As the title says I am in desperate need of a new MMO to play either Free to play or Pay to Play, I have played most if not all Pay to Play MMORPG's and most if not all Free to Play 3D MMORPG's. Before anyone starts on the rant I should give 2D and 2.5D MMORPG's let me say that I wont play ANY MMO that is 2D cause it reminds me of the days of side scrolling games for consoles, and the 2.5D reminds me of Diablo 1 and 2. If I wanted to play a 2D game I will download a NES SNES GameBoy or Sega Genesis Emulator and some ROM's to play with. If I wanted to play a game with 2.5D graphics Ill re-install Diablo 2 and the Diablo 2 Expansion Pack Lord of Destruction. On both of my computers I have the top of the line graphics cards, im not going to waist them by playing free to play 2.5D MMO's. Its a waist of system resources and beneath me to even think about playing.
The Computer Spec's for both my computers:
1)Intel Core 2 Duo 2.2ghz CPU
3Gbs Kingston DDR2 333 PC2 - 5300 RAM
1Gbs Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT
250Gbs Western Digital Hard Drive
16x16 DVD Burner
Windows Vista Home Premium(Build 6001: Service Pack 1)
2) AMD Phenom X3 2.1ghz Triple-Core
4Gbs DDR2 1066 Kingston RAM
1Gbs Asus Nvidia Geforce 9400 GT
500Gbs Western Digital Hard Drive
2 22x DVD Burners(With LightScribe)
Windows XP Home Service Pack 3
That's where you said they were the best.
The resolution DOES affect how the game runs. Try running WoW at 800x600, check the FPS. Now run it at the highest resolution, check the FPS. I guarantee a 15 FPS difference, at least.
As for the "I haven't played Final Fantasy 9-13 because I can't afford a PS3", 9-12 are on the PS2 and 13 isn't even out in America yet.
You say have a short attention span? Why the hell are trying to play in a genre of games that takes at least 70 hours of playtime to achieve much of anything?
Now, as for your game, now that you actually told us something, I think Lord of the Rings Online would suit you nicely. It's PvE oriented, has a very good story that is well presented, cutscenes included, it has a lot of solo content with a great amount of group stuff too. Both of your rigs would struggle with the graphics if you were to set it on higher settings, but it runs fine on pretty much any computer with the options set further down.
Umm where is the word "best" at I have read and re-read the post and unless my eye sight is failing me the word "best" is no where to be found. The last Console system I played was Sega DreamCast, and imo that was 10x better than the PS2 and the Xbox. Yes there was loading screens but if it werent for the Dreamcast system how much longer do you think it would of taken Nintendo, Sony, or Micro$haft to consider allowing their consoles to go online to play? If it wasnt for Sega then most of the features you love on your PS2, PS3, Nintendo Wii, Xbox, and Xbox 360 would have probably taken alot longer to get out on the market.
As for LotRO I might give it a shot I already tried Asheron's Call(played it for 4 and a half years), and I tried D&D Online(though I didnt like the campeign module they chose to work with). If I can play WoW on max graphics, and play EQ2 on max Graphics why would my rigs struggle on LotRO? Also why do you have to repeatedly beat the dead horse(the dead horse being the constant rag on my choice of vid cards), its dead get over it. we have moved on past that point. Are you that in love with your vid card that the only thing you can think of how uber it is? We get the point, the matter has dropped if you keep on pestering me about this not only will I block you but I will report you.
Few things, I never said that the PS2 was better than anything else, I just said you can play FF 9-12 on it, no PS3 needed. Nor did I say anything about video card, sure I spent a pretty penny on it, but the only mention I made of it was in my first reply, and I have the specs in my sig.
You didn't say "Best" you chose "Top of the line cards".
And I had the same issue with DDO, would have much preferred Forgotten Realms. And yes, LOTRO makes use of advanced DX10 lighting and bump mapping, both of your rigs would have trouble with it on the higher up settings.
____________________________ Telthalion Rohircil - Guardian - Elemandir - Lord of The Rings Online --- == RIP == Torey - Commando - Orion - Tabula Rasa == RIP == --- Jordaniel Torey - Navy Megathron, Active Armor Tank - Tranquility - EVE Online --- Torey Scott - Rifleman - Fallen Earth ____________________________
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
1. Lord of the Rings online - As it suits about 90% of your style down to the letter.
2. Dungeon and Dragons : Stormreach - A very nice game, very story driven, user set difficulty.
Also the other guy was right, LotRO is going to be taxing on your machine.
LotRO is about 3 times more graphically intense than WoW and EQ2.
It was the first game to fully utilize DX10 and when you max out LotRO you will know why we are telling you this. This game chews up most mid class rigs and spits them out. I use to run it with 2 7600GT's in SLi mode, 4 gigs of DDR3 800 ram and a 6000+ AMD back in the day and it ran this game very poorly.
Even when I ran it with 2 8800GT's in SLi mode it still had some slow down in DX10. I tried it with the new Nvidia 200 series and it performs top notch, but those are high end cards and should be able to max out LotRO.
Not saying you can't try. It would be worth a shot. It does fit your criteria.
According to what you have said, I would suggest 1. Lord of the Rings online - As it suits about 90% of your style down to the letter. 2. Dungeon and Dragons : Stormreach - A very nice game, very story driven, user set difficulty. Also the other guy was right, LotRO is going to be taxing on your machine. LotRO is about 3 times more graphically intense than WoW and EQ2. It was the first game to fully utilize DX10 and when you max out LotRO you will know why we are telling you this. This game chews up most mid class rigs and spits them out. I use to run it with 2 7600GT's in SLi mode, 4 gigs of DDR3 800 ram and a 6000+ AMD back in the day and it ran this game very poorly. Even when I ran it with 2 8800GT's in SLi mode it still had some slow down in DX10. I tried it with the new Nvidia 200 series and it performs top notch, but those are high end cards and should be able to max out LotRO. Not saying you can't try. It would be worth a shot. It does fit your criteria.
I can max it out on my rig, 60 FPS with VSync on, 150FPS with VSync off. Although the local internet cafe runs LOTRO at med-lowish settings with 7600GT cards. So, it's definitely possible, but it will be taxing.
____________________________ Telthalion Rohircil - Guardian - Elemandir - Lord of The Rings Online --- == RIP == Torey - Commando - Orion - Tabula Rasa == RIP == --- Jordaniel Torey - Navy Megathron, Active Armor Tank - Tranquility - EVE Online --- Torey Scott - Rifleman - Fallen Earth ____________________________
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
but your cards are going to stop you from running eye candy
if you're seious about MMO's (enough to try every single one out there...w tf how much time to you have on your hands?) then you would know that the newer titles would wipe the floor with your cards.
Before you become an angry person, this post has a point.
If you want a better MMO experience, which is more immersive, upgrade your graphics cards, you will instantly see lower loading times, better detail, smooth fps, higher res & overall prettyness.
Which you would definately not achieve in the new titles out there.
I would suspect that you have not been taken in by any new games because the graphics are not immersive enough for you.
As the title says I am in desperate need of a new MMO to play either Free to play or Pay to Play, I have played most if not all Pay to Play MMORPG's and most if not all Free to Play 3D MMORPG's. Before anyone starts on the rant I should give 2D and 2.5D MMORPG's let me say that I wont play ANY MMO that is 2D cause it reminds me of the days of side scrolling games for consoles, and the 2.5D reminds me of Diablo 1 and 2. If I wanted to play a 2D game I will download a NES SNES GameBoy or Sega Genesis Emulator and some ROM's to play with. If I wanted to play a game with 2.5D graphics Ill re-install Diablo 2 and the Diablo 2 Expansion Pack Lord of Destruction. On both of my computers I have the top of the line graphics cards, im not going to waist them by playing free to play 2.5D MMO's. Its a waist of system resources and beneath me to even think about playing.
The Computer Spec's for both my computers:
1)Intel Core 2 Duo 2.2ghz CPU
3Gbs Kingston DDR2 333 PC2 - 5300 RAM
1Gbs Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT
250Gbs Western Digital Hard Drive
16x16 DVD Burner
Windows Vista Home Premium(Build 6001: Service Pack 1)
2) AMD Phenom X3 2.1ghz Triple-Core
4Gbs DDR2 1066 Kingston RAM
1Gbs Asus Nvidia Geforce 9400 GT
500Gbs Western Digital Hard Drive
2 22x DVD Burners(With LightScribe)
Windows XP Home Service Pack 3
That's where you said they were the best.
The resolution DOES affect how the game runs. Try running WoW at 800x600, check the FPS. Now run it at the highest resolution, check the FPS. I guarantee a 15 FPS difference, at least.
As for the "I haven't played Final Fantasy 9-13 because I can't afford a PS3", 9-12 are on the PS2 and 13 isn't even out in America yet.
You say have a short attention span? Why the hell are trying to play in a genre of games that takes at least 70 hours of playtime to achieve much of anything?
Now, as for your game, now that you actually told us something, I think Lord of the Rings Online would suit you nicely. It's PvE oriented, has a very good story that is well presented, cutscenes included, it has a lot of solo content with a great amount of group stuff too. Both of your rigs would struggle with the graphics if you were to set it on higher settings, but it runs fine on pretty much any computer with the options set further down.
Umm where is the word "best" at I have read and re-read the post and unless my eye sight is failing me the word "best" is no where to be found. The last Console system I played was Sega DreamCast, and imo that was 10x better than the PS2 and the Xbox. Yes there was loading screens but if it werent for the Dreamcast system how much longer do you think it would of taken Nintendo, Sony, or Micro$haft to consider allowing their consoles to go online to play? If it wasnt for Sega then most of the features you love on your PS2, PS3, Nintendo Wii, Xbox, and Xbox 360 would have probably taken alot longer to get out on the market.
As for LotRO I might give it a shot I already tried Asheron's Call(played it for 4 and a half years), and I tried D&D Online(though I didnt like the campeign module they chose to work with). If I can play WoW on max graphics, and play EQ2 on max Graphics why would my rigs struggle on LotRO? Also why do you have to repeatedly beat the dead horse(the dead horse being the constant rag on my choice of vid cards), its dead get over it. we have moved on past that point. Are you that in love with your vid card that the only thing you can think of how uber it is? We get the point, the matter has dropped if you keep on pestering me about this not only will I block you but I will report you.
Few things, I never said that the PS2 was better than anything else, I just said you can play FF 9-12 on it, no PS3 needed. Nor did I say anything about video card, sure I spent a pretty penny on it, but the only mention I made of it was in my first reply, and I have the specs in my sig.
You didn't say "Best" you chose "Top of the line cards".
And I had the same issue with DDO, would have much preferred Forgotten Realms. And yes, LOTRO makes use of advanced DX10 lighting and bump mapping, both of your rigs would have trouble with it on the higher up settings.
I am currently running Assasins Creed(granted I only played 4-5 hours of it because it was boring but I do have it and it ran very smoothly) which is a DX10 game and im having no problems. So what makes you think Ill have problems with LotRO? There is a difference in reading the facts of a vid card and actually seeing it in a real life computer. ITs like trying to describe a horse when you only have the tail to work with. While I am actually working with the 8600 GT and the 9400 GT I know what it can and cannot do, you on the other hand only what the documentaion to work with. I am sick and tired of all you people who are just looking at the vid card series and guessing what it can and cannot do, none of you have ran the cards with my configuration. The only thing your doing is saying "Well sence I can run the best graphics on the best games theres no why you can do the same". Ill say this 1 more time, The games you think are the best are not the same games that I think are the best. I will not play an RTS game, nor will I play a FPS game. It isnt the graphics that drives me away but the style of game play. RTS is to boring why should i sit and wait for my city to get yp the proper research trees to attack the opposistion? FPS games(in offline mode) in my opinion are nothing but FFA games with no storyline and no real challenge. Also I never said you said PS2 was the best. I stated that the last console I owned was the Dreamcast which imo is better than the PS2 and the Xbox. Learn to read before you comment. the reason Im playing MMO's is because they offer me a challenge that offline games do not. In offline games there is a linear path that on must follow to complete the main quest of the game No matter what offline game dev's say there will always be a linear path to follow in all offline games. In online games I can choose to further the story line of the game or ignore it altogether.
Jinaex: As I have stated I am on a tight budget I dont have the luxury to go out and buy a $220 vid card. I have much more important things to do with my money. And no my vid cards are not holding me back. I do not feal the need to max out the graphics in every game that I play because i can run them just fine on balanced graphics. That is the point the rest are failing to understand. Why should I run on max graphics when I can play the same games that they can on with balanced or lower? is there some uber game bonus for running on max graphics that only they know about? If so someone please tell me what this goodie is.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
Originally posted by akiira69 I am currently running Assasins Creed(granted I only played 4-5 hours of it because it was boring but I do have it and it ran very smoothly) which is a DX10 game and im having no problems. So what makes you think Ill have problems with LotRO? There is a difference in reading the facts of a vid card and actually seeing it in a real life computer. ITs like trying to describe a horse when you only have the tail to work with. While I am actually working with the 8600 GT and the 9400 GT I know what it can and cannot do, you on the other hand only what the documentaion to work with. I am sick and tired of all you people who are just looking at the vid card series and guessing what it can and cannot do, none of you have ran the cards with my configuration. The only thing your doing is saying "Well sence I can run the best graphics on the best games theres no why you can do the same". Ill say this 1 more time, The games you think are the best are not the same games that I think are the best. I will not play an RTS game, nor will I play a FPS game. It isnt the graphics that drives me away but the style of game play. RTS is to boring why should i sit and wait for my city to get yp the proper research trees to attack the opposistion? FPS games(in offline mode) in my opinion are nothing but FFA games with no storyline and no real challenge. Also I never said you said PS2 was the best. I stated that the last console I owned was the Dreamcast which imo is better than the PS2 and the Xbox. Learn to read before you comment. the reason Im playing MMO's is because they offer me a challenge that offline games do not. In offline games there is a linear path that on must follow to complete the main quest of the game No matter what offline game dev's say there will always be a linear path to follow in all offline games. In online games I can choose to further the story line of the game or ignore it altogether. Jinaex: As I have stated I am on a tight budget I dont have the luxury to go out and buy a $220 vid card. I have much more important things to do with my money. And no my vid cards are not holding me back. I do not feal the need to max out the graphics in every game that I play because i can run them just fine on balanced graphics. That is the point the rest are failing to understand. Why should I run on max graphics when I can play the same games that they can on with balanced or lower? is there some uber game bonus for running on max graphics that only they know about? If so someone please tell me what this goodie is.
The only reason ANYONE is talking about maxing out graphics in any games is because of your "top of the line" bs from the first post, and other comments since then like the one about your card's performance being even with high end cards. You can play ANY game out right now with your computers. Not one of them will crash and die due to lack of hardware power. Notice not one of us have said it would.
If you're looking to get a better graphics performance in games, not one of us has suggested buying a $220 card. You don't NEED a $220 card for upper end graphics. You NEED a $80-$120 card if you want to get into the range of "wow that looks great" in the more graphically intense games. Side by side, your 8600 or 9400 will look terrible compared to a rig with a 9800 on it playing Age of Conan. Do you NEED a 9800 to play AoC? No. Does it take $220 to make AoC look good? No. It takes $80-$120.
Also, you know what? MMORPGs are far from the most challenging games. They're certainly the most time consuming games. But challenging? This genre is FAR from challenging. MMORPGs are not known for their challenge but rather their MMO aspect along side the typical RPG elements (character development, storylines, etc).
Do you have $70 you can spend on gaming? If so, buy a refurbished PS2 http://www.gamestop.com/Browse/Search.aspx?N=139+196 . If not, save up the money you're going to spend monthly on an MMO and you now have enough.
Why would you want a ps2? Because the type of games you're looking for are there. You want a challenging story driven game? Get God of War. You want a challenging stealth based story driven game? Metal Gear Solid series. Want a light hearted story driven game? Kingdom Hearts. Don't forget about FFX, FFX2, FFXII, all quality games waiting for you. PS2 is a gold mine of amazing games and they're all dirt cheap. For $50, I got God of War 1, God of War 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, Devil May Cry 1-3 the other day at Gamestop. For someone on a budget looking for challenging, story driven games, you're looking in the wrong place.
Originally posted by akiira69 I am currently running Assasins Creed(granted I only played 4-5 hours of it because it was boring but I do have it and it ran very smoothly) which is a DX10 game and im having no problems. So what makes you think Ill have problems with LotRO? There is a difference in reading the facts of a vid card and actually seeing it in a real life computer. ITs like trying to describe a horse when you only have the tail to work with. While I am actually working with the 8600 GT and the 9400 GT I know what it can and cannot do, you on the other hand only what the documentaion to work with. I am sick and tired of all you people who are just looking at the vid card series and guessing what it can and cannot do, none of you have ran the cards with my configuration. The only thing your doing is saying "Well sence I can run the best graphics on the best games theres no why you can do the same". Ill say this 1 more time, The games you think are the best are not the same games that I think are the best. I will not play an RTS game, nor will I play a FPS game. It isnt the graphics that drives me away but the style of game play. RTS is to boring why should i sit and wait for my city to get yp the proper research trees to attack the opposistion? FPS games(in offline mode) in my opinion are nothing but FFA games with no storyline and no real challenge. Also I never said you said PS2 was the best. I stated that the last console I owned was the Dreamcast which imo is better than the PS2 and the Xbox. Learn to read before you comment. the reason Im playing MMO's is because they offer me a challenge that offline games do not. In offline games there is a linear path that on must follow to complete the main quest of the game No matter what offline game dev's say there will always be a linear path to follow in all offline games. In online games I can choose to further the story line of the game or ignore it altogether. Jinaex: As I have stated I am on a tight budget I dont have the luxury to go out and buy a $220 vid card. I have much more important things to do with my money. And no my vid cards are not holding me back. I do not feal the need to max out the graphics in every game that I play because i can run them just fine on balanced graphics. That is the point the rest are failing to understand. Why should I run on max graphics when I can play the same games that they can on with balanced or lower? is there some uber game bonus for running on max graphics that only they know about? If so someone please tell me what this goodie is.
The only reason ANYONE is talking about maxing out graphics in any games is because of your "top of the line" bs from the first post, and other comments since then like the one about your card's performance being even with high end cards. You can play ANY game out right now with your computers. Not one of them will crash and die due to lack of hardware power. Notice not one of us have said it would.
If you're looking to get a better graphics performance in games, not one of us has suggested buying a $220 card. You don't NEED a $220 card for upper end graphics. You NEED a $80-$120 card if you want to get into the range of "wow that looks great" in the more graphically intense games. Side by side, your 8600 or 9400 will look terrible compared to a rig with a 9800 on it playing Age of Conan. Do you NEED a 9800 to play AoC? No. Does it take $220 to make AoC look good? No. It takes $80-$120.
Also, you know what? MMORPGs are far from the most challenging games. They're certainly the most time consuming games. But challenging? This genre is FAR from challenging. MMORPGs are not known for their challenge but rather their MMO aspect along side the typical RPG elements (character development, storylines, etc).
Do you have $70 you can spend on gaming? If so, buy a refurbished PS2 http://www.gamestop.com/Browse/Search.aspx?N=139+196 . If not, save up the money you're going to spend monthly on an MMO and you now have enough.
Why would you want a ps2? Because the type of games you're looking for are there. You want a challenging story driven game? Get God of War. You want a challenging stealth based story driven game? Metal Gear Solid series. Want a light hearted story driven game? Kingdom Hearts. Don't forget about FFX, FFX2, FFXII, all quality games waiting for you. PS2 is a gold mine of amazing games and they're all dirt cheap. For $50, I got God of War 1, God of War 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, Devil May Cry 1-3 the other day at Gamestop. For someone on a budget looking for challenging, story driven games, you're looking in the wrong place.
You still dont get it, am I using to large of words for you to understand? Even on blanced graphics I am doing fine, why do I need to go above that? The only difference between my settings for games like Everquest 2, Lineage 2, Warhammer Online, Lord of the Rings Online, Vanguard Saga of Hero's, RF Online, Age of Conan(Im not going to play never did like the books or the movies) and yours is that you are able to see the muscle twitiches and im not. Am I still able to play these games? Yes I am. Do I need to see the muscle twtiches to play the same games you do? No I do not. I am perfectly fine running a MMO with balanced or lower graphics. I did not come to the this forum for a constant running joke about my choice of graphics cards by people who the knowledge they have about my video cards is the comments left by people on sites like NewEgg, Fry's, and Amazon. Unless you have actually run the same video cards that I am currently running then you have no clue about what you are talking about. Also about the PS2, While I do like the Sony Console games I do not need it. Other than the FF games(which now bore me). Games like God of War, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry are not for me. And further more when did I ever ask for assistence with console games? The only reason I mentioned the Dreamcast was because someone mentioned PS2. I do not like the fact that Sega stopped making console systems because of Sony, Micro$haft and Nintendo. To me it was because of Sega that Sony, Nintendo and Micro$haft that you are able to play online games through the console systems. I will not buy another console system because like most of my PC games it will probably keep my interest for maybe 5-6 hours tops and then get thrown into my closet with the other things that bore me. I have stated time after time I WANT ONLINE PC GAME SUGGESTIONS. Not crappy offline FPS(and no I will not play FPS games like Quake, Battlefield, Doom or any other FPS games you might think of online because if I dont like them offline what makes you think I will like them online?) RTS(the same goes for this gaming genre), or console games. The crappy comment is my opinion on the game genres not fact. Sence you have done nothing but constantly harass my choice of vid cards why should I ever listen to your advice on anything?
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
Originally posted by akiira69 You still dont get it, am I using to large of words for you to understand?
Yep, that's it. Your words were too big for me. Good luck in life sir.
I see you either gave up or realized the fact that I dont need a 200 series vid card when the ones I currently have do just as fine. So I cant run AoC on the best graphics, that is more than fine with me because I never had any intentions of playing a game as poorly thought as that. Yes I have heard all the rumors tha surround AoC. How once you get to level 20 there is nothing left to do, why would I want to play a game like that? As for Cody1174 I didnt buy the 8600 GT or the 9400 GT because they are the best I bought them because they both can run almost any mmo out at balanced graphics. That in it self is all that matters to me.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
I see you either gave up or realized the fact that I dont need a 200 series vid card when the ones I currently have do just as fine. So I cant run AoC on the best graphics, that is more than fine with me because I never had any intentions of playing a game as poorly thought as that. Yes I have heard all the rumors tha surround AoC. How once you get to level 20 there is nothing left to do, why would I want to play a game like that? As for Cody1174 I didnt buy the 8600 GT or the 9400 GT because they are the best I bought them because they both can run almost any mmo out at balanced graphics. That in it self is all that matters to me.
Yet the old ones can run them on higher graphics and are cheaper? Flawed logic.
akiira69. I thought you were done with this thread. Well I am. We have tried to help you with many suggestions. People even seemed to move past the video issues and some who were a bit rough lightened up. However, you still come at us with an insulting tone.
This idea that you are on such a budget that you can not afford these expensive cards and super computers all us other rich guys have. You also suggest we are wasting our money for wanting to play the games as they were designed and not some stick figure low setting game that you seem to love. Good for you if you like crappy graphics.You see we do not understand what a budget is and make 6 figure pay checks as you have said more then once. In fact you did simply turn out to be a troll. URNotMega's first alcohol inspired post was dead on. I see that clearly now , even if he did not see so clear when he wrote it.
You are mad that some called you out on your "top of the line" comment. So instead of admitting you were wrong or just moving past it, you try to defend your comment with some lame, I am not rich, argument. News flash I am not rich either. I simply researched my cards before I bought them to get the best my budget would allow.
Every game bores you, you prefer crap graphics, you played every mmo ever made, well I got no PC suggestions for you anymore. The ps2 idea was a great suggestion. I will go one further, try playing board games like Monopoly. After all, you are bored by all PC games and graphics mean nothing to you.
akiira69. I thought you were done with this thread. Well I am. We have tried to help you with many suggestions. People even seemed to move past the video issues and some who were a bit rough lightened up. However, you still come at us with an insulting tone. This idea that you are on such a budget that you can not afford these expensive cards and super computers all us other rich guys have. You also suggest we are wasting our money for wanting to play the games as they were designed and not some stick figure low setting game that you seem to love. Good for you if you like crappy graphics.You see we do not understand what a budget is and make 6 figure pay checks as you have said more then once. In fact you did simply turn out to be a troll. URNotMega's first alcohol inspired post was dead on. I see that clearly now , even if he did not see so clear when he wrote it. You are mad that some called you out on your "top of the line" comment. So instead of admitting you were wrong or just moving past it, you try to defend your comment with some lame, I am not rich, argument. News flash I am not rich either. I simply researched my cards before I bought them to get the best my budget would allow. Every game bores you, you prefer crap graphics, you played every mmo ever made, well I got no PC suggestions for you anymore. The ps2 idea was a great suggestion. I will go one further, try playing board games like Monopoly. After all, you are bored by all PC games and graphics mean nothing to you.
You think what I have said till now is a "troll" looking for an arguement? The I would love to see this "troll" because I for one have been holding back. I never said every game bores me i just said those with 2.5d graphics, FPS, and RTS bores me. And you are partially right a game can have kick ass graphics but if it has a crappy storyline then why should I play it? all i have ever asked was what games I could play on my system. I never asked what graphics card do I need to purchase to play the killer games like AoC or Crysis. yet that is all i have been getting. And you expect me to be greatful for that advice? If that is helpful advice then I must be posting on the wrong forums. Sence you gave helpful advice to me Ill give some to you. Take about an hours break from your so called uber 200 series graphics cards and your time playing AoC, go outside and take part in the best game ever invented. Its called Reality, you might just like it, it also might teach you that not everyone has your thirst for the best out.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
You think what I have said till now is a "troll" looking for an arguement? The I would love to see this "troll" because I for one have been holding back. I never said every game bores me i just said those with 2.5d graphics, FPS, and RTS bores me. And you are partially right a game can have kick ass graphics but if it has a crappy storyline then why should I play it? all i have ever asked was what games I could play on my system. I never asked what graphics card do I need to purchase to play the killer games like AoC or Crysis. yet that is all i have been getting. And you expect me to be greatful for that advice? If that is helpful advice then I must be posting on the wrong forums. Sence you gave helpful advice to me Ill give some to you. Take about an hours break from your so called uber 200 series graphics cards and your time playing AoC, go outside and take part in the best game ever invented. Its called Reality, you might just like it, it also might teach you that not everyone has your thirst for the best out.
The old go out and be part of “reality” line. You got me good with that one didn’t you? The lame get a life response, use by those without a life. That line is as old as your "top of the line" videos cards.
You think what I have said till now is a "troll" looking for an arguement? The I would love to see this "troll" because I for one have been holding back. I never said every game bores me i just said those with 2.5d graphics, FPS, and RTS bores me. And you are partially right a game can have kick ass graphics but if it has a crappy storyline then why should I play it? all i have ever asked was what games I could play on my system. I never asked what graphics card do I need to purchase to play the killer games like AoC or Crysis. yet that is all i have been getting. And you expect me to be greatful for that advice? If that is helpful advice then I must be posting on the wrong forums. Sence you gave helpful advice to me Ill give some to you. Take about an hours break from your so called uber 200 series graphics cards and your time playing AoC, go outside and take part in the best game ever invented. Its called Reality, you might just like it, it also might teach you that not everyone has your thirst for the best out.
The old go out and be part of “reality” line. You got me good with that one didn’t you? The lame get a life response, use by those without a life. That line is as old as your "top of the line" videos cards.
"Say goodnight Gracie"... "Goodnight Gracie"
I should of expected that you would nick pick at my response, instead of reading the whole thing you pick out 1 thing and comment on it. But when it comes to a true debate you are all talk and no show(yes I know its an old saying but when it comes to you its very much true). I admit that my vid cards arent the best of the best, but for you and the rest to go out of your way to say that the only game i could play was World of Warcraft was far worse than anything I said but if you want to live in the constant state of denial go right ahead. I know what my video cards can do, I know what they cant do and all that matters. To those who truely tried to help with valid game choices I thank. To the ones that said the only games I could play are World of Warcraft and emulators I suggest before you make another wrong guess at what a video card can and cannot do go out buy one use it then comment. until then you will always be stating opinions based on someone elses opinions.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
As the title says I am in desperate need of a new MMO to play either Free to play or Pay to Play, I have played most if not all Pay to Play MMORPG's and most if not all Free to Play 3D MMORPG's. Before anyone starts on the rant I should give 2D and 2.5D MMORPG's let me say that I wont play ANY MMO that is 2D cause it reminds me of the days of side scrolling games for consoles, and the 2.5D reminds me of Diablo 1 and 2. If I wanted to play a 2D game I will download a NES SNES GameBoy or Sega Genesis Emulator and some ROM's to play with. If I wanted to play a game with 2.5D graphics Ill re-install Diablo 2 and the Diablo 2 Expansion Pack Lord of Destruction. On both of my computers I have the top of the line graphics cards, im not going to waist them by playing free to play 2.5D MMO's. Its a waist of system resources and beneath me to even think about playing. The Computer Spec's for both my computers: 1)Intel Core 2 Duo 2.2ghz CPU 3Gbs Kingston DDR2 333 PC2 - 5300 RAM 1Gbs Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT 250Gbs Western Digital Hard Drive 16x16 DVD Burner Windows Vista Home Premium(Build 6001: Service Pack 1) 2) AMD Phenom X3 2.1ghz Triple-Core 4Gbs DDR2 1066 Kingston RAM 1Gbs Asus Nvidia Geforce 9400 GT 500Gbs Western Digital Hard Drive 2 22x DVD Burners(With LightScribe) Windows XP Home Service Pack 3
Haha... is this a joke thread?
Your graphics cards are lower middle class at best and I'm wondering why you felt the need to point out that your dvd burners have lightscribe technology.
You didn't say anything about what type of MMO you enjoy, you just say that it has to be 3d. OK, I'll bite. You should play Age of Conan so you can give your video cards a work out. Don't expect to run on anything near high though. Or you could try Vanguard, but don't expect the view distance to be all that high. Or you could play WoW, but don't expect to be able to max out everything on that either.
You need to swap the ram between your computers. Vista needs 4gb more than XP does.
Vanguard SOH? Already Played
WoW? Already Played
AoC? Ill give it a Try
As for my Vid Cards? Unless there is a card out there bigger than 1gbs RAM then my cards can run almost any game out. As for games that require high end graphics the highest i have ever seen is 512mbs Even the high end cards like the 200 series from Nvidia arent pushed to their limits with current game technology. You say AoC will give my system a work out but even at recommended settings the graphics required are only Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 7900GTX or equivalent Video Memory: 512 MB I have a 8600 GT with 1 Gb RAM on one computer and a 9400 GT also with 1gbs on the other I doubt Ill see any performance loss on either of my computers. Hell according to System Requirements Lab the site that runs Can you Run It, the only thing stopping me from running AoC on good settings on the Intel computer is that the CPU isnt high enough. Its running a Dual Core 2.2 Ghz and AoC recommends a 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo. It seems like you arent as bright as you might want people to think you are about vid cards, I suggest you do some actual research about what my vid cards can and cannot do before you call them lower middle class vid cards otherwise you just sound like a fool. How do I know this? Because I have played more MMO's than you even have time for. I have even played games that spout high end graphics and barely seen lag on the highest settings. Games like Everquest 2, EVE Online, and Lineage 2 which are heavy graphics oriented and barely dropped below 25-30 FPS. Hell the only time i see a drop in FPS in EQ2 is when I launch WinAmp which my FPS dropped to 20-25. I played Vanguard on highest settings and dropped to 20-25 FPS.
As for redcap036 I have tried some of those games
Afterworld? Havent tried yet
AO? Didnt like how you had to constant click on the target to attack
Requiem? Doesnt like Windows VIsta for some reason
RF Online? Currently Playing
Mageten? Currently Playing
Atlantica? Havent Tried
Mabinogi? Currently playing
Runes of Magic? Currently playing
Secondhand Lands? Never heard of good call
Sword of the New World? does not like Windows Vista
4Story? Didnt like the gameplay
Ether Saga? havent tried yet
Im mentioning Windows Vista and not Windows XP because the Vista computer i my primary system of choice it makes use of the Core 2 Duo much more effectively than the WinXP does the Tri-Core. I should Swap but I have lost my WinXP cd and currently waiting on a replacement.
HAHAHAHA
Oh man. I try not to post drunk but this one just pulled me in. You're a good troll, really.
Ya know what? Go ahead and give AoC a try. Pump it up to MAX settings with your lower middle class video cards. Then maybe you'll learn that overkill on video memory isn't all that important.
Wait though, you're currently playing Mabinogi and Runes of Magic? Wooooa there. Don't stress your cards too much. You're pushing them barely over 2d, they might burn out and die if you're not careful.
At least you have plenty of hdd space and lightscribe!
Since you sound like someone who wants the best, might I suggest an expensive geforce 200 series (maybe the 295?)? I'm on a 260, so I know what it's like to have a lower upper class card. Maybe you've got enough money to afford a true upper class card that blows any game away?
Wait wait... why are you worrying about top notch graphics in an MMORPG forum? MMORPGs tend to be way behind par. I think you're looking for Crysis. It's over there ---->
Crysis is awesome on a good system that can max it. No MMORPG comes close to comparing. Then again, a lot of the higher tech MMORPGs that are out right now would challenge your system on medium to high spec.
Got some money for upgrades? PM me I'll be happy to upgrade your system for a reasonable cost.
Your right, you shouldn't post while your drunk, it makes you come across as a little ego tossing jerk, which is a pity, because some of your other posts in different threads, shows that your smart and got a lot to share, pity it's covered in drunken ego crap, which I'm pretty sure, most people will want to tell you to stick up your arse, than actually listen to you, pity.
Maybe you should just stick to the darkfall forum's when your pissed.
see signature below....heheh
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
ive been looking into fallen earth haven made a decision about it tho
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
As for my Vid Cards? Unless there is a card out there bigger than 1gbs RAM then my cards can run almost any game out. As for games that require high end graphics the highest i have ever seen is 512mbs Even the high end cards like the 200 series from Nvidia arent pushed to their limits with current game technology. You say AoC will give my system a work out but even at recommended settings the graphics required are only Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 7900GTX or equivalent Video Memory: 512 MB I have a 8600 GT with 1 Gb RAM on one computer and a 9400 GT also with 1gbs on the other I doubt Ill see any performance loss on either of my computers. Hell according to System Requirements Lab the site that runs Can you Run It, the only thing stopping me from running AoC on good settings on the Intel computer is that the CPU isnt high enough. Its running a Dual Core 2.2 Ghz and AoC recommends a 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo. It seems like you arent as bright as you might want people to think you are about vid cards, I suggest you do some actual research about what my vid cards can and cannot do before you call them lower middle class vid cards otherwise you just sound like a fool. How do I know this? Because I have played more MMO's than you even have time for. I have even played games that spout high end graphics and barely seen lag on the highest settings. Games like Everquest 2, EVE Online, and Lineage 2 which are heavy graphics oriented and barely dropped below 25-30 FPS. Hell the only time i see a drop in FPS in EQ2 is when I launch WinAmp which my FPS dropped to 20-25. I played Vanguard on highest settings and dropped to 20-25 FPS.
what a big noob. 8600 and 9400 is garbage low end stuff for gaming. I can give you 2gb and its still garbage. Anyone who is really serious about pc gaming wont even think about these models. wow 20-30fps?? ITS AMAZING!!! /spit
You act like an expert. But you look like an amateur to me.
i have already admitted my mistake move along there is nothing to see
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
actually I use 1440x900(17" Widscreen on the Intel System 19" Widescreen on the AMD System) on both my computers nd I never said that my cards were the best, all I said was why should I spend $220 on a card I can get the same performance out of one that considerbly cheaper. I also never said the RA like to know where you are getting this tM on a vid card makes a vid card uber. I really would like to know where you are getting all of this info. And as for games like World at War and crysis I dont bother playing those types of games FPS Offline(notice I say offline not online) pose no challenge for me because they are easy to defeat with cheats, that is why I play online games because it is impossible to cheat and not get caught even with PunkBuster on a FPS server its still easy to cheat and not get caught but to cheat and not get caught in a MMORPG is a real feat. the only games I play offline are CRPG's which also require heavy graphics cards.
1. Well, that resolution is as bad as the one I said, so it doesn't make any difference.
2. First of, you won't get the same perfomance from a $220 card, it will be much much better than yours, you are just too blind to realize that.
3. Yes, you said RAM matters, you said it on your first post, maybe you should remember what you say.
4. I never talked about World at War, I said World in Conflict, it's a strategy game. Btw, both games you are able to play online, and if you use cheats to beat a game, then it's your own fault. It doesn't make the game easier, it's just.. you are CHEATING. It's like saying, meh, olympics suck because I take steroids and am stronger than anyone else.
5. It's not impossible to cheat on an online game, and it is very easy to cheat on a MMORPG, ever heard of bots? Trainers? Buying in-game money, accounts or char with real money? That's all fairly easy, you just need MONEY.
CRPGs requiring heavy graphic cards? Don't make me laugh.
Again, get a clue what you are talking about. you don't even know what you said the day before.
PS: Playing on a 17" inch monitor... you really should stop talking about stuff you don't know.
1) The Resolution of a monitor does not set how a game runs just how you view a game.
2) I never said the perfomance was the same, I said why should i spend $220 when I can play the same game with one that costs $50.
3)I neve said RAM Matters I said its a driving force behind which games i can and cannot play.
4)I never said I cheat when playing an offline game, all I said was the opportunities to cheat in an offline game and have no reprecussions were higher than that of an online game. Also I do not play RTS games cause they do not pose a challenge to me. The only games that do are CRPG's, where there is an actualy challenge to stay either good or evil. In an RTS game there are set paramiters that one must follow to complete a level. I feel the same way about FPS games, only difference between RTS and FPS is that in a FPS its a FFA killing spree betwen the start of the level and the end of the level. In most of the new CRPG's you are given only a storyline and you choose how your character determines the outcome of the story.
5)I never said it was impossinle to cheat in onlime games i said the possibilities to cheat and not get caught were slim to none.
6)I said 17' WIDESCREEN not 17" Plain there is a complete difference
You say I need to get a clue yet you nit pick at what I say and only comment on what you want to and more often than not you get it wrong learn to read before you comment then you might actually see what Im typing.
I'm glad people already answered it for me .
Nit picking..? Only commenting on what I want? Hmm, nope. I commented on every thing you said that was wrong. It's called, correcting. Ever heard of that?
And, no, I don't get it wrong, you don't know how to say things, because, as showed about dozens of times in this thread, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, nevertheless, you apologize for it, but keep doing it. You don't even know how to troll properly.
Learn to read before I comment? I think it is you who got corrected over 10 times, and doesn't even remember what you typed the day before.
You are clearly a joke, get a clue. Stop talking about PCs, and go play barbies.
PS: "I said 17' WIDESCREEN not 17" Plain there is a complete difference"
I don't think so, it's just a resolution matter, which DOES MATTER.
And FYI, the possibility of cheating on a MMORPG without getting caught, is quite big. Thousands of people do it. Another thing you don't know about.
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The resolution DOES affect how the game runs. Try running WoW at 800x600, check the FPS. Now run it at the highest resolution, check the FPS. I guarantee a 15 FPS difference, at least.
As for the "I haven't played Final Fantasy 9-13 because I can't afford a PS3", 9-12 are on the PS2 and 13 isn't even out in America yet.
You say have a short attention span? Why the hell are trying to play in a genre of games that takes at least 70 hours of playtime to achieve much of anything?
Now, as for your game, now that you actually told us something, I think Lord of the Rings Online would suit you nicely. It's PvE oriented, has a very good story that is well presented, cutscenes included, it has a lot of solo content with a great amount of group stuff too. Both of your rigs would struggle with the graphics if you were to set it on higher settings, but it runs fine on pretty much any computer with the options set further down.
Umm where is the word "best" at I have read and re-read the post and unless my eye sight is failing me the word "best" is no where to be found. The last Console system I played was Sega DreamCast, and imo that was 10x better than the PS2 and the Xbox. Yes there was loading screens but if it werent for the Dreamcast system how much longer do you think it would of taken Nintendo, Sony, or Micro$haft to consider allowing their consoles to go online to play? If it wasnt for Sega then most of the features you love on your PS2, PS3, Nintendo Wii, Xbox, and Xbox 360 would have probably taken alot longer to get out on the market.
As for LotRO I might give it a shot I already tried Asheron's Call(played it for 4 and a half years), and I tried D&D Online(though I didnt like the campeign module they chose to work with). If I can play WoW on max graphics, and play EQ2 on max Graphics why would my rigs struggle on LotRO? Also why do you have to repeatedly beat the dead horse(the dead horse being the constant rag on my choice of vid cards), its dead get over it. we have moved on past that point. Are you that in love with your vid card that the only thing you can think of how uber it is? We get the point, the matter has dropped if you keep on pestering me about this not only will I block you but I will report you.
Few things, I never said that the PS2 was better than anything else, I just said you can play FF 9-12 on it, no PS3 needed. Nor did I say anything about video card, sure I spent a pretty penny on it, but the only mention I made of it was in my first reply, and I have the specs in my sig.
You didn't say "Best" you chose "Top of the line cards".
And I had the same issue with DDO, would have much preferred Forgotten Realms. And yes, LOTRO makes use of advanced DX10 lighting and bump mapping, both of your rigs would have trouble with it on the higher up settings.
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Jordaniel Torey - Navy Megathron, Active Armor Tank - Tranquility - EVE Online
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
According to what you have said,
I would suggest
1. Lord of the Rings online - As it suits about 90% of your style down to the letter.
2. Dungeon and Dragons : Stormreach - A very nice game, very story driven, user set difficulty.
Also the other guy was right, LotRO is going to be taxing on your machine.
LotRO is about 3 times more graphically intense than WoW and EQ2.
It was the first game to fully utilize DX10 and when you max out LotRO you will know why we are telling you this. This game chews up most mid class rigs and spits them out. I use to run it with 2 7600GT's in SLi mode, 4 gigs of DDR3 800 ram and a 6000+ AMD back in the day and it ran this game very poorly.
Even when I ran it with 2 8800GT's in SLi mode it still had some slow down in DX10. I tried it with the new Nvidia 200 series and it performs top notch, but those are high end cards and should be able to max out LotRO.
Not saying you can't try. It would be worth a shot. It does fit your criteria.
I can max it out on my rig, 60 FPS with VSync on, 150FPS with VSync off. Although the local internet cafe runs LOTRO at med-lowish settings with 7600GT cards. So, it's definitely possible, but it will be taxing.
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Telthalion Rohircil - Guardian - Elemandir - Lord of The Rings Online
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Jordaniel Torey - Navy Megathron, Active Armor Tank - Tranquility - EVE Online
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Torey Scott - Rifleman - Fallen Earth
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
Your cards are holding you back. alot.
u can over clock ur cpu(s)
but your cards are going to stop you from running eye candy
if you're seious about MMO's (enough to try every single one out there...w tf how much time to you have on your hands?) then you would know that the newer titles would wipe the floor with your cards.
Before you become an angry person, this post has a point.
If you want a better MMO experience, which is more immersive, upgrade your graphics cards, you will instantly see lower loading times, better detail, smooth fps, higher res & overall prettyness.
Which you would definately not achieve in the new titles out there.
I would suspect that you have not been taken in by any new games because the graphics are not immersive enough for you.
The resolution DOES affect how the game runs. Try running WoW at 800x600, check the FPS. Now run it at the highest resolution, check the FPS. I guarantee a 15 FPS difference, at least.
As for the "I haven't played Final Fantasy 9-13 because I can't afford a PS3", 9-12 are on the PS2 and 13 isn't even out in America yet.
You say have a short attention span? Why the hell are trying to play in a genre of games that takes at least 70 hours of playtime to achieve much of anything?
Now, as for your game, now that you actually told us something, I think Lord of the Rings Online would suit you nicely. It's PvE oriented, has a very good story that is well presented, cutscenes included, it has a lot of solo content with a great amount of group stuff too. Both of your rigs would struggle with the graphics if you were to set it on higher settings, but it runs fine on pretty much any computer with the options set further down.
Umm where is the word "best" at I have read and re-read the post and unless my eye sight is failing me the word "best" is no where to be found. The last Console system I played was Sega DreamCast, and imo that was 10x better than the PS2 and the Xbox. Yes there was loading screens but if it werent for the Dreamcast system how much longer do you think it would of taken Nintendo, Sony, or Micro$haft to consider allowing their consoles to go online to play? If it wasnt for Sega then most of the features you love on your PS2, PS3, Nintendo Wii, Xbox, and Xbox 360 would have probably taken alot longer to get out on the market.
As for LotRO I might give it a shot I already tried Asheron's Call(played it for 4 and a half years), and I tried D&D Online(though I didnt like the campeign module they chose to work with). If I can play WoW on max graphics, and play EQ2 on max Graphics why would my rigs struggle on LotRO? Also why do you have to repeatedly beat the dead horse(the dead horse being the constant rag on my choice of vid cards), its dead get over it. we have moved on past that point. Are you that in love with your vid card that the only thing you can think of how uber it is? We get the point, the matter has dropped if you keep on pestering me about this not only will I block you but I will report you.
Few things, I never said that the PS2 was better than anything else, I just said you can play FF 9-12 on it, no PS3 needed. Nor did I say anything about video card, sure I spent a pretty penny on it, but the only mention I made of it was in my first reply, and I have the specs in my sig.
You didn't say "Best" you chose "Top of the line cards".
And I had the same issue with DDO, would have much preferred Forgotten Realms. And yes, LOTRO makes use of advanced DX10 lighting and bump mapping, both of your rigs would have trouble with it on the higher up settings.
I am currently running Assasins Creed(granted I only played 4-5 hours of it because it was boring but I do have it and it ran very smoothly) which is a DX10 game and im having no problems. So what makes you think Ill have problems with LotRO? There is a difference in reading the facts of a vid card and actually seeing it in a real life computer. ITs like trying to describe a horse when you only have the tail to work with. While I am actually working with the 8600 GT and the 9400 GT I know what it can and cannot do, you on the other hand only what the documentaion to work with. I am sick and tired of all you people who are just looking at the vid card series and guessing what it can and cannot do, none of you have ran the cards with my configuration. The only thing your doing is saying "Well sence I can run the best graphics on the best games theres no why you can do the same". Ill say this 1 more time, The games you think are the best are not the same games that I think are the best. I will not play an RTS game, nor will I play a FPS game. It isnt the graphics that drives me away but the style of game play. RTS is to boring why should i sit and wait for my city to get yp the proper research trees to attack the opposistion? FPS games(in offline mode) in my opinion are nothing but FFA games with no storyline and no real challenge. Also I never said you said PS2 was the best. I stated that the last console I owned was the Dreamcast which imo is better than the PS2 and the Xbox. Learn to read before you comment. the reason Im playing MMO's is because they offer me a challenge that offline games do not. In offline games there is a linear path that on must follow to complete the main quest of the game No matter what offline game dev's say there will always be a linear path to follow in all offline games. In online games I can choose to further the story line of the game or ignore it altogether.
Jinaex: As I have stated I am on a tight budget I dont have the luxury to go out and buy a $220 vid card. I have much more important things to do with my money. And no my vid cards are not holding me back. I do not feal the need to max out the graphics in every game that I play because i can run them just fine on balanced graphics. That is the point the rest are failing to understand. Why should I run on max graphics when I can play the same games that they can on with balanced or lower? is there some uber game bonus for running on max graphics that only they know about? If so someone please tell me what this goodie is.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
The only reason ANYONE is talking about maxing out graphics in any games is because of your "top of the line" bs from the first post, and other comments since then like the one about your card's performance being even with high end cards. You can play ANY game out right now with your computers. Not one of them will crash and die due to lack of hardware power. Notice not one of us have said it would.
If you're looking to get a better graphics performance in games, not one of us has suggested buying a $220 card. You don't NEED a $220 card for upper end graphics. You NEED a $80-$120 card if you want to get into the range of "wow that looks great" in the more graphically intense games. Side by side, your 8600 or 9400 will look terrible compared to a rig with a 9800 on it playing Age of Conan. Do you NEED a 9800 to play AoC? No. Does it take $220 to make AoC look good? No. It takes $80-$120.
Also, you know what? MMORPGs are far from the most challenging games. They're certainly the most time consuming games. But challenging? This genre is FAR from challenging. MMORPGs are not known for their challenge but rather their MMO aspect along side the typical RPG elements (character development, storylines, etc).
Do you have $70 you can spend on gaming? If so, buy a refurbished PS2 http://www.gamestop.com/Browse/Search.aspx?N=139+196 . If not, save up the money you're going to spend monthly on an MMO and you now have enough.
Why would you want a ps2? Because the type of games you're looking for are there. You want a challenging story driven game? Get God of War. You want a challenging stealth based story driven game? Metal Gear Solid series. Want a light hearted story driven game? Kingdom Hearts. Don't forget about FFX, FFX2, FFXII, all quality games waiting for you. PS2 is a gold mine of amazing games and they're all dirt cheap. For $50, I got God of War 1, God of War 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, Devil May Cry 1-3 the other day at Gamestop. For someone on a budget looking for challenging, story driven games, you're looking in the wrong place.
The only reason ANYONE is talking about maxing out graphics in any games is because of your "top of the line" bs from the first post, and other comments since then like the one about your card's performance being even with high end cards. You can play ANY game out right now with your computers. Not one of them will crash and die due to lack of hardware power. Notice not one of us have said it would.
If you're looking to get a better graphics performance in games, not one of us has suggested buying a $220 card. You don't NEED a $220 card for upper end graphics. You NEED a $80-$120 card if you want to get into the range of "wow that looks great" in the more graphically intense games. Side by side, your 8600 or 9400 will look terrible compared to a rig with a 9800 on it playing Age of Conan. Do you NEED a 9800 to play AoC? No. Does it take $220 to make AoC look good? No. It takes $80-$120.
Also, you know what? MMORPGs are far from the most challenging games. They're certainly the most time consuming games. But challenging? This genre is FAR from challenging. MMORPGs are not known for their challenge but rather their MMO aspect along side the typical RPG elements (character development, storylines, etc).
Do you have $70 you can spend on gaming? If so, buy a refurbished PS2 http://www.gamestop.com/Browse/Search.aspx?N=139+196 . If not, save up the money you're going to spend monthly on an MMO and you now have enough.
Why would you want a ps2? Because the type of games you're looking for are there. You want a challenging story driven game? Get God of War. You want a challenging stealth based story driven game? Metal Gear Solid series. Want a light hearted story driven game? Kingdom Hearts. Don't forget about FFX, FFX2, FFXII, all quality games waiting for you. PS2 is a gold mine of amazing games and they're all dirt cheap. For $50, I got God of War 1, God of War 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, Devil May Cry 1-3 the other day at Gamestop. For someone on a budget looking for challenging, story driven games, you're looking in the wrong place.
You still dont get it, am I using to large of words for you to understand? Even on blanced graphics I am doing fine, why do I need to go above that? The only difference between my settings for games like Everquest 2, Lineage 2, Warhammer Online, Lord of the Rings Online, Vanguard Saga of Hero's, RF Online, Age of Conan(Im not going to play never did like the books or the movies) and yours is that you are able to see the muscle twitiches and im not. Am I still able to play these games? Yes I am. Do I need to see the muscle twtiches to play the same games you do? No I do not. I am perfectly fine running a MMO with balanced or lower graphics. I did not come to the this forum for a constant running joke about my choice of graphics cards by people who the knowledge they have about my video cards is the comments left by people on sites like NewEgg, Fry's, and Amazon. Unless you have actually run the same video cards that I am currently running then you have no clue about what you are talking about. Also about the PS2, While I do like the Sony Console games I do not need it. Other than the FF games(which now bore me). Games like God of War, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry are not for me. And further more when did I ever ask for assistence with console games? The only reason I mentioned the Dreamcast was because someone mentioned PS2. I do not like the fact that Sega stopped making console systems because of Sony, Micro$haft and Nintendo. To me it was because of Sega that Sony, Nintendo and Micro$haft that you are able to play online games through the console systems. I will not buy another console system because like most of my PC games it will probably keep my interest for maybe 5-6 hours tops and then get thrown into my closet with the other things that bore me. I have stated time after time I WANT ONLINE PC GAME SUGGESTIONS. Not crappy offline FPS(and no I will not play FPS games like Quake, Battlefield, Doom or any other FPS games you might think of online because if I dont like them offline what makes you think I will like them online?) RTS(the same goes for this gaming genre), or console games. The crappy comment is my opinion on the game genres not fact. Sence you have done nothing but constantly harass my choice of vid cards why should I ever listen to your advice on anything?
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
Yep, that's it. Your words were too big for me. Good luck in life sir.
no offense to anyone but just because your card starts with a 9 and is the newest series doesn't make it good.
9400 cards arent half as powerful as 8800 or and arent as good as 7800gtx or 7950gts.
Yep, that's it. Your words were too big for me. Good luck in life sir.
I see you either gave up or realized the fact that I dont need a 200 series vid card when the ones I currently have do just as fine. So I cant run AoC on the best graphics, that is more than fine with me because I never had any intentions of playing a game as poorly thought as that. Yes I have heard all the rumors tha surround AoC. How once you get to level 20 there is nothing left to do, why would I want to play a game like that? As for Cody1174 I didnt buy the 8600 GT or the 9400 GT because they are the best I bought them because they both can run almost any mmo out at balanced graphics. That in it self is all that matters to me.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
I see you either gave up or realized the fact that I dont need a 200 series vid card when the ones I currently have do just as fine. So I cant run AoC on the best graphics, that is more than fine with me because I never had any intentions of playing a game as poorly thought as that. Yes I have heard all the rumors tha surround AoC. How once you get to level 20 there is nothing left to do, why would I want to play a game like that? As for Cody1174 I didnt buy the 8600 GT or the 9400 GT because they are the best I bought them because they both can run almost any mmo out at balanced graphics. That in it self is all that matters to me.
Yet the old ones can run them on higher graphics and are cheaper? Flawed logic.
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
akiira69. I thought you were done with this thread. Well I am. We have tried to help you with many suggestions. People even seemed to move past the video issues and some who were a bit rough lightened up. However, you still come at us with an insulting tone.
This idea that you are on such a budget that you can not afford these expensive cards and super computers all us other rich guys have. You also suggest we are wasting our money for wanting to play the games as they were designed and not some stick figure low setting game that you seem to love. Good for you if you like crappy graphics.You see we do not understand what a budget is and make 6 figure pay checks as you have said more then once. In fact you did simply turn out to be a troll. URNotMega's first alcohol inspired post was dead on. I see that clearly now , even if he did not see so clear when he wrote it.
You are mad that some called you out on your "top of the line" comment. So instead of admitting you were wrong or just moving past it, you try to defend your comment with some lame, I am not rich, argument. News flash I am not rich either. I simply researched my cards before I bought them to get the best my budget would allow.
Every game bores you, you prefer crap graphics, you played every mmo ever made, well I got no PC suggestions for you anymore. The ps2 idea was a great suggestion. I will go one further, try playing board games like Monopoly. After all, you are bored by all PC games and graphics mean nothing to you.
You think what I have said till now is a "troll" looking for an arguement? The I would love to see this "troll" because I for one have been holding back. I never said every game bores me i just said those with 2.5d graphics, FPS, and RTS bores me. And you are partially right a game can have kick ass graphics but if it has a crappy storyline then why should I play it? all i have ever asked was what games I could play on my system. I never asked what graphics card do I need to purchase to play the killer games like AoC or Crysis. yet that is all i have been getting. And you expect me to be greatful for that advice? If that is helpful advice then I must be posting on the wrong forums. Sence you gave helpful advice to me Ill give some to you. Take about an hours break from your so called uber 200 series graphics cards and your time playing AoC, go outside and take part in the best game ever invented. Its called Reality, you might just like it, it also might teach you that not everyone has your thirst for the best out.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
The old go out and be part of “reality” line. You got me good with that one didn’t you? The lame get a life response, use by those without a life. That line is as old as your "top of the line" videos cards.
The old go out and be part of “reality” line. You got me good with that one didn’t you? The lame get a life response, use by those without a life. That line is as old as your "top of the line" videos cards.
I should of expected that you would nick pick at my response, instead of reading the whole thing you pick out 1 thing and comment on it. But when it comes to a true debate you are all talk and no show(yes I know its an old saying but when it comes to you its very much true). I admit that my vid cards arent the best of the best, but for you and the rest to go out of your way to say that the only game i could play was World of Warcraft was far worse than anything I said but if you want to live in the constant state of denial go right ahead. I know what my video cards can do, I know what they cant do and all that matters. To those who truely tried to help with valid game choices I thank. To the ones that said the only games I could play are World of Warcraft and emulators I suggest before you make another wrong guess at what a video card can and cannot do go out buy one use it then comment. until then you will always be stating opinions based on someone elses opinions.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
Haha... is this a joke thread?
Your graphics cards are lower middle class at best and I'm wondering why you felt the need to point out that your dvd burners have lightscribe technology.
You didn't say anything about what type of MMO you enjoy, you just say that it has to be 3d. OK, I'll bite. You should play Age of Conan so you can give your video cards a work out. Don't expect to run on anything near high though. Or you could try Vanguard, but don't expect the view distance to be all that high. Or you could play WoW, but don't expect to be able to max out everything on that either.
You need to swap the ram between your computers. Vista needs 4gb more than XP does.
Vanguard SOH? Already Played
WoW? Already Played
AoC? Ill give it a Try
As for my Vid Cards? Unless there is a card out there bigger than 1gbs RAM then my cards can run almost any game out. As for games that require high end graphics the highest i have ever seen is 512mbs Even the high end cards like the 200 series from Nvidia arent pushed to their limits with current game technology. You say AoC will give my system a work out but even at recommended settings the graphics required are only Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 7900GTX or equivalent Video Memory: 512 MB I have a 8600 GT with 1 Gb RAM on one computer and a 9400 GT also with 1gbs on the other I doubt Ill see any performance loss on either of my computers. Hell according to System Requirements Lab the site that runs Can you Run It, the only thing stopping me from running AoC on good settings on the Intel computer is that the CPU isnt high enough. Its running a Dual Core 2.2 Ghz and AoC recommends a 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo. It seems like you arent as bright as you might want people to think you are about vid cards, I suggest you do some actual research about what my vid cards can and cannot do before you call them lower middle class vid cards otherwise you just sound like a fool. How do I know this? Because I have played more MMO's than you even have time for. I have even played games that spout high end graphics and barely seen lag on the highest settings. Games like Everquest 2, EVE Online, and Lineage 2 which are heavy graphics oriented and barely dropped below 25-30 FPS. Hell the only time i see a drop in FPS in EQ2 is when I launch WinAmp which my FPS dropped to 20-25. I played Vanguard on highest settings and dropped to 20-25 FPS.
As for redcap036 I have tried some of those games
Afterworld? Havent tried yet
AO? Didnt like how you had to constant click on the target to attack
Requiem? Doesnt like Windows VIsta for some reason
RF Online? Currently Playing
Mageten? Currently Playing
Atlantica? Havent Tried
Mabinogi? Currently playing
Runes of Magic? Currently playing
Secondhand Lands? Never heard of good call
Sword of the New World? does not like Windows Vista
4Story? Didnt like the gameplay
Ether Saga? havent tried yet
Im mentioning Windows Vista and not Windows XP because the Vista computer i my primary system of choice it makes use of the Core 2 Duo much more effectively than the WinXP does the Tri-Core. I should Swap but I have lost my WinXP cd and currently waiting on a replacement.
HAHAHAHA
Oh man. I try not to post drunk but this one just pulled me in. You're a good troll, really.
Ya know what? Go ahead and give AoC a try. Pump it up to MAX settings with your lower middle class video cards. Then maybe you'll learn that overkill on video memory isn't all that important.
Wait though, you're currently playing Mabinogi and Runes of Magic? Wooooa there. Don't stress your cards too much. You're pushing them barely over 2d, they might burn out and die if you're not careful.
At least you have plenty of hdd space and lightscribe!
Since you sound like someone who wants the best, might I suggest an expensive geforce 200 series (maybe the 295?)? I'm on a 260, so I know what it's like to have a lower upper class card. Maybe you've got enough money to afford a true upper class card that blows any game away?
Wait wait... why are you worrying about top notch graphics in an MMORPG forum? MMORPGs tend to be way behind par. I think you're looking for Crysis. It's over there ---->
Crysis is awesome on a good system that can max it. No MMORPG comes close to comparing. Then again, a lot of the higher tech MMORPGs that are out right now would challenge your system on medium to high spec.
Got some money for upgrades? PM me
I'll be happy to upgrade your system for a reasonable cost.
Your right, you shouldn't post while your drunk, it makes you come across as a little ego tossing jerk, which is a pity, because some of your other posts in different threads, shows that your smart and got a lot to share, pity it's covered in drunken ego crap, which I'm pretty sure, most people will want to tell you to stick up your arse, than actually listen to you, pity.
Maybe you should just stick to the darkfall forum's when your pissed.
see signature below....heheh
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
I would start following fallen earth...game looks really nice so far
ive been looking into fallen earth haven made a decision about it tho
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
As for my Vid Cards? Unless there is a card out there bigger than 1gbs RAM then my cards can run almost any game out. As for games that require high end graphics the highest i have ever seen is 512mbs Even the high end cards like the 200 series from Nvidia arent pushed to their limits with current game technology. You say AoC will give my system a work out but even at recommended settings the graphics required are only Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 7900GTX or equivalent Video Memory: 512 MB I have a 8600 GT with 1 Gb RAM on one computer and a 9400 GT also with 1gbs on the other I doubt Ill see any performance loss on either of my computers. Hell according to System Requirements Lab the site that runs Can you Run It, the only thing stopping me from running AoC on good settings on the Intel computer is that the CPU isnt high enough. Its running a Dual Core 2.2 Ghz and AoC recommends a 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo. It seems like you arent as bright as you might want people to think you are about vid cards, I suggest you do some actual research about what my vid cards can and cannot do before you call them lower middle class vid cards otherwise you just sound like a fool. How do I know this? Because I have played more MMO's than you even have time for. I have even played games that spout high end graphics and barely seen lag on the highest settings. Games like Everquest 2, EVE Online, and Lineage 2 which are heavy graphics oriented and barely dropped below 25-30 FPS. Hell the only time i see a drop in FPS in EQ2 is when I launch WinAmp which my FPS dropped to 20-25. I played Vanguard on highest settings and dropped to 20-25 FPS.
what a big noob. 8600 and 9400 is garbage low end stuff for gaming. I can give you 2gb and its still garbage. Anyone who is really serious about pc gaming wont even think about these models. wow 20-30fps?? ITS AMAZING!!! /spit
You act like an expert. But you look like an amateur to me.
i have already admitted my mistake move along there is nothing to see
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
My God what a trainwreck of a thread. I just couldn't stop reading. It's like watching an accident. Terrible terrible terrible.
Man, that was terrible.
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1. Well, that resolution is as bad as the one I said, so it doesn't make any difference.
2. First of, you won't get the same perfomance from a $220 card, it will be much much better than yours, you are just too blind to realize that.
3. Yes, you said RAM matters, you said it on your first post, maybe you should remember what you say.
4. I never talked about World at War, I said World in Conflict, it's a strategy game. Btw, both games you are able to play online, and if you use cheats to beat a game, then it's your own fault. It doesn't make the game easier, it's just.. you are CHEATING. It's like saying, meh, olympics suck because I take steroids and am stronger than anyone else.
5. It's not impossible to cheat on an online game, and it is very easy to cheat on a MMORPG, ever heard of bots? Trainers? Buying in-game money, accounts or char with real money? That's all fairly easy, you just need MONEY.
CRPGs requiring heavy graphic cards? Don't make me laugh.
Again, get a clue what you are talking about. you don't even know what you said the day before.
PS: Playing on a 17" inch monitor... you really should stop talking about stuff you don't know.
1) The Resolution of a monitor does not set how a game runs just how you view a game.
2) I never said the perfomance was the same, I said why should i spend $220 when I can play the same game with one that costs $50.
3)I neve said RAM Matters I said its a driving force behind which games i can and cannot play.
4)I never said I cheat when playing an offline game, all I said was the opportunities to cheat in an offline game and have no reprecussions were higher than that of an online game. Also I do not play RTS games cause they do not pose a challenge to me. The only games that do are CRPG's, where there is an actualy challenge to stay either good or evil. In an RTS game there are set paramiters that one must follow to complete a level. I feel the same way about FPS games, only difference between RTS and FPS is that in a FPS its a FFA killing spree betwen the start of the level and the end of the level. In most of the new CRPG's you are given only a storyline and you choose how your character determines the outcome of the story.
5)I never said it was impossinle to cheat in onlime games i said the possibilities to cheat and not get caught were slim to none.
6)I said 17' WIDESCREEN not 17" Plain there is a complete difference
You say I need to get a clue yet you nit pick at what I say and only comment on what you want to and more often than not you get it wrong learn to read before you comment then you might actually see what Im typing.
I'm glad people already answered it for me
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Nit picking..? Only commenting on what I want? Hmm, nope. I commented on every thing you said that was wrong. It's called, correcting. Ever heard of that?
And, no, I don't get it wrong, you don't know how to say things, because, as showed about dozens of times in this thread, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, nevertheless, you apologize for it, but keep doing it. You don't even know how to troll properly.
Learn to read before I comment? I think it is you who got corrected over 10 times, and doesn't even remember what you typed the day before.
You are clearly a joke, get a clue. Stop talking about PCs, and go play barbies.
PS: "I said 17' WIDESCREEN not 17" Plain there is a complete difference"
I don't think so, it's just a resolution matter, which DOES MATTER.
And FYI, the possibility of cheating on a MMORPG without getting caught, is quite big. Thousands of people do it. Another thing you don't know about.