I'm not sure why you even want to speculate about it's potential popularity in the first place. I do know one thing, there has yet to be an eastern made MMO to ever be a big hit in the States. I've yet to hear of a single one that ever had as many as 200K American / European subscribers. Sure, most if not all of them are very popular in Asia, but they do piss poorly anywhere else. FFXI and Lineage II are probably the most popular of the bunch and i seriously doubt they even come close to 150K American subscribers between the both of them.
And who makes Aion? :P Think a little and maybe you'll figure out why this thread is relevant, I know you can.
I'm sorry, but a few minutes of flight aren't nearly enough of a hook to make it even come close to any Western made MMO numbers. Other than the gimmicky flight, there is nothing about the game that makes it shine in my book.
you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
Plus Aion looks good. Who cares where it comes from. If your read about it you'll learn this MMO is much more "westernized" than most other MMOs... so get over it.
So tired of people not bothering to learn about an MMO before jumping to conclusions. Read an article and you would see 1) it's not like WoW and 2) it's not a "typical" asian MMO.
i hope aion is the next big mmo . theres been so many let downs in the 4 years i ve been playing them . i think there are many warcraft players that would jump ship if aion delivers the goods . to be honest i m starting to think no mmo wll at least for the next few years . at the moment i m enjoying age of conan . i dont know what the end game is like now but its fun to level for a few months just for a change of scene .
I'm not sure why you even want to speculate about it's potential popularity in the first place. I do know one thing, there has yet to be an eastern made MMO to ever be a big hit in the States. I've yet to hear of a single one that ever had as many as 200K American / European subscribers. Sure, most if not all of them are very popular in Asia, but they do piss poorly anywhere else. FFXI and Lineage II are probably the most popular of the bunch and i seriously doubt they even come close to 150K American subscribers between the both of them. AION will be popular in the East as it has already shown. I've yet to see anything about the game to make it wildly popular here. I'm sorry, but a few minutes of flight aren't nearly enough of a hook to make it even come close to any Western made MMO numbers. Other than the gimmicky flight, there is nothing about the game that makes it shine in my book.
Why speculate, just consider it a casual chatting after work. Why speculate who will won the NBA champions? Why do we talk about the presidential campaign before the ballots are out?
In the past, the Asians do not care about the Western market, that is their narrow mindset. The game ChuanQi I (not II) in China has over 10million accounts, but they stopped there. Why don't they launch in US? Its a game designed for the situation in China, and will take a lot of redevelopment to fit western taste. So is that game a failure? It has more accounts sold than possibly all games after WoW in total here. It makes a much less income per account, but that is proportional to the cost of living and cost of game developement in Asia (developed in Korea, adapted in China).
AION is developed with both markets in mind. They already scored a good start in Asia. Will they do well in the West, this is a point of interest, just like the question, "will obama make it to the royal altar".
:P You can give all arguments you want, and some people here even flicker some political stuff lol xD NERDS!
But the one thing is for sure. Its about the things that you can do ... some companies can make games, some can make "close to good stuff" programs, and they can steal ideas but their product won't be popular! That was the thread was right? Is it going to be popular, it wasn't that's for sure.
And in this matter, i can give my opinion, you can write insults in forums!
Do you know to what some of gameplay movies of this game remind me??? Mortal Combat and martial freaking stile pve :P
I'm sorry, but a few minutes of flight aren't nearly enough of a hook to make it even come close to any Western made MMO numbers. Other than the gimmicky flight, there is nothing about the game that makes it shine in my book.
you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
You have very selective reading comprehension, don't you. In all of my references, it was about American subscribers, after all, that is what this topic is about. We aren't talking about Eastern numbers, so stay on topic please. This is not about being snobbish or racist, it's about the game's supposed popularity in the West. I don't need to re-evaluate anything, I understand what I'm saying, you're the one who is confused.
Oh and by the way, Western made games DO have more American subscribers than any Eastern made game, period. There is no refuting that fact, once again, learn to read and understand what a poster is saying before you get on your soap box.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I'm sorry, but a few minutes of flight aren't nearly enough of a hook to make it even come close to any Western made MMO numbers. Other than the gimmicky flight, there is nothing about the game that makes it shine in my book.
you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
Indeed, China, India, Europe, and now Russia has displaced US as a major economic centre. And many Americans or westerners are still dreaming.
As a manufacturing centre, Asian is taking over. Russia is taking over energy, India on creative industry is marching to the front, and more. In terms of size of market, these few has so much larger a population with GDP per capita rising at double digits for almost a decade. Its no wonder they are talking about a new international currency, it means the days the greenback means something outside US is about gone. In a decade or 2.
Sad how many of the Americans bury their heads in NBA, Rose bowl, or the self gratifying US grandeur Hollywood pictures.
Vrazule, your book may mean much to you, but it ends there. A lot of the wiser westerners realise the shift of power has already begun, long ago. Don't you understand that many of the major US corporations are ditching US workers by moving the BEST production line abroad, or outright starting NEW lines abroad? The assembly lines left in the States are those they abandoned. Try the car manufacturers. They are dying in US, the same brand Ford or GM is now selling in China, selling well.
I'm sorry, but a few minutes of flight aren't nearly enough of a hook to make it even come close to any Western made MMO numbers. Other than the gimmicky flight, there is nothing about the game that makes it shine in my book.
you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
You have very selective reading comprehension, don't you. In all of my references, it was about American subscribers, after all, that is what this topic is about. We aren't talking about Eastern numbers, so stay on topic please. This is not about being snobbish or racist, it's about the game's supposed popularity in the West. I don't need to re-evaluate anything, I understand what I'm saying, you're the one who is confused.
This is exactly what many of us are speculating.
There is no argument about the eastern sub, its proven, Lineage and proven it, Aion has just reconfirmed it.
Now we are wondering, will this Aion, designed from the start with the Western market in mind as well, will score in US, in Europe. This topic is about US sub, and how well Aion might do in US or Europe, where Blizz and Wow not dominates. WAR has failed, AoC elipsed, now the question, will Aion do well?
I'm sorry, but a few minutes of flight aren't nearly enough of a hook to make it even come close to any Western made MMO numbers. Other than the gimmicky flight, there is nothing about the game that makes it shine in my book.
you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
Indeed, China, India, Europe, and now Russia has displaced US as a major economic centre. And many Americans or westerners are still dreaming.
As a manufacturing centre, Asian is taking over. Russia is taking over energy, India on creative industry is marching to the front, and more. In terms of size of market, these few has so much larger a population with GDP per capita rising at double digits for almost a decade. Its no wonder they are talking about a new international currency, it means the days the greenback means something outside US is about gone. In a decade or 2.
Sad how many of the Americans bury their heads in NBA, Rose bowl, or the self gratifying US grandeur Hollywood pictures.
Vrazule, your book may mean much to you, but it ends there. A lot of the wiser westerners realise the shift of power has already begun, long ago. Don't you understand that many of the major US corporations are ditching US workers by moving the BEST production line abroad, or outright starting NEW lines abroad? The assembly lines left in the States are those they abandoned. Try the car manufacturers. They are dying in US, the same brand Ford or GM is now selling in China, selling well.
Once again, what the hell does that have to do with the topic of the discussion? We aren't debating the comparative numbers between the east and the west, nor are we discussing which side of the world is more dominant in the MMO industry. Geez.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Again political and economical discussions. Hey m8, do you want why Asia is the center of manifacturing in the world - because the labor of the people there is cheap. And because the western countries do the most dirty manifacturing in those countries!
Anyways back to the game - this game suspeciously reminds (as graphics) to Guld Wars, despite that is little more advanced. I wonder why . Maybe because those guys use some of Anet engine
Oh no .. my bad, they've made great game, they are genius xD. I've read most of the threads, and btw ... after all the asian game stile is not the only thing that won't make this game "the next big MMO".
Oh no .. my bad, they've made great game, they are genius xD. I've read most of the threads, and btw ... after all the asian game stile is not the only thing that won't make this game "the next big MMO".
:P You can give all arguments you want, and some people here even flicker some political stuff lol xD NERDS! But the one thing is for sure. Its about the things that you can do ... some companies can make games, some can make "close to good stuff" programs, and they can steal ideas but their product won't be popular! That was the thread was right? Is it going to be popular, it wasn't that's for sure. And in this matter, i can give my opinion, you can write insults in forums! Do you know to what some of gameplay movies of this game remind me??? Mortal Combat and martial freaking stile pve :P
You give opinions? Call the most creative designers "stealing ideas" is your opinions, but not insults, while asking you for elaboration is insults?
You know how many employees we send to Korea and Japan to learn about the latest trends and ideas in design. So far, I know of few Asians coming to US to learn "soft" design, aka customer impression and concepts. Most of the best ideas in hardware implementation comes from Taiwan and now China. Who is stealing whose design? Or phrased in a better way, not in your insulting manners, who is leading the world in design? from whom should we learn?
Some companies can make games, some companies can make close to good stuffs and steal ideas, you mean the Asians? It cannot be popular? Lineage selling 12m+ copies matching WoW ( statistics are always subjected to suspicions ), and that is not popular? ChuanQi has over 10million accounts sold in just China, and that is not popular? What is the yardstick of popularity? That it has to meet your approval?
Apart from your personal disapproval, I see absolutely no objective assessment or comments from you. Scroll up and read, or go dig up some literature. The Japs started the revolution in many ways since the final fantasy series. Their RPGs had for decades inspire many designers. Dragonquest is so much ahead of the west, their idea drowned the chessboard design of might and magic in the XT days. Who is not able to make good games? Who is stealing from who?
Everyone is learning from the best source he can identify, instead of slinging insults at rising competitors? Keep your head in the sand and talk big, the world does not exist outside the pile of sand.
Again political and economical discussions. Hey m8, do you want why Asia is the center of manifacturing in the world - because the labor of the people there is cheap. And because the western countries do the most dirty manifacturing in those countries! Anyways back to the game - this game suspeciously reminds (as graphics) to Guld Wars, despite that is little more advanced. I wonder why . Maybe because those guys use some of Anet engine
How outdated your ideas are? Labor is cheap in what terms?
Labour in US is not abandoned because they are cheap or expensive. They are abandoned b/c they are not cost efficient. Japanese designers are among the most costly but they are hot, why? For every million you paid them, they bring 20 million revenue to the business. I will hire them all, if they even care to pay me a visit. Literally.
Wage level in Southern China has risen by 10 times in the last 20 years. Average take home pay after tax for a young cashier in Shenzhen is around $250-$300 US a month, after tax and social insurances. That is cheap?
The cheapest labor is a dead man, will you hire him? The most expensive labor is the CEOs and I do not see them getting out of jobs easily.
As for your idea that Aion suspiciously reminds you of guild wars, graphically, that is your own impression, which is an interesting point of discussion. First impression from an unwary customer is a very important aspect of marketing. Keep that line of idea coming. I wonder how many feel like that and how that would affect game sales. Given the tremendous initial success of GW, I wonder if that view of yours will have some meaning in the marketing gimmic.
Give something more original of this "troll" stuff would you? It's geting boring already. The thread is about popularity. Some people here look pretty annoying about WoW popularity for instance! What is wrong with you?
We all want a good game to play, but ... sadly it's not this one, except tufty polished graphics.
I'm sorry, but a few minutes of flight aren't nearly enough of a hook to make it even come close to any Western made MMO numbers. Other than the gimmicky flight, there is nothing about the game that makes it shine in my book.
you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
Indeed, China, India, Europe, and now Russia has displaced US as a major economic centre. And many Americans or westerners are still dreaming.
As a manufacturing centre, Asian is taking over. Russia is taking over energy, India on creative industry is marching to the front, and more. In terms of size of market, these few has so much larger a population with GDP per capita rising at double digits for almost a decade. Its no wonder they are talking about a new international currency, it means the days the greenback means something outside US is about gone. In a decade or 2.
Sad how many of the Americans bury their heads in NBA, Rose bowl, or the self gratifying US grandeur Hollywood pictures.
Vrazule, your book may mean much to you, but it ends there. A lot of the wiser westerners realise the shift of power has already begun, long ago. Don't you understand that many of the major US corporations are ditching US workers by moving the BEST production line abroad, or outright starting NEW lines abroad? The assembly lines left in the States are those they abandoned. Try the car manufacturers. They are dying in US, the same brand Ford or GM is now selling in China, selling well.
Once again, what the hell does that have to do with the topic of the discussion? We aren't debating the comparative numbers between the east and the west, nor are we discussing which side of the world is more dominant in the MMO industry. Geez.
Simple answer, the East is a valid source of reference for the West.
In more details, you might want to look at the Eastern markets if you want ideas about testing it in the West. A sizable portion of the Eastern customers have taste that are similar to the West. Fact is the cultures are blending, West moving to the East, and East adapting the West. There is no more distinct East West culture, the border is getting blurring, the centre of gravity in between.
Before Aion launches in the West, the only reference is how it is doing in the East. If you have other ideas on how to assess Aion's chances, enlight us.
Give something more original of this "troll" stuff would you? It's geting boring already. The thread is about popularity. Some people here look pretty annoying about WoW popularity for instance! What is wrong with you? We all want a good game to play, but ... sadly it's not this one, except tufty polished graphics.
Considering how you stated every character looks like a girly model or something along those lines in a previous post, I don't think you're in position to judge anything but graphics, obviously you didn't play the game.
It's sweet tho, since the only thing you have seen about this game looks polished to you.
Now really i'm getting pissed off. Stop flickering some political stuff in this forum NERDS! I don't care who is talented or is not talented. Chinese, korean and so on ..... Tell me why this game will be the next "big MMO". That's what is relevant to me. Stop being so smart and show so much humanity. Find an appropriate forum to do so ... Now you cath about one sentence that i've wrote and you all write unapropriate stuff in the wrong forum!
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play the game, then you will realize its nothing close to wow
Yeah AIONs UI looks NOTHING like WoWs UI. My bad.
play the game, then you will realize its nothing close to wow
Yeah AIONs UI looks NOTHING like WoWs UI. My bad.
Yeah, who cares about intuitivity, responsiveness and genre standards that shouldn't be changed, it's a wow clone, one, one, one.
And who makes Aion? :P Think a little and maybe you'll figure out why this thread is relevant, I know you can.
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you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
Plus Aion looks good. Who cares where it comes from. If your read about it you'll learn this MMO is much more "westernized" than most other MMOs... so get over it.
So tired of people not bothering to learn about an MMO before jumping to conclusions. Read an article and you would see 1) it's not like WoW and 2) it's not a "typical" asian MMO.
Or stay navie and stick to WoW. But your loss.
i hope aion is the next big mmo . theres been so many let downs in the 4 years i ve been playing them . i think there are many warcraft players that would jump ship if aion delivers the goods . to be honest i m starting to think no mmo wll at least for the next few years . at the moment i m enjoying age of conan . i dont know what the end game is like now but its fun to level for a few months just for a change of scene .
Why speculate, just consider it a casual chatting after work. Why speculate who will won the NBA champions? Why do we talk about the presidential campaign before the ballots are out?
In the past, the Asians do not care about the Western market, that is their narrow mindset. The game ChuanQi I (not II) in China has over 10million accounts, but they stopped there. Why don't they launch in US? Its a game designed for the situation in China, and will take a lot of redevelopment to fit western taste. So is that game a failure? It has more accounts sold than possibly all games after WoW in total here. It makes a much less income per account, but that is proportional to the cost of living and cost of game developement in Asia (developed in Korea, adapted in China).
AION is developed with both markets in mind. They already scored a good start in Asia. Will they do well in the West, this is a point of interest, just like the question, "will obama make it to the royal altar".
:P You can give all arguments you want, and some people here even flicker some political stuff lol xD NERDS!
But the one thing is for sure. Its about the things that you can do ... some companies can make games, some can make "close to good stuff" programs, and they can steal ideas but their product won't be popular! That was the thread was right? Is it going to be popular, it wasn't that's for sure.
And in this matter, i can give my opinion, you can write insults in forums!
Do you know to what some of gameplay movies of this game remind me??? Mortal Combat and martial freaking stile pve :P
you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
You have very selective reading comprehension, don't you. In all of my references, it was about American subscribers, after all, that is what this topic is about. We aren't talking about Eastern numbers, so stay on topic please. This is not about being snobbish or racist, it's about the game's supposed popularity in the West. I don't need to re-evaluate anything, I understand what I'm saying, you're the one who is confused.
Oh and by the way, Western made games DO have more American subscribers than any Eastern made game, period. There is no refuting that fact, once again, learn to read and understand what a poster is saying before you get on your soap box.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
Indeed, China, India, Europe, and now Russia has displaced US as a major economic centre. And many Americans or westerners are still dreaming.
As a manufacturing centre, Asian is taking over. Russia is taking over energy, India on creative industry is marching to the front, and more. In terms of size of market, these few has so much larger a population with GDP per capita rising at double digits for almost a decade. Its no wonder they are talking about a new international currency, it means the days the greenback means something outside US is about gone. In a decade or 2.
Sad how many of the Americans bury their heads in NBA, Rose bowl, or the self gratifying US grandeur Hollywood pictures.
Vrazule, your book may mean much to you, but it ends there. A lot of the wiser westerners realise the shift of power has already begun, long ago. Don't you understand that many of the major US corporations are ditching US workers by moving the BEST production line abroad, or outright starting NEW lines abroad? The assembly lines left in the States are those they abandoned. Try the car manufacturers. They are dying in US, the same brand Ford or GM is now selling in China, selling well.
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you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
You have very selective reading comprehension, don't you. In all of my references, it was about American subscribers, after all, that is what this topic is about. We aren't talking about Eastern numbers, so stay on topic please. This is not about being snobbish or racist, it's about the game's supposed popularity in the West. I don't need to re-evaluate anything, I understand what I'm saying, you're the one who is confused.
This is exactly what many of us are speculating.
There is no argument about the eastern sub, its proven, Lineage and proven it, Aion has just reconfirmed it.
Now we are wondering, will this Aion, designed from the start with the Western market in mind as well, will score in US, in Europe. This topic is about US sub, and how well Aion might do in US or Europe, where Blizz and Wow not dominates. WAR has failed, AoC elipsed, now the question, will Aion do well?
you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
Indeed, China, India, Europe, and now Russia has displaced US as a major economic centre. And many Americans or westerners are still dreaming.
As a manufacturing centre, Asian is taking over. Russia is taking over energy, India on creative industry is marching to the front, and more. In terms of size of market, these few has so much larger a population with GDP per capita rising at double digits for almost a decade. Its no wonder they are talking about a new international currency, it means the days the greenback means something outside US is about gone. In a decade or 2.
Sad how many of the Americans bury their heads in NBA, Rose bowl, or the self gratifying US grandeur Hollywood pictures.
Vrazule, your book may mean much to you, but it ends there. A lot of the wiser westerners realise the shift of power has already begun, long ago. Don't you understand that many of the major US corporations are ditching US workers by moving the BEST production line abroad, or outright starting NEW lines abroad? The assembly lines left in the States are those they abandoned. Try the car manufacturers. They are dying in US, the same brand Ford or GM is now selling in China, selling well.
Once again, what the hell does that have to do with the topic of the discussion? We aren't debating the comparative numbers between the east and the west, nor are we discussing which side of the world is more dominant in the MMO industry. Geez.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Again political and economical discussions. Hey m8, do you want why Asia is the center of manifacturing in the world - because the labor of the people there is cheap. And because the western countries do the most dirty manifacturing in those countries!
Anyways back to the game - this game suspeciously reminds (as graphics) to Guld Wars, despite that is little more advanced. I wonder why
. Maybe because those guys use some of Anet engine 
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Oh no .. my bad, they've made great game, they are genius xD. I've read most of the threads, and btw ... after all the asian game stile is not the only thing that won't make this game "the next big MMO".
Do a favor to yourself and quit posting already.
You give opinions? Call the most creative designers "stealing ideas" is your opinions, but not insults, while asking you for elaboration is insults?
You know how many employees we send to Korea and Japan to learn about the latest trends and ideas in design. So far, I know of few Asians coming to US to learn "soft" design, aka customer impression and concepts. Most of the best ideas in hardware implementation comes from Taiwan and now China. Who is stealing whose design? Or phrased in a better way, not in your insulting manners, who is leading the world in design? from whom should we learn?
Some companies can make games, some companies can make close to good stuffs and steal ideas, you mean the Asians? It cannot be popular? Lineage selling 12m+ copies matching WoW ( statistics are always subjected to suspicions ), and that is not popular? ChuanQi has over 10million accounts sold in just China, and that is not popular? What is the yardstick of popularity? That it has to meet your approval?
Apart from your personal disapproval, I see absolutely no objective assessment or comments from you. Scroll up and read, or go dig up some literature. The Japs started the revolution in many ways since the final fantasy series. Their RPGs had for decades inspire many designers. Dragonquest is so much ahead of the west, their idea drowned the chessboard design of might and magic in the XT days. Who is not able to make good games? Who is stealing from who?
Everyone is learning from the best source he can identify, instead of slinging insults at rising competitors? Keep your head in the sand and talk big, the world does not exist outside the pile of sand.
At least i've moved this thread, it was going to fall asleep. And and just gave my opinion, they started to jump on me in madness!
you didn't even state your opinion, you took a quote from a trolling manual and pasted it in here.
Asian games all teh same, western games veri gud, blah blah blah.
How outdated your ideas are? Labor is cheap in what terms?
Labour in US is not abandoned because they are cheap or expensive. They are abandoned b/c they are not cost efficient. Japanese designers are among the most costly but they are hot, why? For every million you paid them, they bring 20 million revenue to the business. I will hire them all, if they even care to pay me a visit. Literally.
Wage level in Southern China has risen by 10 times in the last 20 years. Average take home pay after tax for a young cashier in Shenzhen is around $250-$300 US a month, after tax and social insurances. That is cheap?
The cheapest labor is a dead man, will you hire him? The most expensive labor is the CEOs and I do not see them getting out of jobs easily.
As for your idea that Aion suspiciously reminds you of guild wars, graphically, that is your own impression, which is an interesting point of discussion. First impression from an unwary customer is a very important aspect of marketing. Keep that line of idea coming. I wonder how many feel like that and how that would affect game sales. Given the tremendous initial success of GW, I wonder if that view of yours will have some meaning in the marketing gimmic.
Give something more original of this "troll" stuff would you? It's geting boring already. The thread is about popularity. Some people here look pretty annoying about WoW popularity for instance! What is wrong with you?
We all want a good game to play, but ... sadly it's not this one, except tufty polished graphics.
you seem to think western made MMO have bigger numbers. that is true of ONE game, WoW. just because your NA servers aren't full doesn't mean the game isn't populated.
yes, its hard to see past our home, we see NA numbers, we visit english forums, thats how we measure it. but asia has a FAR larger gamer population (yes, most of WoWs 11-12million are from asia).
you just need to re-evaluate how you see the game. Asia is the bigger market, so the game that appeals to them more is going to be a bigger success. Lineage2 boxes were boasting 13million subscribers 2 years ago (we don't have to believe them of course) but it goes to show that just because you think its not "Western" enough doesn't mean it won't be a huge success. the western MMOs are the ones that seem to be having trouble.
Indeed, China, India, Europe, and now Russia has displaced US as a major economic centre. And many Americans or westerners are still dreaming.
As a manufacturing centre, Asian is taking over. Russia is taking over energy, India on creative industry is marching to the front, and more. In terms of size of market, these few has so much larger a population with GDP per capita rising at double digits for almost a decade. Its no wonder they are talking about a new international currency, it means the days the greenback means something outside US is about gone. In a decade or 2.
Sad how many of the Americans bury their heads in NBA, Rose bowl, or the self gratifying US grandeur Hollywood pictures.
Vrazule, your book may mean much to you, but it ends there. A lot of the wiser westerners realise the shift of power has already begun, long ago. Don't you understand that many of the major US corporations are ditching US workers by moving the BEST production line abroad, or outright starting NEW lines abroad? The assembly lines left in the States are those they abandoned. Try the car manufacturers. They are dying in US, the same brand Ford or GM is now selling in China, selling well.
Once again, what the hell does that have to do with the topic of the discussion? We aren't debating the comparative numbers between the east and the west, nor are we discussing which side of the world is more dominant in the MMO industry. Geez.
Simple answer, the East is a valid source of reference for the West.
In more details, you might want to look at the Eastern markets if you want ideas about testing it in the West. A sizable portion of the Eastern customers have taste that are similar to the West. Fact is the cultures are blending, West moving to the East, and East adapting the West. There is no more distinct East West culture, the border is getting blurring, the centre of gravity in between.
Before Aion launches in the West, the only reference is how it is doing in the East. If you have other ideas on how to assess Aion's chances, enlight us.
Considering how you stated every character looks like a girly model or something along those lines in a previous post, I don't think you're in position to judge anything but graphics, obviously you didn't play the game.
It's sweet tho, since the only thing you have seen about this game looks polished to you.
Now really i'm getting pissed off. Stop flickering some political stuff in this forum NERDS! I don't care who is talented or is not talented. Chinese, korean and so on ..... Tell me why this game will be the next "big MMO". That's what is relevant to me. Stop being so smart and show so much humanity. Find an appropriate forum to do so ... Now you cath about one sentence that i've wrote and you all write unapropriate stuff in the wrong forum!