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  • qombiqombi Member UncommonPosts: 1,170
    Originally posted by Meleagar

    Originally posted by Palebane


     In my opinion, you are too concerned with how other players view your character. Who cares if you are 2nd rate with 3rd rate gear? Those concepts shouldn't even exist if you are having fun playing the game. If the only fun part of a multiplayer game is trying to keep up with everyone else, coveting their gear and stuff, then I honestly feel sorry for you. Play the game at your own pace and say to hell with what anyone else thinks about your gear. 



     

     I'm concerned with how much of the game content is available to me when I am paying exactly the same amount as everyone else.  Why should I pay to play a game that deliberately codes my playstyle out of all of the top end content? Why should I be satisfied with that?  If  you bought a ticket to a concert, and paid as much as everyone else, and when you got to the concert  you were told that because you hadn't listened to 4 hours of the band's music every day, you were going to have to be satisfied with the worst seats, while those that listened to the band's music 8 hrs a day would get a back stage pass ... would you be satisfied with that? 

    If you would, then I feel sorry for you. I'm not going to "find a way to enjoy" a game that does that; it's my money, and I'll spend it on the company that creates the game that suits me and my playstyle. If it's not your cup of tea, then don't buy it and don't play it, but please don't tell me what I should and should not enjoy, and should and should not be satisified with in any game I consider buying.  You buy and play the games you enjoy for whatever reason you enjoy them, and I'll agree not to try and psychoanalyze your personality and tell you why you're a bad person for it.

     

    You are not concerned with how much game content is available to you. You are asking to skip content when you are away. That is not being concerned with having content. It doesn't matter how fast you level, the content is there for you to enjoy. Asking to skip the content though and then saying you are requesting this because you are concerned how much content is available to you is plain silly. Who cares if you don't see it as fast as someone else with more time? 

    Your request is nothing more than a request to cheat to finish a game you bought to supposedly to play. Why not just save yourself the trouble and not buy it if you don't want to actually play it?

  • ThradarThradar Member Posts: 949
    Originally posted by Bastioni

    Originally posted by pyrofreak


    Go play EVE.

     

    EVE, the only game you win by being offline and not getting killed.

    EVE, it's so good you don't even have to play.

    (I could do this all day)

     

    LOL!  Thanks for the Sat morning laugh (yes, I was eating cereal).

  • MeleagarMeleagar Member Posts: 407
    Originally posted by qombi


    You are not concerned with how much game content is available to you. You are asking to skip content when you are away. That is not being concerned with having content. It doesn't matter how fast you level, the content is there for you to enjoy. Asking to skip the content though and then saying you are requesting this because you are concerned how much content is available to you is plain silly. Who cares if you don't see it as fast as someone else with more time? 
    Your request is nothing more than a request to cheat to finish a game you bought to supposedly to play. Why not just save yourself the trouble and not buy it if you don't want to actually play it?



     

    Why would I skip content that was fun and compelling?  If there is content in the game that I would rather skip - like, say, performing the same tired quest for the 20th time, or killing the same tired bandit for the 100th time, or blacksmithing that 20th axe to get my skill up, then it would be smart programming to have a mechanism installed where I can skip content that I find boring or non-fun.

    If I want to stay offline and study my way up for 3 years to max level, who cares? Why should the game company care? They'll have spent no money on bandwidth for me, and have earned 3 years of subscription; and when I play, I'll be someone who cannot play his character at all .. but who will care?  What difference would it possibly make to anyone?

     

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by Meleagar

    Originally posted by qombi


    You are not concerned with how much game content is available to you. You are asking to skip content when you are away. That is not being concerned with having content. It doesn't matter how fast you level, the content is there for you to enjoy. Asking to skip the content though and then saying you are requesting this because you are concerned how much content is available to you is plain silly. Who cares if you don't see it as fast as someone else with more time? 
    Your request is nothing more than a request to cheat to finish a game you bought to supposedly to play. Why not just save yourself the trouble and not buy it if you don't want to actually play it?



     

    Why would I skip content that was fun and compelling?  If there is content in the game that I would rather skip - like, say, performing the same tired quest for the 20th time, or killing the same tired bandit for the 100th time, or blacksmithing that 20th axe to get my skill up, then it would be smart programming to have a mechanism installed where I can skip content that I find boring or non-fun.

    If I want to stay offline and study my way up for 3 years to max level, who cares? Why should the game company care? They'll have spent no money on bandwidth for me, and have earned 3 years of subscription; and when I play, I'll be someone who cannot play his character at all .. but who will care?  What difference would it possibly make to anyone?

     

      A game that plays itself? Has to be the ultimate definition of lazy.

  • Rath444Rath444 Member Posts: 35

    Wow, where to start.

    I personally don't have much time dedicated to MMO's anymore.  I take it as a given that I'm not going to have the best toon in the game.  I also know my personal skills in the new games I play may not match many others.  (Run into me in UO or DAOC back in "the day" and you would be impressessed)  But that's how it works isn't it?  I do less work, so why should I get the same reward as those kids and 20 somethings who spend their best years sitting in front of a monitor? 

    To put it another way, MMO's are social by nature.  (at least the good ones are).  And your demographics are going to  come from across the board.   My friend, you and I simply do not fit well into any well established companies business model.

    I agree the single player MMO would seem to be the solution as long as you don't miss the social aspect.   As far as reconsiing myself with being the town whimp.  I tend to find more common ground with the lower level players because, as is often the case, their time crunching life styles tend to be the same as mine.  Log into WOW and play for a while as a level 12-20 and you may find many players who raise children in their homes.

    ~R~

  • MeleagarMeleagar Member Posts: 407
    Originally posted by Rath444


    Wow, where to start.
    I personally don't have much time dedicated to MMO's anymore.  I take it as a given that I'm not going to have the best toon in the game.  I also know my personal skills in the new games I play may not match many others.  (Run into me in UO or DAOC back in "the day" and you would be impressessed)  But that's how it works isn't it?  I do less work, so why should I get the same reward as those kids and 20 somethings who spend their best years sitting in front of a monitor? 
    To put it another way, MMO's are social by nature.  (at least the good ones are).  And your demographics are going to  come from across the board.   My friend, you and I simply do not fit well into any well established companies business model.
    I agree the single player MMO would seem to be the solution as long as you don't miss the social aspect.   As far as reconsiing myself with being the town whimp.  I tend to find more common ground with the lower level players because, as is often the case, their time crunching life styles tend to be the same as mine.  Log into WOW and play for a while as a level 12-20 and you may find many players who raise children in their homes.
    ~R~



     

    I appreciate the advice, but I prefer not to fund game companies that deliberately code me into being a 3rd class character, when it is certainly possible via various mechanics to create an MMOG that provides equalilty capacity regardless of how much time one has to invest in the game.

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221
    Originally posted by Meleagar

    Originally posted by Rath444


    Wow, where to start.
    I personally don't have much time dedicated to MMO's anymore.  I take it as a given that I'm not going to have the best toon in the game.  I also know my personal skills in the new games I play may not match many others.  (Run into me in UO or DAOC back in "the day" and you would be impressessed)  But that's how it works isn't it?  I do less work, so why should I get the same reward as those kids and 20 somethings who spend their best years sitting in front of a monitor? 
    To put it another way, MMO's are social by nature.  (at least the good ones are).  And your demographics are going to  come from across the board.   My friend, you and I simply do not fit well into any well established companies business model.
    I agree the single player MMO would seem to be the solution as long as you don't miss the social aspect.   As far as reconsiing myself with being the town whimp.  I tend to find more common ground with the lower level players because, as is often the case, their time crunching life styles tend to be the same as mine.  Log into WOW and play for a while as a level 12-20 and you may find many players who raise children in their homes.
    ~R~



     

    I appreciate the advice, but I prefer not to fund game companies that deliberately code me into being a 3rd class character, when it is certainly possible via various mechanics to create an MMOG that provides equalilty capacity regardless of how much time one has to invest in the game.

    I find it very hard to take this seriously.  You want to play an MMO but you do not have the time required to enjoy the game? Welcome to grownup land. How about other time consuming activities? Its all about choices and i really doubt game devs are going to create a game anytime soon that will meet your special needs. So there it is, provide for you and yours or play a game, the choice is yours.

  • MeleagarMeleagar Member Posts: 407
    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Meleagar

    Originally posted by Rath444


    Wow, where to start.
    I personally don't have much time dedicated to MMO's anymore.  I take it as a given that I'm not going to have the best toon in the game.  I also know my personal skills in the new games I play may not match many others.  (Run into me in UO or DAOC back in "the day" and you would be impressessed)  But that's how it works isn't it?  I do less work, so why should I get the same reward as those kids and 20 somethings who spend their best years sitting in front of a monitor? 
    To put it another way, MMO's are social by nature.  (at least the good ones are).  And your demographics are going to  come from across the board.   My friend, you and I simply do not fit well into any well established companies business model.
    I agree the single player MMO would seem to be the solution as long as you don't miss the social aspect.   As far as reconsiing myself with being the town whimp.  I tend to find more common ground with the lower level players because, as is often the case, their time crunching life styles tend to be the same as mine.  Log into WOW and play for a while as a level 12-20 and you may find many players who raise children in their homes.
    ~R~



     

    I appreciate the advice, but I prefer not to fund game companies that deliberately code me into being a 3rd class character, when it is certainly possible via various mechanics to create an MMOG that provides equalilty capacity regardless of how much time one has to invest in the game.

    I find it very hard to take this seriously.  You want to play an MMO but you do not have the time required to enjoy the game? Welcome to grownup land. How about other time consuming activities? Its all about choices and i really doubt game devs are going to create a game anytime soon that will meet your special needs. So there it is, provide for you and yours or play a game, the choice is yours.



     

    I don't think my "needs" are all that special; I'm sure there are many people in "grown up land" that have done exactly what I have over the past several years; played a few MMOGs, loved the concept of a community, persistent game-world, but hated the fact that they were confined to being 3rd class characters because of their time limitations.  Some people like me would buy maxed-out characters from ebay, or pay for leveling or raiding services. Others would employ bots to advance their characters. I've never done so, but I can see why others do so, and at some point some developer is going to recognize the market those people represent.

    Also, like me, I'm sure a lot of realized over the years that they are not going to get satisfaction from an MMOG the way they are programmed now, and so have just stopped playing them, settling for single-player games. If that's what I have to settle for, that's fine, but I'm certainly going to continue advocating for my game as much as I can.  There's nothing wrong with advocating for such a game in forums like this.  If a game developer wants my money, then they're going to have to market a game to me, and not just try to lure me in with a tossed bone here and there.

  • VengerVenger Member UncommonPosts: 1,309

    You know the fix for this debacle that mmos have become is to slow down progression and give the power back to the characters.  That way the person that can only play casually has just as much opportunity to become elite in a year or so as the power gamer does in a month or so.

     

    "Power to the Character!"

  • firefly2003firefly2003 Member UncommonPosts: 2,527
    Originally posted by Meleagar


    I will happily buy and pay a subscription for an MMOG that (1) allows me to set my character to advance while I'm offline (like the Alganon study system), and (2) all rewards are available (eventually, in some way) to the solo style of play.

    Until then, I refuse to be pay to be a 2nd class or 3rd rate character.  I have too much to do in life to dedicate time to play, or to arrange my schedule around a group or guild, or to log on and warder around trying to find a decent group. I don't have time to raid, and I can't pay that kind of attention to the game.

    I'm not asking all games to cater to me and those like me, I'm just saying there is a market for an MMOG for people like me.
     

    WHOA!!! UPDATE!!!  I just read this at the Alganon site, from a dev chat:

    "Another interesting aspect of studies is that they can open alternate means of advancement. If you hate large group raiding, but want the same rewards, studies can open up the opportunity to get those rewards. We don't want players to be forced to do something they hate so they can get what they need to do what they love."

     

    Offline advancement, and EQUAL REWARDS!!!  Whoop, there it is.

    Umm ok I think maybe you need to play console or single player RPGs perhaps? And it sounds exactly like you want games to cater to people like you and others , what your saying is you want the game to play itself for you and reap the rewards without even logging in... this is the most ridicioulus post I have seen so far on these forums with the exception of the neolives post in the Matrix Online forums.


  • creioncreion Member Posts: 78

    Go play second life

  • firefly2003firefly2003 Member UncommonPosts: 2,527
    Originally posted by HandsomeHuss


    Guys, seriously...wasn't the OP simply advertising Alganon with this thread? I thought it was pretty obvious anyways.

    I was getting the impression as well looking thru all the pages...


  • firefly2003firefly2003 Member UncommonPosts: 2,527
    Originally posted by Meleagar


    Tdog asks: "What is so important that you cannot put 2 hours a night into a video game?
    My question: What is so important about a video game that you're willing to spend 2 hours a night playing it?

     

    How many hours do you spend doing other recreational activities (ex. television, sports, debauchery, other hobbies)

    I myself dont even watch TV anymore since it has all become rubbish and not worth the time, I put that time into gaming , so

    hence I got more time to play.. you can do this as well...


  • einexileeinexile Member UncommonPosts: 197

    My goodness, what will we do if all the neurotic people who want to play by themselves and be spoon fed imaginary rewards piss off back to the couch and wiggle things at the TV? What a loss that would be for our communities, overrun as they are with folks who love making new friends and play not for the loot but for the thrill of the hunt.

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  • qombiqombi Member UncommonPosts: 1,170
    Originally posted by Meleagar

    Originally posted by grandpagamer

    Originally posted by Meleagar

    Originally posted by Rath444


    Wow, where to start.
    I personally don't have much time dedicated to MMO's anymore.  I take it as a given that I'm not going to have the best toon in the game.  I also know my personal skills in the new games I play may not match many others.  (Run into me in UO or DAOC back in "the day" and you would be impressessed)  But that's how it works isn't it?  I do less work, so why should I get the same reward as those kids and 20 somethings who spend their best years sitting in front of a monitor? 
    To put it another way, MMO's are social by nature.  (at least the good ones are).  And your demographics are going to  come from across the board.   My friend, you and I simply do not fit well into any well established companies business model.
    I agree the single player MMO would seem to be the solution as long as you don't miss the social aspect.   As far as reconsiing myself with being the town whimp.  I tend to find more common ground with the lower level players because, as is often the case, their time crunching life styles tend to be the same as mine.  Log into WOW and play for a while as a level 12-20 and you may find many players who raise children in their homes.
    ~R~



     

    I appreciate the advice, but I prefer not to fund game companies that deliberately code me into being a 3rd class character, when it is certainly possible via various mechanics to create an MMOG that provides equalilty capacity regardless of how much time one has to invest in the game.

    I find it very hard to take this seriously.  You want to play an MMO but you do not have the time required to enjoy the game? Welcome to grownup land. How about other time consuming activities? Its all about choices and i really doubt game devs are going to create a game anytime soon that will meet your special needs. So there it is, provide for you and yours or play a game, the choice is yours.



     

    I don't think my "needs" are all that special; I'm sure there are many people in "grown up land" that have done exactly what I have over the past several years; played a few MMOGs, loved the concept of a community, persistent game-world, but hated the fact that they were confined to being 3rd class characters because of their time limitations.  Some people like me would buy maxed-out characters from ebay, or pay for leveling or raiding services. Others would employ bots to advance their characters. I've never done so, but I can see why others do so, and at some point some developer is going to recognize the market those people represent.

    Also, like me, I'm sure a lot of realized over the years that they are not going to get satisfaction from an MMOG the way they are programmed now, and so have just stopped playing them, settling for single-player games. If that's what I have to settle for, that's fine, but I'm certainly going to continue advocating for my game as much as I can.  There's nothing wrong with advocating for such a game in forums like this.  If a game developer wants my money, then they're going to have to market a game to me, and not just try to lure me in with a tossed bone here and there.

     

    They already make thousands of games for people with all kinds of different time constraints. Just because you can't finish the game in one day doesn't mean it isn't made for you. ALL the new MMOs are made for people with time constraints and a lot of the old ones are converting to that as well. There is nothing in World of Warcraft that can't be done in incremental hour play sessions. They offer great gear now with badge rewards for heroic dungeons, the same gear coming out of the high level raids. Also you demand to be able to get everything solo, that has nothing to do with time constraints. It has nothing to do with time constraints be honest. You want fast instant gratification while playing alone. You can demand people make the game you want all you want but they already have. There are plenty of different games designed for different situations/playstyles but you choose to not play them. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. You have to be smart enough to choose the correct games to play.

    So why do you need your game to be online? Let's see what you have stated so far. You don't want to be in a guild. You don't think people should ever set in a 2 hour period playing a game. You don't want to group. You want the game to finish quickly and even level you while off line. It is foolish to pay your subscription fee when single player games offer what you want. How with those restrictions you stated yourself I listed would you have TIME to socialize at all? Why be online again? I think you are illogical.

  • ThekandyThekandy Member Posts: 621
    Originally posted by einexile


    My goodness, what will we do if all the neurotic people who want to play by themselves and be spoon fed imaginary rewards piss off back to the couch and wiggle things at the TV? What a loss that would be for our communities, overrun as they are with folks who love making new friends and play not for the loot but for the thrill of the hunt.

     

    Duck & cover?

  • GoldenDogGoldenDog Member Posts: 586
    Originally posted by Meleagar
    While I"m not there, why shouldn't it? Why should I pay the same subscription rate as powergamers and raiders, and only be capable of having a 2nd rate character with 3rd class rewards because of time restrictions?
    Hey, in any event, that's what Alganon is doing, so I've found my game. You can have yours.



     

    Ok I didn't even get past the first page before feeling a need to comment.  There's so much wrong with this that it's no longer trolling nor funny.

    Go read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.

    This sounds exactly like someone on Government Assistance unwilling to put time and effort into anything and feel they should get the same rewards as the people that do.  Why should you get millions of dollars if you're not willing to work for it?

    How about we just give everyone a million dollars?  What's the value of it then?  Nothing. 

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  • EladiEladi Member UncommonPosts: 1,145

    Alganon seems to me to be a smart company that says

     

    raiders..F*em  , powergames, F*em  Players whit 60 hours on there hands F*em ....



    Those cost money ( server time and load) shout the loudest and are general pains when we need to design someting ...

    naaa..we take the casual player who cost less money in server power use, almost never complain, are easy to mannage cource they have little stake in the game..

     

    the typical move of the mmo market...  firs the roleplayers were trown out, now  its the time for the hardcore players.

    Money money money , Is so funny, In a casual world.....

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