I'm with Mrbloodworth on this one. These unnecessary 'opinioned overviews' all carry a faint wiff of fanboism about them. I find this strange as other websites well..half decent websites have slagged this game down and with good reason too. I also think that the game should of been reviewed first on MMORPG.com and then these 'correspondents' could of posted their 'opinions' Very unprofessional.
Actually, I have to agree with Mrbloodworth and everyone that agrees with him. There should be a review before any "opinions" are posted and they should not be posted as "News".
Also reading the references to "one of the most hardcore MMO's" and references to "Carebears".... reminds me of the "elitist" Darkfall community.
Hardcore is what you make of it.... any MMO can be hardcore.. it's all in how you play it.
Would someone please define news instead of just throwing it around having no idea how the term is used? The ignorance on this website never ceases to amaze me. How do the opinions of someone who has played a game for an hour qualify as news more than the opinions of someone who has played it for days or weeks? Most "reviews" are from someone who has played a game for a very short amount of time, so the argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, in addition to the fact that it ignores the traditional definition of news.
Also, why are people upset that MMORPG wants to give its staff more time to play a game before forcing them to write an official "review"? Of course any sensible website that has made that decision is going to want to give people a little bit in the meantime to keep them satisfied until the official review is published. That's just the way they do things. If you don't like their business paradigm, stop trolling and hijacking the forums.
News
Pronunciation: ?nüz, ?nyüz
Function: noun plural but singular in construction
Usage: often attributive
Date: 15th century
1 a: a report of recent events b: previously unknown information <I've got news for you> c: something having a specified influence or effect <the rain was good news for lawns and gardens — Garrison Keillor> <the virus was bad news>2 a: material reported in a newspaper or news periodical or on a newscast b: matter that is newsworthy
Editorial:
n.
1. An article in a publication expressing the opinion of its editors or publishers.
2. A commentary on television or radio expressing the opinion of the station or network.
adj.
1. Of or relating to an editor or editing: an editorial position with a publishing company; an editorial policy prohibiting the use of unnamed sources.
2. Of or resembling an editorial, especially in expressing an opinion: an editorial comment.
Editorial was the label we used as long ago as 1830 to designate a statement of the editor's opinion. "The great green table in the centre groaning under the weight of editorials, and friendly correspondence," was mentioned in the Collegian of Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1830. Even earlier, in 1802, we find reference to "the editorial part of the paper."
By the turn of the twentieth century, newspapers had designated a separate editorial page for editorials and letters to the editor. Even the location of the editorial page is distinctive: it is always a left-hand page, usually in the front section. Modern newspapers have expanded this space by using the facing page for lengthier opinions by columnists and guest writers. They call this op-ed, that is, opposite the editorial page, a feature introduced by Herbert Bayard Swope in the New York World of the 1920s.
Technically, its not even a Editorial, its little more than an elevated blog piece. This, however was not the main point of my post. But you asked for it. Have a good day.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
You just hit the nail on the head for me,I've been reading this site for years now and I have never ever read a bad review for a game and the funny thing is take a crappy console game and if it is no fun no one will play it take a crappy mmo and people will defend it to it's grave or to their utter embarassment sugar coating things isn't going to stop fanbois from markig out for these games so why keep making certain official staff doesn't provide truly objoective reviews as opposed to the "opinion" pieces we get or atleast post from both sides which as I've said I can't recall a bad review of a game here.
As much as I've posted in the last few months me and Mrbloodworth have probably disagreed here and there but he is right in a newspaper the ops are labeled as such not news tv is much different in america but if I'm reading news in the newspaper it is clearly obvious what is an opinion piece and what's not.
In the first line I think blood said it was a well written piece it was the first thing he said and I haven't heard him make any proclamations about the game not once did he point out anything bad about it he just said which I agree with that MORPG needs to take a stand and stop acting as if they are going to the prom with every dev in the business some games are lacking and that needs to be stated in a clear concise and honest review not an opinion and as stated MMORPG really doesn't do that look up aoc reviews if you don't believe me.
Example is game informer those are reviews and that is news someones opinion of a game is not news sorry.
Now as far as darkfall goes I haven't played so I can't down it but I can say it is obviously not a finished product and I refuse to pay to beta anyones game and I would hope that mmorpg can respect my hits enough to not post things in ways crafted to get me to throw good money after bad which right now they don't really have a problem with.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Would someone please define news instead of just throwing it around having no idea how the term is used? The ignorance on this website never ceases to amaze me. How do the opinions of someone who has played a game for an hour qualify as news more than the opinions of someone who has played it for days or weeks? Most "reviews" are from someone who has played a game for a very short amount of time, so the argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, in addition to the fact that it ignores the traditional definition of news. Also, why are people upset that MMORPG wants to give its staff more time to play a game before forcing them to write an official "review"? Of course any sensible website that has made that decision is going to want to give people a little bit in the meantime to keep them satisfied until the official review is published. That's just the way they do things. If you don't like their business paradigm, stop trolling and hijacking the forums.
Do you know for a fact that's the reason why there hasn't been a review for Darkfall yet? If so, why are some games reviewed within WEEKS of launch, while others are reviewed MONTHS after launch? I remember Jon Wood mentioning that one game review (AOC or Vanguard.. can't remember) was delayed because they didn't have anyone to write the review at the time. Obviously that is not the case here.
I'd like to see some consistancy on this site.
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Would someone please define news instead of just throwing it around having no idea how the term is used? The ignorance on this website never ceases to amaze me. How do the opinions of someone who has played a game for an hour qualify as news more than the opinions of someone who has played it for days or weeks? Most "reviews" are from someone who has played a game for a very short amount of time, so the argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, in addition to the fact that it ignores the traditional definition of news. Also, why are people upset that MMORPG wants to give its staff more time to play a game before forcing them to write an official "review"? Of course any sensible website that has made that decision is going to want to give people a little bit in the meantime to keep them satisfied until the official review is published. That's just the way they do things. If you don't like their business paradigm, stop trolling and hijacking the forums.
Do you know for a fact that's the reason why there hasn't been a review for Darkfall yet? If so, why are some games reviewed within WEEKS of launch, while others are reviewed MONTHS after launch? I remember Jon Wood mentioning that one game review (AOC or Vanguard.. can't remember) was delayed because they didn't have anyone to write the review at the time. Obviously that is not the case here.
I'd like to see some consistancy on this site.
Since I read the entire thread before posting, I know that an employee of MMORPG said that it was, and I don't have any credible reason not to believe him. You obviously think that you do, or alternatively may not have read what he wrote.
Consistency is a topic for a different thread. Feel free to start that thread, if you'd like, and I'm sure people will respond. Political tirades against the site don't belong here.
Would someone please define news instead of just throwing it around having no idea how the term is used? The ignorance on this website never ceases to amaze me. How do the opinions of someone who has played a game for an hour qualify as news more than the opinions of someone who has played it for days or weeks? Most "reviews" are from someone who has played a game for a very short amount of time, so the argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, in addition to the fact that it ignores the traditional definition of news. Also, why are people upset that MMORPG wants to give its staff more time to play a game before forcing them to write an official "review"? Of course any sensible website that has made that decision is going to want to give people a little bit in the meantime to keep them satisfied until the official review is published. That's just the way they do things. If you don't like their business paradigm, stop trolling and hijacking the forums.
Do you know for a fact that's the reason why there hasn't been a review for Darkfall yet? If so, why are some games reviewed within WEEKS of launch, while others are reviewed MONTHS after launch? I remember Jon Wood mentioning that one game review (AOC or Vanguard.. can't remember) was delayed because they didn't have anyone to write the review at the time. Obviously that is not the case here.
I'd like to see some consistancy on this site.
Since I read the entire thread before posting, I know that an employee of MMORPG said that it was, and I don't have any credible reason not to believe him. You obviously think that you do, or alternatively may not have read what he wrote.
Consistency is a topic for a different thread. Feel free to start that thread, if you'd like, and I'm sure people will respond. Political tirades against the site don't belong here.
This wasn't known until this thread. Its fine that they are giving time. No one has an issue with that, well, i don't, but i only speak for me.
This also, is not the first time people, myself included, have asked for a review by a professional journalist before opinion pices.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
This wasn't known until this thread. Its fine that they are giving time. No one has an issue with that, well, i don't, but i only speak for me. This also, is not the first time people, myself included, have asked for a review by a professional journalist before opinion pices.
Do you consider the Eurogamer review that gave the game a 2 out of 10 professional? That thing was riddled with so many inaccuracies it was laughable. The guy literally complained about laying the ground bleeding out for 60 seconds in one of his captions, when almost every noob knows you can press the spacebar to release. There are countless other examples in his article that make it obvious he spent little time and effort playing the game, or came in with a predisposition against it.
I haven't posted here in a while because I've been busy Playing the game which I have been enjoying immensily since I got my raft.. Anyways I guess things haven't changed here much.. Same old same old with the trolls. It's amazing how people get so fired up over a video game.. If you hate it so much just go worry about something else.. I'f you don't like this website just go to another one. Actualy the people here posting how much they think the game sucks or hate it are only making it more popular. lol
The Eurogamer Darkfall review is a good example at someone not looking at the "culture chock". They just wrote as if it was a WoW clone and how it was a bad WoW clone. So if you want to think of DF as a PvE MMO, the Eurogamer review is much better. This article is made by someone that does not compare DF to a ordinary PvE MMO. And can see what it really is.
Good lord, not even. You have to have some serious blinders if you think this is the case. They wrote a review of the game, it as an entry into this space, and There was very little opinion in that article, most comments where about the sad state of its construction and design in this day and age.
You REALLY need to get off this "Us" VS "Them" mentality. Thinking somehow PvE anf PvP are some sort of segment of gamers, gamers are gamers, there are good games, and there are bad games.
When you say "this space", you seem to indicate the mmo space. Well, what is that supposed to be? Are they trying to be a better WOW with full loot pvp? Were they supposed to? Or are they trying to create a different space?
I haven't played the game and I don't know if I would like it (world looks ok, the avatars atrocious imo). But that being said it seems to me they were trying to create something different entirely from the current preconception of what a mmo is or should be. Did they succeed? Again, haven't played it thus I don't know.
Well, as is the case with most games, we're giving our reviewer time to actually play and experience the game properly so that they can create the review that you're so hot and heavy for but proper reviews take time.
You don't like opinion pieces when those opinions don't jiive with your own, I get that. You make it abundantly clear in every single related thread. My suggestion to you would be to not read correspondent articles, which are opinion pieces by their nature. Here's the thing: Whie this kind of article doesn't make your personal socks roll up and down, they are quite popular and are heavily read. It's not as though we're not working on getting a review out to you, but that doesn't preclude covering the games from the players' perspective via our Correspondent program. Seriously, just don't read any articles that introduce themselves as Correspondent articles and you should be fine.
I frankly fail to see how other people enjoying a game that you don't happen to think is very good offends you so much. For now though, you've been told that there is a review coming. There is no need to continually derail comment threads on articles that you aren't interested in anyway.
Thanks.
This is quite shocking to say the least. I am dumbfounded how you can tell your readers, regardless of who it is, not to read articles on your site. Opinion peices or not, people come here to read the news and information on the home page. If you do not want it to be read, why even post it. Telling 1 person, 5 people, or your whole audience to not read some opinionated material is sad to say the least. Have you ever read a newspaper who states, "Don't read page B-13, because it might hurt your feelings?". That's how you plainly put it. Now i know this is your site, and your free to post whatever you want. But your starting to shoot your credibility in the foot. The only reason these articles are quite popular, is because you make them so. You post them on the front page, were most people view your site from. If these articles had to be seached for, you can bet they wouldn't be found nor be popular. You derailed your own thread by even replying to said poster instead of sending him a PM. I really don't know what else to say, you said it yourself. Quit reading this site, because that is what you want us to do, right? Can this site get anymore ......
And I just read a few post's above, and look who you have saying the same thing. Your spotlighted blogger, Paragus. You mind as well spotlight the spam adder's here, because they are atleast not making vien attempts to get people not to read this site. And let's not talk about hating "these" type video games. You can read my post history and see I love video games to death. If I played DF, i'm sure I would love it to. This is moreso about this site.
I would like to say first that this site is my main site for news by choice. I think the writers write well and the site is layed out well. Secondly, I was never gonna play Darkfall and am not interested in playing it. It is just a game and I am adult enough to know everyone's tastes differ. That is fine. what I have a complaint about is the number of opinion peices making my news feed for this site about darkfall. Fine I relaize darkfall is out there but these peices are offering nothing new to the news site. It is becoming like a personal advertisement site for Darkfall. There is a place for all these darkfall blogs and that is in the darkfall forums. This has nothing to do with liking or hating the game but I am at the point now when I would even relish the articles on all the F2P games just please no more Darkfall blogs as frontpage news. Please.
If we are to get opinion peices can they please offer a little more varity. I personally would love to read opinion peices on some of the top rated games on this site. How about some opinion peices on this week' mover and shakers on this site. It is just starting to be over the top that a game by an independant game developer that has limited copies to buy and still not a large sub base to get this much front page attention. Please
Let me preface this by saying, I love this site. I've come here every day for years to read the articles and check the messageboards, though I have never felt the need to post myself before.
That being said, this article was trash.
Its entire purpose seemed to be defending the game from people who attack it. I don't know much about the game, and after reading the article, I still don't know much about it. All I know is whoever wrote it was really excited about it (from the spam of exclamation marks they litter the article with) and that the game isn't generally well liked as he feel's the need to repeatedly throw in comments "address[ing] the surge of negativity during beta and since". He makes general comparisons between it and the rest of the mmo market, saying how much better Darkfall does things then other games. Its hard to believe this game really does everything better then all of the other mmo's out there, yet the author refuses to mention even the smallest of problems that the game has (unless its to say that it was a problem, but its fixed now!).
In the end, it just feels like a fanboi's ranting. I was really dissapointed reading this article and I am hoping that the trend doesn't continue. For whatever reason, Darkfall has always been a hotbutton issue on this site, but I never really thought it would affect the staff as well. I'm going to chalk it up to just being a poorly written article and hope to not see any more like it.
Well, as is the case with most games, we're giving our reviewer time to actually play and experience the game properly so that they can create the review that you're so hot and heavy for but proper reviews take time.
You don't like opinion pieces when those opinions don't jiive with your own, I get that. You make it abundantly clear in every single related thread. My suggestion to you would be to not read correspondent articles, which are opinion pieces by their nature. Here's the thing: Whie this kind of article doesn't make your personal socks roll up and down, they are quite popular and are heavily read. It's not as though we're not working on getting a review out to you, but that doesn't preclude covering the games from the players' perspective via our Correspondent program. Seriously, just don't read any articles that introduce themselves as Correspondent articles and you should be fine.
I frankly fail to see how other people enjoying a game that you don't happen to think is very good offends you so much. For now though, you've been told that there is a review coming. There is no need to continually derail comment threads on articles that you aren't interested in anyway.
Thanks.
This is quite shocking to say the least. I am dumbfounded how you can tell your readers, regardless of who it is, not to read articles on your site. Opinion peices or not, people come here to read the news and information on the home page. If you do not want it to be read, why even post it. Telling 1 person, 5 people, or your whole audience to not read some opinionated material is sad to say the least. Have you ever read a newspaper who states, "Don't read page B-13, because it might hurt your feelings?". That's how you plainly put it. Now i know this is your site, and your free to post whatever you want. But your starting to shoot your credibility in the foot. The only reason these articles are quite popular, is because you make them so. You post them on the front page, were most people view your site from. If these articles had to be seached for, you can bet they wouldn't be found nor be popular. You derailed your own thread by even replying to said poster instead of sending him a PM. I really don't know what else to say, you said it yourself. Quit reading this site, because that is what you want us to do, right? Can this site get anymore ......
And I just read a few post's above, and look who you have saying the same thing. Your spotlighted blogger, Paragus. You mind as well spotlight the spam adder's here, because they are atleast not making vien attempts to get people not to read this site. And let's not talk about hating "these" type video games. You can read my post history and see I love video games to death. If I played DF, i'm sure I would love it to. This is moreso about this site.
Going to have to agree with mackdawg19 on this one.
I was under the impression that each person's opinion was just as valuable as anyone elses. Apparently that only applies if it makes your "socks roll up and down".
Sorry... but the thread got derailed by... Stradden.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Let me preface this by saying, I love this site. I've come here every day for years to read the articles and check the messageboards, though I have never felt the need to post myself before. That being said, this article was trash. Its entire purpose seemed to be defending the game from people who attack it. I don't know much about the game, and after reading the article, I still don't know much about it. All I know is whoever wrote it was really excited about it (from the spam of exclamation marks they litter the article with) and that the game isn't generally well liked as he feel's the need to repeatedly throw in comments "address[ing] the surge of negativity during beta and since". He makes general comparisons between it and the rest of the mmo market, saying how much better Darkfall does things then other games. Its hard to believe this game really does everything better then all of the other mmo's out there, yet the author refuses to mention even the smallest of problems that the game has (unless its to say that it was a problem, but its fixed now!). In the end, it just feels like a fanboi's ranting. I was really dissapointed reading this article and I am hoping that the trend doesn't continue. For whatever reason, Darkfall has always been a hotbutton issue on this site, but I never really thought it would affect the staff as well. I'm going to chalk it up to just being a poorly written article and hope to not see any more like it.
Glad to see you come out and post your opinion! This is seriously getting out of hand. It's spotlight blog after blog and now "editorials" about this game that is not even by normal standards actually a released game. The unprofessionalism of Stradden and staff on this site is really getting out of control. But then again, he already told us if we don't like it we should leave. Guess I he made it pretty obvious to his readers where the door is if we don't like it. Embarrassing. PM your quarrels with specific individuals next time, what you wrote here was way out of line.
I didn't play in the beta, and I came in with only expection that it was a sandbox FFA pvp game that uses FPS combat.
I play 2 genres of games.
FPS
MMO. I prefer pvp mmo's, FFA mostly. I played lineage two for about 3 years.
Darkfall is both a bad MMO and a bad FPS game.
To write that a mechanic of a game isn't supposed to be fun, as the author did about crafting is just incredible.
According to Av the crafting process is supposed to not only be fun, but intuitive, indepth and non repetitive. The only part they got right was non repetitive.
My first week into the game I thought it was the best MMO I'd played. It was ffa pvp with fps; I thought that was enough.
Two weeks in and the game was great, still not a problem. Some of the bugs are annoying me, but I can get past that.
One month in and I'm wondering where the hell the living mobs are at.
I'm getting tired of exploring an incredibly empty world, and having no reason to kill another player other then to kill them.
I join a clan. I siege. I defend our city.
Two months later.
The game is incredibly shallow. Entirely more linear then any sandbox game should be. Linear enough that I completely disagree with the idea that the game is a sandbox, it's not.
There are only a few things you can be, and to say nearly infinite is a gross exageration.
The combat mechanics are truelly the worst I have ever experienced in any FPS game, and for a game that is focused entirely on clan warefare that's not good.
Sorry, but it really was. It's sad how bad some articles on this site can be compared to others. The difference in quality by one staff member from the other is night and day. I feel I can be so well informed about one game, like the Jumpgate Evolution article that was recently featured, and then be left completely in the dark with someone else giving what is clearly an opinion on why they think Darkfall is a gift to mmo's. It's reminiscent of how AoC opinion "reviews" were given in parts when the game was released.
I think Mrbloodworth just wants to point out that Opinions are not News. News should go in the News Section and Opinions should stick to the Opinions Section.... which does make lots of sense.
He also clearly doesn't hate the game. He believes that everybody has their preferate game and it is OK and respects it.
According to MMORPG.com's forum policy, what Stradden did was retaliation, and he is - therefore - eligible for a ban. xD
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This site is going to look even more lame than usual when more reviews of Darkfall come out and don't match up with the rosy picture your writers are painting in these ridiculous puff pieces. Hope you guys are cashing in on all the marketing you're doing for these companies...
Warning: Here comes a generic, very subjective (but still true) statement about the game. If you can't handle it skip over the first few lines, keep your rage bottled up for a moment, and please hear me out.
I think Mrbloodworth just wants to point out that Opinions are not News. News should go in the News Section and Opinions should stick to the Opinions Section.... which does make lots of sense.
He also clearly doesn't hate the game. He believes that everybody has their preferate game and it is OK and respects it.
Agreed. The whole game correspondent thing is a bad idea. The DFO articles reek of fanboism and shouldn't be featured on the mainpage. No offense to any of the correspondents, but I don't care what some fanboi thinks about the game he's playing. What I do care about are factual, unbiased information and news posted by people who at least try to be objective.
There is no doubt that the article was based on the opinion of the writer who may be a fan of Darkfall.
Perhaps he was bit defensive due to the embarrassing lack of maturity the MMORPG posting community displays, just do a random sample of any of the sub forums for a particular game and you will find unending threads of people trashing everything and trumping any adult debate with accusations of fanboism.
Honestly the site if FREE, no one pays anything to come here and if you don't like the brand of news then take the Editors advice and just don't read articles about games you don't like....just like your Grandma says. If you can't say something nice about then don't post anything at all.
It is amazing how self important people have become, you are coming to a PRIVATELY owned free MMO site and complaining that the Editor is posting too many opinion based articles about games you don't like. The interwebs are a big place I sure there must be other places you can haunt, if hearing about games from people that enjoy playing them isn’t your thing.
The sad thing is the late 90's version of UO virtually blows away Darkfall. Darkfall might be a decent game in the future, but Aventurine has a long way to go to get there.
But, BUT, B-U-T, ... will you count on AV to deliver in the future?
8 years, time and money, and you got this, as compared with what they promised.
How much longer will you wait, and count on them for something that is worth waiting?
I think Mrbloodworth just wants to point out that Opinions are not News. News should go in the News Section and Opinions should stick to the Opinions Section.... which does make lots of sense.
He also clearly doesn't hate the game. He believes that everybody has their preferate game and it is OK and respects it.
Agreed. The whole game correspondent thing is a bad idea. The DFO articles reek of fanboism and shouldn't be featured on the mainpage. No offense to any of the correspondents, but I don't care what some fanboi thinks about the game he's playing. What I do care about are factual, unbiased information and news posted by people who at least try to be objective.
There are less biased and fairly readable comment, hidden behind piles of crap from fanboys. Just need patience to slowly dig them out. AND they are really rare.
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Actually, I have to agree with Mrbloodworth and everyone that agrees with him. There should be a review before any "opinions" are posted and they should not be posted as "News".
Also reading the references to "one of the most hardcore MMO's" and references to "Carebears".... reminds me of the "elitist" Darkfall community.
Hardcore is what you make of it.... any MMO can be hardcore.. it's all in how you play it.
Would someone please define news instead of just throwing it around having no idea how the term is used? The ignorance on this website never ceases to amaze me. How do the opinions of someone who has played a game for an hour qualify as news more than the opinions of someone who has played it for days or weeks? Most "reviews" are from someone who has played a game for a very short amount of time, so the argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, in addition to the fact that it ignores the traditional definition of news.
Also, why are people upset that MMORPG wants to give its staff more time to play a game before forcing them to write an official "review"? Of course any sensible website that has made that decision is going to want to give people a little bit in the meantime to keep them satisfied until the official review is published. That's just the way they do things. If you don't like their business paradigm, stop trolling and hijacking the forums.
News
Pronunciation: ?nüz, ?nyüz
Function: noun plural but singular in construction
Usage: often attributive
Date: 15th century
1 a: a report of recent events b: previously unknown information <I've got news for you> c: something having a specified influence or effect <the rain was good news for lawns and gardens — Garrison Keillor> <the virus was bad news>2 a: material reported in a newspaper or news periodical or on a newscast b: matter that is newsworthy
Editorial:
n.
1. An article in a publication expressing the opinion of its editors or publishers.
2. A commentary on television or radio expressing the opinion of the station or network.
adj.
1. Of or relating to an editor or editing: an editorial position with a publishing company; an editorial policy prohibiting the use of unnamed sources.
2. Of or resembling an editorial, especially in expressing an opinion: an editorial comment.
Editorial was the label we used as long ago as 1830 to designate a statement of the editor's opinion. "The great green table in the centre groaning under the weight of editorials, and friendly correspondence," was mentioned in the Collegian of Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1830. Even earlier, in 1802, we find reference to "the editorial part of the paper."
By the turn of the twentieth century, newspapers had designated a separate editorial page for editorials and letters to the editor. Even the location of the editorial page is distinctive: it is always a left-hand page, usually in the front section. Modern newspapers have expanded this space by using the facing page for lengthier opinions by columnists and guest writers. They call this op-ed, that is, opposite the editorial page, a feature introduced by Herbert Bayard Swope in the New York World of the 1920s.
Technically, its not even a Editorial, its little more than an elevated blog piece. This, however was not the main point of my post. But you asked for it. Have a good day.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
You just hit the nail on the head for me,I've been reading this site for years now and I have never ever read a bad review for a game and the funny thing is take a crappy console game and if it is no fun no one will play it take a crappy mmo and people will defend it to it's grave or to their utter embarassment sugar coating things isn't going to stop fanbois from markig out for these games so why keep making certain official staff doesn't provide truly objoective reviews as opposed to the "opinion" pieces we get or atleast post from both sides which as I've said I can't recall a bad review of a game here.
As much as I've posted in the last few months me and Mrbloodworth have probably disagreed here and there but he is right in a newspaper the ops are labeled as such not news tv is much different in america but if I'm reading news in the newspaper it is clearly obvious what is an opinion piece and what's not.
In the first line I think blood said it was a well written piece it was the first thing he said and I haven't heard him make any proclamations about the game not once did he point out anything bad about it he just said which I agree with that MORPG needs to take a stand and stop acting as if they are going to the prom with every dev in the business some games are lacking and that needs to be stated in a clear concise and honest review not an opinion and as stated MMORPG really doesn't do that look up aoc reviews if you don't believe me.
Example is game informer those are reviews and that is news someones opinion of a game is not news sorry.
Now as far as darkfall goes I haven't played so I can't down it but I can say it is obviously not a finished product and I refuse to pay to beta anyones game and I would hope that mmorpg can respect my hits enough to not post things in ways crafted to get me to throw good money after bad which right now they don't really have a problem with.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Do you know for a fact that's the reason why there hasn't been a review for Darkfall yet? If so, why are some games reviewed within WEEKS of launch, while others are reviewed MONTHS after launch? I remember Jon Wood mentioning that one game review (AOC or Vanguard.. can't remember) was delayed because they didn't have anyone to write the review at the time. Obviously that is not the case here.
I'd like to see some consistancy on this site.
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Do you know for a fact that's the reason why there hasn't been a review for Darkfall yet? If so, why are some games reviewed within WEEKS of launch, while others are reviewed MONTHS after launch? I remember Jon Wood mentioning that one game review (AOC or Vanguard.. can't remember) was delayed because they didn't have anyone to write the review at the time. Obviously that is not the case here.
I'd like to see some consistancy on this site.
Since I read the entire thread before posting, I know that an employee of MMORPG said that it was, and I don't have any credible reason not to believe him. You obviously think that you do, or alternatively may not have read what he wrote.
Consistency is a topic for a different thread. Feel free to start that thread, if you'd like, and I'm sure people will respond. Political tirades against the site don't belong here.
Do you know for a fact that's the reason why there hasn't been a review for Darkfall yet? If so, why are some games reviewed within WEEKS of launch, while others are reviewed MONTHS after launch? I remember Jon Wood mentioning that one game review (AOC or Vanguard.. can't remember) was delayed because they didn't have anyone to write the review at the time. Obviously that is not the case here.
I'd like to see some consistancy on this site.
Since I read the entire thread before posting, I know that an employee of MMORPG said that it was, and I don't have any credible reason not to believe him. You obviously think that you do, or alternatively may not have read what he wrote.
Consistency is a topic for a different thread. Feel free to start that thread, if you'd like, and I'm sure people will respond. Political tirades against the site don't belong here.
This wasn't known until this thread. Its fine that they are giving time. No one has an issue with that, well, i don't, but i only speak for me.
This also, is not the first time people, myself included, have asked for a review by a professional journalist before opinion pices.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Do you consider the Eurogamer review that gave the game a 2 out of 10 professional? That thing was riddled with so many inaccuracies it was laughable. The guy literally complained about laying the ground bleeding out for 60 seconds in one of his captions, when almost every noob knows you can press the spacebar to release. There are countless other examples in his article that make it obvious he spent little time and effort playing the game, or came in with a predisposition against it.
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I haven't posted here in a while because I've been busy Playing the game which I have been enjoying immensily since I got my raft.. Anyways I guess things haven't changed here much.. Same old same old with the trolls. It's amazing how people get so fired up over a video game.. If you hate it so much just go worry about something else.. I'f you don't like this website just go to another one. Actualy the people here posting how much they think the game sucks or hate it are only making it more popular. lol
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Yea I saw that review it was laughable. The guy didn't even know how to play the game lol. Spacebar 4tw
Good lord, not even. You have to have some serious blinders if you think this is the case. They wrote a review of the game, it as an entry into this space, and There was very little opinion in that article, most comments where about the sad state of its construction and design in this day and age.
You REALLY need to get off this "Us" VS "Them" mentality. Thinking somehow PvE anf PvP are some sort of segment of gamers, gamers are gamers, there are good games, and there are bad games.
When you say "this space", you seem to indicate the mmo space. Well, what is that supposed to be? Are they trying to be a better WOW with full loot pvp? Were they supposed to? Or are they trying to create a different space?
I haven't played the game and I don't know if I would like it (world looks ok, the avatars atrocious imo). But that being said it seems to me they were trying to create something different entirely from the current preconception of what a mmo is or should be. Did they succeed? Again, haven't played it thus I don't know.
Well, as is the case with most games, we're giving our reviewer time to actually play and experience the game properly so that they can create the review that you're so hot and heavy for but proper reviews take time.
You don't like opinion pieces when those opinions don't jiive with your own, I get that. You make it abundantly clear in every single related thread. My suggestion to you would be to not read correspondent articles, which are opinion pieces by their nature. Here's the thing: Whie this kind of article doesn't make your personal socks roll up and down, they are quite popular and are heavily read. It's not as though we're not working on getting a review out to you, but that doesn't preclude covering the games from the players' perspective via our Correspondent program. Seriously, just don't read any articles that introduce themselves as Correspondent articles and you should be fine.
I frankly fail to see how other people enjoying a game that you don't happen to think is very good offends you so much. For now though, you've been told that there is a review coming. There is no need to continually derail comment threads on articles that you aren't interested in anyway.
Thanks.
This is quite shocking to say the least. I am dumbfounded how you can tell your readers, regardless of who it is, not to read articles on your site. Opinion peices or not, people come here to read the news and information on the home page. If you do not want it to be read, why even post it. Telling 1 person, 5 people, or your whole audience to not read some opinionated material is sad to say the least. Have you ever read a newspaper who states, "Don't read page B-13, because it might hurt your feelings?". That's how you plainly put it. Now i know this is your site, and your free to post whatever you want. But your starting to shoot your credibility in the foot. The only reason these articles are quite popular, is because you make them so. You post them on the front page, were most people view your site from. If these articles had to be seached for, you can bet they wouldn't be found nor be popular. You derailed your own thread by even replying to said poster instead of sending him a PM. I really don't know what else to say, you said it yourself. Quit reading this site, because that is what you want us to do, right? Can this site get anymore ......
And I just read a few post's above, and look who you have saying the same thing. Your spotlighted blogger, Paragus. You mind as well spotlight the spam adder's here, because they are atleast not making vien attempts to get people not to read this site. And let's not talk about hating "these" type video games. You can read my post history and see I love video games to death. If I played DF, i'm sure I would love it to. This is moreso about this site.
I would like to say first that this site is my main site for news by choice. I think the writers write well and the site is layed out well. Secondly, I was never gonna play Darkfall and am not interested in playing it. It is just a game and I am adult enough to know everyone's tastes differ. That is fine. what I have a complaint about is the number of opinion peices making my news feed for this site about darkfall. Fine I relaize darkfall is out there but these peices are offering nothing new to the news site. It is becoming like a personal advertisement site for Darkfall. There is a place for all these darkfall blogs and that is in the darkfall forums. This has nothing to do with liking or hating the game but I am at the point now when I would even relish the articles on all the F2P games just please no more Darkfall blogs as frontpage news. Please.
If we are to get opinion peices can they please offer a little more varity. I personally would love to read opinion peices on some of the top rated games on this site. How about some opinion peices on this week' mover and shakers on this site. It is just starting to be over the top that a game by an independant game developer that has limited copies to buy and still not a large sub base to get this much front page attention. Please
Let me preface this by saying, I love this site. I've come here every day for years to read the articles and check the messageboards, though I have never felt the need to post myself before.
That being said, this article was trash.
Its entire purpose seemed to be defending the game from people who attack it. I don't know much about the game, and after reading the article, I still don't know much about it. All I know is whoever wrote it was really excited about it (from the spam of exclamation marks they litter the article with) and that the game isn't generally well liked as he feel's the need to repeatedly throw in comments "address[ing] the surge of negativity during beta and since". He makes general comparisons between it and the rest of the mmo market, saying how much better Darkfall does things then other games. Its hard to believe this game really does everything better then all of the other mmo's out there, yet the author refuses to mention even the smallest of problems that the game has (unless its to say that it was a problem, but its fixed now!).
In the end, it just feels like a fanboi's ranting. I was really dissapointed reading this article and I am hoping that the trend doesn't continue. For whatever reason, Darkfall has always been a hotbutton issue on this site, but I never really thought it would affect the staff as well. I'm going to chalk it up to just being a poorly written article and hope to not see any more like it.
Well, as is the case with most games, we're giving our reviewer time to actually play and experience the game properly so that they can create the review that you're so hot and heavy for but proper reviews take time.
You don't like opinion pieces when those opinions don't jiive with your own, I get that. You make it abundantly clear in every single related thread. My suggestion to you would be to not read correspondent articles, which are opinion pieces by their nature. Here's the thing: Whie this kind of article doesn't make your personal socks roll up and down, they are quite popular and are heavily read. It's not as though we're not working on getting a review out to you, but that doesn't preclude covering the games from the players' perspective via our Correspondent program. Seriously, just don't read any articles that introduce themselves as Correspondent articles and you should be fine.
I frankly fail to see how other people enjoying a game that you don't happen to think is very good offends you so much. For now though, you've been told that there is a review coming. There is no need to continually derail comment threads on articles that you aren't interested in anyway.
Thanks.
This is quite shocking to say the least. I am dumbfounded how you can tell your readers, regardless of who it is, not to read articles on your site. Opinion peices or not, people come here to read the news and information on the home page. If you do not want it to be read, why even post it. Telling 1 person, 5 people, or your whole audience to not read some opinionated material is sad to say the least. Have you ever read a newspaper who states, "Don't read page B-13, because it might hurt your feelings?". That's how you plainly put it. Now i know this is your site, and your free to post whatever you want. But your starting to shoot your credibility in the foot. The only reason these articles are quite popular, is because you make them so. You post them on the front page, were most people view your site from. If these articles had to be seached for, you can bet they wouldn't be found nor be popular. You derailed your own thread by even replying to said poster instead of sending him a PM. I really don't know what else to say, you said it yourself. Quit reading this site, because that is what you want us to do, right? Can this site get anymore ......
And I just read a few post's above, and look who you have saying the same thing. Your spotlighted blogger, Paragus. You mind as well spotlight the spam adder's here, because they are atleast not making vien attempts to get people not to read this site. And let's not talk about hating "these" type video games. You can read my post history and see I love video games to death. If I played DF, i'm sure I would love it to. This is moreso about this site.
Going to have to agree with mackdawg19 on this one.
I was under the impression that each person's opinion was just as valuable as anyone elses. Apparently that only applies if it makes your "socks roll up and down".
Sorry... but the thread got derailed by... Stradden.
The article was not trash.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Glad to see you come out and post your opinion! This is seriously getting out of hand. It's spotlight blog after blog and now "editorials" about this game that is not even by normal standards actually a released game. The unprofessionalism of Stradden and staff on this site is really getting out of control. But then again, he already told us if we don't like it we should leave. Guess I he made it pretty obvious to his readers where the door is if we don't like it. Embarrassing. PM your quarrels with specific individuals next time, what you wrote here was way out of line.
I've invested 2 months into the game.
I didn't play in the beta, and I came in with only expection that it was a sandbox FFA pvp game that uses FPS combat.
I play 2 genres of games.
FPS
MMO. I prefer pvp mmo's, FFA mostly. I played lineage two for about 3 years.
Darkfall is both a bad MMO and a bad FPS game.
To write that a mechanic of a game isn't supposed to be fun, as the author did about crafting is just incredible.
According to Av the crafting process is supposed to not only be fun, but intuitive, indepth and non repetitive. The only part they got right was non repetitive.
My first week into the game I thought it was the best MMO I'd played. It was ffa pvp with fps; I thought that was enough.
Two weeks in and the game was great, still not a problem. Some of the bugs are annoying me, but I can get past that.
One month in and I'm wondering where the hell the living mobs are at.
I'm getting tired of exploring an incredibly empty world, and having no reason to kill another player other then to kill them.
I join a clan. I siege. I defend our city.
Two months later.
The game is incredibly shallow. Entirely more linear then any sandbox game should be. Linear enough that I completely disagree with the idea that the game is a sandbox, it's not.
There are only a few things you can be, and to say nearly infinite is a gross exageration.
The combat mechanics are truelly the worst I have ever experienced in any FPS game, and for a game that is focused entirely on clan warefare that's not good.
The sad thing is the late 90's version of UO virtually blows away Darkfall.
Darkfall might be a decent game in the future, but Aventurine has a long way to go to get there.
The article was not trash.
Sorry, but it really was. It's sad how bad some articles on this site can be compared to others. The difference in quality by one staff member from the other is night and day. I feel I can be so well informed about one game, like the Jumpgate Evolution article that was recently featured, and then be left completely in the dark with someone else giving what is clearly an opinion on why they think Darkfall is a gift to mmo's. It's reminiscent of how AoC opinion "reviews" were given in parts when the game was released.
According to MMORPG.com's forum policy, what Stradden did was retaliation, and he is - therefore - eligible for a ban. xD
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This site is going to look even more lame than usual when more reviews of Darkfall come out and don't match up with the rosy picture your writers are painting in these ridiculous puff pieces. Hope you guys are cashing in on all the marketing you're doing for these companies...
Nice write up.
Warning: Here comes a generic, very subjective (but still true) statement about the game. If you can't handle it skip over the first few lines, keep your rage bottled up for a moment, and please hear me out.
Lol .......
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Agreed. The whole game correspondent thing is a bad idea. The DFO articles reek of fanboism and shouldn't be featured on the mainpage. No offense to any of the correspondents, but I don't care what some fanboi thinks about the game he's playing. What I do care about are factual, unbiased information and news posted by people who at least try to be objective.
There is no doubt that the article was based on the opinion of the writer who may be a fan of Darkfall.
Perhaps he was bit defensive due to the embarrassing lack of maturity the MMORPG posting community displays, just do a random sample of any of the sub forums for a particular game and you will find unending threads of people trashing everything and trumping any adult debate with accusations of fanboism.
Honestly the site if FREE, no one pays anything to come here and if you don't like the brand of news then take the Editors advice and just don't read articles about games you don't like....just like your Grandma says. If you can't say something nice about then don't post anything at all.
It is amazing how self important people have become, you are coming to a PRIVATELY owned free MMO site and complaining that the Editor is posting too many opinion based articles about games you don't like. The interwebs are a big place I sure there must be other places you can haunt, if hearing about games from people that enjoy playing them isn’t your thing.
But, BUT, B-U-T, ... will you count on AV to deliver in the future?
8 years, time and money, and you got this, as compared with what they promised.
How much longer will you wait, and count on them for something that is worth waiting?
Agreed. The whole game correspondent thing is a bad idea. The DFO articles reek of fanboism and shouldn't be featured on the mainpage. No offense to any of the correspondents, but I don't care what some fanboi thinks about the game he's playing. What I do care about are factual, unbiased information and news posted by people who at least try to be objective.
There are less biased and fairly readable comment, hidden behind piles of crap from fanboys. Just need patience to slowly dig them out. AND they are really rare.