Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
I look forward to your next barrage.
You missed the other part, fyi.
Thanks for another bump!
Why don't you relax, show us where the bad men touched you and tell us why you have an inadequacy complex that compells you to over inflate your own self importance.
Help us to understand your mental issues and perhaps someone might actually care about you enough to want to help.
Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
I look forward to your next barrage.
You missed the other part, fyi.
Thanks for another bump!
Yes I did, you edited while I was posting.
I have no concerns as to the social developments of my kids. We live in a rural area and my kids are typical rural kids, always out playing, building dens and climbing trees. The usual limits of their internet experiences are looking at lolcats and watching movie trailers when the weather is bad.
I do agree on your statement on parental responsibility though but that's not the end of it. We are all responsible for our actions and we affect everyone we come into contact with. And yes, education is vital but it's the education that's lacking. People seem to be terrified of teaching kids about what's right and wrong because many parents throw their hands in the air and cry 'you can't tell my children what to do! It's a free country!' I forget where I saw this quote but I believe that 'freedom without limits is just a word'. By not observing self imposed limits your freedom infringes on the freedom of others. Who has the right to do that? I can't tell you not to be griefer but I can ask you to consider the implications and that is what I'm doing.
Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
I look forward to your next barrage.
You missed the other part, fyi.
Thanks for another bump!
Why don't you relax, show us where the bad men touched you and tell us why you have an inadequacy complex that compells you to over inflate your own self importance.
Help us to understand your mental issues and perhaps someone might actually care about you enough to want to help.
I'm very relaxed, how about you? Have you seen me get upset after 15 pages of you carebears crying and whining about a website? LOL.
Thanks for the free advertisement! No, seriously, THANKS!
Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
I look forward to your next barrage.
You missed the other part, fyi.
Thanks for another bump!
Why don't you relax, show us where the bad men touched you and tell us why you have an inadequacy complex that compells you to over inflate your own self importance.
Help us to understand your mental issues and perhaps someone might actually care about you enough to want to help.
I'm very relaxed, how about you? Have you seen me get upset after 15 pages of you carebears crying and whining about a website? LOL.
Thanks for the free advertisement! No, seriously, THANKS!
Free advertising is good. Means hackers and virus spreaders get a new target. Hope nothing bad happens to your site, seriously, I mean it, good luck with it...
As for being upset, sure you can write a good "tough talk" reply, but we all know, in the dark moments of the night, when you are alone, feeling sad, slightly miserable, trying to find consolation in your pathetic excuse of a life, the realisation that you are a loser trying your hardest to be noticed is really sad and you are not sure how long you can keep up the fake smile.
Got to ask yourself a question though. Will your posts and website stop you feeling empty and if you dissapeared would anyone notice or care? People like you come and go, and usually they leave without saying goodbye through shame...or perhaps because they are not in a position to reply. Enjoy your life...
Ok got to look at your site, a bit bare bones but it looks ok, I expected to see a lot more ppl joined up tbh, no wonder your on a recruitment drive with 16 members.
However can't knock a person for trying to make a site for those ppl that want to enjoy the company of similar folk.
Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
I look forward to your next barrage.
You missed the other part, fyi.
Thanks for another bump!
Why don't you relax, show us where the bad men touched you and tell us why you have an inadequacy complex that compells you to over inflate your own self importance.
Help us to understand your mental issues and perhaps someone might actually care about you enough to want to help.
I'm very relaxed, how about you? Have you seen me get upset after 15 pages of you carebears crying and whining about a website? LOL.
Thanks for the free advertisement! No, seriously, THANKS!
Free advertising is good. Means hackers and virus spreaders get a new target. Hope nothing bad happens to your site, seriously, I mean it, good luck with it...
As for being upset, sure you can write a good "tough talk" reply, but we all know, in the dark moments of the night, when you are alone, feeling sad, slightly miserable, trying to find consolation in your pathetic excuse of a life, the realisation that you are a loser trying your hardest to be noticed is really sad and you are not sure how long you can keep up the fake smile.
Got to ask yourself a question though. Will your posts and website stop you feeling empty and if you dissapeared would anyone notice or care? People like you come and go, and usually they leave without saying goodbye through shame...or perhaps because they are not in a position to reply. Enjoy your life...
My life is wonderful! Thanks for asking, I appreciate your concern. No, I would not care about my website or what's happening on t3h intrawebz if I left.
You know what's really ironic, is that you are really trying to do to me what you claim to despite, that's being griefing and only bullying. You are trying so hard to hurt my feelings by your online words, yet you are forgetting who you are doing that to, haha.
I'll give u another bump, see if we can't get you a few more ppl to add to the 16 others on your webby. Btw I think you meant to say despise and not despite.
Thanks! I appreciate that. Yes yes, I meant despise, please forgive me. I might dissapoint you if I say I do not really care at the moment what's the population of my community. We are taking thinks very slow and we advertise when we have time. I'm currently bored as hell at work so I'm here in this thread getting good school girl giggles out of the angry carebears trying to fight the evil griefers.
I have no concerns as to the social developments of my kids. We live in a rural area and my kids are typical rural kids, always out playing, building dens and climbing trees. The usual limits of their internet experiences are looking at lolcats and watching movie trailers when the weather is bad.
I do agree on your statement on parental responsibility though but that's not the end of it. We are all responsible for our actions and we affect everyone we come into contact with. And yes, education is vital but it's the education that's lacking. People seem to be terrified of teaching kids about what's right and wrong because many parents throw their hands in the air and cry 'you can't tell my children what to do! It's a free country!' I forget where I saw this quote but I believe that 'freedom without limits is just a word'. By not observing self imposed limits your freedom infringes on the freedom of others. Who has the right to do that? I can't tell you not to be griefer but I can ask you to consider the implications and that is what I'm doing.
There are some interesting points in this thread. I think there is a big difference between what is usually termed as cyber bullying and griefing within a game. Cyber bullying is usually an extension of the more traditional sorts of bullying and uses the internet to humiliate or intimidate someone personally, which is invasive and can be difficult to stop. In the game environment the griefing is anonymous and easy to stop: you just simply log out. However, the two forms of harassment do share some common ground in causing frustration and other negative feelings.
The bottom line to me is the differential between adults and minors. If an adult chooses to play a FFA full loot PvP game like Darkfall, whose game mechanics allow griefing to occur, then they are putting themselves at risk of being griefed. It is much like going to see an 18 movie: don't like the material, don't see it. If I find a game annoying I'll log out and do something else, it is my choice.
What I think is an important distiction is minors. It is sometimes difficult for some young children to separate themselves from the negative feelings generated through the game. Should these games be rated to advise parents about this? Does it come down to parental responsiblity? How would a parent be expected to know what happens in a given game?
I don't particularly agree with the griefers, but as long as they are not cheating then they are just doing what is allowed by the game mechanics and therefore encouraged by the game. Does the responsibility for moderating this behaviour lie with the gamers, the developers or the ratings bodies? I'm not too sure.
I'll give u another bump, see if we can't get you a few more ppl to add to the 16 others on your webby. Btw I think you meant to say despise and not despite.
Thanks! I appreciate that. Yes yes, I meant despise, please forgive me. I might dissapoint you if I say I do not really care at the moment what's the population of my community. We are taking thinks very slow and we advertise when we have time. I'm currently bored as hell at work so I'm here in this thread getting good school girl giggles out of the angry carebears trying to fight the evil griefers.
Tsk Tsk you certainly wouldn't want to give your employers a reason to sack you now would you, be a good boy and get back to work, come on toodle oo off.
I have no concerns as to the social developments of my kids. We live in a rural area and my kids are typical rural kids, always out playing, building dens and climbing trees. The usual limits of their internet experiences are looking at lolcats and watching movie trailers when the weather is bad.
I do agree on your statement on parental responsibility though but that's not the end of it. We are all responsible for our actions and we affect everyone we come into contact with. And yes, education is vital but it's the education that's lacking. People seem to be terrified of teaching kids about what's right and wrong because many parents throw their hands in the air and cry 'you can't tell my children what to do! It's a free country!' I forget where I saw this quote but I believe that 'freedom without limits is just a word'. By not observing self imposed limits your freedom infringes on the freedom of others. Who has the right to do that? I can't tell you not to be griefer but I can ask you to consider the implications and that is what I'm doing.
There are some interesting points in this thread. I think there is a big difference between what is usually termed as cyber bullying and griefing within a game. Cyber bullying is usually an extension of the more traditional sorts of bullying and uses the internet to humiliate or intimidate someone personally, which is invasive and can be difficult to stop. In the game environment the griefing is anonymous and easy to stop: you just simply log out. However, the two forms of harassment do share some common ground in causing frustration and other negative feelings.
The bottom line to me is the differential between adults and minors. If an adult chooses to play a FFA full loot PvP game like Darkfall, whose game mechanics allow griefing to occur, then they are putting themselves at risk of being griefed. It is much like going to see an 18 movie: don't like the material, don't see it. If I find a game annoying I'll log out and do something else, it is my choice.
What I think is an important distiction is minors. It is sometimes difficult for some young children to separate themselves from the negative feelings generated through the game. Should these games be rated to advise parents about this? Does it come down to parental responsiblity? How would a parent be expected to know what happens in a given game?
I don't particularly agree with the griefers, but as long as they are not cheating then they are just doing what is allowed by the game mechanics and therefore encouraged by the game. Does the responsibility for moderating this behaviour lie with the gamers, the developers or the ratings bodies? I'm not too sure.
I don't think caving in and logging out is the answer, it's rewarding the griefer by handing them a victory. I'm sure Belphegor will point out that, should he cause that to happen, he's done what he set out to do and now has bragging rights 'I made some guy stop playing...i r teh pr0'. Sometimes you need to make a stand.
The thing with sandbox type games is that its up to the community to police itself and I'm hoping that this will be the case here. Hopefully enough people will be concerned enough to take action and have the testicular fortitude to keep these lower elements in-line, whether its via a few good beatings in game or by discussion on the forums. Seeing as I don't have access to the game at this time (I'm still watching to see how things develop before I commit anything), I have opted for the latter.
To address your final point, I can see no time at which the final choice of how a person conducts themselves doesn't lie with themselves. Call it conscience, sense of decency or whatever, it should always have the final say in my own opinion.
I'll give u another bump, see if we can't get you a few more ppl to add to the 16 others on your webby. Btw I think you meant to say despise and not despite.
Thanks! I appreciate that. Yes yes, I meant despise, please forgive me. I might dissapoint you if I say I do not really care at the moment what's the population of my community. We are taking thinks very slow and we advertise when we have time. I'm currently bored as hell at work so I'm here in this thread getting good school girl giggles out of the angry carebears trying to fight the evil griefers.
Tsk Tsk you certainly wouldn't want to give your employers a reason to sack you now would you, be a good boy and get back to work, come on toodle oo off.
I honestly have nothing else to do during my night shifts than sit and bullshit on the internet, true story. Either way I'm done with college for a bit and in a near future I'm leaving for Marines, so I don't really care either way Right now I'm taking life as easy as it gets before I have to endure some serious ass whoopage that's before me.
Ah the Marines, ex-squaddie myself 11 yrs served with the Royal Signals, loved every single minute of it.
Just do yourself a favour and make it a career and not a 5 minute wonder, alot of the kids we had coming in wanted to leave after a few years, no point teaching them anything at the end of the day.
I do shift work myself, Prison Officer and oddly enough alot are ex-forces aswell, it helps when the riots kick off, though hasn't been any in awhile.
in a near future I'm leaving for Marines, so I don't really care either way
I honestly wish you all the best with this.
Military service will change your perspective on a great many things and you gain a level of maturity denied to many, especially if you see active service (which, right now its a pretty fair bet you will).
I often miss my days in the army (I was an auto-electrician in the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, British Army for a lot of years).
ex-squaddie myself 11 yrs served with the Royal Signals, loved every single minute of it.
SCALEYBACK!!!
My last posting was with 24 Airmobile Brigade HQ and Signals at Colchester. I live in Catterick now, near where the Scorpion nightclub used to be....I'm sure you knew it well hehe
in a near future I'm leaving for Marines, so I don't really care either way
I honestly wish you all the best with this.
Military service will change your perspective on a great many things and you gain a level of maturity denied to many, especially if you see active service (which, right now its a pretty fair bet you will).
I often miss my days in the army (I was an auto-electrician in the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, British Army for a lot of years).
Aye saw active service in the first Gulf war and out in Bosnia, though Bosnia was not nice, as a family man saw some things out there I wish I had'nt.
ex-squaddie myself 11 yrs served with the Royal Signals, loved every single minute of it.
SCALEYBACK!!!
My last posting was with 24 Airmobile Brigade HQ and Signals at Colchester. I live in Catterick now, near where the Scorpion nightclub used to be....I'm sure you knew it well hehe
OMG the Scorpion, dam if you wanted a fight you went to that place, I was up there for training in 1986, boy soldier, loved it though I was a winter troop and it was FUCKING cold, running up and down Gandalf, haha oh the memories.
The old 264 SAS boys used to sometimes be the doormen there aswell. PT with the SAS guys was always fun, still remember the night they raided our room, we where middle floor and they where on the top, the abseiled in all in their anti-terrorist gear, talk about trying to put the frighteners on us.
I'm going to US Marines, but I'm sure it's not much different. I'll be doing Combat Support which here is Tanks, Artillery or Air Support. I'm hoping to get into Tanks, but that's not much choice.
I don't think caving in and logging out is the answer, it's rewarding the griefer by handing them a victory. I'm sure Belphegor will point out that, should he cause that to happen, he's done what he set out to do and now has bragging rights 'I made some guy stop playing...i r teh pr0'. Sometimes you need to make a stand. The thing with sandbox type games is that its up to the community to police itself and I'm hoping that this will be the case here. Hopefully enough people will be concerned enough to take action and have the testicular fortitude to keep these lower elements in-line, whether its via a few good beatings in game or by discussion on the forums. Seeing as I don't have access to the game at this time (I'm still watching to see how things develop before I commit anything), I have opted for the latter. To address your final point, I can see no time at which the final choice of how a person conducts themselves doesn't lie with themselves. Call it conscience, sense of decency or whatever, it should always have the final say in my own opinion.
Indeed, how an individual reacts to a given situation in game depends very much on themselves. The example I gave earlier was an attempt to highlight how easy it is to remove yourself from a game world by logging off. I would choose to do this if I would have a better time doing something else. As you point out though, I could rise to the challenge of the griefers and organise a fightback. I think the important point is I would only do this if I was enjoying myself and relished the fight. It is a recreational game and if I am not having fun it is time to find another game or hobby.
I agree that the ultimate responsibility for a person's conduct lies with themselves. However, society has a plethora of organisations and laws to aid, advise and punish people for their conduct. A game world does not have these mechanisms off the bat. You point out that the players could police the griefers and that is a very interesting aspect of sandbox play. However as long as what the griefers are doing is within the game mechanics (no cheating) and not against the terms of use of the game, do you not agree that what they are doing is a legitimate play style? In fact, don't they make sandbox play that much more exciting? Everyone needs a bad guy in a game right? I think your answer hints at the fact you would enjoy making a stand against these players in game and they may actually be making the game more exciting for many.
I think my previous point about minors is important though, it is crucial to be able to draw a distinction between the game world and the real world. All the griefers can ultimately do is waste your time and it is possible to stop that whenever you wish.
I'm going to US Marines, but I'm sure it's not much different. I'll be doing Combat Support which here is Tanks, Artillery or Air Support. I'm hoping to get into Tanks, but that's not much choice.
TANK!!!! omg I hope you love hard work then, I was part of the 3rd Armoured Division and we had tracked vehicles for our comms, you are constantly working on the bastards and they always have to be spotless for the brass when they walk around, you'll soon learn to hate all tracked vehicles I can assure you, they seem to attract dirt even when parked in the Garages.
Then when you go on exercise if your not obviously out on a tour you will find that your either on the move every 4 hrs or 8hrs and believe you me it's hard work setting up and dismantling all the time, if you've got no muscles now you'll have plenty after a few months with tracked vehicles.
Oh and you'll love the first time you throw a track hahahahahahahaha.
All in all it's bloody hard-work on any tracked vehicle, oh and make sure you never ever ever sleep near the tank or on it, ppl have usually been squashed or died from carbon monoxide poisoning from the exhausts, seen it happen on exercise twice and in Bosnia.
I'm going to US Marines, but I'm sure it's not much different. I'll be doing Combat Support which here is Tanks, Artillery or Air Support. I'm hoping to get into Tanks, but that's not much choice.
Who else here worries about letting a guy like this lose with a gun??? Let alone a tank.
Originally posted by tangleweb I think my previous point about minors is important though, it is crucial to be able to draw a distinction between the game world and the real world. - Absolutely, personally I wouldn't let a child play games where the issue of griefing could arise and exercise supervision in all other cases. Not everyone wants to be bothered though. Interesting discussion, thanks. - And thank you also.
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Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
I look forward to your next barrage.
You missed the other part, fyi.
Thanks for another bump!
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I didn't miss anything as I responded to your "Parents are to blame" remark.
Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
I look forward to your next barrage.
You missed the other part, fyi.
Thanks for another bump!
Why don't you relax, show us where the bad men touched you and tell us why you have an inadequacy complex that compells you to over inflate your own self importance.
Help us to understand your mental issues and perhaps someone might actually care about you enough to want to help.
Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
I look forward to your next barrage.
You missed the other part, fyi.
Thanks for another bump!
Yes I did, you edited while I was posting.
I have no concerns as to the social developments of my kids. We live in a rural area and my kids are typical rural kids, always out playing, building dens and climbing trees. The usual limits of their internet experiences are looking at lolcats and watching movie trailers when the weather is bad.
I do agree on your statement on parental responsibility though but that's not the end of it. We are all responsible for our actions and we affect everyone we come into contact with. And yes, education is vital but it's the education that's lacking. People seem to be terrified of teaching kids about what's right and wrong because many parents throw their hands in the air and cry 'you can't tell my children what to do! It's a free country!' I forget where I saw this quote but I believe that 'freedom without limits is just a word'. By not observing self imposed limits your freedom infringes on the freedom of others. Who has the right to do that? I can't tell you not to be griefer but I can ask you to consider the implications and that is what I'm doing.
Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
I look forward to your next barrage.
You missed the other part, fyi.
Thanks for another bump!
Why don't you relax, show us where the bad men touched you and tell us why you have an inadequacy complex that compells you to over inflate your own self importance.
Help us to understand your mental issues and perhaps someone might actually care about you enough to want to help.
I'm very relaxed, how about you? Have you seen me get upset after 15 pages of you carebears crying and whining about a website? LOL.
Thanks for the free advertisement! No, seriously, THANKS!
www.TheGriefer.net - PvP/PK MMO Community, Admin/Manager
Your site does not appear to be working.
Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
I look forward to your next barrage.
You missed the other part, fyi.
Thanks for another bump!
Why don't you relax, show us where the bad men touched you and tell us why you have an inadequacy complex that compells you to over inflate your own self importance.
Help us to understand your mental issues and perhaps someone might actually care about you enough to want to help.
I'm very relaxed, how about you? Have you seen me get upset after 15 pages of you carebears crying and whining about a website? LOL.
Thanks for the free advertisement! No, seriously, THANKS!
Free advertising is good. Means hackers and virus spreaders get a new target. Hope nothing bad happens to your site, seriously, I mean it, good luck with it...
As for being upset, sure you can write a good "tough talk" reply, but we all know, in the dark moments of the night, when you are alone, feeling sad, slightly miserable, trying to find consolation in your pathetic excuse of a life, the realisation that you are a loser trying your hardest to be noticed is really sad and you are not sure how long you can keep up the fake smile.
Got to ask yourself a question though. Will your posts and website stop you feeling empty and if you dissapeared would anyone notice or care? People like you come and go, and usually they leave without saying goodbye through shame...or perhaps because they are not in a position to reply. Enjoy your life...
Ok got to look at your site, a bit bare bones but it looks ok, I expected to see a lot more ppl joined up tbh, no wonder your on a recruitment drive with 16 members.
However can't knock a person for trying to make a site for those ppl that want to enjoy the company of similar folk.
Haha, I'm not the one feeling victimized on the internet. Stop trying to put on me what you have and clearly continue to endure, feeling of being abused. Losing touch with reality? lol.
To whatever moderator edited my posted, you should as well edit the post I quoted since it also contains the "F OFF" (as you neatly edited my post) part. Do your fully please
You'd like to think so wouldn't you, but I'm afraid that speaks more of you than of me.
However, as a parent, I worry about the society my children are growing up in when behaviour, such as you are advertising here, is considered acceptible. The advancing decline of parental and personal responsibility has a lot to answer for.
In the UK there's currently a big initiative on in schools to combat cyber-bullying and as far as I can see, this is just that. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself for a moment and wonder why you think its okay to prey on people? I'd be really interested to know what you find.
Perhaps you should spend more time parenting and less than crying on internet forums about how someone has hurt your or someone else feelings in a virtual game? What if your child reads this forum and sees how much of a cry baby you are? What kind of a damn irresponsible and weak parent are you! I'd feel ashamed if I was your child. SHAME ON YOU!
Thanks for a bump
You're welcome.
After all, with every post you make in reply, you're making my point stronger.
Now that you're resorting to personal attacks it becomes obvious that you have no logical defence of your position.
As for me being weak and irresponsible? Well, I'm not the one that lacks the strength of character to moderate my own conduct. Am I irresponsible for pointing out that what you're doing is socially unacceptible? I'd say not, quite the opposite in fact, I'm stepping up to face what I perceive as a problem within the community...to do otherwise would be a failiure on my part. As such, I'd be quite happy for my kids to see what I've tried to do here, other than the fact that as a responsible parent I wouldn't expose them to this forum and to people like yourself.
I look forward to your next barrage.
You missed the other part, fyi.
Thanks for another bump!
Why don't you relax, show us where the bad men touched you and tell us why you have an inadequacy complex that compells you to over inflate your own self importance.
Help us to understand your mental issues and perhaps someone might actually care about you enough to want to help.
I'm very relaxed, how about you? Have you seen me get upset after 15 pages of you carebears crying and whining about a website? LOL.
Thanks for the free advertisement! No, seriously, THANKS!
Free advertising is good. Means hackers and virus spreaders get a new target. Hope nothing bad happens to your site, seriously, I mean it, good luck with it...
As for being upset, sure you can write a good "tough talk" reply, but we all know, in the dark moments of the night, when you are alone, feeling sad, slightly miserable, trying to find consolation in your pathetic excuse of a life, the realisation that you are a loser trying your hardest to be noticed is really sad and you are not sure how long you can keep up the fake smile.
Got to ask yourself a question though. Will your posts and website stop you feeling empty and if you dissapeared would anyone notice or care? People like you come and go, and usually they leave without saying goodbye through shame...or perhaps because they are not in a position to reply. Enjoy your life...
My life is wonderful! Thanks for asking, I appreciate your concern. No, I would not care about my website or what's happening on t3h intrawebz if I left.
You know what's really ironic, is that you are really trying to do to me what you claim to despite, that's being griefing and only bullying. You are trying so hard to hurt my feelings by your online words, yet you are forgetting who you are doing that to, haha.
Irony is a bliss.
Thanks for the bumps!
www.TheGriefer.net - PvP/PK MMO Community, Admin/Manager
I'll give u another bump, see if we can't get you a few more ppl to add to the 16 others on your webby.
Btw I think you meant to say despise and not despite.
Thanks! I appreciate that. Yes yes, I meant despise, please forgive me. I might dissapoint you if I say I do not really care at the moment what's the population of my community. We are taking thinks very slow and we advertise when we have time. I'm currently bored as hell at work so I'm here in this thread getting good school girl giggles out of the angry carebears trying to fight the evil griefers.
www.TheGriefer.net - PvP/PK MMO Community, Admin/Manager
Yes I did, you edited while I was posting.
I have no concerns as to the social developments of my kids. We live in a rural area and my kids are typical rural kids, always out playing, building dens and climbing trees. The usual limits of their internet experiences are looking at lolcats and watching movie trailers when the weather is bad.
I do agree on your statement on parental responsibility though but that's not the end of it. We are all responsible for our actions and we affect everyone we come into contact with. And yes, education is vital but it's the education that's lacking. People seem to be terrified of teaching kids about what's right and wrong because many parents throw their hands in the air and cry 'you can't tell my children what to do! It's a free country!' I forget where I saw this quote but I believe that 'freedom without limits is just a word'. By not observing self imposed limits your freedom infringes on the freedom of others. Who has the right to do that? I can't tell you not to be griefer but I can ask you to consider the implications and that is what I'm doing.
There are some interesting points in this thread. I think there is a big difference between what is usually termed as cyber bullying and griefing within a game. Cyber bullying is usually an extension of the more traditional sorts of bullying and uses the internet to humiliate or intimidate someone personally, which is invasive and can be difficult to stop. In the game environment the griefing is anonymous and easy to stop: you just simply log out. However, the two forms of harassment do share some common ground in causing frustration and other negative feelings.
The bottom line to me is the differential between adults and minors. If an adult chooses to play a FFA full loot PvP game like Darkfall, whose game mechanics allow griefing to occur, then they are putting themselves at risk of being griefed. It is much like going to see an 18 movie: don't like the material, don't see it. If I find a game annoying I'll log out and do something else, it is my choice.
What I think is an important distiction is minors. It is sometimes difficult for some young children to separate themselves from the negative feelings generated through the game. Should these games be rated to advise parents about this? Does it come down to parental responsiblity? How would a parent be expected to know what happens in a given game?
I don't particularly agree with the griefers, but as long as they are not cheating then they are just doing what is allowed by the game mechanics and therefore encouraged by the game. Does the responsibility for moderating this behaviour lie with the gamers, the developers or the ratings bodies? I'm not too sure.
Thanks! I appreciate that. Yes yes, I meant despise, please forgive me. I might dissapoint you if I say I do not really care at the moment what's the population of my community. We are taking thinks very slow and we advertise when we have time. I'm currently bored as hell at work so I'm here in this thread getting good school girl giggles out of the angry carebears trying to fight the evil griefers.
Tsk Tsk you certainly wouldn't want to give your employers a reason to sack you now would you, be a good boy and get back to work, come on toodle oo off.
Yes I did, you edited while I was posting.
I have no concerns as to the social developments of my kids. We live in a rural area and my kids are typical rural kids, always out playing, building dens and climbing trees. The usual limits of their internet experiences are looking at lolcats and watching movie trailers when the weather is bad.
I do agree on your statement on parental responsibility though but that's not the end of it. We are all responsible for our actions and we affect everyone we come into contact with. And yes, education is vital but it's the education that's lacking. People seem to be terrified of teaching kids about what's right and wrong because many parents throw their hands in the air and cry 'you can't tell my children what to do! It's a free country!' I forget where I saw this quote but I believe that 'freedom without limits is just a word'. By not observing self imposed limits your freedom infringes on the freedom of others. Who has the right to do that? I can't tell you not to be griefer but I can ask you to consider the implications and that is what I'm doing.
There are some interesting points in this thread. I think there is a big difference between what is usually termed as cyber bullying and griefing within a game. Cyber bullying is usually an extension of the more traditional sorts of bullying and uses the internet to humiliate or intimidate someone personally, which is invasive and can be difficult to stop. In the game environment the griefing is anonymous and easy to stop: you just simply log out. However, the two forms of harassment do share some common ground in causing frustration and other negative feelings.
The bottom line to me is the differential between adults and minors. If an adult chooses to play a FFA full loot PvP game like Darkfall, whose game mechanics allow griefing to occur, then they are putting themselves at risk of being griefed. It is much like going to see an 18 movie: don't like the material, don't see it. If I find a game annoying I'll log out and do something else, it is my choice.
What I think is an important distiction is minors. It is sometimes difficult for some young children to separate themselves from the negative feelings generated through the game. Should these games be rated to advise parents about this? Does it come down to parental responsiblity? How would a parent be expected to know what happens in a given game?
I don't particularly agree with the griefers, but as long as they are not cheating then they are just doing what is allowed by the game mechanics and therefore encouraged by the game. Does the responsibility for moderating this behaviour lie with the gamers, the developers or the ratings bodies? I'm not too sure.
I don't think caving in and logging out is the answer, it's rewarding the griefer by handing them a victory. I'm sure Belphegor will point out that, should he cause that to happen, he's done what he set out to do and now has bragging rights 'I made some guy stop playing...i r teh pr0'. Sometimes you need to make a stand.
The thing with sandbox type games is that its up to the community to police itself and I'm hoping that this will be the case here. Hopefully enough people will be concerned enough to take action and have the testicular fortitude to keep these lower elements in-line, whether its via a few good beatings in game or by discussion on the forums. Seeing as I don't have access to the game at this time (I'm still watching to see how things develop before I commit anything), I have opted for the latter.
To address your final point, I can see no time at which the final choice of how a person conducts themselves doesn't lie with themselves. Call it conscience, sense of decency or whatever, it should always have the final say in my own opinion.
Thanks! I appreciate that. Yes yes, I meant despise, please forgive me. I might dissapoint you if I say I do not really care at the moment what's the population of my community. We are taking thinks very slow and we advertise when we have time. I'm currently bored as hell at work so I'm here in this thread getting good school girl giggles out of the angry carebears trying to fight the evil griefers.
Tsk Tsk you certainly wouldn't want to give your employers a reason to sack you now would you, be a good boy and get back to work, come on toodle oo off.
I honestly have nothing else to do during my night shifts than sit and bullshit on the internet, true story. Either way I'm done with college for a bit and in a near future I'm leaving for Marines, so I don't really care either way
Right now I'm taking life as easy as it gets before I have to endure some serious ass whoopage that's before me.
www.TheGriefer.net - PvP/PK MMO Community, Admin/Manager
Ah the Marines, ex-squaddie myself 11 yrs served with the Royal Signals, loved every single minute of it.
Just do yourself a favour and make it a career and not a 5 minute wonder, alot of the kids we had coming in wanted to leave after a few years, no point teaching them anything at the end of the day.
I do shift work myself, Prison Officer and oddly enough alot are ex-forces aswell, it helps when the riots kick off, though hasn't been any in awhile.
I honestly wish you all the best with this.
Military service will change your perspective on a great many things and you gain a level of maturity denied to many, especially if you see active service (which, right now its a pretty fair bet you will).
I often miss my days in the army (I was an auto-electrician in the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, British Army for a lot of years).
SCALEYBACK!!!
My last posting was with 24 Airmobile Brigade HQ and Signals at Colchester. I live in Catterick now, near where the Scorpion nightclub used to be....I'm sure you knew it well hehe
I honestly wish you all the best with this.
Military service will change your perspective on a great many things and you gain a level of maturity denied to many, especially if you see active service (which, right now its a pretty fair bet you will).
I often miss my days in the army (I was an auto-electrician in the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, British Army for a lot of years).
Aye saw active service in the first Gulf war and out in Bosnia, though Bosnia was not nice, as a family man saw some things out there I wish I had'nt.
SCALEYBACK!!!
My last posting was with 24 Airmobile Brigade HQ and Signals at Colchester. I live in Catterick now, near where the Scorpion nightclub used to be....I'm sure you knew it well hehe
OMG the Scorpion, dam if you wanted a fight you went to that place, I was up there for training in 1986, boy soldier, loved it though I was a winter troop and it was FUCKING cold, running up and down Gandalf, haha oh the memories.
The old 264 SAS boys used to sometimes be the doormen there aswell. PT with the SAS guys was always fun, still remember the night they raided our room, we where middle floor and they where on the top, the abseiled in all in their anti-terrorist gear, talk about trying to put the frighteners on us.
I'm going to US Marines, but I'm sure it's not much different. I'll be doing Combat Support which here is Tanks, Artillery or Air Support. I'm hoping to get into Tanks, but that's not much choice.
www.TheGriefer.net - PvP/PK MMO Community, Admin/Manager
Indeed, how an individual reacts to a given situation in game depends very much on themselves. The example I gave earlier was an attempt to highlight how easy it is to remove yourself from a game world by logging off. I would choose to do this if I would have a better time doing something else. As you point out though, I could rise to the challenge of the griefers and organise a fightback. I think the important point is I would only do this if I was enjoying myself and relished the fight. It is a recreational game and if I am not having fun it is time to find another game or hobby.
I agree that the ultimate responsibility for a person's conduct lies with themselves. However, society has a plethora of organisations and laws to aid, advise and punish people for their conduct. A game world does not have these mechanisms off the bat. You point out that the players could police the griefers and that is a very interesting aspect of sandbox play. However as long as what the griefers are doing is within the game mechanics (no cheating) and not against the terms of use of the game, do you not agree that what they are doing is a legitimate play style? In fact, don't they make sandbox play that much more exciting? Everyone needs a bad guy in a game right? I think your answer hints at the fact you would enjoy making a stand against these players in game and they may actually be making the game more exciting for many.
I think my previous point about minors is important though, it is crucial to be able to draw a distinction between the game world and the real world. All the griefers can ultimately do is waste your time and it is possible to stop that whenever you wish.
Interesting discussion, thanks.
TANK!!!! omg I hope you love hard work then, I was part of the 3rd Armoured Division and we had tracked vehicles for our comms, you are constantly working on the bastards and they always have to be spotless for the brass when they walk around, you'll soon learn to hate all tracked vehicles I can assure you, they seem to attract dirt even when parked in the Garages.
Then when you go on exercise if your not obviously out on a tour you will find that your either on the move every 4 hrs or 8hrs and believe you me it's hard work setting up and dismantling all the time, if you've got no muscles now you'll have plenty after a few months with tracked vehicles.
Oh and you'll love the first time you throw a track hahahahahahahaha.
All in all it's bloody hard-work on any tracked vehicle, oh and make sure you never ever ever sleep near the tank or on it, ppl have usually been squashed or died from carbon monoxide poisoning from the exhausts, seen it happen on exercise twice and in Bosnia.
Who else here worries about letting a guy like this lose with a gun??? Let alone a tank.