it still has more players than darkfall, its more stable oh and you can buy it at the stores.
I wouldn't really use subscriptions and WAR together in the same sentence if I was trying to promote it, or give it's good points in an argument.
Comparing the subscriptions to WAR and Darkfall is almost as bad as comparing the subscriptions to WAR and WoW so I wouldn't do that.
Darkfall has 10-15,000 subs? WAR has 300k (much less now though). WoW has 11-12 million.
Darkfall cost 30 million to make? WAR cost almost 100 million.
WAR is not successful going off subscriptions.
are you sure?
even if war has 200k subs they are making around 3 mil a month. their box sales were close to 750k @ 50 they made about 37.5 back and after all these months since release war has prob made close to what was spent to make it.
darkfall is only 10 to15k subs @ 15 thats about 225k a month it is a huge differece since they have to pay 30 mil back, and those devs are Not working for free. 225k might be about the year income of 2 devs if not less. there really isnt a gain.
even if they charged every of the 15k ish members the 50$ they only made 750 k
war has gained 1/3 of what they spent on box sales alone which is a good.
darkfall only gained a marginal amount back on box sales. thats not good. regardless if its a small team they need to make enough $$$ to sustain themselves and pay back what they owe plus give the game maintence. 10 to 15k subs doesnt cover for it. they are not backed up by a huge publisher like ea that can whithstand the financial blow war caused them.
war can still recover or atleast pay back what was owed and then make a marginal gain.
darkfall is on the path of the beaten. They are stupid devs. They have alot of people who dont give a flying fuck about the mistakes the game has or the broken promises. they have people who are willing to play this game in its current state. Yet they deny them that privilage to play.
if they were to open2 new servers now and hit 50k subs they will be in the safe Zone if not become profitable due to their size.
are you sure? even if war has 200k subs they are making around 3 mil a month. their box sales were close to 750k @ 50 they made about 37.5 back and after all these months since release war has prob made close to what was spent to make it.
Pretty sure.
Let's say Warhammer sold 750k boxes. First you are forgetting that they did not sell 750k boxes at $50. Why would Walmart buy 100k boxes from Mythic for $50 and then sell them to everyone for.. $50? They wouldn't. So right there if you buy it at Walmart for $50, you know Walmart, Best Buy, Circuit City, Gamestop etc, did NOT buy it for $50. They probably bought bulk for $25-30 a box. I don't know how you don't see that simple business fact. Buy low, sell high.
Second, you or I have no idea what Mythic's overhead costs are, so I wouldn't even venture a guess. But one thing you and I do know is that it's SIGNIFICANTLY higher than Darkfall's overhead. Darkfall is bare bones, no PR. Few health benefits (how much does coverage cost for 15 employees? lol) There are no bonuses or anything at Aventurine and nothing but old debt. WAR has tons of that overhead so off of $15/mo, how much of that do you think they are really keeping? No way they are clearing $3 million dollars a month in Warhammer.
We have no idea what Darkfall developers were promised or hired at. But we can assume it was a LOT less given the country and economic conditions. I'm sure Mythic had to pay their people a lot more per average than Aventurine, and they have lots more of them. The first sign that they aren't clearing enough at Mythic was the layoffs.. two rounds. Whatever they are making, it's not enough or they'd be hiring and not cutting off development people, which is what they did last time around. So far, Aventurine hasn't laid anyone off yet, so it can't be THAT bad there, lol.
even if war has 200k subs they are making around 3 mil a month. their box sales were close to 750k @ 50 they made about 37.5 back and after all these months since release war has prob made close to what was spent to make it.
Pretty sure.
Let's say Warhammer sold 750k boxes. First you are forgetting that they did not sell 750k boxes at $50. Why would Walmart buy 100k boxes from Mythic for $50 and then sell them to everyone for.. $50? They wouldn't. So right there if you buy it at Walmart for $50, you know Walmart, Best Buy, Circuit City, Gamestop etc, did NOT buy it for $50. They probably bought bulk for $25-30 a box. I don't know how you don't see that simple business fact. Buy low, sell high.
Second, you or I have no idea what Mythic's overhead costs are, so I wouldn't even venture a guess. But one thing you and I do know is that it's SIGNIFICANTLY higher than Darkfall's overhead. Darkfall is bare bones, no PR. Few health benefits (how much does coverage cost for 15 employees? lol) There are no bonuses or anything at Aventurine and nothing but old debt. WAR has tons of that overhead so off of $15/mo, how much of that do you think they are really keeping? No way they are clearing $3 million dollars a month in Warhammer.
We have no idea what Darkfall developers were promised or hired at. But we can assume it was a LOT less given the country and economic conditions. I'm sure Mythic had to pay their people a lot more per average than Aventurine, and they have lots more of them. The first sign that they aren't clearing enough at Mythic was the layoffs.. two rounds. Whatever they are making, it's not enough or they'd be hiring and not cutting off development people, which is what they did last time around. So far, Aventurine hasn't laid anyone off yet, so it can't be THAT bad there, lol.
if they lay 1 person off its over for em to much work.
if they lay 1 person off its over for em to much work.
True, that goes for any company nowadays; lose one technical person and your game suffers. No need to look any further than WAR to see that.
In any event, I was glad to be able to bring you up to speed on how box game sales work somewhat regarding wholesale/retail. It certainly was an interesting conversation and I'm always amazed at the "$50 box sold for $50 at no profit" argument, however obviously flawed it is.
Until I bought the game to see if it was really a good game as many said and I am satisfied. You trolls out there look for every little small factor and makes more excuses to degrade darkfall. My experience in the game was very exciting. In the beginning the GUI was weird but after a couple hours I was used to it. There is so much to explain but trolls will not listen and flame this thread and me. I got in game and did the various beginning and crafting quests and then headed out to my guild city. This is where the good part comes. I went on small raid groups with 20+ people and pillaged cities of our enemies. I felt the adrenaline rush when we attacked the inhabitants. This game is exceptional for tactics as when it gets dark, it is realllllly dark and you can stealth and ambush others. An example of tactics is when in our raid group we were going to attack and loot the main city of the enemy alliance. It was at night and we had to hide ourselves in order to gain an advantage and kill them with less effort. We hid behind several bushes and giant boulders and sent two scouts to gather information. They crossed the shallow river and crouch walked along the way whilst hiding behind everything that the environment provided. When we had the information we could decide how we would execute our attack. In this case there were equal amounts of people so we decided to let the 2 scouts lure a few of them out and then we would ambush them. It worked and we took down around 1/3-1/2 of them eventually but had to escape because they had reinforcements on mounts in the distance. I don't understand why there are so many trolls. The positives outweigh the negatives ultimately. This is a really fun game and will continue to be attracting more customers in the future.
um.... congrats?
enjoy the game, i'm sure you've earned/deserve it.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
it still has more players than darkfall, its more stable oh and you can buy it at the stores.
I wouldn't really use subscriptions and WAR together in the same sentence if I was trying to promote it, or give it's good points in an argument.
Comparing the subscriptions to WAR and Darkfall is almost as bad as comparing the subscriptions to WAR and WoW so I wouldn't do that.
Darkfall has 10-15,000 subs? WAR has 300k (much less now though). WoW has 11-12 million.
Darkfall cost 30 million to make? WAR cost almost 100 million.
WAR is not successful going off subscriptions.
i read the other discussion about boxes and subs, farther in the thread past the quoted.
even if it's down to 250,000 subs for war (and war has been out how long?), that's what? 15 times what darkfall has, at only 3x the cost of darkfall?
$5 X 250,000 subs > $15 X 15,000 subs.... yes?
$2 X 250,000 subs is like twice $15 X 15,000 subs.
overhead, such as personnel, yes, mythic/ea might be paying loads more for their personnel, but isn't it still a larger team at mythic/ea vs darkfall? i mean, mythic/ea has no problems updating their website, nor publishing update notes.
just sayin'...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
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Trolls where right. This game is so full of vapor you can fall thru the world endlessly , they prob put some planks in those areas by now.
But the vapor now fills your memory causing you to constantly crash so now you need to dedicate tons of hardrive space to deter crashing.
Darkfall The game you go to the darkplaces in it and fall endlessly.
creatio ex nihilo !
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
On a positive side Darkfall seems to bind all those morons, cheaters and other Knalltueten that otherwise would waste our time and patience in the better games. I don't want to play this crap but where can I make a donation please?
I'm tired of all this bullshit from trolls. I'm having so much fun still in darkfallbut maybe that's because a few people in my household play it also and I have a close and tight nit clan. Cya I'm out of this shit hole.
Go ahead call me a care bear, but i bet i have more time in real PvP games, than you sir, this is why i am a knowledgeable customer, and see darkfall for what it is. a mediocre, shallow, flawed from the design stage , amateur production, simplistic PvP game.
Oh really? You neither own or play Darkfall. Thanks for sharing your enlightened information to all of us actually playing the game. Im 35 and have been playing pvp games since I was a kid. Honestly though who cares? this game is fun and that's all that matters. There will always be a special place in my heart for WW II online though
When someone says DF is not good, he does not own the game. When another unknown person says DF is good, he must be playing the game. This attitude just about summarises how reliable DF supporters are in presenting a reasonable assessment of DF.
I can believe pigs have wings, if I believe in you.
Oh come on, can we have some positive news about DF from someone who appears to be more rational?
I already made a thread about Darkfall but I'll comment here as well just to dispell the rumors... All Darkfall has going for it is open PvP (which arguably is poorly designed and simplistic in itself) Crafting is useless for several reasons including the fact that armor is easily obtainable from the glitched out mobs and anyone can macro crafting up if they'd like to (not to mention equipment isn't a big deal in the game to begin with). PvE is weak A) because most of the world is empty Because the AI is atrocious. And this isn't because it was meant to be a "PvP game". It was marketed as both, amongst other things (basically marketed as the ultimate sandbox MMO). So have fun with your "Full loot PvP" and "Clan Politics" and "City Sieging" because that's all it has going for it (unfortunately for Darkfall there are plenty of games out there that do that better plus they actually have other features included). So, even if you try to get past the missing features, useless crafting, clunky UI, bugs, exploits, macroing, poor customer service, billing issues, "GM corruption", already outdated graphics, poor animations, lame fetch x trinkets from y mob quests, etc. etc. etc. you'll realize the game is broken from the core. It's lacking in good core design and that can't be fixed with patches.
Dude, you have never ever played this game. Don't you have anything better to do than go around and bash it on a a random internet forum? It might be a good idea to get a life or a girlfirend.
There are a ton of us who are enjoying the game and want to have a serious discussion about it. I've played the game since December (beta) and I just renewed my sub to six months. If you're not interested in playing, then guess what -- you don't have to.
Oh, and... go back to wow.
Once again, when someone says anything bad about DF, it is automatically a truth that he does not play DF. This is all the reasoning a pro-DF person can work on. I begin to wonder what DF attracts as a community. Even Hitler is more tolerant.
There cannot be a ton of ppl enjoying. The population cap for this game is pathetically small.
Then all posts have to end with "go back to WoW". I stop believiing that DF players have any intelligence or ability to communicate or reason. So much so for a game that is crappy, and worst still a game that has to be driven by players, and with such players. Addios.
We have no idea what Darkfall developers were promised or hired at. But we can assume it was a LOT less given the country and economic conditions. I'm sure Mythic had to pay their people a lot more per average than Aventurine, and they have lots more of them.
Umm Aventurine is based out of Greece and Razorwax out of Norway... Both 1st world countries and members of the EU.
You make it sound like Darkfall was developed in some east Asian sweatshop.
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Seven posts or seven thousand. I feel there is smoething mighty suspicous about the OP because of the quote above.
Is AV turning to viral marketing ? They need the money it seems.
Wrong ,the game is crap...
The trolls are not stupid enough to waste their money like you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAncbYBjofc
"TO MICHAEL!"
Wrong ,the game is crap...
The trolls are not stupid enough to waste their money like you.
And this is Shard's game- Warhammer:
it still has more players than darkfall, its more stable oh and you can buy it at the stores.
Im going to sell you a dream.
Wrong ,the game is crap...
The trolls are not stupid enough to waste their money like you.
And this is Shard's game- Warhammer:
it still has more players than darkfall, its more stable oh and you can buy it at the stores.
But, then again, it is kinda boring, imo...
I think mostly people are just losing interest and moving on to other upcoming games, like TOR.
I wouldn't really use subscriptions and WAR together in the same sentence if I was trying to promote it, or give it's good points in an argument.
Comparing the subscriptions to WAR and Darkfall is almost as bad as comparing the subscriptions to WAR and WoW so I wouldn't do that.
Darkfall has 10-15,000 subs? WAR has 300k (much less now though). WoW has 11-12 million.
Darkfall cost 30 million to make? WAR cost almost 100 million.
WAR is not successful going off subscriptions.
"TO MICHAEL!"
"Funnest".... Laughing my fucking ass off.
I wouldn't really use subscriptions and WAR together in the same sentence if I was trying to promote it, or give it's good points in an argument.
Comparing the subscriptions to WAR and Darkfall is almost as bad as comparing the subscriptions to WAR and WoW so I wouldn't do that.
Darkfall has 10-15,000 subs? WAR has 300k (much less now though). WoW has 11-12 million.
Darkfall cost 30 million to make? WAR cost almost 100 million.
WAR is not successful going off subscriptions.
are you sure?
even if war has 200k subs they are making around 3 mil a month. their box sales were close to 750k @ 50 they made about 37.5 back and after all these months since release war has prob made close to what was spent to make it.
darkfall is only 10 to15k subs @ 15 thats about 225k a month it is a huge differece since they have to pay 30 mil back, and those devs are Not working for free. 225k might be about the year income of 2 devs if not less. there really isnt a gain.
even if they charged every of the 15k ish members the 50$ they only made 750 k
war has gained 1/3 of what they spent on box sales alone which is a good.
darkfall only gained a marginal amount back on box sales. thats not good. regardless if its a small team they need to make enough $$$ to sustain themselves and pay back what they owe plus give the game maintence. 10 to 15k subs doesnt cover for it. they are not backed up by a huge publisher like ea that can whithstand the financial blow war caused them.
war can still recover or atleast pay back what was owed and then make a marginal gain.
darkfall is on the path of the beaten. They are stupid devs. They have alot of people who dont give a flying fuck about the mistakes the game has or the broken promises. they have people who are willing to play this game in its current state. Yet they deny them that privilage to play.
if they were to open2 new servers now and hit 50k subs they will be in the safe Zone if not become profitable due to their size.
Im going to sell you a dream.
Pretty sure.
Let's say Warhammer sold 750k boxes. First you are forgetting that they did not sell 750k boxes at $50. Why would Walmart buy 100k boxes from Mythic for $50 and then sell them to everyone for.. $50? They wouldn't. So right there if you buy it at Walmart for $50, you know Walmart, Best Buy, Circuit City, Gamestop etc, did NOT buy it for $50. They probably bought bulk for $25-30 a box. I don't know how you don't see that simple business fact. Buy low, sell high.
Second, you or I have no idea what Mythic's overhead costs are, so I wouldn't even venture a guess. But one thing you and I do know is that it's SIGNIFICANTLY higher than Darkfall's overhead. Darkfall is bare bones, no PR. Few health benefits (how much does coverage cost for 15 employees? lol) There are no bonuses or anything at Aventurine and nothing but old debt. WAR has tons of that overhead so off of $15/mo, how much of that do you think they are really keeping? No way they are clearing $3 million dollars a month in Warhammer.
We have no idea what Darkfall developers were promised or hired at. But we can assume it was a LOT less given the country and economic conditions. I'm sure Mythic had to pay their people a lot more per average than Aventurine, and they have lots more of them. The first sign that they aren't clearing enough at Mythic was the layoffs.. two rounds. Whatever they are making, it's not enough or they'd be hiring and not cutting off development people, which is what they did last time around. So far, Aventurine hasn't laid anyone off yet, so it can't be THAT bad there, lol.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Pretty sure.
Let's say Warhammer sold 750k boxes. First you are forgetting that they did not sell 750k boxes at $50. Why would Walmart buy 100k boxes from Mythic for $50 and then sell them to everyone for.. $50? They wouldn't. So right there if you buy it at Walmart for $50, you know Walmart, Best Buy, Circuit City, Gamestop etc, did NOT buy it for $50. They probably bought bulk for $25-30 a box. I don't know how you don't see that simple business fact. Buy low, sell high.
Second, you or I have no idea what Mythic's overhead costs are, so I wouldn't even venture a guess. But one thing you and I do know is that it's SIGNIFICANTLY higher than Darkfall's overhead. Darkfall is bare bones, no PR. Few health benefits (how much does coverage cost for 15 employees? lol) There are no bonuses or anything at Aventurine and nothing but old debt. WAR has tons of that overhead so off of $15/mo, how much of that do you think they are really keeping? No way they are clearing $3 million dollars a month in Warhammer.
We have no idea what Darkfall developers were promised or hired at. But we can assume it was a LOT less given the country and economic conditions. I'm sure Mythic had to pay their people a lot more per average than Aventurine, and they have lots more of them. The first sign that they aren't clearing enough at Mythic was the layoffs.. two rounds. Whatever they are making, it's not enough or they'd be hiring and not cutting off development people, which is what they did last time around. So far, Aventurine hasn't laid anyone off yet, so it can't be THAT bad there, lol.
if they lay 1 person off its over for em to much work.
Im going to sell you a dream.
True, that goes for any company nowadays; lose one technical person and your game suffers. No need to look any further than WAR to see that.
In any event, I was glad to be able to bring you up to speed on how box game sales work somewhat regarding wholesale/retail. It certainly was an interesting conversation and I'm always amazed at the "$50 box sold for $50 at no profit" argument, however obviously flawed it is.
"TO MICHAEL!"
um.... congrats?
enjoy the game, i'm sure you've earned/deserve it.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I wouldn't really use subscriptions and WAR together in the same sentence if I was trying to promote it, or give it's good points in an argument.
Comparing the subscriptions to WAR and Darkfall is almost as bad as comparing the subscriptions to WAR and WoW so I wouldn't do that.
Darkfall has 10-15,000 subs? WAR has 300k (much less now though). WoW has 11-12 million.
Darkfall cost 30 million to make? WAR cost almost 100 million.
WAR is not successful going off subscriptions.
i read the other discussion about boxes and subs, farther in the thread past the quoted.
even if it's down to 250,000 subs for war (and war has been out how long?), that's what? 15 times what darkfall has, at only 3x the cost of darkfall?
$5 X 250,000 subs > $15 X 15,000 subs.... yes?
$2 X 250,000 subs is like twice $15 X 15,000 subs.
overhead, such as personnel, yes, mythic/ea might be paying loads more for their personnel, but isn't it still a larger team at mythic/ea vs darkfall? i mean, mythic/ea has no problems updating their website, nor publishing update notes.
just sayin'...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
The "trolls" were right..
How so ? i am playing DarkFall.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
How so ? i am playing DarkFall.
Trolls where right. This game is so full of vapor you can fall thru the world endlessly , they prob put some planks in those areas by now.
But the vapor now fills your memory causing you to constantly crash so now you need to dedicate tons of hardrive space to deter crashing.
Darkfall The game you go to the darkplaces in it and fall endlessly.
Im going to sell you a dream.
How so ? i am playing DarkFall.
Trolls where right. This game is so full of vapor you can fall thru the world endlessly , they prob put some planks in those areas by now.
But the vapor now fills your memory causing you to constantly crash so now you need to dedicate tons of hardrive space to deter crashing.
Darkfall The game you go to the darkplaces in it and fall endlessly.
creatio ex nihilo !
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
How so ? i am playing DarkFall.
Trolls where right. This game is so full of vapor you can fall thru the world endlessly , they prob put some planks in those areas by now.
But the vapor now fills your memory causing you to constantly crash so now you need to dedicate tons of hardrive space to deter crashing.
Darkfall The game you go to the darkplaces in it and fall endlessly.
creatio ex nihilo !
a tu madre !
Im going to sell you a dream.
How so ? i am playing DarkFall.
Trolls where right. This game is so full of vapor you can fall thru the world endlessly , they prob put some planks in those areas by now.
But the vapor now fills your memory causing you to constantly crash so now you need to dedicate tons of hardrive space to deter crashing.
Darkfall The game you go to the darkplaces in it and fall endlessly.
creatio ex nihilo !
a tu madre !
Darkfall goes latin..?
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
LOL best reply in this entire thread.
I'm tired of all this bullshit from trolls. I'm having so much fun still in darkfallbut maybe that's because a few people in my household play it also and I have a close and tight nit clan. Cya I'm out of this shit hole.
Oh really?
You neither own or play Darkfall. Thanks for sharing your enlightened information to all of us actually playing the game. Im 35 and have been playing pvp games since I was a kid. Honestly though who cares? this game is fun and that's all that matters. There will always be a special place in my heart for WW II online though
When someone says DF is not good, he does not own the game. When another unknown person says DF is good, he must be playing the game. This attitude just about summarises how reliable DF supporters are in presenting a reasonable assessment of DF.
I can believe pigs have wings, if I believe in you.
Oh come on, can we have some positive news about DF from someone who appears to be more rational?
Dude, you have never ever played this game. Don't you have anything better to do than go around and bash it on a a random internet forum? It might be a good idea to get a life or a girlfirend.
There are a ton of us who are enjoying the game and want to have a serious discussion about it. I've played the game since December (beta) and I just renewed my sub to six months. If you're not interested in playing, then guess what -- you don't have to.
Oh, and... go back to wow.
Once again, when someone says anything bad about DF, it is automatically a truth that he does not play DF. This is all the reasoning a pro-DF person can work on. I begin to wonder what DF attracts as a community. Even Hitler is more tolerant.
There cannot be a ton of ppl enjoying. The population cap for this game is pathetically small.
Then all posts have to end with "go back to WoW". I stop believiing that DF players have any intelligence or ability to communicate or reason. So much so for a game that is crappy, and worst still a game that has to be driven by players, and with such players. Addios.
Umm Aventurine is based out of Greece and Razorwax out of Norway... Both 1st world countries and members of the EU.
You make it sound like Darkfall was developed in some east Asian sweatshop.
U.S Dollar as base currency: 1 dollar
Euro against the dollar exchange rate: 1.33532 dollars
Darkfall fanbois who've never left the states using absurd assumptions to support their flawed-to-begin-with logical conjuctures: priceless