That doesn't matter either. What does matter is whether the game is making a profit. It doesn't matter if the game has ten subs or 200 million, if it still is making a profit the game is a success.
Losing lots of subs during the first year is a failure.
You disagree?
You fail to see as long as money is being made it is still a success.
Losing lots of subs is a failure, retaining those subs that you have left is not a success.
Basically you are saying is those 300k people that are playing are in denial, that the game was failure and they should just quit.
Yes, quite.
Are you one of those people in denial that you are talking about?
That doesn't matter either. What does matter is whether the game is making a profit. It doesn't matter if the game has ten subs or 200 million, if it still is making a profit the game is a success.
Losing lots of subs during the first year is a failure.
You disagree?
You fail to see as long as money is being made it is still a success.
Losing lots of subs is a failure, retaining those subs that you have left is not a success.
Basically you are saying is those 300k people that are playing are in denial, that the game was failure and they should just quit.
Yes, quite.
Are you one of those people in denial that you are talking about?
I'm not sitting here telling millions of people that play games with lower subs then WoW that their game was a failure, Im also not here claiming "thats the way its going to be" before the game is released, even with its little to none information released.
Oh and I'll add nope, I actually have an active, Eve and WoW sub.
Originally posted by HDomni Even if you go from 800k to 300k you are still making a killing. You know, I have seen you disrespect WoW players on the forums, yet you carry most of there beliefs as to what makes a game successful, exactly what MMO are you playing if any?
Hello Kitty Adventure Island.
It has awesome PvP and free loot.
Thanks for proving my point.
You sure crack me up, boyo.
I don't really think that you have a point but please enlighten me.
Same WoW personallity, basically your a prancing man baby with linear views, when your caught up in a corner you resort to sarcasm.
Seriously, you crack me up, boyo.
Is this your point or where is it?
I must inform you that you just failed at debating.
Originally posted by HDomni Even if you go from 800k to 300k you are still making a killing. You know, I have seen you disrespect WoW players on the forums, yet you carry most of there beliefs as to what makes a game successful, exactly what MMO are you playing if any?
Hello Kitty Adventure Island.
It has awesome PvP and free loot.
Thanks for proving my point.
You sure crack me up, boyo.
I don't really think that you have a point but please enlighten me.
Same WoW personallity, basically your a prancing man baby with linear views, when your caught up in a corner you resort to sarcasm.
Seriously, you crack me up, boyo.
Is this your point or where is it?
I must inform you that you just failed at debating.
I don't expect you to understand. I gave up a few minutes ago.
WoW didn't lose most of it's subs during the first year and in fact WoW has never in the history of mankind lost any subs at all.
Now I know you are delusional. There are COUNTLESS posts here made by people who no longer play WoW. I am one of them. Also, a game losing a large portion of it's subscribers shortly after release does not in any way mean the game is a failure. EvE Online has more than likely lost more subscriptions than it will evr hope to have. It is also by far one of the, if not the most successful sci-fi based MMOs on the market.
A game losing subs at start up can simply be attributed to people trying the game, deciding it is not their "cup of tea" and moving on. Many games, if not all games, experience this period during their beginings. Holding on to the subs you have is very much a success. It means that you are maintaining the game properly and adding new and fresh contant when necessary. All of which is required to keep an online persistent game going. If you think for one second that not having "x" number of subs is indicitive of a failure, you are completely and totally wrong. There is nothing for you to argue here. As long as the game continues to remain online and generates a profit for its developer/publisher, it is unquestionablly a success.
Even if you go from 800k to 300k you are still making a killing. You know, I have seen you disrespect WoW players on the forums, yet you carry most of there beliefs as to what makes a game successful, exactly what MMO are you playing if any?
This is true it just means a longer period of time to reach "profit point". When an MMO launches its not really making a profit... anything beyond operating costs has to pay back the production cost to "get it live". So as an example if a game cost 70 million dollars to "get it live" then you have to pay that back to make a profit. While at the same time paying your employees and covering month to month operation costs.
Since you brought this up in this thread here is what I wonder about. Say TOR launches and grabs 1 million subs and by the end of a year it has 300,000 subs. Let's say it could maintain those 300,000.
Now relatively it wouldn't have that many more subs than SWG had when "it was dying" ... "bleeding subs" and "a failure".
So this time around would 300,000 be a success because it said "Bioware" on the box. I'm interested in watching this...
Honestly I hope it goes well... simply because failed games do not help gamers.
Yet at the same time I would like to see how they handle the PR if the game is only as successful as SWG was....
Even if you go from 800k to 300k you are still making a killing. You know, I have seen you disrespect WoW players on the forums, yet you carry most of there beliefs as to what makes a game successful, exactly what MMO are you playing if any?
This is true it just means a longer period of time to reach "profit point". When an MMO launches its not really making a profit... anything beyond operating costs has to pay back the production cost to "get it live". So as an example if a game cost 70 million dollars to "get it live" then you have to pay that back to make a profit. While at the same time paying your employees and covering month to month operation costs.
Since you brought this up in this thread here is what I wonder about. Say TOR launches and grabs 1 million subs and by the end of a year it has 300,000 subs. Let's say it could maintain those 300,000.
Now relatively it wouldn't have that many more subs than SWG had when "it was dying" ... "bleeding subs" and "a failure".
So this time around would 300,000 be a success because it said "Bioware" on the box. I'm interested in watching this...
Honestly I hope it goes well... simply because failed games do not help gamers.
Yet at the same time I would like to see how they handle the PR if the game is only as successful as SWG was....
From a business standpoint I would think a successful MMO would be providing money to pay for the production fee, employees, keeping the game running, further development on the game, and some to to go on a vacation with.
As a player standpoint, a success to me, is anything that can keep my intrest, and provides me with fun during my time playing.
If they make the lightsaber obtainable later on in the class progression it may deter some folks from choosing the class. Also make it hard to achieve with a long quest chain that requires some great accomplishment's.
"The King and the Pawn return to the same box at the end of the game"
If they make the lightsaber obtainable later on in the class progression it may deter some folks from choosing the class. Also make it hard to achieve with a long quest chain that requires some great accomplishment's.
I could understand the wait for getting a saber, but why make there chain harder then other classes? This is SWtor not SWG, it would make sense for jedi and sith to be running around everywhere.
I am not even planning on playing this game, but after reading all this, it just sounds like many of you are pissed off because EVERYONE will have the option to play jedi... and you thought you would be special.
This isn't highlander, there can be more than one.
So what if you only see 1 boba fett wannabe running around every 6 weeks, that makes those who choose to play them more special.
This OP sounds to me like he/she wants to play jedi, just mad because there will be many of them.
I'm sure Bioware is compantent enough to make a good quality well balanced game. If you don't realize this I suggest that you go and play a few of their amazing games. I think it's insulting to Biowares track record to bash TOR before it has even been released. No this game is not going to be SWG and nor should it be. If you want this game to be SWG expect to be disapointed, if you want to play another great game made by Bioware expect to be pleased.
I jsut get the feeling that SWToR has its work cut out for them.......I dont think it will surprsie anyone when this game releases and players start complaining that it isnt as good as classic SWG was or it isnt as good as the movies were........When you take IP's that have been around then people already have preconceived ideas on what they think SWToR should be.......If the game doesnt fit what they think it should be then alot of them will not play for very long.........The Jedi debate alone will drive away 50 percent regardless of which way they decide to do it.......If they allow everyone to be Jedi's then the hardcore wont like it and quit.....If they allow none or very few then the casuals wont like it because they will want to be Jedi's........There is absolutely no way the can please everyone in this game.
It took SWG more than two years to sell one million boxes, and at that time they only had 250k subscribers. Knights of the Old Republic sold 250k units in its first four days. It would have sold more, but they ran out of copies. The X-Box version alone has sold around 1.6 million to date, exclusive of the PC version. It was one of the best-reviewed role playing games of all time.
BioWare has a larger audience for this game, exclusive of SWG fans, than there are people who even care about SWG at this point. TOR doesn't have anything to do with the Galaxies IP, or really with the movies for that matter, it has to do with the KotOR IP, which is a good thing since that is a more popular and well-reviewed setting than Galaxies ever was.
As for Jedi debate, what debate? 50 percent driven away, really? This game isn't being made for bitter SWG exiles. It is being made for fans of KotOR and Star Wars. There probably won't be more than 10% of the initial user base who even realize there was a Jedi debate in a game that failed years ago.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
There is nothing pesimistic about wanting divesity in an MMORPG. Every game has its flavor class, i.e. Rogue, Paladin, Barbarian, Superhero who flies.
I am not bashing the game by no means. I can assure you. I just pray that they make the other classes just as appealing and desirable to play. I am guessing (my opinion - wanted to get that out the way) that quarter of us who play this game will be gamers or MMO experienced. The rest wlll be Starwars movie fans or KOTOR players who have the distinct knowledge by their SW experiences that Jedi/Sith are the most powerful or the 'best class'. Heck, how many of us tried to beat KOTOR I and II as a purely range gunman?
You can't deny that there will be an ONSLAUGHT of sabers running around. I hope they do not neglect the other classes when it comes down to balancing. And I'm not just talking about pvp interactions. If there is grouping required for tasks, I pray that a class that has not been utilized doesnt get the short end of the stick strickly because there is little player data on that class.
I know BIOWARE is smart and I believe they can pull this off, but I will always have the mindset hope for the best, expect the worse due to my MMO experience.
There is nothing pesimistic about wanting divesity in an MMORPG. Every game has its flavor class, i.e. Rogue, Paladin, Barbarian, Superhero who flies. I am not bashing the game by no means. I can assure you. I just pray that they make the other classes just as appealing and desirable to play. I am guessing (my opinion - wanted to get that out the way) that quarter of us who play this game will be gamers or MMO experienced. The rest wlll be Starwars fans or who have the distinct knowledge by their SW experiences that Jedi/Sith are the most powerful or the 'best class'. Heck, how many of us tried to beat KOTOR I and II as purely range gunman? You can't deny that there will be an ONSLAUGHT of sabers running around. I hope they do not neglect the other classes when it comes down to balancing. And I'm not just talking about pvp interactions. If there is grouping requiredf for tasked, I pray that a class that has not been utilized gets the short end of the stick strickly because there is little player data on that class. I know BIOWARE is smart and I believe they can pull this off, but I will always have the mindset hope for the best, expect the worse due to my MMO experience.
So far both Bounty Hunter and Trooper look sweet. I could see myself playing both. I think so far they are doing a good job at adding appeal to the classes released.
Nobody here has denied there will be tons of jedi/sith considering the era its set in. But like most people that play MMOs. They will play more then the class they chose from the start, some of them might not even like the feel sith or jedi offers them, so they move on.
I am not even planning on playing this game, but after reading all this, it just sounds like many of you are pissed off because EVERYONE will have the option to play jedi... and you thought you would be special.
This isn't highlander, there can be more than one.
So what if you only see 1 boba fett wannabe running around every 6 weeks, that makes those who choose to play them more special.
This OP sounds to me like he/she wants to play jedi, just mad because there will be many of them.
QQ more.
This guy has got it right.
This game will never shake the SWG shadow.
I think the problem is everyone wants to be a jedi/sith but some people realize that there will be endless jedi/sith and will choose a different class. While the others sit and complain that there will be to many jedi/sith for their own selfish ambitions on being a "leet" jedi/sith. Ill admit if i am to play this game I would like to play sith, but I know that it will be an extremely popular class which is a deterant for me.
IMO jedi and sith should be NPC only but that wouldnt sell game copies now would it? I am a SW fan and this game can not due justice to jedi/sith powers, because of class balance issues, which is sad.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
Personally, I'll have one of every Sith Empire class on one server and one of every Galactic Republic class on another server. Obviously I'll have a main on each side/server, but as to which class that will be I have no idea. I will play every class through the entire game to experience the different storylines and then settle on one from each server to use for endgame content and PvP.
Do I think that Jedi and Sith will be the most played? Yes, I do, at least initially. Later people will gravitate to whatever class suits them best. Jedi and Sith will probably be very popular with the younger players due to most of their Star Wars experience coming from the God-awful prequels and Clone Wars nonsense. Older players, on the other hand, are probably more likely to roll other classes such as Bounty Hunter or Smuggler (if that is indeed a class in SW:TOR).
Six months after release I expect that the game will have a pretty even spread of classes, with Jedi/Sith just edging it, but by no means being massively overplayed.
MMORPG History: Playing - EVE Online. Played (Retired) - AO, SWG, MxO, WoW, RFO, SoR, CoX, EQ2, GW, L2, Vanguard, LotRO, AoC, TCoS, Aion. Favourite MMO - Pre-CU SWG, 3 Years, 4 Accounts, 2 Pre-CU Jedi (1 Pre-9). Awaiting - Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Secret World, Earthrise.
I really don't get why people think jedi are gods, they die by the thousands all over in KoToR lore. So yeah they have the force, oooo but if you know how to control your own mind they die easy as chickens.
It will probably be how Death Knights were with WoW. At launch, everyone and their grandma will play a Jedi/Sith and then we'll start seeing more of other classes especially if Jedi/Sith aren't the OP FotM. Sounds kind of ironic that another class could be the OP one but if they're trying to balance the classes, it's bound to happen.
"Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's azz by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather to take his word for it?" - Tommy Boy
I'm just curious, do all you pessimistic sour pusses who predict doom for every game actually have a goal of some kind besides being trolls? If it's to draw attention to yourselves, then I guess you are succeeding. But I fail to see any real tangible wins for you since no developer of any game could ever take you seriously.
What games have not failed?
World of Warcraft, EVE Online, Lord of the Rings Online and umm... darn.
By your own defintion, World of Warcraft is the only MMO in the history of MMOs that hasn't failed. Every game that has ever come out eventually lost subs. I guess when the day FINALLY arrives that World of Warcraft is pulling less than a million subs it will be a failure. But that would be after 5+ years as the number one MMO on the market. So it's safe to say your little standards are unrealistic.
But you guys still haven't answered my question. Just what is the intended purpose of trolling forums and predicting doom for all games that aren't even in BETA yet? Is it because you lack attention in the real world or is there some method to your madness?
But you guys still haven't answered my question. Just what is the intended purpose of trolling forums and predicting doom for all games that aren't even in BETA yet? Is it because you lack attention in the real world or is there some method to your madness?
I always thought it was because they really wanna see this game fail. I see no other explanation, unless somebody else wants to disagree.
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Losing lots of subs during the first year is a failure.
You disagree?
You fail to see as long as money is being made it is still a success.
Losing lots of subs is a failure, retaining those subs that you have left is not a success.
Basically you are saying is those 300k people that are playing are in denial, that the game was failure and they should just quit.
Yes, quite.
Are you one of those people in denial that you are talking about?
Losing lots of subs during the first year is a failure.
You disagree?
You fail to see as long as money is being made it is still a success.
Losing lots of subs is a failure, retaining those subs that you have left is not a success.
Basically you are saying is those 300k people that are playing are in denial, that the game was failure and they should just quit.
Yes, quite.
Are you one of those people in denial that you are talking about?
I'm not sitting here telling millions of people that play games with lower subs then WoW that their game was a failure, Im also not here claiming "thats the way its going to be" before the game is released, even with its little to none information released.
Oh and I'll add nope, I actually have an active, Eve and WoW sub.
Hello Kitty Adventure Island.
It has awesome PvP and free loot.
Thanks for proving my point.
You sure crack me up, boyo.
I don't really think that you have a point but please enlighten me.
Same WoW personallity, basically your a prancing man baby with linear views, when your caught up in a corner you resort to sarcasm.
Seriously, you crack me up, boyo.
Is this your point or where is it?
I must inform you that you just failed at debating.
Hello Kitty Adventure Island.
It has awesome PvP and free loot.
Thanks for proving my point.
You sure crack me up, boyo.
I don't really think that you have a point but please enlighten me.
Same WoW personallity, basically your a prancing man baby with linear views, when your caught up in a corner you resort to sarcasm.
Seriously, you crack me up, boyo.
Is this your point or where is it?
I must inform you that you just failed at debating.
I don't expect you to understand. I gave up a few minutes ago.
Now I know you are delusional. There are COUNTLESS posts here made by people who no longer play WoW. I am one of them. Also, a game losing a large portion of it's subscribers shortly after release does not in any way mean the game is a failure. EvE Online has more than likely lost more subscriptions than it will evr hope to have. It is also by far one of the, if not the most successful sci-fi based MMOs on the market.
A game losing subs at start up can simply be attributed to people trying the game, deciding it is not their "cup of tea" and moving on. Many games, if not all games, experience this period during their beginings. Holding on to the subs you have is very much a success. It means that you are maintaining the game properly and adding new and fresh contant when necessary. All of which is required to keep an online persistent game going. If you think for one second that not having "x" number of subs is indicitive of a failure, you are completely and totally wrong. There is nothing for you to argue here. As long as the game continues to remain online and generates a profit for its developer/publisher, it is unquestionablly a success.
Maligar Kelison
Threat Removal
This is true it just means a longer period of time to reach "profit point". When an MMO launches its not really making a profit... anything beyond operating costs has to pay back the production cost to "get it live". So as an example if a game cost 70 million dollars to "get it live" then you have to pay that back to make a profit. While at the same time paying your employees and covering month to month operation costs.
Since you brought this up in this thread here is what I wonder about. Say TOR launches and grabs 1 million subs and by the end of a year it has 300,000 subs. Let's say it could maintain those 300,000.
Now relatively it wouldn't have that many more subs than SWG had when "it was dying" ... "bleeding subs" and "a failure".
So this time around would 300,000 be a success because it said "Bioware" on the box. I'm interested in watching this...
Honestly I hope it goes well... simply because failed games do not help gamers.
Yet at the same time I would like to see how they handle the PR if the game is only as successful as SWG was....
This is true it just means a longer period of time to reach "profit point". When an MMO launches its not really making a profit... anything beyond operating costs has to pay back the production cost to "get it live". So as an example if a game cost 70 million dollars to "get it live" then you have to pay that back to make a profit. While at the same time paying your employees and covering month to month operation costs.
Since you brought this up in this thread here is what I wonder about. Say TOR launches and grabs 1 million subs and by the end of a year it has 300,000 subs. Let's say it could maintain those 300,000.
Now relatively it wouldn't have that many more subs than SWG had when "it was dying" ... "bleeding subs" and "a failure".
So this time around would 300,000 be a success because it said "Bioware" on the box. I'm interested in watching this...
Honestly I hope it goes well... simply because failed games do not help gamers.
Yet at the same time I would like to see how they handle the PR if the game is only as successful as SWG was....
From a business standpoint I would think a successful MMO would be providing money to pay for the production fee, employees, keeping the game running, further development on the game, and some to to go on a vacation with.
As a player standpoint, a success to me, is anything that can keep my intrest, and provides me with fun during my time playing.
If they make the lightsaber obtainable later on in the class progression it may deter some folks from choosing the class. Also make it hard to achieve with a long quest chain that requires some great accomplishment's.
I could understand the wait for getting a saber, but why make there chain harder then other classes? This is SWtor not SWG, it would make sense for jedi and sith to be running around everywhere.
Who ordered a wamburger and the french cries.
What I don't get is why it even matters.
I am not even planning on playing this game, but after reading all this, it just sounds like many of you are pissed off because EVERYONE will have the option to play jedi... and you thought you would be special.
This isn't highlander, there can be more than one.
So what if you only see 1 boba fett wannabe running around every 6 weeks, that makes those who choose to play them more special.
This OP sounds to me like he/she wants to play jedi, just mad because there will be many of them.
QQ more.
For some reason this made me lol.
I'm sure Bioware is compantent enough to make a good quality well balanced game. If you don't realize this I suggest that you go and play a few of their amazing games. I think it's insulting to Biowares track record to bash TOR before it has even been released. No this game is not going to be SWG and nor should it be. If you want this game to be SWG expect to be disapointed, if you want to play another great game made by Bioware expect to be pleased.
It took SWG more than two years to sell one million boxes, and at that time they only had 250k subscribers. Knights of the Old Republic sold 250k units in its first four days. It would have sold more, but they ran out of copies. The X-Box version alone has sold around 1.6 million to date, exclusive of the PC version. It was one of the best-reviewed role playing games of all time.
BioWare has a larger audience for this game, exclusive of SWG fans, than there are people who even care about SWG at this point. TOR doesn't have anything to do with the Galaxies IP, or really with the movies for that matter, it has to do with the KotOR IP, which is a good thing since that is a more popular and well-reviewed setting than Galaxies ever was.
As for Jedi debate, what debate? 50 percent driven away, really? This game isn't being made for bitter SWG exiles. It is being made for fans of KotOR and Star Wars. There probably won't be more than 10% of the initial user base who even realize there was a Jedi debate in a game that failed years ago.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
There is nothing pesimistic about wanting divesity in an MMORPG. Every game has its flavor class, i.e. Rogue, Paladin, Barbarian, Superhero who flies.
I am not bashing the game by no means. I can assure you. I just pray that they make the other classes just as appealing and desirable to play. I am guessing (my opinion - wanted to get that out the way) that quarter of us who play this game will be gamers or MMO experienced. The rest wlll be Starwars movie fans or KOTOR players who have the distinct knowledge by their SW experiences that Jedi/Sith are the most powerful or the 'best class'. Heck, how many of us tried to beat KOTOR I and II as a purely range gunman?
You can't deny that there will be an ONSLAUGHT of sabers running around. I hope they do not neglect the other classes when it comes down to balancing. And I'm not just talking about pvp interactions. If there is grouping required for tasks, I pray that a class that has not been utilized doesnt get the short end of the stick strickly because there is little player data on that class.
I know BIOWARE is smart and I believe they can pull this off, but I will always have the mindset hope for the best, expect the worse due to my MMO experience.
So far both Bounty Hunter and Trooper look sweet. I could see myself playing both. I think so far they are doing a good job at adding appeal to the classes released.
Nobody here has denied there will be tons of jedi/sith considering the era its set in. But like most people that play MMOs. They will play more then the class they chose from the start, some of them might not even like the feel sith or jedi offers them, so they move on.
Granted Jedi are a big part of SW, they will not be unbalanced and I would expect all classes to be on the same playing field of skill.
Keep in mind as well this game takes place hundreds of years before the first Star Wars movie was set so Jedi were as equal as the rest.
This guy has got it right.
This game will never shake the SWG shadow.
I think the problem is everyone wants to be a jedi/sith but some people realize that there will be endless jedi/sith and will choose a different class. While the others sit and complain that there will be to many jedi/sith for their own selfish ambitions on being a "leet" jedi/sith. Ill admit if i am to play this game I would like to play sith, but I know that it will be an extremely popular class which is a deterant for me.
IMO jedi and sith should be NPC only but that wouldnt sell game copies now would it? I am a SW fan and this game can not due justice to jedi/sith powers, because of class balance issues, which is sad.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Personally, I'll have one of every Sith Empire class on one server and one of every Galactic Republic class on another server. Obviously I'll have a main on each side/server, but as to which class that will be I have no idea. I will play every class through the entire game to experience the different storylines and then settle on one from each server to use for endgame content and PvP.
Do I think that Jedi and Sith will be the most played? Yes, I do, at least initially. Later people will gravitate to whatever class suits them best. Jedi and Sith will probably be very popular with the younger players due to most of their Star Wars experience coming from the God-awful prequels and Clone Wars nonsense. Older players, on the other hand, are probably more likely to roll other classes such as Bounty Hunter or Smuggler (if that is indeed a class in SW:TOR).
Six months after release I expect that the game will have a pretty even spread of classes, with Jedi/Sith just edging it, but by no means being massively overplayed.
MMORPG History:
Playing - EVE Online.
Played (Retired) - AO, SWG, MxO, WoW, RFO, SoR, CoX, EQ2, GW, L2, Vanguard, LotRO, AoC, TCoS, Aion.
Favourite MMO - Pre-CU SWG, 3 Years, 4 Accounts, 2 Pre-CU Jedi (1 Pre-9).
Awaiting - Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Secret World, Earthrise.
I really don't get why people think jedi are gods, they die by the thousands all over in KoToR lore. So yeah they have the force, oooo but if you know how to control your own mind they die easy as chickens.
It will probably be how Death Knights were with WoW. At launch, everyone and their grandma will play a Jedi/Sith and then we'll start seeing more of other classes especially if Jedi/Sith aren't the OP FotM. Sounds kind of ironic that another class could be the OP one but if they're trying to balance the classes, it's bound to happen.
I doubt it will be OP because every class has a counter measure to ensure nobody is OP.
[(T+G=W)=Gr*Nf]-S=FoF
T=Time G=Gear W=Win Gr=Grind Nf=NoFun S=Skill FoF=FullofFail
"Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's azz by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather to take his word for it?" - Tommy Boy
While that sounds nice on paper, putting it into practice is a whole nother story altogether.
What games have not failed?
World of Warcraft, EVE Online, Lord of the Rings Online and umm... darn.
By your own defintion, World of Warcraft is the only MMO in the history of MMOs that hasn't failed. Every game that has ever come out eventually lost subs. I guess when the day FINALLY arrives that World of Warcraft is pulling less than a million subs it will be a failure. But that would be after 5+ years as the number one MMO on the market. So it's safe to say your little standards are unrealistic.
But you guys still haven't answered my question. Just what is the intended purpose of trolling forums and predicting doom for all games that aren't even in BETA yet? Is it because you lack attention in the real world or is there some method to your madness?
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
I always thought it was because they really wanna see this game fail. I see no other explanation, unless somebody else wants to disagree.