As already stated in Internal Affairs Dev blog, there are more devs playing in Goonswarm then in any other alliance.
this mean that each DEv in goons spawn t2 BPO ?
If CCP staff is widely corrupted like post was implying, then yes.
If not, the only valid conclusion is that all cheating devs are in BoB and BoB only and that is not only ridiculous but also very unlikely.
wildly corrupted? you mean like the below quoted? perish the thought!
Originally Posted by The Mittani View Post
Incidentally, the Nebulai (leader of Aurora, the volunteer roleplaying organization which could and did spawn items for 'events') mentioned in that Count Bolton post was exposed by Kugutsumen to be 'M Hoshi', a director of Evolution, the primary BoB corp.
~heh~
edit: oh wait... that's not ccp staff, that's just volunteers... gee, i wonder why THAT program got cut out???
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Actually, this sort of thing isn't uncommon in the industry - the "giant guild gets benefits" thing...
I mean, look at the stuff "Fires of Heaven" or "The Syndicate" have done/gotten away with over the years... One of FoH's members now runs WoW and the guy who runs SoE was supposedly a member once too - and Syndicate folks show up in suits at MMO developers to offer their game-guide services in exchange for early access...
BoB was a big fish in a pretty small pond and generated a lot of press for EvE over the years. So, yeah, CCP probably bent the rules a bit for them.
Fortunately none of it impacts me very much so I can be objective. I never leave high-sec and sell weapons to anyone with the ISK regardless of alliance affiliation.
Simply put..if you dont trust the devs or like how they handled something, then leave the game cause they are not listening to your whining...but the sound of thousands of closing wallets will get their attention. If you continue playing, enjoy yourself and stop the whining. Play or move on...its your choice
we dont have a choice where to go if eve fails ( is more like play eve or not play a mmo game (plz dont come here whit wow war aoc crap)
DFo have potential but need tons of work :meh:
oh i personally hate WoW, WAR and AoC. and yes there is a sad lack of sci-fi based games but hyou always have a choice to play and pay those you feel are corrupt or leave to explore other things out there.
There used to be an alliance named Cult of War (CoW) who were in a similar situation. After petition tag with the GMs they were finally able to have their name back.
However, they had to pay the 1 billion alliance fee and they lost sov which they had with their placeholder name. BoB suffered neither and their issue was more quickly handled.
That's why players are mad. The rules should apply to everyone equally.
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Originally posted by Fade Sorry if this was already posted.
There used to be an alliance named Cult of War (CoW) who were in a similar situation. After petition tag with the GMs they were finally able to have their name back. However, they had to pay the 1 billion alliance fee and they lost sov which they had with their placeholder name. BoB suffered neither and their issue was more quickly handled. That's why players are mad. The rules should apply to everyone equally.
Are you sure the case is the same? I still can't see what BoB is supposed to pay 1 bill for...
CoW disbanded and formed a new alliance, therefore they paid 1bn and lost sov.
Edit: Oh god, "payed" wth kind of a word is that?
Also:
BoB should pay as well - unless of course it was because of 'eve lore' and all. But then that should have been put out somewhere, prior to the name change.
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There used to be an alliance named Cult of War (CoW) who were in a similar situation. After petition tag with the GMs they were finally able to have their name back.
However, they had to pay the 1 billion alliance fee and they lost sov which they had with their placeholder name. BoB suffered neither and their issue was more quickly handled.
That's why players are mad. The rules should apply to everyone equally.
Are you sure the case is the same?
I still can't see what BoB is supposed to pay 1 bill for...
I said similar not the same. CoW directors screwed up and the alliance bill was missed. BoB directors screwed up and allowed a security gap. The 1 billion is for forming an alliance.
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Originally posted by kattehus CoW disbanded and formed a new alliance, therefore they payed 1bn and lost sov.
Yeah, something that BoB haven't done, they moved to Kenzoku, seems fine to me.
They could not re-create BoB and since petition was under investigation. Seems completely logical that they focused on actual issue - sovereignty. Better to have space than name at that time, I guess but that's just me
Could CoW do the same and did they do it? So far it seems that BoB just solved the situation better.
I still cant see whats wrong myself seems to me just a lot of trolls fapping away over nothing.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
The wrong thing is that they all joined KenZoku to avoid losing sov, and now CCP changed their names, which is "breaking the rules".
As everyone has stated; normally, you have to disband the alliance - thus losing sov - to create a new alliance - thus paying 1bn - to change your alliance name.
BoB was disbanded, they(/former bobbits) joined KenZoku to avoid losing sov. Now, KenZoku is renamed Band of Brothers Reloaded - they didn't disband(/lose sov) and create a new alliance(/pay 1bn) to get this name.
People are fussing over this, because the rules state that name changes are not allowed, unless the name is offensive, etc.
As far as I know. :P
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We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information we’d collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.
We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.
Wow Molly goona be pissed, if this stands then you have to give CCP credit for listening to the players. I suspect that there will be more to this to come. My brother inlaw is telling me that B.O.B. is run by 3 guys who are over the road truckers, who's CB handles are Lavender Larry, Bendover Bob, and the other guy is Golden Ass. I told him he was full of crap and i did not believe it. Anyone else heard this?
" Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Would Threaten It " MAGA
Originally posted by kattehus you have to disband the alliance - thus losing sov - to create a new alliance - thus paying 1bn - to change your alliance name.
Simply - no. You don't have to, it is an option.
In fact, you should not disband the alliance in principle. Regarding possible petition evaluation and the consequencies, it is much easier to change the alliance name than sorting out the mess with sov reimburstement.
The only fuss about here is BoB having common sense and dealing with the issue appropriately as the latest news showed clearly.
shouldnt have changed their minds, they should have been certain about this one way or the other from the getgo. apparently 2 months isnt long enough to make a decision that they want to stick to.
The MMO community has turned into a extreme bunch of whiners and cry babies.
I bet even after CCP reverses the changes there will be something about it people will still carry on about. If CCP was helping BoB unfairly they would NOT have alloud BOB to be disbanded in the first place. Nothing in a name change changes any mechanics in favor of anyone even if they left the change.
Do you people realize how much isk, and assets BOB lost with this act of betrayal from one of it's former members when he disbanded the alliance?
If anything CCP needs to fix the rules that allows 1 person to disband a alliance that has been around as long, and are as big as BOB. This mechanic needs to change so it takes more then 1 person to do that much damage to thousands of people in a alliance.
you have to disband the alliance - thus losing sov - to create a new alliance - thus paying 1bn - to change your alliance name.
Simply - no. You don't have to, it is an option.
In fact, you should not disband the alliance in principle. Regarding possible petition evaluation and the consequencies, it is much easier to change the alliance name than sorting out the mess with sov reimburstement.
The only fuss about here is BoB having common sense and dealing with the issue appropriately as the latest news showed clearly.
b.o.b was disbanded.
b.o.b. was taken by other people.
instead of forming a completely new alliance, tafkabob all joined one of their "holding" alliances, one that was in existence before b.o.b. disbanded.
this alliance, it seems, was not a NEW alliance, it was an alliance in which b.o.b. member had chosen the alliance name long ago... they did not choose "b.o.b. reloaded".
they petitioned to have their name changed... why? because it wasn't b.o.b.
i will type in all caps, in order to emphasize something so blariingly obvious that only a liar or someone that has no clue about this game would understand:
NO OTHER ALLIANCE IN THE HISTORY OF NEW EDEN
NONE, NOT ONE, NOT A MAYBE WE'LL DO IT, NADA, NUFFIN, ZILCH, ZERO
NOTHING <<< ARE YOU UNDESTANDING HOW MANY YET? NONE
HAVE BEEN ALLOWED EVER TO GO "OOPSIES, WE DIDN'T WANT THAT ALLIANCE NAME, BUT WE WANT TO KEEP OUR SOV LEVEL AND GET A NEW NAME"
EVERY SINGLE ALLIANCE HAS BEEN TOLD TO EITHER DEAL WITH THE CRAPPY NAME AND KEEP YOUR SOV
ORRRRRRRR
DISBAND AND REFORM UN DER THE NEW NAME.
kenny wasn't created the night/next day of b.o.b. being disbanded, it had already been around.
the example you gave of an alliance's name changing ... AIDS was changed because a whiny bobbit petitioned the name cuz it offended him.
kenny's name was changed because more whiny bobits petitioned and wanted their bobbit name.
they lost. pure and simple
anyone who can't be bothered to EVER check and see "oh look this guy hasn't logged in for months", based upon everything that has happened previously in eve, when people with roles were allowed to keep them for ever --- those people, by the past years of the way eve is played, they DESERVE what happens to them.
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could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
if "dining in nol" means nothing to you, for good or bad; then, you have no idea what is going on, or what everyone is up in arms about.
that's fine. not everyone keeps up (or even tries) to keep up with the public political machinations between major power blocks in eve.
to call people 'trolls', who actually know what they're talking about... well, that just shows complete ignorance of the game, and/or the inability to even read posts in the same thread where the word "troll" is being used.
and they say all the stupid people play and post on wow...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information we’d collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples. We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.
JUSTICE WAS DONE. WHOOOOO
I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.
I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.
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i really don't care eithe...BoB, Kenzoku, whatever they are called....they are the same in space...a target
If CCP staff is widely corrupted like post was implying, then yes.
If not, the only valid conclusion is that all cheating devs are in BoB and BoB only and that is not only ridiculous but also very unlikely.
or that you had one rogue ahole dev in BoB who tried to cheat for his benefit....
If CCP staff is widely corrupted like post was implying, then yes.
If not, the only valid conclusion is that all cheating devs are in BoB and BoB only and that is not only ridiculous but also very unlikely.
wildly corrupted? you mean like the below quoted? perish the thought!
Originally Posted by The Mittani View Post
Incidentally, the Nebulai (leader of Aurora, the volunteer roleplaying organization which could and did spawn items for 'events') mentioned in that Count Bolton post was exposed by Kugutsumen to be 'M Hoshi', a director of Evolution, the primary BoB corp.
~heh~
edit: oh wait... that's not ccp staff, that's just volunteers... gee, i wonder why THAT program got cut out???
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
BoB saves a billion ISK and keeps sov?
Tell ya what, CCP: forget the sov and just send me a free billion and we'll call it good, k?
Actually, this sort of thing isn't uncommon in the industry - the "giant guild gets benefits" thing...
I mean, look at the stuff "Fires of Heaven" or "The Syndicate" have done/gotten away with over the years... One of FoH's members now runs WoW and the guy who runs SoE was supposedly a member once too - and Syndicate folks show up in suits at MMO developers to offer their game-guide services in exchange for early access...
BoB was a big fish in a pretty small pond and generated a lot of press for EvE over the years. So, yeah, CCP probably bent the rules a bit for them.
Fortunately none of it impacts me very much so I can be objective. I never leave high-sec and sell weapons to anyone with the ISK regardless of alliance affiliation.
we dont have a choice where to go if eve fails
( is more like play eve or not play a mmo game (plz dont come here whit wow war aoc crap)
DFo have potential but need tons of work :meh:
oh i personally hate WoW, WAR and AoC. and yes there is a sad lack of sci-fi based games but hyou always have a choice to play and pay those you feel are corrupt or leave to explore other things out there.
Sorry if this was already posted.
There used to be an alliance named Cult of War (CoW) who were in a similar situation. After petition tag with the GMs they were finally able to have their name back.
However, they had to pay the 1 billion alliance fee and they lost sov which they had with their placeholder name. BoB suffered neither and their issue was more quickly handled.
That's why players are mad. The rules should apply to everyone equally.
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Are you sure the case is the same?
I still can't see what BoB is supposed to pay 1 bill for...
CoW disbanded and formed a new alliance, therefore they paid 1bn and lost sov.
Edit: Oh god, "payed" wth kind of a word is that?
Also:
BoB should pay as well - unless of course it was because of 'eve lore' and all. But then that should have been put out somewhere, prior to the name change.
Follow my tweet (:
Are you sure the case is the same?
I still can't see what BoB is supposed to pay 1 bill for...
I said similar not the same. CoW directors screwed up and the alliance bill was missed. BoB directors screwed up and allowed a security gap. The 1 billion is for forming an alliance.
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Yeah, something that BoB haven't done, they moved to Kenzoku, seems fine to me.
They could not re-create BoB and since petition was under investigation. Seems completely logical that they focused on actual issue - sovereignty. Better to have space than name at that time, I guess but that's just me
Could CoW do the same and did they do it? So far it seems that BoB just solved the situation better.
I still cant see whats wrong myself seems to me just a lot of trolls fapping away over nothing.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
The wrong thing is that they all joined KenZoku to avoid losing sov, and now CCP changed their names, which is "breaking the rules".
As everyone has stated; normally, you have to disband the alliance - thus losing sov - to create a new alliance - thus paying 1bn - to change your alliance name.
BoB was disbanded, they(/former bobbits) joined KenZoku to avoid losing sov. Now, KenZoku is renamed Band of Brothers Reloaded - they didn't disband(/lose sov) and create a new alliance(/pay 1bn) to get this name.
People are fussing over this, because the rules state that name changes are not allowed, unless the name is offensive, etc.
As far as I know. :P
Follow my tweet (:
Seems like trolls were right after all :P
CCP just reversed the name-change.
www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp
We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information we’d collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.
We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.
Wow Molly goona be pissed, if this stands then you have to give CCP credit for listening to the players. I suspect that there will be more to this to come. My brother inlaw is telling me that B.O.B. is run by 3 guys who are over the road truckers, who's CB handles are Lavender Larry, Bendover Bob, and the other guy is Golden Ass. I told him he was full of crap and i did not believe it. Anyone else heard this?
MAGA
Simply - no. You don't have to, it is an option.
In fact, you should not disband the alliance in principle. Regarding possible petition evaluation and the consequencies, it is much easier to change the alliance name than sorting out the mess with sov reimburstement.
The only fuss about here is BoB having common sense and dealing with the issue appropriately as the latest news showed clearly.
shouldnt have changed their minds, they should have been certain about this one way or the other from the getgo. apparently 2 months isnt long enough to make a decision that they want to stick to.
The MMO community has turned into a extreme bunch of whiners and cry babies.
I bet even after CCP reverses the changes there will be something about it people will still carry on about. If CCP was helping BoB unfairly they would NOT have alloud BOB to be disbanded in the first place. Nothing in a name change changes any mechanics in favor of anyone even if they left the change.
Do you people realize how much isk, and assets BOB lost with this act of betrayal from one of it's former members when he disbanded the alliance?
If anything CCP needs to fix the rules that allows 1 person to disband a alliance that has been around as long, and are as big as BOB. This mechanic needs to change so it takes more then 1 person to do that much damage to thousands of people in a alliance.
SHOHADAKU
Simply - no. You don't have to, it is an option.
In fact, you should not disband the alliance in principle. Regarding possible petition evaluation and the consequencies, it is much easier to change the alliance name than sorting out the mess with sov reimburstement.
The only fuss about here is BoB having common sense and dealing with the issue appropriately as the latest news showed clearly.
b.o.b was disbanded.
b.o.b. was taken by other people.
instead of forming a completely new alliance, tafkabob all joined one of their "holding" alliances, one that was in existence before b.o.b. disbanded.
this alliance, it seems, was not a NEW alliance, it was an alliance in which b.o.b. member had chosen the alliance name long ago... they did not choose "b.o.b. reloaded".
they petitioned to have their name changed... why? because it wasn't b.o.b.
i will type in all caps, in order to emphasize something so blariingly obvious that only a liar or someone that has no clue about this game would understand:
NO OTHER ALLIANCE IN THE HISTORY OF NEW EDEN
NONE, NOT ONE, NOT A MAYBE WE'LL DO IT, NADA, NUFFIN, ZILCH, ZERO
NOTHING <<< ARE YOU UNDESTANDING HOW MANY YET? NONE
HAVE BEEN ALLOWED EVER TO GO "OOPSIES, WE DIDN'T WANT THAT ALLIANCE NAME, BUT WE WANT TO KEEP OUR SOV LEVEL AND GET A NEW NAME"
EVERY SINGLE ALLIANCE HAS BEEN TOLD TO EITHER DEAL WITH THE CRAPPY NAME AND KEEP YOUR SOV
ORRRRRRRR
DISBAND AND REFORM UN DER THE NEW NAME.
kenny wasn't created the night/next day of b.o.b. being disbanded, it had already been around.
the example you gave of an alliance's name changing ... AIDS was changed because a whiny bobbit petitioned the name cuz it offended him.
kenny's name was changed because more whiny bobits petitioned and wanted their bobbit name.
they lost. pure and simple
anyone who can't be bothered to EVER check and see "oh look this guy hasn't logged in for months", based upon everything that has happened previously in eve, when people with roles were allowed to keep them for ever --- those people, by the past years of the way eve is played, they DESERVE what happens to them.
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could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Oh crap CCP reversed the names friends telling me. bob is truly permadead lol
if "dining in nol" means nothing to you, for good or bad; then, you have no idea what is going on, or what everyone is up in arms about.
that's fine. not everyone keeps up (or even tries) to keep up with the public political machinations between major power blocks in eve.
to call people 'trolls', who actually know what they're talking about... well, that just shows complete ignorance of the game, and/or the inability to even read posts in the same thread where the word "troll" is being used.
and they say all the stupid people play and post on wow...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Accomplishments of the short-lived BoBR: losing 7 capitals and getting DD'd.
Waiting for Fallen Earth, World of Darkness, Old Republic, FFXIV
JUSTICE WAS DONE. WHOOOOO
I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.
I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.I can call them Kenny again.
calling them beaver was fun though. Won't happen again though now that Goons make a corp named Band of Brothers Reloaded (BOBR)
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OH Snap this keeps getting better.
You got to give Goons credit they got 2 of the former BOB names now.