine has a significant disadvantage, and has still managed to produce a better game than many of the large developers out there.
"Good people are good because they've come to wisdom through failure. We get very little wisdom from success, you know." William Saroyan
This is a non debatable fact. This game IS a scam / rip off. Why? Because they launched it FULLY KNOWING what state it was in. Fully knowing how untested and buggy it was. They accepted a limited amount of orders for no other reason than to raise money for development. Darkfall Online is a SCAM.
Do you consider AOC, WAR, Vanguard (and more) all scams? If not, realize that those games weren't in any better shape than Darkfall is now upon "release" (and surprisingly, I find I enjoy my time in Darkfall a hell of alot more than any of those other games).
Aventurine is actually taking a more intelligent approach by limiting the amount of players who have access to it during its early release. For a number reasons
(1) to work out kinks before it goes mainstream
(2) to determine demand (thereby determining how many servers are necessary, instead of buying 30 servers which some may never be used)
(3) to get a limited amount of feedback on the actual gameplay, versus having to dig through millions of bug reports, suggestions, questions, and complaints.
The Darkfall dev team, from what I understand, is a fairly small group. As the time goes by, I expect to see them increase staff and the number of servers.
Also, consider the fact that it takes more than a group of programmers to run a MMORPG. You need employees (who require to be paid) to maintain the server(s). You need PR, CSR, techies, project managers, system analysts, and the list goes on. Right now, again from what I understand, Aventurine is simply a small group of programmers (a couple dozen). Considering what they've accomplished - and considering I write software - I'm actually impressed by what the small team has accomplished.
Maybe by definition, the game is a "scam." If that's the case, provide proof that any game that has been released with bugs, missing features, and minimal testing was not a scam by your definition?
The only reason I care is because I've been playing Darkfall whenever the servers are up. Last night, for about 8 hours straight, I ran around and explored the world with two clan-mates. Those 8 hours were the best time I've ever had in an MMO. When 4AM rolled around, I was grudging turning my computer off and going to bed because I didn't want the fun to end. No game has hooked me like this since my first MMO years ago.
Say what you will. You are entitled to your opinions, same as all of the people who are playing Darkfall (or who want to play Darkfall) are entitled to theirs. But don't try to stop other people from having fun because you're not...
Ill put it easy for you. You go to those websites and you dont see all the crap i posted.
Infact Vanguard when it did come out it was a major scam. it was nothing that was promised.
Thats where the term mcquaided came from. all the dumb fans who belived in him blindly defended the game and were given crap. Soe picked it up and now its a decent game.
Tasos did the same crap Brain Mcquaid did. Hype the game to the skies.
Just look at the feature section and faq section of the official website.
Listen, im not saying that the game is bad. people are having fun with it. But the point of the thread is that AV is scamming people , They never took down the features they could not deliver. They need to update. As it is now newcommers will see all the shit they have on their website and will detest the game when they see it is completely different.
The good thing is AV did a good portion of their promises and those do make a solid game, however they refuse to update their webpage of all the things that didnt make it that can hype newcommers for features that do not exsist.
Read my post and youll understand why I claim darkfall is a scam. They are doing the same as those as seen on tv commercials. Shamwow comes to mind.
I went back and found the post you are referring to. Please, reread my post, with an open mind. You seem to be clouded by some animosity towards this game/developer.
Bearing in mind many of the valid points you brought up, please remember the magnitude of what Aventurine is trying to accomplish with such a small crew.
Tell me this, are consumers currently able to go to the Darkfall website, mindlessly wander to a Purchase button, and buy the game? No, because it's currently not for sale. Yup, sounds like a scam to me!
Anyone who managed to get the pre-order (including me) had to dig deep and try for hours or days to get that game. Your average consumer would not have found this link just by visiting their main page. Hardcore fans and trolls alike would have found the link to purchasing the game because they frequently visit the forums and read up on the game.
So, considering there is no "Purchase Now!" button on the main web site, one would have to be added, correct? And what happens when they add that "Purchase Now!" button? Most definitely a content update.
So we have a small group of programmers who is working diligently to produce the best content in their game, while ignoring the content on their web site until it has to be updated. Wow, what a concept. Programmers programming... yup, I'm convinced, it's a scam.
The benefit of having a large company backed by other large companies is the access to finances. Turbine, Funcom, Mythic, Blizzard have all had their hands in the business for years. They've probably got scores of staff members designing top-notch web sites and advertisements. What does Aventurine have? A group of programmers designing a top-notch MMORPG. Don't you think if they had a lot of resources and money, they would have gotten someone better for their PR (instead of using one of their developers....)? I think so.
Aventurine has a significant disadvantage, and has still managed to produce a better game than many of the large developers out there.
the last part is your own opinion.
There is a thing call publicity. If you would want AV to thrive they need to have credability regardless how small a company they are. Reaserch what a indie company is, ill put it simple for you. its a company capable of deveploing, marketing and producing their own product. It has nothing to do if they are new or not.
They Managed to take off the beta sign up. Seriously how hard is it to change the feature part and scratch off what didnt make it to have more cedability. you know even a amature web designer wont take less than 30 min to retrsucture the feature page and their faq.
Not doing so is not showing signs of being a good company. Its pretty easy to make a website with little html knowhow and some .net . there is No excuse regardless the size of the company to have a poor presentation of your product.
There is also a trend. you see mmorpgs that flopped had the same occurence. They needed someone to present the game. the game was hidden to almost the end . all the big successful games had the game speak for itself. Tasos did the same as Mcquaid , British and a few others.
Now i will like to add this and i do not mean to offend you but you are gullable to fall for the fascade companies present to you. You may love the concepts of the game but by all means that doesnt mean that the company does this in good faith ect.
They do it for money and if they want money they need to create somthing that will attract alot of customers. its that simple. They will fascade that fact by claiming how they worked their soul ect into the game. Big companies will recruit proffesional writers ect. but its all for the same thing Money.
AV's Intention is clearly to compete for a piece of the mmo pie. They already have showed to make bad desisions. the ammount they are currently making is not enough to keep 20+ people afloat. By keeping those lies on their website they will suffer greatly when they do manage to get another server up ect.
Like i said they are advertizing more than what the game is. just the same as the shamwow commercial.
Darkfall is not a scam. Its just run very badly. Get a clue.
So you're saying releasing software that you know to be totally untested and buggy because you need money to keep existing is NOT a scam?
Is that what you're trying to say?
"totally untested"? Would you like to provide us with your evidence? And by evidence I want facts, not conclusions. From what I have read there have been a decent amount of beta TESTERS and therefore your suggestion that the game is "totally untested" brings clear misjudgement on your post. As far as "buggy", I am sure it has bugs. What game at launch doesn't? Perhaps your argument is that the games' bugs are more destructive to the overall game in comparision to other games, but you didn't say that and I highly doubt that is the case.
Darkfall is not a scam. Its just run very badly. Get a clue.
So you're saying releasing software that you know to be totally untested and buggy because you need money to keep existing is NOT a scam?
Is that what you're trying to say?
"totally untested"? Would you like to provide us with your evidence? And by evidence I want facts, not conclusions. From what I have read there have been a decent amount of beta TESTERS and therefore your suggestion that the game is "totally untested" brings clear misjudgement on your post. As far as "buggy", I am sure it has bugs. What game at launch doesn't? Perhaps your argument is that the games' bugs are more destructive to the overall game in comparision to other games, but you didn't say that and I highly doubt that is the case.
all your answers are on the feature section on the official website. go check it out.
This is a non debatable fact. This game IS a scam / rip off. Why? Because they launched it FULLY KNOWING what state it was in. Fully knowing how untested and buggy it was. They accepted a limited amount of orders for no other reason than to raise money for development. Darkfall Online is a SCAM.
Do you consider AOC, WAR, Vanguard (and more) all scams? If not, realize that those games weren't in any better shape than Darkfall is now upon "release" (and surprisingly, I find I enjoy my time in Darkfall a hell of alot more than any of those other games).
Aventurine is actually taking a more intelligent approach by limiting the amount of players who have access to it during its early release. For a number reasons
(1) to work out kinks before it goes mainstream
(2) to determine demand (thereby determining how many servers are necessary, instead of buying 30 servers which some may never be used)
(3) to get a limited amount of feedback on the actual gameplay, versus having to dig through millions of bug reports, suggestions, questions, and complaints.
The Darkfall dev team, from what I understand, is a fairly small group. As the time goes by, I expect to see them increase staff and the number of servers.
Also, consider the fact that it takes more than a group of programmers to run a MMORPG. You need employees (who require to be paid) to maintain the server(s). You need PR, CSR, techies, project managers, system analysts, and the list goes on. Right now, again from what I understand, Aventurine is simply a small group of programmers (a couple dozen). Considering what they've accomplished - and considering I write software - I'm actually impressed by what the small team has accomplished.
Maybe by definition, the game is a "scam." If that's the case, provide proof that any game that has been released with bugs, missing features, and minimal testing was not a scam by your definition?
The only reason I care is because I've been playing Darkfall whenever the servers are up. Last night, for about 8 hours straight, I ran around and explored the world with two clan-mates. Those 8 hours were the best time I've ever had in an MMO. When 4AM rolled around, I was grudging turning my computer off and going to bed because I didn't want the fun to end. No game has hooked me like this since my first MMO years ago.
Say what you will. You are entitled to your opinions, same as all of the people who are playing Darkfall (or who want to play Darkfall) are entitled to theirs. But don't try to stop other people from having fun because you're not...
Ill put it easy for you. You go to those websites and you dont see all the crap i posted.
Infact Vanguard when it did come out it was a major scam. it was nothing that was promised.
Thats where the term mcquaided came from. all the dumb fans who belived in him blindly defended the game and were given crap. Soe picked it up and now its a decent game.
Tasos did the same crap Brain Mcquaid did. Hype the game to the skies.
Just look at the feature section and faq section of the official website.
Listen, im not saying that the game is bad. people are having fun with it. But the point of the thread is that AV is scamming people , They never took down the features they could not deliver. They need to update. As it is now newcommers will see all the shit they have on their website and will detest the game when they see it is completely different.
The good thing is AV did a good portion of their promises and those do make a solid game, however they refuse to update their webpage of all the things that didnt make it that can hype newcommers for features that do not exsist.
Read my post and youll understand why I claim darkfall is a scam. They are doing the same as those as seen on tv commercials. Shamwow comes to mind.
I went back and found the post you are referring to. Please, reread my post, with an open mind. You seem to be clouded by some animosity towards this game/developer.
Bearing in mind many of the valid points you brought up, please remember the magnitude of what Aventurine is trying to accomplish with such a small crew.
Tell me this, are consumers currently able to go to the Darkfall website, mindlessly wander to a Purchase button, and buy the game? No, because it's currently not for sale. Yup, sounds like a scam to me!
Anyone who managed to get the pre-order (including me) had to dig deep and try for hours or days to get that game. Your average consumer would not have found this link just by visiting their main page. Hardcore fans and trolls alike would have found the link to purchasing the game because they frequently visit the forums and read up on the game.
So, considering there is no "Purchase Now!" button on the main web site, one would have to be added, correct? And what happens when they add that "Purchase Now!" button? Most definitely a content update.
So we have a small group of programmers who is working diligently to produce the best content in their game, while ignoring the content on their web site until it has to be updated. Wow, what a concept. Programmers programming... yup, I'm convinced, it's a scam.
The benefit of having a large company backed by other large companies is the access to finances. Turbine, Funcom, Mythic, Blizzard have all had their hands in the business for years. They've probably got scores of staff members designing top-notch web sites and advertisements. What does Aventurine have? A group of programmers designing a top-notch MMORPG. Don't you think if they had a lot of resources and money, they would have gotten someone better for their PR (instead of using one of their developers....)? I think so.
Aventurine has a significant disadvantage, and has still managed to produce a better game than many of the large developers out there.
the last part is your own opinion.
There is a thing call publicity. If you would want AV to thrive they need to have credability regardless how small a company they are. Reaserch what a indie company is, ill put it simple for you. its a company capable of deveploing, marketing and producing their own product. It has nothing to do if they are new or not.
They Managed to take off the beta sign up. Seriously how hard is it to change the feature part and scratch off what didnt make it to have more cedability. you know even a amature web designer wont take less than 30 min to retrsucture the feature page and their faq.
Not doing so is not showing signs of being a good company. Its pretty easy to make a website with little html knowhow and some .net . there is No excuse regardless the size of the company to have a poor presentation of your product.
There is also a trend. you see mmorpgs that flopped had the same occurence. They needed someone to present the game. the game was hidden to almost the end . all the big successful games had the game speak for itself. Tasos did the same as Mcquaid , British and a few others.
Now i will like to add this and i do not mean to offend you but you are gullable to fall for the fascade companies present to you. You may love the concepts of the game but by all means that doesnt mean that the company does this in good faith ect.
They do it for money and if they want money they need to create somthing that will attract alot of customers. its that simple. They will fascade that fact by claiming how they worked their soul ect into the game. Big companies will recruit proffesional writers ect. but its all for the same thing Money.
AV's Intention is clearly to compete for a piece of the mmo pie. They already have showed to make bad desisions. the ammount they are currently making is not enough to keep 20+ people afloat. By keeping those lies on their website they will suffer greatly when they do manage to get another server up ect.
Like i said they are advertizing more than what the game is. just the same as the shamwow commercial.
You are basing your predictions off of speculation. Speculation, however fun, is not a solid means of predicting the future (there is no solid means for predicting the future, aside from data mining, which isn't really predicting the future). In truth, we don't know what the future holds for this company.
I know what I've experienced, and I experienced a fun game. If I play a fun game, I am likely to continue playing it, that is what will keep customers. I was not absorbed by the company's lies, and I recognize that their publicity has been anything but perfect. On the publicity end, they have failed miserably.
What they have not failed at (and which is what is most important) is developing a fun, functional, and enjoyable video game (I will point out here that this is my opinion, so you don't get your panties in a bunch again).
Is it released to the masses yet? No. Will it be released to the masses? Who knows. Perhaps something traumatic will happen and they'll have to shut down the whole gig. Or, perhaps something great will happen and they'll have a flourishing product. I really would prefer to see the product succeed. But only time will tell. Assumptions and predictions will not.
"Good people are good because they've come to wisdom through failure. We get very little wisdom from success, you know." William Saroyan
This is a non debatable fact. This game IS a scam / rip off. Why? Because they launched it FULLY KNOWING what state it was in. Fully knowing how untested and buggy it was. They accepted a limited amount of orders for no other reason than to raise money for development. Darkfall Online is a SCAM.
Do you consider AOC, WAR, Vanguard (and more) all scams? If not, realize that those games weren't in any better shape than Darkfall is now upon "release" (and surprisingly, I find I enjoy my time in Darkfall a hell of alot more than any of those other games).
Aventurine is actually taking a more intelligent approach by limiting the amount of players who have access to it during its early release. For a number reasons
(1) to work out kinks before it goes mainstream
(2) to determine demand (thereby determining how many servers are necessary, instead of buying 30 servers which some may never be used)
(3) to get a limited amount of feedback on the actual gameplay, versus having to dig through millions of bug reports, suggestions, questions, and complaints.
The Darkfall dev team, from what I understand, is a fairly small group. As the time goes by, I expect to see them increase staff and the number of servers.
Also, consider the fact that it takes more than a group of programmers to run a MMORPG. You need employees (who require to be paid) to maintain the server(s). You need PR, CSR, techies, project managers, system analysts, and the list goes on. Right now, again from what I understand, Aventurine is simply a small group of programmers (a couple dozen). Considering what they've accomplished - and considering I write software - I'm actually impressed by what the small team has accomplished.
Maybe by definition, the game is a "scam." If that's the case, provide proof that any game that has been released with bugs, missing features, and minimal testing was not a scam by your definition?
The only reason I care is because I've been playing Darkfall whenever the servers are up. Last night, for about 8 hours straight, I ran around and explored the world with two clan-mates. Those 8 hours were the best time I've ever had in an MMO. When 4AM rolled around, I was grudging turning my computer off and going to bed because I didn't want the fun to end. No game has hooked me like this since my first MMO years ago.
Say what you will. You are entitled to your opinions, same as all of the people who are playing Darkfall (or who want to play Darkfall) are entitled to theirs. But don't try to stop other people from having fun because you're not...
Ill put it easy for you. You go to those websites and you dont see all the crap i posted.
Infact Vanguard when it did come out it was a major scam. it was nothing that was promised.
Thats where the term mcquaided came from. all the dumb fans who belived in him blindly defended the game and were given crap. Soe picked it up and now its a decent game.
Tasos did the same crap Brain Mcquaid did. Hype the game to the skies.
Just look at the feature section and faq section of the official website.
Listen, im not saying that the game is bad. people are having fun with it. But the point of the thread is that AV is scamming people , They never took down the features they could not deliver. They need to update. As it is now newcommers will see all the shit they have on their website and will detest the game when they see it is completely different.
The good thing is AV did a good portion of their promises and those do make a solid game, however they refuse to update their webpage of all the things that didnt make it that can hype newcommers for features that do not exsist.
Read my post and youll understand why I claim darkfall is a scam. They are doing the same as those as seen on tv commercials. Shamwow comes to mind.
I went back and found the post you are referring to. Please, reread my post, with an open mind. You seem to be clouded by some animosity towards this game/developer.
Bearing in mind many of the valid points you brought up, please remember the magnitude of what Aventurine is trying to accomplish with such a small crew.
Tell me this, are consumers currently able to go to the Darkfall website, mindlessly wander to a Purchase button, and buy the game? No, because it's currently not for sale. Yup, sounds like a scam to me!
Anyone who managed to get the pre-order (including me) had to dig deep and try for hours or days to get that game. Your average consumer would not have found this link just by visiting their main page. Hardcore fans and trolls alike would have found the link to purchasing the game because they frequently visit the forums and read up on the game.
So, considering there is no "Purchase Now!" button on the main web site, one would have to be added, correct? And what happens when they add that "Purchase Now!" button? Most definitely a content update.
So we have a small group of programmers who is working diligently to produce the best content in their game, while ignoring the content on their web site until it has to be updated. Wow, what a concept. Programmers programming... yup, I'm convinced, it's a scam.
The benefit of having a large company backed by other large companies is the access to finances. Turbine, Funcom, Mythic, Blizzard have all had their hands in the business for years. They've probably got scores of staff members designing top-notch web sites and advertisements. What does Aventurine have? A group of programmers designing a top-notch MMORPG. Don't you think if they had a lot of resources and money, they would have gotten someone better for their PR (instead of using one of their developers....)? I think so.
Aventurine has a significant disadvantage, and has still managed to produce a better game than many of the large developers out there.
the last part is your own opinion.
There is a thing call publicity. If you would want AV to thrive they need to have credability regardless how small a company they are. Reaserch what a indie company is, ill put it simple for you. its a company capable of deveploing, marketing and producing their own product. It has nothing to do if they are new or not.
They Managed to take off the beta sign up. Seriously how hard is it to change the feature part and scratch off what didnt make it to have more cedability. you know even a amature web designer wont take less than 30 min to retrsucture the feature page and their faq.
Not doing so is not showing signs of being a good company. Its pretty easy to make a website with little html knowhow and some .net . there is No excuse regardless the size of the company to have a poor presentation of your product.
There is also a trend. you see mmorpgs that flopped had the same occurence. They needed someone to present the game. the game was hidden to almost the end . all the big successful games had the game speak for itself. Tasos did the same as Mcquaid , British and a few others.
Now i will like to add this and i do not mean to offend you but you are gullable to fall for the fascade companies present to you. You may love the concepts of the game but by all means that doesnt mean that the company does this in good faith ect.
They do it for money and if they want money they need to create somthing that will attract alot of customers. its that simple. They will fascade that fact by claiming how they worked their soul ect into the game. Big companies will recruit proffesional writers ect. but its all for the same thing Money.
AV's Intention is clearly to compete for a piece of the mmo pie. They already have showed to make bad desisions. the ammount they are currently making is not enough to keep 20+ people afloat. By keeping those lies on their website they will suffer greatly when they do manage to get another server up ect.
Like i said they are advertizing more than what the game is. just the same as the shamwow commercial.
You are basing your predictions off of speculation. Speculation, however fun, is not a solid means of predicting the future (there is no solid means for predicting the future, aside from data mining, which isn't really predicting the future). In truth, we don't know what the future holds for this company.
I know what I've experienced, and I experienced a fun game. If I play a fun game, I am likely to continue playing it, that is what will keep customers. I was not absorbed by the company's lies, and I recognize that their publicity has been anything but perfect. On the publicity end, they have failed miserably.
What they have not failed at (and which is what is most important) is developing a fun, functional, and enjoyable video game (I will point out here that this is my opinion, so you don't get your panties in a bunch again).
Is it released to the masses yet? No. Will it be released to the masses? Who knows. Perhaps something traumatic will happen and they'll have to shut down the whole gig. Or, perhaps something great will happen and they'll have a flourishing product. I really would prefer to see the product succeed. But only time will tell. Assumptions and predictions will not.
Game is crap there is proof all over the web. NDA has lifted, you are trying to fight a losing battle dude.
Mythic tell us about 6 capital cities, and some other classes, that now they are delivering (the classes, capital cities still are fog). They said the game allow hundread of players in real battle... Maybe they have forgotten to tell that works at 5 FPS? WOW!! Warhammer is SCAM!!!!
I have played AoC from the start, i remember a lot of features that are explained in the manual packed with the game.... THE MANUAL IN THE BOX!!!! Like blood coins, brawl in the tavern, mobs attacking guild cities...
I don't remember very well.. But It seems that no one of these features where in the game, not now....
WOW! AoC is SCAM!
And we don't need speak about World of Warcraft beta, yeah? Or Vanguard?? So We have a lot of SCAM here!
Guys now i know the truth!!! All the mmorpgs are SCUM! Thanks for the advice!
I save CCP, because they are the only one to take care of the players....
Game is crap there is proof all over the web. NDA has lifted, you are trying to fight a losing battle dude.
People say the same thing about WAR VG and AoC. Are those games shut down? No. So keep you predictions to yourself. And FYI I dont play DF yet, I want to but like many I can't.
guess what kiddies, time to play DF again ,,have fun with your threads maybe if you hijack enough you can make yourselves a noose.And I can say go ahead and be selfish a bit , use it on yourselves. srry ive had enough of you as well.I'll be back but not for a while,,maybe next maintenance period.
guess what kiddies, time to play DF again ,,have fun with your threads maybe if you hijack enough you can make yourselves a noose.And I can say go ahead and be selfish a bit , use it on yourselves. srry ive had enough of you as well.I'll be back but not for a while,,maybe next maintenance period.
If you are promised features and content before buying the product. Then come to find out AFTER you bought it, those things are not part of your product then it is indeed a scam.
There is no two ways about it. You may love the product as is and turn a blind eye to the missing features but missing content and features is not based on opinion. It cannot be argued as an opinion. It is a fact.
It does not matter if you love the poduct anyway. Good for you but that is irrelevant. If people don't get what they are promised when buying, they are being lured by false advertising. It does not matter you spendt 10 hours jizzing being in a suspended orgasm over your beloved product. It is still a scam to those that want those features and content they paid for and was promised.
The fact is the game released early because of lack of funding. The money those 10.000 people just spent will be going towards opening up more servers and lure more "testers" into the game. The fact you find the game awesome ..again is irrelevant to those points
People who expect to buy a polished product that has ALL the features listed on the product itself or on the web page in this case has a legitimate right to complain when they don't recieve it.
Just because you felt like you got your money worth doesn't mean it isn't a scam to everybody else.
I wouldn't go so far as scam, I'm playing it without high expectations whatsoever, unfortunately so far it hasn't impressed me but hey, it's knew...much like WAR 1st month to try everything, 2 more months to give them time and see if they put their acts together but in the end it just doesn't make you feel like it was even worth the 50 you spent, this goes for both games. There was so much pros and cons being spewed about that I tried it myself, but the fact is that it isn't worth the 50 much less the monthly, owell I'll check Aion next
i wouldnt say its a scam. just a horribly produced, fanboy hyped game that will never live up to the false potential laid out for it. oh well nice try AV
Mythic tell us about 6 capital cities, and some other classes, that now they are delivering (the classes, capital cities still are fog). They said the game allow hundread of players in real battle... Maybe they have forgotten to tell that works at 5 FPS? WOW!! Warhammer is SCAM!!!!
I have played AoC from the start, i remember a lot of features that are explained in the manual packed with the game.... THE MANUAL IN THE BOX!!!! Like blood coins, brawl in the tavern, mobs attacking guild cities... I don't remember very well.. But It seems that no one of these features where in the game, not now.... WOW! AoC is SCAM!
And we don't need speak about World of Warcraft beta, yeah? Or Vanguard?? So We have a lot of SCAM here! Guys now i know the truth!!! All the mmorpgs are SCUM! Thanks for the advice! I save CCP, because they are the only one to take care of the players....
WAR told us and fixed the web page to let people know these features where out for now /check
AoC had a great launch and left out stuff, but they still informed and updated the site to this end
WoW please, tho i find WoW boring they are in a Zone all their own
now Vanguard lol do you really want to compare DF to this, maybe what you are hinting is SoE please buy DF and place it too on life support ?
WaR , AoC and WoW had solid launches and was playable WaR and AoC me and wife did open beta and start up launches
Darkfall and the O they are a small company really holds no reason for bad PR and bad Launch < tho the Launch 3 days later seems to be working , good for them > but the Lie that is the web page and selling more accounts is wrong.
If they want people to think they are not up to par with the big boys then lower the price and monthly and then we can agree ...
They dont get it. I wouldnt even bother with them. For some reason they dont understand the concept of false advertisment.
You can tell it went over some peoples heads when they replied with there opinion on how fun the game is. lol
The big question i wanna know is what are there investors thinking, do they feel DF was a scam? You know they took there cut out of the release. But was that enough to calm em down till they get the rest of there money?
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Do you consider AOC, WAR, Vanguard (and more) all scams? If not, realize that those games weren't in any better shape than Darkfall is now upon "release" (and surprisingly, I find I enjoy my time in Darkfall a hell of alot more than any of those other games).
Aventurine is actually taking a more intelligent approach by limiting the amount of players who have access to it during its early release. For a number reasons
(1) to work out kinks before it goes mainstream
(2) to determine demand (thereby determining how many servers are necessary, instead of buying 30 servers which some may never be used)
(3) to get a limited amount of feedback on the actual gameplay, versus having to dig through millions of bug reports, suggestions, questions, and complaints.
The Darkfall dev team, from what I understand, is a fairly small group. As the time goes by, I expect to see them increase staff and the number of servers.
Also, consider the fact that it takes more than a group of programmers to run a MMORPG. You need employees (who require to be paid) to maintain the server(s). You need PR, CSR, techies, project managers, system analysts, and the list goes on. Right now, again from what I understand, Aventurine is simply a small group of programmers (a couple dozen). Considering what they've accomplished - and considering I write software - I'm actually impressed by what the small team has accomplished.
Maybe by definition, the game is a "scam." If that's the case, provide proof that any game that has been released with bugs, missing features, and minimal testing was not a scam by your definition?
The only reason I care is because I've been playing Darkfall whenever the servers are up. Last night, for about 8 hours straight, I ran around and explored the world with two clan-mates. Those 8 hours were the best time I've ever had in an MMO. When 4AM rolled around, I was grudging turning my computer off and going to bed because I didn't want the fun to end. No game has hooked me like this since my first MMO years ago.
Say what you will. You are entitled to your opinions, same as all of the people who are playing Darkfall (or who want to play Darkfall) are entitled to theirs. But don't try to stop other people from having fun because you're not...
Ill put it easy for you. You go to those websites and you dont see all the crap i posted.
Infact Vanguard when it did come out it was a major scam. it was nothing that was promised.
Thats where the term mcquaided came from. all the dumb fans who belived in him blindly defended the game and were given crap. Soe picked it up and now its a decent game.
Tasos did the same crap Brain Mcquaid did. Hype the game to the skies.
Just look at the feature section and faq section of the official website.
Listen, im not saying that the game is bad. people are having fun with it. But the point of the thread is that AV is scamming people , They never took down the features they could not deliver. They need to update. As it is now newcommers will see all the shit they have on their website and will detest the game when they see it is completely different.
The good thing is AV did a good portion of their promises and those do make a solid game, however they refuse to update their webpage of all the things that didnt make it that can hype newcommers for features that do not exsist.
Read my post and youll understand why I claim darkfall is a scam. They are doing the same as those as seen on tv commercials. Shamwow comes to mind.
Im going to sell you a dream.
Do you consider AOC, WAR, Vanguard (and more) all scams? If not, realize that those games weren't in any better shape than Darkfall is now upon "release" (and surprisingly, I find I enjoy my time in Darkfall a hell of alot more than any of those other games).
Aventurine is actually taking a more intelligent approach by limiting the amount of players who have access to it during its early release. For a number reasons
(1) to work out kinks before it goes mainstream
(2) to determine demand (thereby determining how many servers are necessary, instead of buying 30 servers which some may never be used)
(3) to get a limited amount of feedback on the actual gameplay, versus having to dig through millions of bug reports, suggestions, questions, and complaints.
The Darkfall dev team, from what I understand, is a fairly small group. As the time goes by, I expect to see them increase staff and the number of servers.
Also, consider the fact that it takes more than a group of programmers to run a MMORPG. You need employees (who require to be paid) to maintain the server(s). You need PR, CSR, techies, project managers, system analysts, and the list goes on. Right now, again from what I understand, Aventurine is simply a small group of programmers (a couple dozen). Considering what they've accomplished - and considering I write software - I'm actually impressed by what the small team has accomplished.
Maybe by definition, the game is a "scam." If that's the case, provide proof that any game that has been released with bugs, missing features, and minimal testing was not a scam by your definition?
The only reason I care is because I've been playing Darkfall whenever the servers are up. Last night, for about 8 hours straight, I ran around and explored the world with two clan-mates. Those 8 hours were the best time I've ever had in an MMO. When 4AM rolled around, I was grudging turning my computer off and going to bed because I didn't want the fun to end. No game has hooked me like this since my first MMO years ago.
Say what you will. You are entitled to your opinions, same as all of the people who are playing Darkfall (or who want to play Darkfall) are entitled to theirs. But don't try to stop other people from having fun because you're not...
Ill put it easy for you. You go to those websites and you dont see all the crap i posted.
Infact Vanguard when it did come out it was a major scam. it was nothing that was promised.
Thats where the term mcquaided came from. all the dumb fans who belived in him blindly defended the game and were given crap. Soe picked it up and now its a decent game.
Tasos did the same crap Brain Mcquaid did. Hype the game to the skies.
Just look at the feature section and faq section of the official website.
Listen, im not saying that the game is bad. people are having fun with it. But the point of the thread is that AV is scamming people , They never took down the features they could not deliver. They need to update. As it is now newcommers will see all the shit they have on their website and will detest the game when they see it is completely different.
The good thing is AV did a good portion of their promises and those do make a solid game, however they refuse to update their webpage of all the things that didnt make it that can hype newcommers for features that do not exsist.
Read my post and youll understand why I claim darkfall is a scam. They are doing the same as those as seen on tv commercials. Shamwow comes to mind.
I went back and found the post you are referring to. Please, reread my post, with an open mind. You seem to be clouded by some animosity towards this game/developer.
Bearing in mind many of the valid points you brought up, please remember the magnitude of what Aventurine is trying to accomplish with such a small crew.
Tell me this, are consumers currently able to go to the Darkfall website, mindlessly wander to a Purchase button, and buy the game? No, because it's currently not for sale. Yup, sounds like a scam to me!
Anyone who managed to get the pre-order (including me) had to dig deep and try for hours or days to get that game. Your average consumer would not have found this link just by visiting their main page. Hardcore fans and trolls alike would have found the link to purchasing the game because they frequently visit the forums and read up on the game.
So, considering there is no "Purchase Now!" button on the main web site, one would have to be added, correct? And what happens when they add that "Purchase Now!" button? Most definitely a content update.
So we have a small group of programmers who is working diligently to produce the best content in their game, while ignoring the content on their web site until it has to be updated. Wow, what a concept. Programmers programming... yup, I'm convinced, it's a scam.
The benefit of having a large company backed by other large companies is the access to finances. Turbine, Funcom, Mythic, Blizzard have all had their hands in the business for years. They've probably got scores of staff members designing top-notch web sites and advertisements. What does Aventurine have? A group of programmers designing a top-notch MMORPG. Don't you think if they had a lot of resources and money, they would have gotten someone better for their PR (instead of using one of their developers....)? I think so.
Aventurine has a significant disadvantage, and has still managed to produce a better game than many of the large developers out there.
"Good people are good because they've come to wisdom through failure. We get very little wisdom from success, you know." William Saroyan
Do you consider AOC, WAR, Vanguard (and more) all scams? If not, realize that those games weren't in any better shape than Darkfall is now upon "release" (and surprisingly, I find I enjoy my time in Darkfall a hell of alot more than any of those other games).
Aventurine is actually taking a more intelligent approach by limiting the amount of players who have access to it during its early release. For a number reasons
(1) to work out kinks before it goes mainstream
(2) to determine demand (thereby determining how many servers are necessary, instead of buying 30 servers which some may never be used)
(3) to get a limited amount of feedback on the actual gameplay, versus having to dig through millions of bug reports, suggestions, questions, and complaints.
The Darkfall dev team, from what I understand, is a fairly small group. As the time goes by, I expect to see them increase staff and the number of servers.
Also, consider the fact that it takes more than a group of programmers to run a MMORPG. You need employees (who require to be paid) to maintain the server(s). You need PR, CSR, techies, project managers, system analysts, and the list goes on. Right now, again from what I understand, Aventurine is simply a small group of programmers (a couple dozen). Considering what they've accomplished - and considering I write software - I'm actually impressed by what the small team has accomplished.
Maybe by definition, the game is a "scam." If that's the case, provide proof that any game that has been released with bugs, missing features, and minimal testing was not a scam by your definition?
The only reason I care is because I've been playing Darkfall whenever the servers are up. Last night, for about 8 hours straight, I ran around and explored the world with two clan-mates. Those 8 hours were the best time I've ever had in an MMO. When 4AM rolled around, I was grudging turning my computer off and going to bed because I didn't want the fun to end. No game has hooked me like this since my first MMO years ago.
Say what you will. You are entitled to your opinions, same as all of the people who are playing Darkfall (or who want to play Darkfall) are entitled to theirs. But don't try to stop other people from having fun because you're not...
Ill put it easy for you. You go to those websites and you dont see all the crap i posted.
Infact Vanguard when it did come out it was a major scam. it was nothing that was promised.
Thats where the term mcquaided came from. all the dumb fans who belived in him blindly defended the game and were given crap. Soe picked it up and now its a decent game.
Tasos did the same crap Brain Mcquaid did. Hype the game to the skies.
Just look at the feature section and faq section of the official website.
Listen, im not saying that the game is bad. people are having fun with it. But the point of the thread is that AV is scamming people , They never took down the features they could not deliver. They need to update. As it is now newcommers will see all the shit they have on their website and will detest the game when they see it is completely different.
The good thing is AV did a good portion of their promises and those do make a solid game, however they refuse to update their webpage of all the things that didnt make it that can hype newcommers for features that do not exsist.
Read my post and youll understand why I claim darkfall is a scam. They are doing the same as those as seen on tv commercials. Shamwow comes to mind.
I went back and found the post you are referring to. Please, reread my post, with an open mind. You seem to be clouded by some animosity towards this game/developer.
Bearing in mind many of the valid points you brought up, please remember the magnitude of what Aventurine is trying to accomplish with such a small crew.
Tell me this, are consumers currently able to go to the Darkfall website, mindlessly wander to a Purchase button, and buy the game? No, because it's currently not for sale. Yup, sounds like a scam to me!
Anyone who managed to get the pre-order (including me) had to dig deep and try for hours or days to get that game. Your average consumer would not have found this link just by visiting their main page. Hardcore fans and trolls alike would have found the link to purchasing the game because they frequently visit the forums and read up on the game.
So, considering there is no "Purchase Now!" button on the main web site, one would have to be added, correct? And what happens when they add that "Purchase Now!" button? Most definitely a content update.
So we have a small group of programmers who is working diligently to produce the best content in their game, while ignoring the content on their web site until it has to be updated. Wow, what a concept. Programmers programming... yup, I'm convinced, it's a scam.
The benefit of having a large company backed by other large companies is the access to finances. Turbine, Funcom, Mythic, Blizzard have all had their hands in the business for years. They've probably got scores of staff members designing top-notch web sites and advertisements. What does Aventurine have? A group of programmers designing a top-notch MMORPG. Don't you think if they had a lot of resources and money, they would have gotten someone better for their PR (instead of using one of their developers....)? I think so.
Aventurine has a significant disadvantage, and has still managed to produce a better game than many of the large developers out there.
the last part is your own opinion.
There is a thing call publicity. If you would want AV to thrive they need to have credability regardless how small a company they are. Reaserch what a indie company is, ill put it simple for you. its a company capable of deveploing, marketing and producing their own product. It has nothing to do if they are new or not.
They Managed to take off the beta sign up. Seriously how hard is it to change the feature part and scratch off what didnt make it to have more cedability. you know even a amature web designer wont take less than 30 min to retrsucture the feature page and their faq.
Not doing so is not showing signs of being a good company. Its pretty easy to make a website with little html knowhow and some .net . there is No excuse regardless the size of the company to have a poor presentation of your product.
There is also a trend. you see mmorpgs that flopped had the same occurence. They needed someone to present the game. the game was hidden to almost the end . all the big successful games had the game speak for itself. Tasos did the same as Mcquaid , British and a few others.
Now i will like to add this and i do not mean to offend you but you are gullable to fall for the fascade companies present to you. You may love the concepts of the game but by all means that doesnt mean that the company does this in good faith ect.
They do it for money and if they want money they need to create somthing that will attract alot of customers. its that simple. They will fascade that fact by claiming how they worked their soul ect into the game. Big companies will recruit proffesional writers ect. but its all for the same thing Money.
AV's Intention is clearly to compete for a piece of the mmo pie. They already have showed to make bad desisions. the ammount they are currently making is not enough to keep 20+ people afloat. By keeping those lies on their website they will suffer greatly when they do manage to get another server up ect.
Like i said they are advertizing more than what the game is. just the same as the shamwow commercial.
Im going to sell you a dream.
So you're saying releasing software that you know to be totally untested and buggy because you need money to keep existing is NOT a scam?
Is that what you're trying to say?
"totally untested"? Would you like to provide us with your evidence? And by evidence I want facts, not conclusions. From what I have read there have been a decent amount of beta TESTERS and therefore your suggestion that the game is "totally untested" brings clear misjudgement on your post. As far as "buggy", I am sure it has bugs. What game at launch doesn't? Perhaps your argument is that the games' bugs are more destructive to the overall game in comparision to other games, but you didn't say that and I highly doubt that is the case.
So you're saying releasing software that you know to be totally untested and buggy because you need money to keep existing is NOT a scam?
Is that what you're trying to say?
"totally untested"? Would you like to provide us with your evidence? And by evidence I want facts, not conclusions. From what I have read there have been a decent amount of beta TESTERS and therefore your suggestion that the game is "totally untested" brings clear misjudgement on your post. As far as "buggy", I am sure it has bugs. What game at launch doesn't? Perhaps your argument is that the games' bugs are more destructive to the overall game in comparision to other games, but you didn't say that and I highly doubt that is the case.
all your answers are on the feature section on the official website. go check it out.
Im going to sell you a dream.
It's a shoddy little Indy co with shoddy staff in a little shoddy country with a shoddy budget! What else did you expect from them?
Do you consider AOC, WAR, Vanguard (and more) all scams? If not, realize that those games weren't in any better shape than Darkfall is now upon "release" (and surprisingly, I find I enjoy my time in Darkfall a hell of alot more than any of those other games).
Aventurine is actually taking a more intelligent approach by limiting the amount of players who have access to it during its early release. For a number reasons
(1) to work out kinks before it goes mainstream
(2) to determine demand (thereby determining how many servers are necessary, instead of buying 30 servers which some may never be used)
(3) to get a limited amount of feedback on the actual gameplay, versus having to dig through millions of bug reports, suggestions, questions, and complaints.
The Darkfall dev team, from what I understand, is a fairly small group. As the time goes by, I expect to see them increase staff and the number of servers.
Also, consider the fact that it takes more than a group of programmers to run a MMORPG. You need employees (who require to be paid) to maintain the server(s). You need PR, CSR, techies, project managers, system analysts, and the list goes on. Right now, again from what I understand, Aventurine is simply a small group of programmers (a couple dozen). Considering what they've accomplished - and considering I write software - I'm actually impressed by what the small team has accomplished.
Maybe by definition, the game is a "scam." If that's the case, provide proof that any game that has been released with bugs, missing features, and minimal testing was not a scam by your definition?
The only reason I care is because I've been playing Darkfall whenever the servers are up. Last night, for about 8 hours straight, I ran around and explored the world with two clan-mates. Those 8 hours were the best time I've ever had in an MMO. When 4AM rolled around, I was grudging turning my computer off and going to bed because I didn't want the fun to end. No game has hooked me like this since my first MMO years ago.
Say what you will. You are entitled to your opinions, same as all of the people who are playing Darkfall (or who want to play Darkfall) are entitled to theirs. But don't try to stop other people from having fun because you're not...
Ill put it easy for you. You go to those websites and you dont see all the crap i posted.
Infact Vanguard when it did come out it was a major scam. it was nothing that was promised.
Thats where the term mcquaided came from. all the dumb fans who belived in him blindly defended the game and were given crap. Soe picked it up and now its a decent game.
Tasos did the same crap Brain Mcquaid did. Hype the game to the skies.
Just look at the feature section and faq section of the official website.
Listen, im not saying that the game is bad. people are having fun with it. But the point of the thread is that AV is scamming people , They never took down the features they could not deliver. They need to update. As it is now newcommers will see all the shit they have on their website and will detest the game when they see it is completely different.
The good thing is AV did a good portion of their promises and those do make a solid game, however they refuse to update their webpage of all the things that didnt make it that can hype newcommers for features that do not exsist.
Read my post and youll understand why I claim darkfall is a scam. They are doing the same as those as seen on tv commercials. Shamwow comes to mind.
I went back and found the post you are referring to. Please, reread my post, with an open mind. You seem to be clouded by some animosity towards this game/developer.
Bearing in mind many of the valid points you brought up, please remember the magnitude of what Aventurine is trying to accomplish with such a small crew.
Tell me this, are consumers currently able to go to the Darkfall website, mindlessly wander to a Purchase button, and buy the game? No, because it's currently not for sale. Yup, sounds like a scam to me!
Anyone who managed to get the pre-order (including me) had to dig deep and try for hours or days to get that game. Your average consumer would not have found this link just by visiting their main page. Hardcore fans and trolls alike would have found the link to purchasing the game because they frequently visit the forums and read up on the game.
So, considering there is no "Purchase Now!" button on the main web site, one would have to be added, correct? And what happens when they add that "Purchase Now!" button? Most definitely a content update.
So we have a small group of programmers who is working diligently to produce the best content in their game, while ignoring the content on their web site until it has to be updated. Wow, what a concept. Programmers programming... yup, I'm convinced, it's a scam.
The benefit of having a large company backed by other large companies is the access to finances. Turbine, Funcom, Mythic, Blizzard have all had their hands in the business for years. They've probably got scores of staff members designing top-notch web sites and advertisements. What does Aventurine have? A group of programmers designing a top-notch MMORPG. Don't you think if they had a lot of resources and money, they would have gotten someone better for their PR (instead of using one of their developers....)? I think so.
Aventurine has a significant disadvantage, and has still managed to produce a better game than many of the large developers out there.
the last part is your own opinion.
There is a thing call publicity. If you would want AV to thrive they need to have credability regardless how small a company they are. Reaserch what a indie company is, ill put it simple for you. its a company capable of deveploing, marketing and producing their own product. It has nothing to do if they are new or not.
They Managed to take off the beta sign up. Seriously how hard is it to change the feature part and scratch off what didnt make it to have more cedability. you know even a amature web designer wont take less than 30 min to retrsucture the feature page and their faq.
Not doing so is not showing signs of being a good company. Its pretty easy to make a website with little html knowhow and some .net . there is No excuse regardless the size of the company to have a poor presentation of your product.
There is also a trend. you see mmorpgs that flopped had the same occurence. They needed someone to present the game. the game was hidden to almost the end . all the big successful games had the game speak for itself. Tasos did the same as Mcquaid , British and a few others.
Now i will like to add this and i do not mean to offend you but you are gullable to fall for the fascade companies present to you. You may love the concepts of the game but by all means that doesnt mean that the company does this in good faith ect.
They do it for money and if they want money they need to create somthing that will attract alot of customers. its that simple. They will fascade that fact by claiming how they worked their soul ect into the game. Big companies will recruit proffesional writers ect. but its all for the same thing Money.
AV's Intention is clearly to compete for a piece of the mmo pie. They already have showed to make bad desisions. the ammount they are currently making is not enough to keep 20+ people afloat. By keeping those lies on their website they will suffer greatly when they do manage to get another server up ect.
Like i said they are advertizing more than what the game is. just the same as the shamwow commercial.
You are basing your predictions off of speculation. Speculation, however fun, is not a solid means of predicting the future (there is no solid means for predicting the future, aside from data mining, which isn't really predicting the future). In truth, we don't know what the future holds for this company.
I know what I've experienced, and I experienced a fun game. If I play a fun game, I am likely to continue playing it, that is what will keep customers. I was not absorbed by the company's lies, and I recognize that their publicity has been anything but perfect. On the publicity end, they have failed miserably.
What they have not failed at (and which is what is most important) is developing a fun, functional, and enjoyable video game (I will point out here that this is my opinion, so you don't get your panties in a bunch again).
Is it released to the masses yet? No. Will it be released to the masses? Who knows. Perhaps something traumatic will happen and they'll have to shut down the whole gig. Or, perhaps something great will happen and they'll have a flourishing product. I really would prefer to see the product succeed. But only time will tell. Assumptions and predictions will not.
"Good people are good because they've come to wisdom through failure. We get very little wisdom from success, you know." William Saroyan
Do you consider AOC, WAR, Vanguard (and more) all scams? If not, realize that those games weren't in any better shape than Darkfall is now upon "release" (and surprisingly, I find I enjoy my time in Darkfall a hell of alot more than any of those other games).
Aventurine is actually taking a more intelligent approach by limiting the amount of players who have access to it during its early release. For a number reasons
(1) to work out kinks before it goes mainstream
(2) to determine demand (thereby determining how many servers are necessary, instead of buying 30 servers which some may never be used)
(3) to get a limited amount of feedback on the actual gameplay, versus having to dig through millions of bug reports, suggestions, questions, and complaints.
The Darkfall dev team, from what I understand, is a fairly small group. As the time goes by, I expect to see them increase staff and the number of servers.
Also, consider the fact that it takes more than a group of programmers to run a MMORPG. You need employees (who require to be paid) to maintain the server(s). You need PR, CSR, techies, project managers, system analysts, and the list goes on. Right now, again from what I understand, Aventurine is simply a small group of programmers (a couple dozen). Considering what they've accomplished - and considering I write software - I'm actually impressed by what the small team has accomplished.
Maybe by definition, the game is a "scam." If that's the case, provide proof that any game that has been released with bugs, missing features, and minimal testing was not a scam by your definition?
The only reason I care is because I've been playing Darkfall whenever the servers are up. Last night, for about 8 hours straight, I ran around and explored the world with two clan-mates. Those 8 hours were the best time I've ever had in an MMO. When 4AM rolled around, I was grudging turning my computer off and going to bed because I didn't want the fun to end. No game has hooked me like this since my first MMO years ago.
Say what you will. You are entitled to your opinions, same as all of the people who are playing Darkfall (or who want to play Darkfall) are entitled to theirs. But don't try to stop other people from having fun because you're not...
Ill put it easy for you. You go to those websites and you dont see all the crap i posted.
Infact Vanguard when it did come out it was a major scam. it was nothing that was promised.
Thats where the term mcquaided came from. all the dumb fans who belived in him blindly defended the game and were given crap. Soe picked it up and now its a decent game.
Tasos did the same crap Brain Mcquaid did. Hype the game to the skies.
Just look at the feature section and faq section of the official website.
Listen, im not saying that the game is bad. people are having fun with it. But the point of the thread is that AV is scamming people , They never took down the features they could not deliver. They need to update. As it is now newcommers will see all the shit they have on their website and will detest the game when they see it is completely different.
The good thing is AV did a good portion of their promises and those do make a solid game, however they refuse to update their webpage of all the things that didnt make it that can hype newcommers for features that do not exsist.
Read my post and youll understand why I claim darkfall is a scam. They are doing the same as those as seen on tv commercials. Shamwow comes to mind.
I went back and found the post you are referring to. Please, reread my post, with an open mind. You seem to be clouded by some animosity towards this game/developer.
Bearing in mind many of the valid points you brought up, please remember the magnitude of what Aventurine is trying to accomplish with such a small crew.
Tell me this, are consumers currently able to go to the Darkfall website, mindlessly wander to a Purchase button, and buy the game? No, because it's currently not for sale. Yup, sounds like a scam to me!
Anyone who managed to get the pre-order (including me) had to dig deep and try for hours or days to get that game. Your average consumer would not have found this link just by visiting their main page. Hardcore fans and trolls alike would have found the link to purchasing the game because they frequently visit the forums and read up on the game.
So, considering there is no "Purchase Now!" button on the main web site, one would have to be added, correct? And what happens when they add that "Purchase Now!" button? Most definitely a content update.
So we have a small group of programmers who is working diligently to produce the best content in their game, while ignoring the content on their web site until it has to be updated. Wow, what a concept. Programmers programming... yup, I'm convinced, it's a scam.
The benefit of having a large company backed by other large companies is the access to finances. Turbine, Funcom, Mythic, Blizzard have all had their hands in the business for years. They've probably got scores of staff members designing top-notch web sites and advertisements. What does Aventurine have? A group of programmers designing a top-notch MMORPG. Don't you think if they had a lot of resources and money, they would have gotten someone better for their PR (instead of using one of their developers....)? I think so.
Aventurine has a significant disadvantage, and has still managed to produce a better game than many of the large developers out there.
the last part is your own opinion.
There is a thing call publicity. If you would want AV to thrive they need to have credability regardless how small a company they are. Reaserch what a indie company is, ill put it simple for you. its a company capable of deveploing, marketing and producing their own product. It has nothing to do if they are new or not.
They Managed to take off the beta sign up. Seriously how hard is it to change the feature part and scratch off what didnt make it to have more cedability. you know even a amature web designer wont take less than 30 min to retrsucture the feature page and their faq.
Not doing so is not showing signs of being a good company. Its pretty easy to make a website with little html knowhow and some .net . there is No excuse regardless the size of the company to have a poor presentation of your product.
There is also a trend. you see mmorpgs that flopped had the same occurence. They needed someone to present the game. the game was hidden to almost the end . all the big successful games had the game speak for itself. Tasos did the same as Mcquaid , British and a few others.
Now i will like to add this and i do not mean to offend you but you are gullable to fall for the fascade companies present to you. You may love the concepts of the game but by all means that doesnt mean that the company does this in good faith ect.
They do it for money and if they want money they need to create somthing that will attract alot of customers. its that simple. They will fascade that fact by claiming how they worked their soul ect into the game. Big companies will recruit proffesional writers ect. but its all for the same thing Money.
AV's Intention is clearly to compete for a piece of the mmo pie. They already have showed to make bad desisions. the ammount they are currently making is not enough to keep 20+ people afloat. By keeping those lies on their website they will suffer greatly when they do manage to get another server up ect.
Like i said they are advertizing more than what the game is. just the same as the shamwow commercial.
You are basing your predictions off of speculation. Speculation, however fun, is not a solid means of predicting the future (there is no solid means for predicting the future, aside from data mining, which isn't really predicting the future). In truth, we don't know what the future holds for this company.
I know what I've experienced, and I experienced a fun game. If I play a fun game, I am likely to continue playing it, that is what will keep customers. I was not absorbed by the company's lies, and I recognize that their publicity has been anything but perfect. On the publicity end, they have failed miserably.
What they have not failed at (and which is what is most important) is developing a fun, functional, and enjoyable video game (I will point out here that this is my opinion, so you don't get your panties in a bunch again).
Is it released to the masses yet? No. Will it be released to the masses? Who knows. Perhaps something traumatic will happen and they'll have to shut down the whole gig. Or, perhaps something great will happen and they'll have a flourishing product. I really would prefer to see the product succeed. But only time will tell. Assumptions and predictions will not.
Game is crap there is proof all over the web. NDA has lifted, you are trying to fight a losing battle dude.
This isnt fighting,you'd need to be a Darkfall member to see fighting, and I can tell you're no member.
played it, crappy game :[
Yeah, maybe you're right. I base my own opinion on the opinions of others. So I'll just jump ship and say "to hell with it."
Well, I've seen the logic and intelligence of the members of these forums, and think I've had enough.
Good luck with drawing conclusions from the opinions of others. I hear the Internet is the best place for that these days.
"Good people are good because they've come to wisdom through failure. We get very little wisdom from success, you know." William Saroyan
Awwww lookie here.a baby troll. welcome to the world you were just recently born I doubt you could have played much of anything.
Excuse me, maybe i don't remember well...
Mythic tell us about 6 capital cities, and some other classes, that now they are delivering (the classes, capital cities still are fog). They said the game allow hundread of players in real battle... Maybe they have forgotten to tell that works at 5 FPS? WOW!! Warhammer is SCAM!!!!
I have played AoC from the start, i remember a lot of features that are explained in the manual packed with the game.... THE MANUAL IN THE BOX!!!! Like blood coins, brawl in the tavern, mobs attacking guild cities...
I don't remember very well.. But It seems that no one of these features where in the game, not now....
WOW! AoC is SCAM!
And we don't need speak about World of Warcraft beta, yeah? Or Vanguard?? So We have a lot of SCAM here!
Guys now i know the truth!!! All the mmorpgs are SCUM! Thanks for the advice!
I save CCP, because they are the only one to take care of the players....
People say the same thing about WAR VG and AoC. Are those games shut down? No. So keep you predictions to yourself. And FYI I dont play DF yet, I want to but like many I can't.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
guess what kiddies, time to play DF again ,,have fun with your threads maybe if you hijack enough you can make yourselves a noose.And I can say go ahead and be selfish a bit , use it on yourselves.
srry ive had enough of you as well.I'll be back but not for a while,,maybe next maintenance period.
Yet, many beta testers pre-ordered knowing the state of the game.
I win!!! LOL@U
Yet, many beta testers pre-ordered knowing the state of the game.
Yeah, I really don't get that. It's not just Darkfall either - happens every release.
And while it keeps happening we can't expect Developers to lift their game.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
If you are promised features and content before buying the product. Then come to find out AFTER you bought it, those things are not part of your product then it is indeed a scam.
There is no two ways about it. You may love the product as is and turn a blind eye to the missing features but missing content and features is not based on opinion. It cannot be argued as an opinion. It is a fact.
It does not matter if you love the poduct anyway. Good for you but that is irrelevant. If people don't get what they are promised when buying, they are being lured by false advertising. It does not matter you spendt 10 hours jizzing being in a suspended orgasm over your beloved product. It is still a scam to those that want those features and content they paid for and was promised.
The fact is the game released early because of lack of funding. The money those 10.000 people just spent will be going towards opening up more servers and lure more "testers" into the game. The fact you find the game awesome ..again is irrelevant to those points
People who expect to buy a polished product that has ALL the features listed on the product itself or on the web page in this case has a legitimate right to complain when they don't recieve it.
Just because you felt like you got your money worth doesn't mean it isn't a scam to everybody else.
Yet, many beta testers pre-ordered knowing the state of the game.
Yeah, I really don't get that.
Because we enjoyed DFO enough in Beta to pay for it?
I win!!! LOL@U
I wouldn't go so far as scam, I'm playing it without high expectations whatsoever, unfortunately so far it hasn't impressed me but hey, it's knew...much like WAR 1st month to try everything, 2 more months to give them time and see if they put their acts together but in the end it just doesn't make you feel like it was even worth the 50 you spent, this goes for both games. There was so much pros and cons being spewed about that I tried it myself, but the fact is that it isn't worth the 50 much less the monthly, owell I'll check Aion next
i wouldnt say its a scam. just a horribly produced, fanboy hyped game that will never live up to the false potential laid out for it. oh well nice try AV
WAR told us and fixed the web page to let people know these features where out for now /check
AoC had a great launch and left out stuff, but they still informed and updated the site to this end
WoW please, tho i find WoW boring they are in a Zone all their own
now Vanguard lol do you really want to compare DF to this, maybe what you are hinting is SoE please buy DF and place it too on life support ?
WaR , AoC and WoW had solid launches and was playable WaR and AoC me and wife did open beta and start up launches
Darkfall and the O they are a small company really holds no reason for bad PR and bad Launch < tho the Launch 3 days later seems to be working , good for them > but the Lie that is the web page and selling more accounts is wrong.
If they want people to think they are not up to par with the big boys then lower the price and monthly and then we can agree ...
They dont get it. I wouldnt even bother with them. For some reason they dont understand the concept of false advertisment.
You can tell it went over some peoples heads when they replied with there opinion on how fun the game is. lol
The big question i wanna know is what are there investors thinking, do they feel DF was a scam? You know they took there cut out of the release. But was that enough to calm em down till they get the rest of there money?