Ok i only got through a couple of pages of this but i have to say that as a DF player i have been trying to be objective and fair....but even when AV release patch notes, that you have all been crying for, now you find something negative in that too. I really hope you label me as a fanboy..please do because to be the oposite seems a huge insult at the moment and something to be ashamed of. It's realy embarassing to read some of this, it's bordering on desperation now. i can just imagine half of you Av haters scavenging around in Av's bins trying to find just a scrap of something to complain about! For gods sake guys/girls let the patch come out and if it falls apart then rip us and Av appart, if not and it improves the game then stand up tall and come back and say well done AV! i'm big enough to admit if it goe's wrong that i myself was wrong so lets see if you people are too. My guess is 70% are nowhere close!
I'm fairly new in these parts, and frankly astounded by the level of trolling. It's one thing to discuss a game and have different opinions; but it's quite another to make bashing a game a full time hobby. It appears there are a good number of folks here (obviously not all) that find bashing DFO, a game in itself. Happens on lots of game boards and is a shame.
-CC
"Lately it occurs to me, what a long, strange trip it's been". -Hunter
Although, you just listed the new land mass in WoW as a little thing...you must realize a new land mass carries all new quests, dungeons, NPC's, storylines, cities, and that's just naming a few things. You just can't shrug it off non-chalantly.
I agree, I was wrong on that.
But, I was debating on the "new, innoative or exciting" thing. The poster I replied to said Darkfall expansion is none of those things, which I wanted to correct. New quests, dungeons, NPC's, storylines aren't anything NEW, EXCITING nor INNOATIVE, in my mind.
I agree my list of WoW's expansion didn't include all of the added things, and that is was a bit biased. Just wanted to point out that player housing, village system, treasure chests, nexus system and what else ARE new, exciting and innoative features.
" If his was off-topic, then your's is as well. Your very poor comparison between a WoW expansion, and the "update" for Darkfall just shows how little you know about what goes into making new content."
This topic quickly changed to "can it be called expansion or not", which to my post was on topic. I commented on my comparison between the two game's expansion's above, and I agree it wasn't really accurate, but that wasn't my point in that post.
The LOTRO comment didn't really have anything to do with it. If Player housing was only thing added in this expansion, then it would be valid, but it isn't.
Are you people really debating about whether free content is an "expansion" or a "patch"?
Pretty sad imo.
Anyway, After reading the expansion notes, i'll give it a few days, scan the community boards for QQ and depending on whether its broke or works, resub.
WoW nerds beware, I come equipped with lazers and anti-QQ missiles. If you mess with me, I will $%£@ you.
Are you people really debating about whether free content is an "expansion" or a "patch"? Pretty sad imo. Anyway, After reading the expansion notes, i'll give it a few days, scan the community boards for QQ and depending on whether its broke or works, resub.
intellegent thinking friend it's as easy as that.
I dont mind people discussing it but at least add something to a conversation. somone even said the patch should be considered vaporware? i am not sure if it was sarcasm ( hoping for thier sake it was ) but surely that old chestnut has been put to bed by now. the game is there! simple. the patch will go in and create problems, gauranteed! all big patches do...anyone who plays MMO's knows that, so we will need to give them a week to fix it up. after that if all sint well...then it's open season on AV and even us "fanboys" cannot defend them.
But if the patch actually improves the game.......
They turned DF into WoW/GW (and whatever games those guys copied). lmao At this rate if AV keeps digging the hole they are in they will reach the other side of the world.
They turned DF into WoW/GW (and whatever games they copied). lmao At this rate if AV keeps digging the hole they are in they will reach the other side of the world.
WTF are u talking about? They are trying to make the game more acessable to people and trying to make the game last in the long run, they are a bloody company and trying to make a game that will lats in the long run and not totally make them bankrupt, hell there this is this thing in life after all your efforts u want things to succeed. How does wanting to succeed make them turning the game inot wow/gw???. If by wanting to make the game more aceesable, user friendly and an overall more enjoyable experience hell they can add lots more elemnts to the game.
But, I was debating on the "new, innoative or exciting" thing. The poster I replied to said Darkfall expansion is none of those things, which I wanted to correct. New quests, dungeons, NPC's, storylines aren't anything NEW, EXCITING nor INNOATIVE, in my mind.
Haha lets just call it a "toaster", because this isn`t some normal expansion. We all know expansion is "make new land", create new "kill X amount of npc's quests" and "grind an insane amount of faction rep with race X to get epic X". If AV can pull this off it will change the entire gameplay.
I don`t understand why anyone would hate such a "toaster". All you wow players would have been ectatic if Blizzard made villages for you. Even the sane Rhinok isn`t satisfied.
"a little more sandboxy, IMO. It still doesn't seem like you can just build your house anywhere you want"
Come on Rhinok, you play Runes of magic and complains about DF's lack of housing and sandbox? It makes we want a house shaped like a foot I could shove up your ass.
Aventurine is infact making something unique in the world of WOW clones, and you complain. That is really really sad and I guess that`s why we only have crappy mmo`s. Just remember to never complain when your present wow clone or future wow clones feels boring. You get what you deserve.
in answer to "the question" posed above - if it works, will it cause DF to grow? Yes, people have been crying out for these kinds of features in MMOs since the fall of SW:G. Although a pre-pay VISA card to limit the risk would still be a plan
WTF are u talking about? They are trying to make the game more acessable to people and trying to make the game last in the long run, they are a bloody company and trying to make a game that will lats in the long run and not totally make them bankrupt, hell there this is this thing in life after all your efforts u want things to succeed. How does wanting to succeed make them turning the game inot wow/gw???. If by wanting to make the game more aceesable, user friendly and an overall more enjoyable experience hell they can add lots more elemnts to the game.
Talking about them doing the same thing as other games. They said they wanted to be different, but now in the end they are going for the money by copying other games before they close down. These guys do not want to save the game they want to pay back the bank. SO you'll see them copy other games and put a price tag on anything and everything to try break even before they shut it down. They are not in it for the game anymore (not by choice really) they are in it to keep their company going.
Spending anytime or money on them now is a waste of time when any smart business would have to cut their losses to get back what they can and move on. There is nothing that will bring this game back, not that i wanted them to fail but they have and they and others need to see that.
Diverging from the "expansion or not" discussion, a few people made comments about flying ships faster. All jokes aside, this got me thinking. I didn't see much mention on the feature list about fixing exploits and wonder if that is something that will show up in the patch notes or if it just isn't a factor in this update.
Being as exploits seem to be a big concern, it seems this would devalue some of the items that are being put in. Most notably, why would I walk around with one of those fancy new weapons if someone is just going to be able to exploit the game to kill me and take it? Why would I get one of those new mounts if someone can exploit and steal it (as opposed to not exploiting and stealing it :P).
I'm not sure this would greatly impact the PvE experience or that some of the community features (village system/housing) would suffer from it, but was just something I was thinking about. I don't expect the expansion page to contain a bullet point every little update they are making so maybe there are exploit fixes in this patch.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
WTF are u talking about? They are trying to make the game more acessable to people and trying to make the game last in the long run, they are a bloody company and trying to make a game that will lats in the long run and not totally make them bankrupt, hell there this is this thing in life after all your efforts u want things to succeed. How does wanting to succeed make them turning the game inot wow/gw???. If by wanting to make the game more aceesable, user friendly and an overall more enjoyable experience hell they can add lots more elemnts to the game.
Talking about them doing the same thing as other games. They said they wanted to be different, but now in the end they are going for the money by copying other games before they close down. These guys do not want to save the game they want to pay back the bank. SO you'll see them copy other games and put a price tag on anything and everything to try break even before they shut it down. They are not in it for the game anymore (not by choice really) they are in it to keep their company going.
Spending anytime or money on them now is a waste of time when any smart business would have to cut their losses to get back what they can and move on. There is nothing that will bring this game back, not that i wanted them to fail but they have and they and others need to see that.
WTF are u talking about? They are trying to make the game more acessable to people and trying to make the game last in the long run, they are a bloody company and trying to make a game that will lats in the long run and not totally make them bankrupt, hell there this is this thing in life after all your efforts u want things to succeed. How does wanting to succeed make them turning the game inot wow/gw???. If by wanting to make the game more aceesable, user friendly and an overall more enjoyable experience hell they can add lots more elemnts to the game.
Talking about them doing the same thing as other games. They said they wanted to be different, but now in the end they are going for the money by copying other games before they close down. These guys do not want to save the game they want to pay back the bank. SO you'll see them copy other games and put a price tag on anything and everything to try break even before they shut it down. They are not in it for the game anymore (not by choice really) they are in it to keep their company going.
Spending anytime or money on them now is a waste of time when any smart business would have to cut their losses to get back what they can and move on. There is nothing that will bring this game back, not that i wanted them to fail but they have and they and others need to see that.
Ahiles is right. You are missing something here... They are simply adding in features that were supposed to make it into launch, but they had to postpone because they were buggy or they ran out of money or whatever reason. They aren't changing the game they are making it what it was supposed to be in the first place.
Your argument makes all that sense since WoW and all these other games had player houses and villages and large scale world PvP... I think this is where the 'WTF are u talking about' came from.
Hay look, its everything that was supposed to be in at launch. Imagine that.
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I think the previous few patches have cut out 90% of the exploits friend. i myself have yet to come across any and you dont really hear much in chat anymore about them.
The closest i have came to hearing of a complaint is a clan member saying he was fighting a enemie in a city and he kept spawn hopping so he couldnt hit him, but then he looked back in his log and noticed the other guy was not hitting also....so we concluded that it was more down to him lagging than exploiting.
My only experience with my character was a red hitting me with virtually every shot he fired as i ran away and dived into water, he even hit me in water. But was it an exploit or not? i couldn't tell, he could have just been a great shot.
I hear a lot of players skilled up by exploiting, but i dont think you can do that anymore?
Hay look, its everything that was supposed to be in at launch. Imagine that.
Player housing, the village system, the compass, the spell books, the Nexus system and the special attribute consumables were not 'supposed to be in at launch'.
Hay look, its everything that was supposed to be in at launch. Imagine that.
Player housing, the village system, the compass, the spell books, the Nexus system and the special attribute consumables were not 'supposed to be in at launch'.
A rose by any other name....
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Hay look, its everything that was supposed to be in at launch. Imagine that.
Player housing, the village system, the compass, the spell books, the Nexus system and the special attribute consumables were not 'supposed to be in at launch'.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Hay look, its everything that was supposed to be in at launch. Imagine that.
Player housing, the village system, the compass, the spell books, the Nexus system and the special attribute consumables were not 'supposed to be in at launch'.
A rose by any other name....
Come on, why not be glad the mmo games are evolving. When a small company like AV can make such a game, imagine what the bigger can do. You play a completely different type of mmo so why go after a small game like Darkfall. You will never play it anyway, and I wont touch Lotr.
AV deserve some credit if they can make this work. I`m not satisfied yet, but happy enough to open my account again.
But, I was debating on the "new, innoative or exciting" thing. The poster I replied to said Darkfall expansion is none of those things, which I wanted to correct. New quests, dungeons, NPC's, storylines aren't anything NEW, EXCITING nor INNOATIVE, in my mind.
Haha lets just call it a "toaster", because this isn`t some normal expansion. We all know expansion is "make new land", create new "kill X amount of npc's quests" and "grind an insane amount of faction rep with race X to get epic X". If AV can pull this off it will change the entire gameplay.
I don`t understand why anyone would hate such a "toaster". All you wow players would have been ectatic if Blizzard made villages for you. Even the sane Rhinok isn`t satisfied.
"a little more sandboxy, IMO. It still doesn't seem like you can just build your house anywhere you want"
Come on Rhinok, you play Runes of magic and complains about DF's lack of housing and sandbox? It makes we want a house shaped like a foot I could shove up your ass.
Aventurine is infact making something unique in the world of WOW clones, and you complain. That is really really sad and I guess that`s why we only have crappy mmo`s. Just remember to never complain when your present wow clone or future wow clones feels boring. You get what you deserve.
The fact that I play one game precludes me from enjoying or being knowledgable about any other game or genre? Unfortunately, in your misplaced and misguided anger, you completely missed the points many of us have tried to make, which are mostly academic:
No, it's not an "expansion" in the traditional MMO sense. Calling it one is a little misleading, especially since two of the marquee features being introduced were promised features that were missed at launch. The fact that players on the official boards are saying things like "Darkfall just went live" speaks volumes. It's more like Darkfall has finally left it's seemingly paid beta state. That's what folks should be excited about, IMO.
Yes, it's a huge and very promising patch. Adding in weather, player housing and villages are very cool. The rest of the changes pretty much amount to balancing and polish, but still seem very good, overall. Hopefully this patch will be a positive turning point for Darkfall.
What's intereesting is that you're so angry, but are--ultimately--saying the same thing I said when you quoted me:
Originally posted by Hotjazz
...I`m not satisfied yet, but happy enough to open my account again.
So, neither of us is fully satisifed, but we both think Darkfall is moving in a positive direction? You must deserve a foot up the ass just as much as I do What's most interesting to me is that you're such a fair weather fan:
Originally posted by Hotjazz
Originally posted by Arcken
Any of you guys notice how few of the prerelease defenders are left? The fanbois I see on here now are new school fairweather fans. Itll wear off soon enough.
I`ll give you this one.
It`s hard to defend Darkfall, because it is a bad game. It`s kinda funny that I still have two active accounts when I want to rage quit every day. Sadly this tells alot about the state MMO`s are these days. I have WoW, AoC and War on my PC, but I rather play Darkfall.
The thing I`m mad about is the grind. I have never ever seen this kinda grind in any mmo, and I started with UO in 98. Hackers, dupers, exploiters, macroers, gankers, bad UI etc, I don`t care. All I want is to get some decent level and pvp. And yes, it will wear off. I`m still killing goblins after two months.
"Ragequit", "it is a bad game, "mad about ... the grind" and"still killing goblins after two months". Who are you really mad at? Its not me. It's yourself for paying for and playing something that you have a an obvious love/hate relationship with and it's Aventurine for delivering a promising, yet flawed gaming experience. Hopefully that will change for the better with this "expansion", as mentioned above.
AV pulls a massive expansion with major and exciting new features in the faces of the trollbots.
Very well done AV , again a sign how potent AV is to surprise anyone with genious ideas.
Excelent job AV.
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Hay look, its everything that was supposed to be in at launch. Imagine that.
I'm still waiting for the people who insisted for weeks that more PvE content was left out deliberately as a conscious decision by Tasos and co. Among other similar reasons, they said more PvE content would be too carebear and AV knows and respects what their hardcore playerbase wants.
They should be up in arms right now, ripping AV's collective neck off for "wussifying" their "hardcore" MMO by adding in all that carebear PvE stuff.
Yet, they're not.
Maybe it's still sinking in and they just need more time.
Good thing I'm not holding my breath.
That said...
I think it's great that they're getting more into the game. More options means more reason to play the game and a better chance of finding things that interest players that might not be interested in other aspects. The more options players have, the greater chance they'll stick around (assuming those activities are fun).
Part of the problem with MMOs these days, IMO, is how whatever content isn't left out entirely is "dumbed down" to being almost pointless.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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I'm fairly new in these parts, and frankly astounded by the level of trolling. It's one thing to discuss a game and have different opinions; but it's quite another to make bashing a game a full time hobby. It appears there are a good number of folks here (obviously not all) that find bashing DFO, a game in itself. Happens on lots of game boards and is a shame.
-CC
"Lately it occurs to me,
what a long, strange trip it's been". -Hunter
I agree, I was wrong on that.
But, I was debating on the "new, innoative or exciting" thing. The poster I replied to said Darkfall expansion is none of those things, which I wanted to correct. New quests, dungeons, NPC's, storylines aren't anything NEW, EXCITING nor INNOATIVE, in my mind.
I agree my list of WoW's expansion didn't include all of the added things, and that is was a bit biased. Just wanted to point out that player housing, village system, treasure chests, nexus system and what else ARE new, exciting and innoative features.
" If his was off-topic, then your's is as well. Your very poor comparison between a WoW expansion, and the "update" for Darkfall just shows how little you know about what goes into making new content."
This topic quickly changed to "can it be called expansion or not", which to my post was on topic. I commented on my comparison between the two game's expansion's above, and I agree it wasn't really accurate, but that wasn't my point in that post.
The LOTRO comment didn't really have anything to do with it. If Player housing was only thing added in this expansion, then it would be valid, but it isn't.
Are you people really debating about whether free content is an "expansion" or a "patch"?
Pretty sad imo.
Anyway, After reading the expansion notes, i'll give it a few days, scan the community boards for QQ and depending on whether its broke or works, resub.
WoW nerds beware, I come equipped with lazers and anti-QQ missiles. If you mess with me, I will $%£@ you.
intellegent thinking friend
it's as easy as that.
I dont mind people discussing it but at least add something to a conversation. somone even said the patch should be considered vaporware? i am not sure if it was sarcasm ( hoping for thier sake it was ) but surely that old chestnut has been put to bed by now. the game is there! simple. the patch will go in and create problems, gauranteed! all big patches do...anyone who plays MMO's knows that, so we will need to give them a week to fix it up. after that if all sint well...then it's open season on AV and even us "fanboys" cannot defend them.
But if the patch actually improves the game.......
I think the biggest questions, no matter how you want to call this. Will it bring back players? Will the population grow?
If not it is all mute. A game like Darkfall needs a large player base. Right now that base is small.
They turned DF into WoW/GW (and whatever games those guys copied). lmao At this rate if AV keeps digging the hole they are in they will reach the other side of the world.
WTF are u talking about? They are trying to make the game more acessable to people and trying to make the game last in the long run, they are a bloody company and trying to make a game that will lats in the long run and not totally make them bankrupt, hell there this is this thing in life after all your efforts u want things to succeed. How does wanting to succeed make them turning the game inot wow/gw???. If by wanting to make the game more aceesable, user friendly and an overall more enjoyable experience hell they can add lots more elemnts to the game.
Haha lets just call it a "toaster", because this isn`t some normal expansion. We all know expansion is "make new land", create new "kill X amount of npc's quests" and "grind an insane amount of faction rep with race X to get epic X". If AV can pull this off it will change the entire gameplay.
I don`t understand why anyone would hate such a "toaster". All you wow players would have been ectatic if Blizzard made villages for you. Even the sane Rhinok isn`t satisfied.
"a little more sandboxy, IMO. It still doesn't seem like you can just build your house anywhere you want"
Come on Rhinok, you play Runes of magic and complains about DF's lack of housing and sandbox? It makes we want a house shaped like a foot I could shove up your ass.
Aventurine is infact making something unique in the world of WOW clones, and you complain. That is really really sad and I guess that`s why we only have crappy mmo`s. Just remember to never complain when your present wow clone or future wow clones feels boring. You get what you deserve.
in answer to "the question" posed above - if it works, will it cause DF to grow? Yes, people have been crying out for these kinds of features in MMOs since the fall of SW:G. Although a pre-pay VISA card to limit the risk would still be a plan
Talking about them doing the same thing as other games. They said they wanted to be different, but now in the end they are going for the money by copying other games before they close down. These guys do not want to save the game they want to pay back the bank. SO you'll see them copy other games and put a price tag on anything and everything to try break even before they shut it down. They are not in it for the game anymore (not by choice really) they are in it to keep their company going.
Spending anytime or money on them now is a waste of time when any smart business would have to cut their losses to get back what they can and move on. There is nothing that will bring this game back, not that i wanted them to fail but they have and they and others need to see that.
Diverging from the "expansion or not" discussion, a few people made comments about flying ships faster. All jokes aside, this got me thinking. I didn't see much mention on the feature list about fixing exploits and wonder if that is something that will show up in the patch notes or if it just isn't a factor in this update.
Being as exploits seem to be a big concern, it seems this would devalue some of the items that are being put in. Most notably, why would I walk around with one of those fancy new weapons if someone is just going to be able to exploit the game to kill me and take it? Why would I get one of those new mounts if someone can exploit and steal it (as opposed to not exploiting and stealing it :P).
I'm not sure this would greatly impact the PvE experience or that some of the community features (village system/housing) would suffer from it, but was just something I was thinking about. I don't expect the expansion page to contain a bullet point every little update they are making so maybe there are exploit fixes in this patch.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Talking about them doing the same thing as other games. They said they wanted to be different, but now in the end they are going for the money by copying other games before they close down. These guys do not want to save the game they want to pay back the bank. SO you'll see them copy other games and put a price tag on anything and everything to try break even before they shut it down. They are not in it for the game anymore (not by choice really) they are in it to keep their company going.
Spending anytime or money on them now is a waste of time when any smart business would have to cut their losses to get back what they can and move on. There is nothing that will bring this game back, not that i wanted them to fail but they have and they and others need to see that.
Hah. You are so deluded.
Talking about them doing the same thing as other games. They said they wanted to be different, but now in the end they are going for the money by copying other games before they close down. These guys do not want to save the game they want to pay back the bank. SO you'll see them copy other games and put a price tag on anything and everything to try break even before they shut it down. They are not in it for the game anymore (not by choice really) they are in it to keep their company going.
Spending anytime or money on them now is a waste of time when any smart business would have to cut their losses to get back what they can and move on. There is nothing that will bring this game back, not that i wanted them to fail but they have and they and others need to see that.
Ahiles is right. You are missing something here... They are simply adding in features that were supposed to make it into launch, but they had to postpone because they were buggy or they ran out of money or whatever reason. They aren't changing the game they are making it what it was supposed to be in the first place.
Your argument makes all that sense since WoW and all these other games had player houses and villages and large scale world PvP... I think this is where the 'WTF are u talking about' came from.
Hay look, its everything that was supposed to be in at launch. Imagine that.
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How are you?" -Me
I think the previous few patches have cut out 90% of the exploits friend. i myself have yet to come across any and you dont really hear much in chat anymore about them.
The closest i have came to hearing of a complaint is a clan member saying he was fighting a enemie in a city and he kept spawn hopping so he couldnt hit him, but then he looked back in his log and noticed the other guy was not hitting also....so we concluded that it was more down to him lagging than exploiting.
My only experience with my character was a red hitting me with virtually every shot he fired as i ran away and dived into water, he even hit me in water. But was it an exploit or not? i couldn't tell, he could have just been a great shot.
I hear a lot of players skilled up by exploiting, but i dont think you can do that anymore?
Player housing, the village system, the compass, the spell books, the Nexus system and the special attribute consumables were not 'supposed to be in at launch'.
Player housing, the village system, the compass, the spell books, the Nexus system and the special attribute consumables were not 'supposed to be in at launch'.
A rose by any other name....
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Player housing, the village system, the compass, the spell books, the Nexus system and the special attribute consumables were not 'supposed to be in at launch'.
A rose by any other name....
Are you speaking in riddles?
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/305250.html
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
So the answer to my question is 'yes'. People usually do that when they've been shot down.
This expansion is bringing something new to the game that wasn't intended for release.
Player housing, the village system, the compass, the spell books, the Nexus system and the special attribute consumables were not 'supposed to be in at launch'.
A rose by any other name....
Come on, why not be glad the mmo games are evolving. When a small company like AV can make such a game, imagine what the bigger can do. You play a completely different type of mmo so why go after a small game like Darkfall. You will never play it anyway, and I wont touch Lotr.
AV deserve some credit if they can make this work. I`m not satisfied yet, but happy enough to open my account again.
Haha lets just call it a "toaster", because this isn`t some normal expansion. We all know expansion is "make new land", create new "kill X amount of npc's quests" and "grind an insane amount of faction rep with race X to get epic X". If AV can pull this off it will change the entire gameplay.
I don`t understand why anyone would hate such a "toaster". All you wow players would have been ectatic if Blizzard made villages for you. Even the sane Rhinok isn`t satisfied.
"a little more sandboxy, IMO. It still doesn't seem like you can just build your house anywhere you want"
Come on Rhinok, you play Runes of magic and complains about DF's lack of housing and sandbox? It makes we want a house shaped like a foot I could shove up your ass.
Aventurine is infact making something unique in the world of WOW clones, and you complain. That is really really sad and I guess that`s why we only have crappy mmo`s. Just remember to never complain when your present wow clone or future wow clones feels boring. You get what you deserve.
The fact that I play one game precludes me from enjoying or being knowledgable about any other game or genre? Unfortunately, in your misplaced and misguided anger, you completely missed the points many of us have tried to make, which are mostly academic:
What's intereesting is that you're so angry, but are--ultimately--saying the same thing I said when you quoted me:
So, neither of us is fully satisifed, but we both think Darkfall is moving in a positive direction? You must deserve a foot up the ass just as much as I do
What's most interesting to me is that you're such a fair weather fan:
I`ll give you this one.
It`s hard to defend Darkfall, because it is a bad game. It`s kinda funny that I still have two active accounts when I want to rage quit every day. Sadly this tells alot about the state MMO`s are these days. I have WoW, AoC and War on my PC, but I rather play Darkfall.
The thing I`m mad about is the grind. I have never ever seen this kinda grind in any mmo, and I started with UO in 98. Hackers, dupers, exploiters, macroers, gankers, bad UI etc, I don`t care. All I want is to get some decent level and pvp. And yes, it will wear off. I`m still killing goblins after two months.
"Ragequit", "it is a bad game, "mad about ... the grind" and"still killing goblins after two months". Who are you really mad at? Its not me. It's yourself for paying for and playing something that you have a an obvious love/hate relationship with and it's Aventurine for delivering a promising, yet flawed gaming experience. Hopefully that will change for the better with this "expansion", as mentioned above.
~Ripper
AV pulls a massive expansion with major and exciting new features in the faces of the trollbots.
Very well done AV , again a sign how potent AV is to surprise anyone with genious ideas.
Excelent job AV.
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Great news. Finally DF is a true sandbox MMO. Just as the fanbois have wanted : )
And the haters have feared, he he.
I'm still waiting for the people who insisted for weeks that more PvE content was left out deliberately as a conscious decision by Tasos and co. Among other similar reasons, they said more PvE content would be too carebear and AV knows and respects what their hardcore playerbase wants.
They should be up in arms right now, ripping AV's collective neck off for "wussifying" their "hardcore" MMO by adding in all that carebear PvE stuff.
Yet, they're not.
Maybe it's still sinking in and they just need more time.
Good thing I'm not holding my breath.
That said...
I think it's great that they're getting more into the game. More options means more reason to play the game and a better chance of finding things that interest players that might not be interested in other aspects. The more options players have, the greater chance they'll stick around (assuming those activities are fun).
Part of the problem with MMOs these days, IMO, is how whatever content isn't left out entirely is "dumbed down" to being almost pointless.
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