It all depends what mindset you have in a game. If you flame this game your retarded because your looking at it from a different perspective than its meant to be looked at. This is a different game and people are trying to compare it to the industry standard.
I think it is rather you who is retarded and blind who can't see how outdated this games control and gfx engine is not to mention the almost completely empty continent. I ran from one side of the main continent to the other and 90% of the time I didn't see either a player nor an NPC.
This game is a joke and unproffesionally done and using the argument that it should be viewed differently just because it is an FFA sandbox game is retarded. That is no excuse for having crappy control, wierd UI and severly outdated gfx engine.
A game developer commenting on a review they get is one thing, but pulling out "facts" such as time played on an account is beyond pathetic. Also, the scoring policy of a gaming site is their internal issue -- you read the review and either agree or disagree. I found this particular review relatively well-written and entertaining and it also echoed quite a few of those concerns that have been surrounding Darkfall ever since beta. If the only thing a game has is PvP (as has been stated ad nauseum by those who state this is not a game for everyone, even the developer himself) and it is created sluggishly then what there is to recommend?
Sandboxyness? But if even the players themselves are openly admitting that there are somewhat limited tools to support this (sandbox) it is questionable whether it should grant points either. Graphics? Well, not to be harsh, but from the countless videos and screenshots that are readily available for everyone I can safely state that the graphics certainly wasn't the selling-point of this game. Sounds? Obviously, turning sounds off to reduce latency on fights means that they are in state-of-the-art condition. 20 billion player city-clashes? These certainly are a major selling point the day someone manages to show some evidence that such actually do occur (other than the game developer). In sum, considering the game an MMO with a twitch-based combat and failing to deliver on MMO and on combat leads to scores like this. Should it be 4/10, 1/10 or 2/10 in the end is pretty trivial.
haha this is Mourning all over again. Flaming sites that write an honest review of the game. I have played the game and that review is SPOT ON! Server logs my ass, what possible reason would Eurogamer have to slander an indie piece of crap company that noone has heard of before? Those of you who still believe that these "server logs" exist then ask yourself this: What other proof do you have for the server logs beside Tasos word that they exist and say what Tasos claim they do? Tasos has lied over and over again and this is for sure another lie. This game is an epic fail and Tasos reaction to the review further proves that.
I think that's a good point. Certainly Tasos has a motive to lie. I'm not familiar with him so maybe there are others that can attest to his truthfulness.
All who play DF at the moment know that the cake is a lie.
Cake is a lie.
Besides the point: whatever you think of Tasos making the post I still believe the EG review is far from the truth - 2/10? Not even close, I would have understood 6/10 from WoW fanboy.
All who play DF at the moment know that the cake is a lie. Cake is a lie. Besides the point: whatever you think of Tasos making the post I still believe the EG review is far from the truth - 2/10? Not even close, I would have understood 6/10 from WoW fanboy.
Can you provide anything apart from your unsubstantiated view? At least Tasos cook up the idea of server logs.
What do you have? Just your empty words? Trying to flame and insult at once, trying to bring in WoW, hoping anti-WoW sentiments will give your side some benefits? What other tricks can you come up with?
Carebear, retarded .... name calling maybe? What else?
Tasos mentioned that the 2/10 was the lowest ever review Eurogamer had given and that's just not true. I'm a games programmer and worked on the game You're In the Movies which came out last year for the 360. Eurogamer gave us a 2/10 because they couldn't setup the game correctly!
As I understand it, we asked for a re-review (most reviewers gave us around 6/10) but they refused.
So, as much as I feel its quite pathetic of Tasos to complain publicly about a review, I have to agree that sometimes Eurogamer can be unfairly harsh and somewhat opinionated.
haha this is Mourning all over again. Flaming sites that write an honest review of the game. I have played the game and that review is SPOT ON! Server logs my ass, what possible reason would Eurogamer have to slander an indie piece of crap company that noone has heard of before? Those of you who still believe that these "server logs" exist then ask yourself this: What other proof do you have for the server logs beside Tasos word that they exist and say what Tasos claim they do? Tasos has lied over and over again and this is for sure another lie. This game is an epic fail and Tasos reaction to the review further proves that.
I think that's a good point. Certainly Tasos has a motive to lie. I'm not familiar with him so maybe there are others that can attest to his truthfulness.
Im not sure there is anyone who could attest to his thruthfullness. In fact, im almost sure when it comes to DF, he has lied far more than hes told the truth.
The guy is an unprofessional bum, and everytime his fingers touch a keyboard, we are reminded of that.
All who play DF at the moment know that the cake is a lie. Cake is a lie. Besides the point: whatever you think of Tasos making the post I still believe the EG review is far from the truth - 2/10? Not even close, I would have understood 6/10 from WoW fanboy.
Can you provide anything apart from your unsubstantiated view? At least Tasos cook up the idea of server logs.
What do you have? Just your empty words? Trying to flame and insult at once, trying to bring in WoW, hoping anti-WoW sentiments will give your side some benefits? What other tricks can you come up with?
Carebear, retarded .... name calling maybe? What else?
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
In the guild I have been since AoC from which we moved to WAR and then to DF we have 68 players and of those 1 quit because he got a child, 3 didn't like the game who sold the account to another guildie who are now having a lot of fun in game.
Game is not for everyone that I agree with but 2/10 is just a review written by a serious troll because the game is not bad once you understand the mechanics which are excellent.
You don't get it I do understand that - I really liked WoW for 3 years until TBC came out and then quit.
I really liked UO when it came out until they carebeared it.
I just like DF... For now, and when it's time to move on I will move on to the next game with my guild, but many of my guildies agree that this is the best PVP experience they have ever had.
Tasos mentioned that the 2/10 was the lowest ever review Eurogamer had given and that's just not true. I'm a games programmer and worked on the game You're In the Movies which came out last year for the 360. Eurogamer gave us a 2/10 because they couldn't setup the game correctly! As I understand it, we asked for a re-review (most reviewers gave us around 6/10) but they refused. So, as much as I feel its quite pathetic of Tasos to complain publicly about a review, I have to agree that sometimes Eurogamer can be unfairly harsh and somewhat opinionated.
Its about time the media crucified some of these crap games. Personally Im sick of subpar games that arent enjoyable, have too much hype, and not enough substance. But since we the general public seem to a bit masochistic when it comes to new MMOs, we take it on the chin, complain, and move on to the next failure.
10+ years of MMO development, and these kinda games are all we have to show for it. If you ask me, the genre is uninspired, bland, stagnant, and needs to either be reborn in its full glory, or just die alltogether.
It is funny how mad Tasos went with that not so accurate review, but how easy he can live with his not so accurate-out of date-with ghost features PR website.
You know guys...maybe he just didn't like it? Not every reviewer is going to like the games they play especially when its a game of this nature. People genuinely do hate some games, its called an opinion. Just because its a "reviewer" behind the writing doesn't change anything, they're still human. Theres games I hate and would give 2/10, im sure everyone has games that they really dislike. And heres his.
Also why does Tasos say "the entire review was opinionated and hostile", eye opener - reviews are an opinion.
All who play DF at the moment know that the cake is a lie. Cake is a lie. Besides the point: whatever you think of Tasos making the post I still believe the EG review is far from the truth - 2/10? Not even close, I would have understood 6/10 from WoW fanboy.
Can you provide anything apart from your unsubstantiated view? At least Tasos cook up the idea of server logs.
What do you have? Just your empty words? Trying to flame and insult at once, trying to bring in WoW, hoping anti-WoW sentiments will give your side some benefits? What other tricks can you come up with?
Carebear, retarded .... name calling maybe? What else?
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
In the guild I have been since AoC from which we moved to WAR and then to DF we have 68 players and of those 1 quit because he got a child, 3 didn't like the game who sold the account to another guildie who are now having a lot of fun in game.
Game is not for everyone that I agree with but 2/10 is just a review written by a serious troll because the game is not bad once you understand the mechanics which are excellent.
You don't get it I do understand that - I really liked WoW for 3 years until TBC came out and then quit.
I really liked UO when it came out until they carebeared it.
I just like DF... For now, and when it's time to move on I will move on to the next game with my guild, but many of my guildies agree that this is the best PVP experience they have ever had.
So because someone really dislikes DF, their opinion doesnt count? Ive played a few MMOs that deserved a 2/10. Some people love bleu cheese, I personally think it tastes and smells terrible. Does that make me wrong? Nope, its just how I feel about it. The guys vehemence about his dislike of DF makes me think its as bad as a lot of people say. And thats his opinion. I would honestly be suprised if a single gaming site out there gave it a 5/10.
Factor in those snotty elitist fans, and Id give it a .0000000000001/10
Tasos mentioned that the 2/10 was the lowest ever review Eurogamer had given and that's just not true. I'm a games programmer and worked on the game You're In the Movies which came out last year for the 360. Eurogamer gave us a 2/10 because they couldn't setup the game correctly! As I understand it, we asked for a re-review (most reviewers gave us around 6/10) but they refused. So, as much as I feel its quite pathetic of Tasos to complain publicly about a review, I have to agree that sometimes Eurogamer can be unfairly harsh and somewhat opinionated.
Its about time the media crucified some of these crap games. Personally Im sick of subpar games that arent enjoyable, have too much hype, and not enough substance. But since we the general public seem to a bit masochistic when it comes to new MMOs, we take it on the chin, complain, and move on to the next failure.
10+ years of MMO development, and these kinda games are all we have to show for it. If you ask me, the genre is uninspired, bland, stagnant, and needs to either be reborn in its full glory, or just die alltogether.
Arcken you are not only a joke, but a fool aswell. Im quoting directly from you "Lets face it, MMOs today are turning into single player console games with a chat box included." Only the current trend of mmorpgs would make you create such a statement. Yet, Darkfall is moving in the opposite direction of the current fantasy mmorpgs (WoW, Warhammer, Lotro, EQ2, and so on). AV simply created a game. They weren't even close to the hype machine of warhammer, the word of mouth of world of warcraft, and finally, of the known success of SOE games.
I actually do agree with this statement "Personally Im sick of subpar games that arent enjoyable, have too much hype, and not enough substance." This trend is apparent in companies like SOE, Mythic, NCsoft, and other veteran companies in the mmorpg genre. AV is a fledging company who only allowed what they could handle and have made constant improvements on a regular basis. To bash them is to bash a change in the regular mmorpg formula.
I think the reason so many are emotive about this is because Tasos is going against the 'suck it up' attitude espoused by the self professed hardcore game play.
Tasos mentioned that the 2/10 was the lowest ever review Eurogamer had given and that's just not true. I'm a games programmer and worked on the game You're In the Movies which came out last year for the 360. Eurogamer gave us a 2/10 because they couldn't setup the game correctly! As I understand it, we asked for a re-review (most reviewers gave us around 6/10) but they refused. So, as much as I feel its quite pathetic of Tasos to complain publicly about a review, I have to agree that sometimes Eurogamer can be unfairly harsh and somewhat opinionated.
Its about time the media crucified some of these crap games. Personally Im sick of subpar games that arent enjoyable, have too much hype, and not enough substance. But since we the general public seem to a bit masochistic when it comes to new MMOs, we take it on the chin, complain, and move on to the next failure.
10+ years of MMO development, and these kinda games are all we have to show for it. If you ask me, the genre is uninspired, bland, stagnant, and needs to either be reborn in its full glory, or just die alltogether.
Arcken you are not only a joke, but a fool aswell. Im quoting directly from you "Lets face it, MMOs today are turning into single player console games with a chat box included." Only the current trend of mmorpgs would make you create such a statement. Yet, Darkfall is moving in the opposite direction of the current fantasy mmorpgs (WoW, Warhammer, Lotro, EQ2, and so on). AV simply created a game. They weren't even close to the hype machine of warhammer, the word of mouth of world of warcraft, and finally, of the known success of SOE games.
I actually do agree with this statement "Personally Im sick of subpar games that arent enjoyable, have too much hype, and not enough substance." This trend is apparent in companies like SOE, Mythic, NCsoft, and other veteran companies in the mmorpg genre. AV is a fledging company who only allowed what they could handle and have made constant improvements on a regular basis. To bash them is to bash a change in the regular mmorpg formula.
Honestly Im not even sure I consider DFO an MMORPG, its more like planetside than anything else, and I dont agree thats an MMO either. AV promised a lot more than they delivered. They have made an art form out of stalling and faking.
They dont deserve kudos for making a half assed fantasy fps game. Hell even shadowbane was a more complex PVP game, and that isnt saying much.
They released a shoddy product after years of lying to us. And you want to reward them why?
I say hold em to a higher standard instead of joining the lemming rush as they head off the cliff.
p.s. if you want to release a new and unique product, you dont bring out the half working prototype, you make sure that shit works the way you promised it would.
Why did Eurogamer find even DF worthy a review at all? They obviously have a hard time finding content for their site. Take a look at www.darkfallonline.com and try buy the game. The game seems totally dead already. I know it isn't, but seriously; how unproffesional can a gaming company really be?
Responding in rageto a bad review, well, that just adds to the list. I don't hate Darkfall, and 100 bad reviews would not make me. However, Aventurines desperate need to look like a bunch of amateurs just made me decide not be a part of it...
All who play DF at the moment know that the cake is a lie. Cake is a lie. Besides the point: whatever you think of Tasos making the post I still believe the EG review is far from the truth - 2/10? Not even close, I would have understood 6/10 from WoW fanboy.
Can you provide anything apart from your unsubstantiated view? At least Tasos cook up the idea of server logs.
What do you have? Just your empty words? Trying to flame and insult at once, trying to bring in WoW, hoping anti-WoW sentiments will give your side some benefits? What other tricks can you come up with?
Carebear, retarded .... name calling maybe? What else?
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
In the guild I have been since AoC from which we moved to WAR and then to DF we have 68 players and of those 1 quit because he got a child, 3 didn't like the game who sold the account to another guildie who are now having a lot of fun in game.
Game is not for everyone that I agree with but 2/10 is just a review written by a serious troll because the game is not bad once you understand the mechanics which are excellent.
You don't get it I do understand that - I really liked WoW for 3 years until TBC came out and then quit.
I really liked UO when it came out until they carebeared it.
I just like DF... For now, and when it's time to move on I will move on to the next game with my guild, but many of my guildies agree that this is the best PVP experience they have ever had.
So because someone really dislikes DF, their opinion doesnt count? Ive played a few MMOs that deserved a 2/10. Some people love bleu cheese, I personally think it tastes and smells terrible. Does that make me wrong? Nope, its just how I feel about it. The guys vehemence about his dislike of DF makes me think its as bad as a lot of people say. And thats his opinion. I would honestly be suprised if a single gaming site out there gave it a 5/10.
Factor in those snotty elitist fans, and Id give it a .0000000000001/10
All who play DF at the moment know that the cake is a lie. Cake is a lie. Besides the point: whatever you think of Tasos making the post I still believe the EG review is far from the truth - 2/10? Not even close, I would have understood 6/10 from WoW fanboy.
Can you provide anything apart from your unsubstantiated view? At least Tasos cook up the idea of server logs.
What do you have? Just your empty words? Trying to flame and insult at once, trying to bring in WoW, hoping anti-WoW sentiments will give your side some benefits? What other tricks can you come up with?
Carebear, retarded .... name calling maybe? What else?
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
In the guild I have been since AoC from which we moved to WAR and then to DF we have 68 players and of those 1 quit because he got a child, 3 didn't like the game who sold the account to another guildie who are now having a lot of fun in game.
Game is not for everyone that I agree with but 2/10 is just a review written by a serious troll because the game is not bad once you understand the mechanics which are excellent.
You don't get it I do understand that - I really liked WoW for 3 years until TBC came out and then quit.
I really liked UO when it came out until they carebeared it.
I just like DF... For now, and when it's time to move on I will move on to the next game with my guild, but many of my guildies agree that this is the best PVP experience they have ever had.
So because someone really dislikes DF, their opinion doesnt count? Ive played a few MMOs that deserved a 2/10. Some people love bleu cheese, I personally think it tastes and smells terrible. Does that make me wrong? Nope, its just how I feel about it. The guys vehemence about his dislike of DF makes me think its as bad as a lot of people say. And thats his opinion. I would honestly be suprised if a single gaming site out there gave it a 5/10.
Factor in those snotty elitist fans, and Id give it a .0000000000001/10
okay analogy time, so I can make this clear for you.
2 people walk into a car dealership, and after the dealer fills their head with hype and selling points, they decide to both test drive the same model of car.
Driver #1 takes the car out, drives it, likes what he sees, and even though he notes that the car doesnt have ALL the bells and whistles the dealer said it did, its a comfortable fit, and he likes it.
Driver #2 Finds lots of problems with the car. The seats are uncomfortable, the gearshift is awkward, it sputters and dies a bit, and frankly driver 2 is kind of pissed off that the dealer lied about things that the auto doesnt actually have.
Here you have 2 different experiences, neither is wrong, however the experience is the basis for a review. You dont write a review based on someone elses experiences do you?
The real stinker here is that Tasos acted again, like a petulant child instead of acting professional. But again to drive the point home, a review will always be based on an experience with the product.
Our server logs are at Eurogamer's disposal as we said. This isn't a one man operation. There are 40 professional developers here and 900 people at Audio Visual and to insinuate that a conspiracy to fabricate our logs is possible, while convenient for Eurogamer and for the reviewer, is very insulting to our entire operation.
All events on the server are stored in an SQL database. This database is backed up daily. We have routines for saving the logs and we keep them pristine in case of needing them to prosecute legal activities. There is no human interaction with the data unless they need to be manually checked because of special circumstances. Since they are kept in multiple places logs can be cross-checked against each other making this alleged doctoring improbable. These logs contain numerous details on a player’s activity. It’s theoretically possible to doctor the logs but it would be a huge operation.
We stand by our logs and we’re willing to prove our claims. Eurogamer can send one of their technicians here, we will be happy to cover this expense, and he can examine our procedures and our logs himself and he will be satisfied that our logs are accurate. That, or they can do what they’re doing at the moment: believe their reviewer blindly and keep an unfounded and damaging review of our game public on a few minutes of actual play-time.
While Eurogamer questions our credibility, we will not go so far as to insinuate that Eurogamer's second attempt at a Darkfall review will only serve to confirm the first one. We will also not insinuate that the situation created by the first review will not affect the second reviewer. We appreciate the gesture; however it seems bizarre to us that Eurogamer would pay someone to try to prove them wrong. This is about as strange as us paying someone to write a review of Darkfall for them.
We also don’t believe that the 9 hours of MMORPG playtime Eurogamer is satisfied with, is anywhere near enough to review a MMORPG game of this size. It’s not even enough to get first impressions and these say very little about the game experience. Most gaming sites understand this and they’re using actual Darkfall players logging 100s of hours before they review our game. We believe that this is the only way to go in writing a complete review of an MMORPG like Darkfall.
In closing we also believe that it's important to understand what Eurogamer is saying about our game with the 2/10 score and I quote from their generic scoring policy http://www.eurogamer.net/scoring_policy.php
"Two - about as entertaining as 'flu
Avoid at all costs - this is less entertaining than setting fire to a ten-pound note. You'll have barely ever seen a 2/10 on EG - and for very good reason. A game this bad almost certainly won't reach our eyes, because publishers generally know better than to send games of this standard to us in the first place. In many cases these are your typical "straight to budget" titles that no sane publisher would try and release at full price, and they certainly wouldn't want us to rip them to shreds in public.
What you're facing here is a game with appalling generic visuals built around an awful design, cursed with cretinous AI, brain-frying audio and controls that feel like they've been designed to upset people or boost sales of replacement game pads. It could just be that the game is just so hideously old fashioned that someone has released the game by mistake. Who knows what goes through the minds of people who feel the need to try and sell crap? Pity them, and pity the fools that stock it and more so the morons that end up buying it without checking first."
One thing is for sure.....Darkfall will get alot of attention : ) Tasos might not be as stupid as we want him to be.
I love Darkfall and all, but it's hard to believe anything out of Tasos' mouth.
I dont mean what he says, i mean what he does. Darkfall gets a really bad review, and Tasos make a "reality show escape" in the end. Everyone will be talking about it. Just the talk about Tasos tellig the truth or not will make headlines. Then if the review is "fake" or not..then why? and so on.
This is just the beginning.
Sorry about that, I have no idea why I quoted you in the first place, I think I had some reason, then it faded when I notice lol.
But yea, bad press is good press, for anything.
Maybe Tasos will get his own Reality Show out of it.
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I think it is rather you who is retarded and blind who can't see how outdated this games control and gfx engine is not to mention the almost completely empty continent. I ran from one side of the main continent to the other and 90% of the time I didn't see either a player nor an NPC.
This game is a joke and unproffesionally done and using the argument that it should be viewed differently just because it is an FFA sandbox game is retarded. That is no excuse for having crappy control, wierd UI and severly outdated gfx engine.
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A game developer commenting on a review they get is one thing, but pulling out "facts" such as time played on an account is beyond pathetic. Also, the scoring policy of a gaming site is their internal issue -- you read the review and either agree or disagree. I found this particular review relatively well-written and entertaining and it also echoed quite a few of those concerns that have been surrounding Darkfall ever since beta. If the only thing a game has is PvP (as has been stated ad nauseum by those who state this is not a game for everyone, even the developer himself) and it is created sluggishly then what there is to recommend?
Sandboxyness? But if even the players themselves are openly admitting that there are somewhat limited tools to support this (sandbox) it is questionable whether it should grant points either. Graphics? Well, not to be harsh, but from the countless videos and screenshots that are readily available for everyone I can safely state that the graphics certainly wasn't the selling-point of this game. Sounds? Obviously, turning sounds off to reduce latency on fights means that they are in state-of-the-art condition. 20 billion player city-clashes? These certainly are a major selling point the day someone manages to show some evidence that such actually do occur (other than the game developer). In sum, considering the game an MMO with a twitch-based combat and failing to deliver on MMO and on combat leads to scores like this. Should it be 4/10, 1/10 or 2/10 in the end is pretty trivial.
I think that's a good point. Certainly Tasos has a motive to lie. I'm not familiar with him so maybe there are others that can attest to his truthfulness.
All who play DF at the moment know that the cake is a lie.
Cake is a lie.
Besides the point: whatever you think of Tasos making the post I still believe the EG review is far from the truth - 2/10? Not even close, I would have understood 6/10 from WoW fanboy.
Can you provide anything apart from your unsubstantiated view? At least Tasos cook up the idea of server logs.
What do you have? Just your empty words? Trying to flame and insult at once, trying to bring in WoW, hoping anti-WoW sentiments will give your side some benefits? What other tricks can you come up with?
Carebear, retarded .... name calling maybe? What else?
Tasos mentioned that the 2/10 was the lowest ever review Eurogamer had given and that's just not true. I'm a games programmer and worked on the game You're In the Movies which came out last year for the 360. Eurogamer gave us a 2/10 because they couldn't setup the game correctly!
As I understand it, we asked for a re-review (most reviewers gave us around 6/10) but they refused.
So, as much as I feel its quite pathetic of Tasos to complain publicly about a review, I have to agree that sometimes Eurogamer can be unfairly harsh and somewhat opinionated.
I think that's a good point. Certainly Tasos has a motive to lie. I'm not familiar with him so maybe there are others that can attest to his truthfulness.
Im not sure there is anyone who could attest to his thruthfullness. In fact, im almost sure when it comes to DF, he has lied far more than hes told the truth.
The guy is an unprofessional bum, and everytime his fingers touch a keyboard, we are reminded of that.
Can you provide anything apart from your unsubstantiated view? At least Tasos cook up the idea of server logs.
What do you have? Just your empty words? Trying to flame and insult at once, trying to bring in WoW, hoping anti-WoW sentiments will give your side some benefits? What other tricks can you come up with?
Carebear, retarded .... name calling maybe? What else?
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
In the guild I have been since AoC from which we moved to WAR and then to DF we have 68 players and of those 1 quit because he got a child, 3 didn't like the game who sold the account to another guildie who are now having a lot of fun in game.
Game is not for everyone that I agree with but 2/10 is just a review written by a serious troll because the game is not bad once you understand the mechanics which are excellent.
You don't get it I do understand that - I really liked WoW for 3 years until TBC came out and then quit.
I really liked UO when it came out until they carebeared it.
I just like DF... For now, and when it's time to move on I will move on to the next game with my guild, but many of my guildies agree that this is the best PVP experience they have ever had.
Its about time the media crucified some of these crap games. Personally Im sick of subpar games that arent enjoyable, have too much hype, and not enough substance. But since we the general public seem to a bit masochistic when it comes to new MMOs, we take it on the chin, complain, and move on to the next failure.
10+ years of MMO development, and these kinda games are all we have to show for it. If you ask me, the genre is uninspired, bland, stagnant, and needs to either be reborn in its full glory, or just die alltogether.
I've never played darkfall.
I have no intention of playing darkfall.
But the fact that people on this site agree with the article proves that the writer has no credibility as a game reviewer.
It is funny how mad Tasos went with that not so accurate review, but how easy he can live with his not so accurate-out of date-with ghost features PR website.
You know guys...maybe he just didn't like it? Not every reviewer is going to like the games they play especially when its a game of this nature. People genuinely do hate some games, its called an opinion. Just because its a "reviewer" behind the writing doesn't change anything, they're still human. Theres games I hate and would give 2/10, im sure everyone has games that they really dislike. And heres his.
Also why does Tasos say "the entire review was opinionated and hostile", eye opener - reviews are an opinion.
Can you provide anything apart from your unsubstantiated view? At least Tasos cook up the idea of server logs.
What do you have? Just your empty words? Trying to flame and insult at once, trying to bring in WoW, hoping anti-WoW sentiments will give your side some benefits? What other tricks can you come up with?
Carebear, retarded .... name calling maybe? What else?
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
In the guild I have been since AoC from which we moved to WAR and then to DF we have 68 players and of those 1 quit because he got a child, 3 didn't like the game who sold the account to another guildie who are now having a lot of fun in game.
Game is not for everyone that I agree with but 2/10 is just a review written by a serious troll because the game is not bad once you understand the mechanics which are excellent.
You don't get it I do understand that - I really liked WoW for 3 years until TBC came out and then quit.
I really liked UO when it came out until they carebeared it.
I just like DF... For now, and when it's time to move on I will move on to the next game with my guild, but many of my guildies agree that this is the best PVP experience they have ever had.
So because someone really dislikes DF, their opinion doesnt count? Ive played a few MMOs that deserved a 2/10. Some people love bleu cheese, I personally think it tastes and smells terrible. Does that make me wrong? Nope, its just how I feel about it. The guys vehemence about his dislike of DF makes me think its as bad as a lot of people say. And thats his opinion. I would honestly be suprised if a single gaming site out there gave it a 5/10.
Factor in those snotty elitist fans, and Id give it a .0000000000001/10
Its about time the media crucified some of these crap games. Personally Im sick of subpar games that arent enjoyable, have too much hype, and not enough substance. But since we the general public seem to a bit masochistic when it comes to new MMOs, we take it on the chin, complain, and move on to the next failure.
10+ years of MMO development, and these kinda games are all we have to show for it. If you ask me, the genre is uninspired, bland, stagnant, and needs to either be reborn in its full glory, or just die alltogether.
Arcken you are not only a joke, but a fool aswell. Im quoting directly from you "Lets face it, MMOs today are turning into single player console games with a chat box included." Only the current trend of mmorpgs would make you create such a statement. Yet, Darkfall is moving in the opposite direction of the current fantasy mmorpgs (WoW, Warhammer, Lotro, EQ2, and so on). AV simply created a game. They weren't even close to the hype machine of warhammer, the word of mouth of world of warcraft, and finally, of the known success of SOE games.
I actually do agree with this statement "Personally Im sick of subpar games that arent enjoyable, have too much hype, and not enough substance." This trend is apparent in companies like SOE, Mythic, NCsoft, and other veteran companies in the mmorpg genre. AV is a fledging company who only allowed what they could handle and have made constant improvements on a regular basis. To bash them is to bash a change in the regular mmorpg formula.
I think the reason so many are emotive about this is because Tasos is going against the 'suck it up' attitude espoused by the self professed hardcore game play.
Its about time the media crucified some of these crap games. Personally Im sick of subpar games that arent enjoyable, have too much hype, and not enough substance. But since we the general public seem to a bit masochistic when it comes to new MMOs, we take it on the chin, complain, and move on to the next failure.
10+ years of MMO development, and these kinda games are all we have to show for it. If you ask me, the genre is uninspired, bland, stagnant, and needs to either be reborn in its full glory, or just die alltogether.
Arcken you are not only a joke, but a fool aswell. Im quoting directly from you "Lets face it, MMOs today are turning into single player console games with a chat box included." Only the current trend of mmorpgs would make you create such a statement. Yet, Darkfall is moving in the opposite direction of the current fantasy mmorpgs (WoW, Warhammer, Lotro, EQ2, and so on). AV simply created a game. They weren't even close to the hype machine of warhammer, the word of mouth of world of warcraft, and finally, of the known success of SOE games.
I actually do agree with this statement "Personally Im sick of subpar games that arent enjoyable, have too much hype, and not enough substance." This trend is apparent in companies like SOE, Mythic, NCsoft, and other veteran companies in the mmorpg genre. AV is a fledging company who only allowed what they could handle and have made constant improvements on a regular basis. To bash them is to bash a change in the regular mmorpg formula.
Honestly Im not even sure I consider DFO an MMORPG, its more like planetside than anything else, and I dont agree thats an MMO either. AV promised a lot more than they delivered. They have made an art form out of stalling and faking.
They dont deserve kudos for making a half assed fantasy fps game. Hell even shadowbane was a more complex PVP game, and that isnt saying much.
They released a shoddy product after years of lying to us. And you want to reward them why?
I say hold em to a higher standard instead of joining the lemming rush as they head off the cliff.
p.s. if you want to release a new and unique product, you dont bring out the half working prototype, you make sure that shit works the way you promised it would.
Why did Eurogamer find even DF worthy a review at all? They obviously have a hard time finding content for their site. Take a look at www.darkfallonline.com and try buy the game. The game seems totally dead already. I know it isn't, but seriously; how unproffesional can a gaming company really be?
Responding in rageto a bad review, well, that just adds to the list. I don't hate Darkfall, and 100 bad reviews would not make me. However, Aventurines desperate need to look like a bunch of amateurs just made me decide not be a part of it...
Can you provide anything apart from your unsubstantiated view? At least Tasos cook up the idea of server logs.
What do you have? Just your empty words? Trying to flame and insult at once, trying to bring in WoW, hoping anti-WoW sentiments will give your side some benefits? What other tricks can you come up with?
Carebear, retarded .... name calling maybe? What else?
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
In the guild I have been since AoC from which we moved to WAR and then to DF we have 68 players and of those 1 quit because he got a child, 3 didn't like the game who sold the account to another guildie who are now having a lot of fun in game.
Game is not for everyone that I agree with but 2/10 is just a review written by a serious troll because the game is not bad once you understand the mechanics which are excellent.
You don't get it I do understand that - I really liked WoW for 3 years until TBC came out and then quit.
I really liked UO when it came out until they carebeared it.
I just like DF... For now, and when it's time to move on I will move on to the next game with my guild, but many of my guildies agree that this is the best PVP experience they have ever had.
So because someone really dislikes DF, their opinion doesnt count? Ive played a few MMOs that deserved a 2/10. Some people love bleu cheese, I personally think it tastes and smells terrible. Does that make me wrong? Nope, its just how I feel about it. The guys vehemence about his dislike of DF makes me think its as bad as a lot of people say. And thats his opinion. I would honestly be suprised if a single gaming site out there gave it a 5/10.
Factor in those snotty elitist fans, and Id give it a .0000000000001/10
Well, you just proved my point.
Opinion is an opinion.
Review is not an opinion, it's review.
See, look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Review
Can you provide anything apart from your unsubstantiated view? At least Tasos cook up the idea of server logs.
What do you have? Just your empty words? Trying to flame and insult at once, trying to bring in WoW, hoping anti-WoW sentiments will give your side some benefits? What other tricks can you come up with?
Carebear, retarded .... name calling maybe? What else?
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
In the guild I have been since AoC from which we moved to WAR and then to DF we have 68 players and of those 1 quit because he got a child, 3 didn't like the game who sold the account to another guildie who are now having a lot of fun in game.
Game is not for everyone that I agree with but 2/10 is just a review written by a serious troll because the game is not bad once you understand the mechanics which are excellent.
You don't get it I do understand that - I really liked WoW for 3 years until TBC came out and then quit.
I really liked UO when it came out until they carebeared it.
I just like DF... For now, and when it's time to move on I will move on to the next game with my guild, but many of my guildies agree that this is the best PVP experience they have ever had.
So because someone really dislikes DF, their opinion doesnt count? Ive played a few MMOs that deserved a 2/10. Some people love bleu cheese, I personally think it tastes and smells terrible. Does that make me wrong? Nope, its just how I feel about it. The guys vehemence about his dislike of DF makes me think its as bad as a lot of people say. And thats his opinion. I would honestly be suprised if a single gaming site out there gave it a 5/10.
Factor in those snotty elitist fans, and Id give it a .0000000000001/10
Well, you just proved my point.
Opinion is an opinion.
Review is not an opinion, it's review.
See, look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Review
okay analogy time, so I can make this clear for you.
2 people walk into a car dealership, and after the dealer fills their head with hype and selling points, they decide to both test drive the same model of car.
Driver #1 takes the car out, drives it, likes what he sees, and even though he notes that the car doesnt have ALL the bells and whistles the dealer said it did, its a comfortable fit, and he likes it.
Driver #2 Finds lots of problems with the car. The seats are uncomfortable, the gearshift is awkward, it sputters and dies a bit, and frankly driver 2 is kind of pissed off that the dealer lied about things that the auto doesnt actually have.
Here you have 2 different experiences, neither is wrong, however the experience is the basis for a review. You dont write a review based on someone elses experiences do you?
The real stinker here is that Tasos acted again, like a petulant child instead of acting professional. But again to drive the point home, a review will always be based on an experience with the product.
I'm sure that if the guy from Eurogamer had given Darkfall an 8/10 or some other higher score, you'd be saying the same thing. Right?
Really? Name some.
Really? Name some.
Id like to hear some too. In my experience everything that makes WoW what it is are ideas taken from other games.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ed...ath-blog-entry
Our response to this:
Our server logs are at Eurogamer's disposal as we said. This isn't a one man operation. There are 40 professional developers here and 900 people at Audio Visual and to insinuate that a conspiracy to fabricate our logs is possible, while convenient for Eurogamer and for the reviewer, is very insulting to our entire operation.
All events on the server are stored in an SQL database. This database is backed up daily. We have routines for saving the logs and we keep them pristine in case of needing them to prosecute legal activities. There is no human interaction with the data unless they need to be manually checked because of special circumstances. Since they are kept in multiple places logs can be cross-checked against each other making this alleged doctoring improbable. These logs contain numerous details on a player’s activity. It’s theoretically possible to doctor the logs but it would be a huge operation.
We stand by our logs and we’re willing to prove our claims. Eurogamer can send one of their technicians here, we will be happy to cover this expense, and he can examine our procedures and our logs himself and he will be satisfied that our logs are accurate. That, or they can do what they’re doing at the moment: believe their reviewer blindly and keep an unfounded and damaging review of our game public on a few minutes of actual play-time.
While Eurogamer questions our credibility, we will not go so far as to insinuate that Eurogamer's second attempt at a Darkfall review will only serve to confirm the first one. We will also not insinuate that the situation created by the first review will not affect the second reviewer. We appreciate the gesture; however it seems bizarre to us that Eurogamer would pay someone to try to prove them wrong. This is about as strange as us paying someone to write a review of Darkfall for them.
We also don’t believe that the 9 hours of MMORPG playtime Eurogamer is satisfied with, is anywhere near enough to review a MMORPG game of this size. It’s not even enough to get first impressions and these say very little about the game experience. Most gaming sites understand this and they’re using actual Darkfall players logging 100s of hours before they review our game. We believe that this is the only way to go in writing a complete review of an MMORPG like Darkfall.
In closing we also believe that it's important to understand what Eurogamer is saying about our game with the 2/10 score and I quote from their generic scoring policy http://www.eurogamer.net/scoring_policy.php
"Two - about as entertaining as 'flu
Avoid at all costs - this is less entertaining than setting fire to a ten-pound note. You'll have barely ever seen a 2/10 on EG - and for very good reason. A game this bad almost certainly won't reach our eyes, because publishers generally know better than to send games of this standard to us in the first place. In many cases these are your typical "straight to budget" titles that no sane publisher would try and release at full price, and they certainly wouldn't want us to rip them to shreds in public.
What you're facing here is a game with appalling generic visuals built around an awful design, cursed with cretinous AI, brain-frying audio and controls that feel like they've been designed to upset people or boost sales of replacement game pads. It could just be that the game is just so hideously old fashioned that someone has released the game by mistake. Who knows what goes through the minds of people who feel the need to try and sell crap? Pity them, and pity the fools that stock it and more so the morons that end up buying it without checking first."
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
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I love Darkfall and all, but it's hard to believe anything out of Tasos' mouth.
I dont mean what he says, i mean what he does. Darkfall gets a really bad review, and Tasos make a "reality show escape" in the end. Everyone will be talking about it. Just the talk about Tasos tellig the truth or not will make headlines. Then if the review is "fake" or not..then why? and so on.
This is just the beginning.
Sorry about that, I have no idea why I quoted you in the first place, I think I had some reason, then it faded when I notice lol.
But yea, bad press is good press, for anything.
Maybe Tasos will get his own Reality Show out of it.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
this is getting better and better; how immature can Tasos be, I wonder...