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FFXIV just changed my plans.

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  • XzaroXzaro Member UncommonPosts: 1,719
    Originally posted by Tykero


    Final Fantasy 11 was a terrible game.
     
    It had a fantastic setting, and the artistic style, albeit limited, was very beautiful.
     
    The game itself was terrible. Junk. Clunky, shallow, slow,... boring.
     
     
     
    I'm not terribly excited about Final Fantasy 14 for this reason. I'm sure they'll do a great job of capturing the setting, and making a wonderful immersive world, but if they don't shape up for the actual game, then they're going to have yet another niche title that could have been great.
     


     I'm not too sure you know anything about Final Fantasy XI at all, and perhaps the MMO market in general.

    "Yet another niche title that could have been great"? You mean one of the most subscribed MMORPG on the market for the last 5 years?

     

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  • Larry2298Larry2298 Member Posts: 865

     

    To be honest with you, I am completely lose any interest to Squarenix or SONY games. They are just too Japanese type. And SONY is not a name worth credibility.

     

  • MustaphaMondMustaphaMond Member UncommonPosts: 341
    Originally posted by Larry2298


     
    To be honest with you, I am completely lose any interest to Squarenix or SONY games. They are just too Japanese type. And SONY is not a name worth credibility.
     

     

    '"too Japanese type" ... what does this mean? Too grindy? Does the art look too cutesy/anime-y? I don't get what you mean...

  • AumHybridAumHybrid Member UncommonPosts: 75

    This announcement certaintly DID change my plans!

     

    I haven't been looking forward to a release this much since EQ2 back in the day haha!  FFXI was an amazing game, and even if it was extremely similar, I would still be excited as hell to buy it.

     

    Damn I can't wait haha!  Star Wars and AION are jjust bumps in the road to me now :D

  • AumHybridAumHybrid Member UncommonPosts: 75
    Originally posted by Tykero


    Final Fantasy 11 was a terrible game.
     
    It had a fantastic setting, and the artistic style, albeit limited, was very beautiful.
     
    The game itself was terrible. Junk. Clunky, shallow, slow,... boring.
     
     
     
    I'm not terribly excited about Final Fantasy 14 for this reason. I'm sure they'll do a great job of capturing the setting, and making a wonderful immersive world, but if they don't shape up for the actual game, then they're going to have yet another niche title that could have been great.

    Last time I checked, FFXI ranked 5th in subscription under the two lineages, runescape and WoW.

  • PrecusorPrecusor Member UncommonPosts: 3,589

    Square-Enix E3 2005 Untitled MMORPG Tech Demo

    www.youtube.com/watch

     

    HOT

  • Shoko_LiedShoko_Lied Member UncommonPosts: 2,193

    Ok ok... Now that i've settled down and am dueling a little less. I must say, I have still not abandoned aion. THis changed my plans, but didn't make me jump ship. Reason: Aion still loks awsome.

    Here are the main reasons

    Aion will be awsome-tastical PVP game with awsome armors, crafting ect. Targeted towards PVP

    FFXIV will be awsome-tastical PVE game with awsome armors, crafting ect. Targeted towards PVE

    Get my drift? Opposite genre... I find it highly difficult to believe that SE the traditional RPG maker would make a PVP oriented fantasy game. Somehow, the words themselves don't fit. So as long as the overal endgame/higher level content is soooo diverse, I can happily have both ( ;

  • PrecusorPrecusor Member UncommonPosts: 3,589

    FFXIV will have some unbalanced PVP

  • Shoko_LiedShoko_Lied Member UncommonPosts: 2,193
    Originally posted by Precusor


    Square-Enix E3 2005 Untitled MMORPG Tech Demo
    www.youtube.com/watch
     
    HOT



     

    Yeah i've seen that. And it's ancient too. To think the actual game will looks many times better.

  • PrecusorPrecusor Member UncommonPosts: 3,589
    Originally posted by denshing




     
    Yeah i've seen that. And it's ancient too. To think the actual game will looks many times better.

     

    Looked great then and after some major tweaks it will look simply amazing.

  • arcdevilarcdevil Member Posts: 864

    the chances of FF XIV failing are astronomical. FF XI flopped,and from what i saw, FF XIV is just a FFXI sequel. FFXI with revamped gfx

    unholy grind, forced group from the get-go to kill even the lamest noob area mob, every second of the game and story screaming JAPAN

    and turn based online combat? oh god, when did i time-travel back to the 90's?

     

     

    seriously,the FF saga has gone from great to mediocre to pathetic with every single release after 7. let it die already

    not to mention if i see another chocobo i might puke on my screen

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059

    So much enthusiasm and hype, when we know so very little about it.

    Seen this pattern before, usually ends in heartbreak.

    Could be good, could suck, who can say. 

    Think I'll withhold my excitement until a bit more is known, however I guess if you enjoyed the first game you can hope the 2nd will equal or surpass it.

    Take it from an old DAOC player who thought WAR would be the next great evolution.... it doesn't always work out that way.

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  • HyanmenHyanmen Member UncommonPosts: 5,357
    Originally posted by arcdevil


    the chances of FF XIV failing are astronomical. FF XI flopped,and from what i saw, FF XIV is just a FFXI sequel. a FFXI with revamped gfx
    turn based online combat? oh god, when did i time-travel back to the 80's?
     
     
    seriously,the FF saga has gone from great to mediocre to pathetic with every single release after 7. let it die already
    not to mention if i see another chocobo i might puke on my screen

     

    ITT: 500 000-400 000 player MMO lasts for 7 years: Flop.

    Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
  • arcdevilarcdevil Member Posts: 864
    Originally posted by Hyanmen

    Originally posted by arcdevil


    the chances of FF XIV failing are astronomical. FF XI flopped,and from what i saw, FF XIV is just a FFXI sequel. a FFXI with revamped gfx
    turn based online combat? oh god, when did i time-travel back to the 80's?
     
     
    seriously,the FF saga has gone from great to mediocre to pathetic with every single release after 7. let it die already
    not to mention if i see another chocobo i might puke on my screen

     

    ITT: 500 000-400 000 player MMO lasts for 7 years: Flop.

     

    500,000?

    400,000?

    try half that.

     

    and that because the devs finally bit the bullet and cut the grind in what...1/1000th? before that the game was damn close to pull the plug

     

    not to mention the supposed playerbase was well over the 20m....

    1-2% of the FF fanbase...epic succeed?

     

  • HyanmenHyanmen Member UncommonPosts: 5,357
    Originally posted by arcdevil


     
    500,000?
    400,000?
    try half that.
     
    and that because the devs finally biten the bullet and cut the grind in what...1/1000th? before that the game was damn close to pull the plug
     
    not to mention the supposed playerbase was well over the 20m....
     

     

    ITT: Exaggeration.

     

    You don't know. But it's okay. You'll see for yourself then.

    Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
  • arcdevilarcdevil Member Posts: 864
    Originally posted by Hyanmen



    ITT: Exaggeration.
     
    You don't know. But it's okay. You'll see for yourself then.

    ITT: sadness

    when not even fanbois know wtf they'r talking about

     

    str8 from wikipedia

     

    "Overall, the Final Fantasy series has been critically acclaimed and commercially successful, though each installment has seen different levels of success. The series has seen a steady increase in total sales; it sold 45 million units worldwide by August 2003 and 63 million units by December 2005.[95][96] As of July 7, 2008, the series has sold over 85 million units worldwide"

     

    85m units sold worldwide

    their online game struggles to survive with less players than Lineage 2

     

    ITT also: redefinition of succeed. when "not very very VERY horrible" equals "good"

  • DameonkDameonk Member UncommonPosts: 1,914
    Originally posted by arcdevil




    500,000?
    400,000?
    try half that.

     

    No one knows how many subscribers FFXI actually has at this moment except for Square-Enix.  Good job making stuff up though.  I'm sure someone believed you, which is the sad part.

    Failure, indeed.

     

    "There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."

  • arcdevilarcdevil Member Posts: 864
    Originally posted by Dameonk

    Originally posted by arcdevil




    500,000?
    400,000?
    try half that.

     

    No one knows how many subscribers FFXI actually has at this moment except for Square-Enix.  Good job making stuff up though.  I'm sure someone believed you, which is the sad part.

    Failure, indeed.

     

     

    those who play/played (like me) know that 500,000 is so close to the truth as 5 billion. even 250k subs would surprise me

     

    their last milestone was about "2m characters", counting people with several accounts,accoutns with several chars, and recently inactive accounts

    that alone tells us about their "succeed",when such crap is worth an announcement

  • HyanmenHyanmen Member UncommonPosts: 5,357
    Originally posted by arcdevil


    ITT: sadness
    when not even fanbois know wtf they'r talking about
     
    str8 from wikipedia
     
    "Overall, the Final Fantasy series has been critically acclaimed and commercially successful, though each installment has seen different levels of success. The series has seen a steady increase in total sales; it sold 45 million units worldwide by August 2003 and 63 million units by December 2005.[95][96] As of July 7, 2008, the series has sold over 85 million units worldwide"
     
    85m units sold worldwide
    their online game struggles to survive with less players than Lineage 2
     
    ITT also: redefinition of succeed. when "not very very VERY horrible" equals "good"

     

    What SE Has said: "We're expecting to have around 100 000 subscribers if we're lucky... we've been generally very surprised about Japanese reaction to the game; more than 20 000 suscribers already!"  This was from 2002.

     

    Now let's see, Even if it was as little as 250k subscribers (lol), the MMO far exceeded the expectations SE had for it. Also, how about having 400k subscribers pay 13 dollars every month for 5 years instead of 5million pay 50 dollars once in 5 years? Which one is more profitable? Lolflop

     

    There is also some concrete evidence... FFXIAH. Look at the database, shows around 12 500 active characters per server. With 32 servers that comes down to... Exactly 400 000 players. Some have mules in Jeuno, but most keep their mules in starter cities which don't count in the database at all. And yeah, SE could have paid FFXIAH to change the data!!1 No.

    Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
  • arcdevilarcdevil Member Posts: 864
    Originally posted by Hyanmen
    What SE Has said: "We're expecting to have around 100 000 subscribers if we're lucky... we've been generally very surprised about Japanese reaction to the game; more than 20 000 suscribers already!"  This was from 2002.
     
    Now let's see, Even if it was as little as 250k subscribers (lol), the MMO far exceeded the expectations SE had for it. Also, how about having 400k subscribers pay 13 dollars every month for 5 years instead of 5million pay 50 dollars once in 5 years? Which one is more profitable? Lolflop

     

    guess its all about expectatives then. i pity SE for having an ~100m franchise and expecting 100k players.

     

    btw, one thing i agree with your post. japan inflated those numbers big time. the repercussion of FF in west was even lower, and i dont think its gonna be much better with 14, awesome gfx or not the game screams "WAPANESES ONLY"

  • HyanmenHyanmen Member UncommonPosts: 5,357
    Originally posted by arcdevil

    Originally posted by Hyanmen
    What SE Has said: "We're expecting to have around 100 000 subscribers if we're lucky... we've been generally very surprised about Japanese reaction to the game; more than 20 000 suscribers already!"  This was from 2002.
     
    Now let's see, Even if it was as little as 250k subscribers (lol), the MMO far exceeded the expectations SE had for it. Also, how about having 400k subscribers pay 13 dollars every month for 5 years instead of 5million pay 50 dollars once in 5 years? Which one is more profitable? Lolflop

     

    guess its all about expectatives then. i pity SE for having an ~100m franchise and expecting 100k players.

     

    btw, one thing i agree with your post. japan inflated those numbers big time

     

    Well, if we look at the MMO's back then none had that many players in the end. At least no WoW numbers, although there were some with million or more players. I would expect SE to challenge WoW this time around, but if they can succeed or not I don't know. You say they can't, and I say they can. It'll be interesting to see the outcome at least.

    Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
  • arcdevilarcdevil Member Posts: 864
    Originally posted by Hyanmen



     shows around 12 500 active characters per server. With 32 servers that comes down to... Exactly 400 000 players.

    chars != accounts

     

    sorry,but there's plenty of decent level mules. and many people have several fairly leveled chars that use from time to time. i know because that (was) my situation

    again: try half that and your closer to the truth

    or simply log in the game and see for yourself

     

    200k is 200k.....or is it? i argue about the succeed and impact of the game

    200k players for darkfall, an indie production with 0 background and starting fanbase is like JACKPOT

    200k players for FF, the best selling RPG saga of gaming history with over 100m units sold is like "ok what did we do wrong?"

  • HyanmenHyanmen Member UncommonPosts: 5,357
    Originally posted by arcdevil


    chars != accounts
     
    sorry,but there's plenty of decent level mules. and many people have several fairly leveled chars that use from time to time. i know because that (was) my situation
    again: try half that and your closer to the truth
    or simply log in the game and see for yourself
     
    200k is 200k.....or is it? i argue about the succeed and impact of the game
    200k players for darkfall, an indie production with 0 background and starting fanbase is like JACKPOT
    200k players for FF, the best selling RPG saga of gaming history with over 100m units sold is like "ok what did we do wrong?"

     

    I doubt that half the people have several leveled chars or mules. I can not prove you wrong either though, but neither can you me.

     

    It's SE's fault for aiming so low in the first place. If they expect 100k, and get 250k, I think it's a success no matter how you look at it.  

    Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
  • protorocprotoroc Member Posts: 1,042

    ATM not interested, it looks like a graphical update of FFXI (I swear I even saw a Galka at the end). I would have hoped they would at least change the setting to something more steampunk to match it with what design styles that have been used in FInal Fantasy since VI.

  • arcdevilarcdevil Member Posts: 864

    also,we'r talking about successful here. successful and profitable are not the same. e.x WAR is not successful,more like the contrary, but im sure it still is profitable. and FFXIV will be profitable,i dont have the smallest trace of doubt about it

     

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