The biggest issue I have is when I browse forums and see the players of a game get bashed. Forums can be a worst community than any in-game community of a mmo. I just notice that a lot of bashing is against players who stand up for a game that others feel is a piece of garbage and undeserving of their attention. Aoc has it's flaws but honestly you can't name a MMO that doesn't have them. Either now and especially when it released.
It just gets kind of old to see people being bashed for supporting a game they enjoy playing. Who cares if it's bad or good. The quality of the game is in the ideals and expectations of the player playing it. I don't like SWG but there are people who enjoy it. I hate end-game WAR, but there are people who enjoy it. Ethically I can't complain at someone for playing the game and bashing them because they enjoy it. They want to play it, so be it, let em be. And if someone wants to bash me for saying I think AoC is a good game then they can f*** off, they're opinion is nothing to me.
"If at first you don't succeed, excessive force is probably the answer."
Oh man, when it first came out there were people that would post trash on the main boards daily. These were people that were supposedly so pissed at the game, they decided to quit. But, they'd daily post their drivel and derail every thread they could get their hands on. These people hated a game, yet they posted daily. I'm convinced some were paid shills from other games. There is no other rational explanation for their daily continuous bombardment.
I played and liked various aspects of AOC, the music is awesome. I'd often just sit and watch the scenery while listening to the music. I think that is what I miss the most. The combos take some getting used to, but actually wasn't bad once you got used to them. The game play wasn't bad, graphics top notch, I enjoyed the repeatable quests.
There were other aspects that kind of killed it for me, crafting was at that time pointless, but I liked it because it was a diversion to just questing and killing. Hopefully some day they'll expand on that more. The development and bug fixes were maddeningly slooooooow, not exactly something you'd expect from a just released game. It always felt to me the devs were trying to play catch up. Hopefully from now forward they can work on new stuff. I think the one thing that pissed me off most, and was the turning point to my outlook of this game was 3 months after release, they were talking of an expansion next year! Forget the damned expansion, fix the main game first, hopefully a lot quicker then you've been doing. I think the expansion talk was my turning point.
Unfortunately, AOC just didn't 'grab me'. I couldn't give any specific reason, but if asked I always suggest trying it. As mentioned there is always posts good and bad on any particular game and if you have the cash to try it, go for it. You alone will only be able to say if you like it or not. Nobody else can do that for you, pretty simple concept really.
One day I may get a wild hair and try it again, I often think of certain things and aspects I really enjoyed.
The sad part is you're somewhat right. Some people are paid a wee bit extra to post negative things on the boards because face it, gamers in general can be gullible and people in general want to hear someone else's opinion, thinking that their opinion is the good words. Sad part is people will listen to opinion before actually making the judgement call themselves.
Hopefully we will neevr become like the Korean market though. I don't know of a western style MMO being a grindfest...right now. At the same time Koreans will rip eachother off. For instance look at Space Cowboy, Ace Online, and Air Riavls...it's all teh same game with the titles being different. But when you look at concept art and graphics and in-game footage, it is physically the same game. Same for Tales of Pirates and Pirate King. Same game, different name each. I have no clue how they think this will work. They obvisouly think gamers are stupid and will play both games. Koreans do it for the money like Americans. The European (and Canadian) developers see to do it for the love of the game. I myself am an aspiring game developer currently going to college for game art and design and I plan on applying to a European developer than an American one.
"If at first you don't succeed, excessive force is probably the answer."
Hey Guys, AoC had a rocky start (which honestly a lot fot he big named MMO's have, including WoW and WAR). A lot of the angry player base are American gamers who got spoiled by easier MMO's that have been around for years and had time to polish the bugs. They're inevitable. Funcom has spent the last year since release fixing bugs and the stability of the game, implementing DirectX 10, itemization, as well as new content to round out the middle and later levels. If you are thinking of playing AoC here's some advice. Don't read threads that bash the game or hate it. All I can say is if you're interested just try it out. Don't let my opinion (love it) or the opinion of others cloud your judgement. Try it out and see what you think for yourselves. I did even after reading the basher/hater posts...and guess what I play AoC now instead of WoW or WAR or EQ2. Get your own opinion from your own experiences.
well i did just this and it sucked. trust me, the game is nothing that it is intended to be.
I came back and initially enjoyed the experience, however there is one thing that will prevent me from continuing my sub - the horrid community. Seriously, Global Chat in AoC on Wiccana makes Barrens Chat seem pleasantly social and civilized. And Wiccanna is the unofficial RP server. Maybe most everyone is role playing a 12-year old social misfit with the people skills of a wild-boy raised by pigmy chimps, I don't know. It's seriously off-putting, though. I know I can turn global chat off, but I do like to watch the conversations pop up and lend a hand when someone posts a question or asks for help. If AoC had the friendlier community of LotRO, or even WoW in its early days, I wouldn't hesitate to continue. But the way it is now, I don't even trust joining a guild in the game. It's like AoC has attracted to most vile of the MMO world, or something. Too bad, too.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
The biggest issue I have is when I browse forums and see the players of a game get bashed. Forums can be a worst community than any in-game community of a mmo. I just notice that a lot of bashing is against players who stand up for a game that others feel is a piece of garbage and undeserving of their attention. Aoc has it's flaws but honestly you can't name a MMO that doesn't have them. Either now and especially when it released. It just gets kind of old to see people being bashed for supporting a game they enjoy playing. Who cares if it's bad or good. The quality of the game is in the ideals and expectations of the player playing it. I don't like SWG but there are people who enjoy it. I hate end-game WAR, but there are people who enjoy it. Ethically I can't complain at someone for playing the game and bashing them because they enjoy it. They want to play it, so be it, let em be. And if someone wants to bash me for saying I think AoC is a good game then they can f*** off, they're opinion is nothing to me.
well said raven. there are plenty of games i have tried that i dont like, so guess what i dont play them. i also dont jump to the game forum and bash it. people are going to like what they like, so let them enjoy themselves and form their own opinions.
IMO no MMO that comes out is completely polished. they all have their flaws. the reason these games are rushed is b/c the companies see people jumping all over offical and unoffical forums saying "how they cant wait for this or that game". when they, the companies, see that they know they have a profit and release a subpar product. which is why i never jump into a game upon release.
Games played:Warhammer, Atlantica, Vanguard, Tabula Rasa, Guild Wars, DDO, City of Heroes/Villians, Aion, and Global Agenda... Games playing: Age of Conan & EVE Games waiting for: SWTOR
The biggest issue I have is when I browse forums and see the players of a game get bashed. Forums can be a worst community than any in-game community of a mmo. I just notice that a lot of bashing is against players who stand up for a game that others feel is a piece of garbage and undeserving of their attention. Aoc has it's flaws but honestly you can't name a MMO that doesn't have them. Either now and especially when it released. It just gets kind of old to see people being bashed for supporting a game they enjoy playing. Who cares if it's bad or good. The quality of the game is in the ideals and expectations of the player playing it. I don't like SWG but there are people who enjoy it. I hate end-game WAR, but there are people who enjoy it. Ethically I can't complain at someone for playing the game and bashing them because they enjoy it. They want to play it, so be it, let em be. And if someone wants to bash me for saying I think AoC is a good game then they can f*** off, they're opinion is nothing to me.
I think if you pay closer attention, youll notice more than a few of the people who are standing up for the game do it by bashing people who have valid complaints. Why they take such deep offense to people acknowledging the games issues, and yes it still has issues, is stupid and reflects badly on the game and it's population. They are fans trolling for more hate on the game. Or just trolls.
A country raised New Zealand girl can kill, bleed, gut, skin and butcher a sheep in about 40 minutes, the sheep are bigger than a large person ... so be careful about pissing off a NZ country girl.
The biggest issue I have is when I browse forums and see the players of a game get bashed. Forums can be a worst community than any in-game community of a mmo. I just notice that a lot of bashing is against players who stand up for a game that others feel is a piece of garbage and undeserving of their attention. Aoc has it's flaws but honestly you can't name a MMO that doesn't have them. Either now and especially when it released. It just gets kind of old to see people being bashed for supporting a game they enjoy playing. Who cares if it's bad or good. The quality of the game is in the ideals and expectations of the player playing it. I don't like SWG but there are people who enjoy it. I hate end-game WAR, but there are people who enjoy it. Ethically I can't complain at someone for playing the game and bashing them because they enjoy it. They want to play it, so be it, let em be. And if someone wants to bash me for saying I think AoC is a good game then they can f*** off, they're opinion is nothing to me.
I think if you pay closer attention, youll notice more than a few of the people who are standing up for the game do it by bashing people who have valid complaints. Why they take such deep offense to people acknowledging the games issues, and yes it still has issues, is stupid and reflects badly on the game and it's population. They are fans trolling for more hate on the game. Or just trolls.
Sorry that's what happens when something you like is trolled left and right. No one wants to read someone bitch over and over again, especially in global chat. It is annoying and disruptive to others experiences. This is entertainment after all, there's no reason to sit around bitching about a video game you don't like, find one you do like. As for issues, I expect you're referring to bugs. Global chat and mmorpg.com are not the proper avenues to report and "help" fix these issues. Besides there's a big difference between discussing an issue, and bashing a game and it's players, the sooner people figure that out, the sooner these pointless debates end.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The biggest issue I have is when I browse forums and see the players of a game get bashed. Forums can be a worst community than any in-game community of a mmo. I just notice that a lot of bashing is against players who stand up for a game that others feel is a piece of garbage and undeserving of their attention. Aoc has it's flaws but honestly you can't name a MMO that doesn't have them. Either now and especially when it released. It just gets kind of old to see people being bashed for supporting a game they enjoy playing. Who cares if it's bad or good. The quality of the game is in the ideals and expectations of the player playing it. I don't like SWG but there are people who enjoy it. I hate end-game WAR, but there are people who enjoy it. Ethically I can't complain at someone for playing the game and bashing them because they enjoy it. They want to play it, so be it, let em be. And if someone wants to bash me for saying I think AoC is a good game then they can f*** off, they're opinion is nothing to me.
I think if you pay closer attention, youll notice more than a few of the people who are standing up for the game do it by bashing people who have valid complaints. Why they take such deep offense to people acknowledging the games issues, and yes it still has issues, is stupid and reflects badly on the game and it's population. They are fans trolling for more hate on the game. Or just trolls.
Sorry that's what happens when something you like is trolled left and right. No one wants to read someone bitch over and over again, especially in global chat. It is annoying and disruptive to others experiences. This is entertainment after all, there's no reason to sit around bitching about a video game you don't like, find one you do like. As for issues, I expect you're referring to bugs. Global chat and mmorpg.com are not the proper avenues to report and "help" fix these issues. Besides there's a big difference between discussing an issue, and bashing a game and it's players, the sooner people figure that out, the sooner these pointless debates end.
You for the most part have been decent about how you handle people being critical of the game, you are willing to admit the problem are there. You and I seem to be able to disagree and remain civil. But I know you must be aware their are more than a few pro-AOC posters here who are just plain angry at anyone who says anything negative, bash people who really don't deserve it (I would agree they deserve to be ignored tho) and basically have the GTFO GO BACK TO WOW attitude that polluted the boards at launch. It all hints at the community you find ingame when you login. I was getting pretty pissed at the level of asshattery in the game till I managed to find 3-4 decent mature players who were friendly. Those asshatz almost made me give up before I even got started on the re-try. It's a shame so many current players are bent on ruining the experience for others.
A country raised New Zealand girl can kill, bleed, gut, skin and butcher a sheep in about 40 minutes, the sheep are bigger than a large person ... so be careful about pissing off a NZ country girl.
You for the most part have been decent about how you handle people being critical of the game, you are willing to admit the problem are there. You and I seem to be able to disagree and remain civil. But I know you must be aware their are more than a few pro-AOC posters here who are just plain angry at anyone who says anything negative, bash people who really don't deserve it (I would agree they deserve to be ignored tho) and basically have the GTFO GO BACK TO WOW attitude that polluted the boards at launch. It all hints at the community you find ingame when you login. I was getting pretty pissed at the level of asshattery in the game till I managed to find 3-4 decent mature players who were friendly. Those asshatz almost made me give up before I even got started on the re-try. It's a shame so many current players are bent on ruining the experience for others.
Don't get me wrong, I agree it works both ways. There are asshatz on both sides of the field, especially in-game. I was about to call it quits myself the second I saw global chat, as you pointed out though. It only takes finding a few cool people, which allows you to ignore the asshatery to an extent. I am more civil simply because I am not a fanboi haha (I also use the same name in-game lol, all games actually), I get that the game has a miriade of issues yet to be taken care of. I also know it's a different experience than the average MMO, some complaints and negative comments should be expected. All I expect is, for those complaints to be civil and cohesive. Saying the game sucks, or is the same as always really doesn't cut it IMO, and I am sure many others agree on that.
You have done a good job of explaining your concerns, and a community is one of the most valuable concerns in regard to MMO's.I've had little to no argument in fact in regard to your concerns, though I do see there's a reason for a lot of this flaming. It's as I said before. There's a big difference between expressing your concern and plainly and simply bashing a game or its players.
edit- to add, bashing people with concerns is just as bad of course!
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I completely agree that it seems to be 50/50 for the bashers. You have the 50% of the ones who hate the game and bash everything about it. Then you have the 50% of the bashers who defend it. But from what I've seen instead of being civilized like you gentlemen are the signals for civility stop somewhere between brain and mouth/fingers and is in stead routed and being replaced by the more primal instincts in human beings ("I'm right, they're wrong...rawr mog eat donut"). It's almost like watching a fued between a christian and a muslim arguing over whose religion is the real one (I am neither). Both can make valid points as well as some bad points but eventually things will boil to blows between them because they get heated and passionate about their beliefs and this is what I see happening on the forums between people hating the game and people who want to stand up for it.
The whole principle behind this thread was if someone was curious then in all honesty just try it...when they bring back trials or if you're not hard up on cash spend the $20 and cancel before the 30 days is up if you don't like it. I've played plenty of MMOs that people said were crappy but I ended up liking just because it seemed to fit me. Yes, I went to the boards and read the many "god I love this game" as well as the "This [insert explitive here] gaem sucks the shlong juice out of a bull."
"If at first you don't succeed, excessive force is probably the answer."
Nice of this guy to step up to make my point crystal clear.
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Quote Barteaux:
" I only see you you complaining about AoC, and still you claim to be playing it(?)
That's just sad.
About time to make another aoc-basher-alt? "
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I really don't see the upside of FC keeping folks like this around, the 1 sub can't be worth the negativity that gets associated to the game because of people with this attitude. I see tons of twonks just like him given free reign of the official forums, it's such a waste of bandwidth.
A country raised New Zealand girl can kill, bleed, gut, skin and butcher a sheep in about 40 minutes, the sheep are bigger than a large person ... so be careful about pissing off a NZ country girl.
seriously tho, I really hope you some day will find a game that you enjoy
But I'll give you cred for one thing; Some of the "new" critics frequenting the aoc part of this forum have left the "Aoc is fail, meh, n00bzor" etc. That is good for the forum, and also a good sign for the progress of AoC
I love how you fanboy's love to bring up the "rocky start" of WoW:
"World of Warcraft won several awards from critics upon release, including Editor's Choice awards.[24][14] In addition, it won several annual awards from the media, being described as the best game in the RPG and MMORPG class.[59] The graphics and audio were also praised in the annual awards, with the cartoonish style[60] and overall sound makeup[61] being noted. The game was also awarded Best Mac OS X Entertainment Product at the 2005 Apple Design Awards.[62] Finally, World of Warcraft was recognised at the 2005 Spike TV Video Game Awards, where it won Best PC Game, Best Multiplayer Game, Best RPG and Most Addictive Game.[63] In 2008, World of Warcraft was honoured (along with Neverwinter Nights and EverQuest) at the 59th Annual Technology & Engineering Emmy Awards for advancing the art form of MMORPG games.[64]
World of Warcraft was the best-selling PC game of 2005 and 2006.[65] As of January 22, 2008, World of Warcraft has surpassed 10 million subscribers worldwide, with more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and about 5.5 million in Asia"
It wouldn't matter if WoW had gone offline for a month and charged it's customers double at it's start given it's spectacular achievements since it's release. While WoW continues to steamroll every MMO there is, as well as every PC game there is or has ever been, keep bringing up that "rocky start".
I am one of the people who won the contest here and received the game for free along with thirty days free play.
I have to say so far I am finding it fun and enjoyable, I have not settled on a particular class as of yet but all seem fun, but start out with some of the same combo's such as bash.
The community on Wiccana is about average for an MMO community, as in there is a mix of helpful and azzhats to go around.
I have played MMO's for a very long time and anymore it seems the community is about the same no matter what game you are playing. gamers for the most part have become spoiled children who expect way to much and cry about everything under the sun. (read for the most part not all)
My point being community is where you find it. MMO's are made up of a diversity of people from all over the world and there will always be azzhats looking to cause some douchebaggery to rain on your jolly fun time, its just the way the world works.
I will end by saying AOC is nothing horribly new or innovative, but it is still entertaining and fun for me so far.
happy playing no matter what game you choose if YOU are having fun then thats all that really matters, not others opinions or choices.
I am one of the people who won the contest here and received the game for free along with thirty days free play. I have to say so far I am finding it fun and enjoyable, I have not settled on a particular class as of yet but all seem fun, but start out with some of the same combo's such as bash. The community on Wiccana is about average for an MMO community, as in there is a mix of helpful and azzhats to go around. I have played MMO's for a very long time and anymore it seems the community is about the same no matter what game you are playing. gamers for the most part have become spoiled children who expect way to much and cry about everything under the sun. (read for the most part not all) My point being community is where you find it. MMO's are made up of a diversity of people from all over the world and there will always be azzhats looking to cause some douchebaggery to rain on your jolly fun time, its just the way the world works. I will end by saying AOC is nothing horribly new or innovative, but it is still entertaining and fun for me so far. happy playing no matter what game you choose if YOU are having fun then thats all that really matters, not others opinions or choices.
If I may, I will /sign this, and agree 100%.
I also wrote a blog post on what may cause such a "ruckus" when others enter an MMO when they have one they already enjoy...It would be nice if people would just accept these games as is...but, another piece of "code" in the game is causing all the issues. That component is called "People"...check it
I love how you fanboy's love to bring up the "rocky start" of WoW: "World of Warcraft won several awards from critics upon release, including Editor's Choice awards.[24][14] In addition, it won several annual awards from the media, being described as the best game in the RPG and MMORPG class.[59] The graphics and audio were also praised in the annual awards, with the cartoonish style[60] and overall sound makeup[61] being noted. The game was also awarded Best Mac OS X Entertainment Product at the 2005 Apple Design Awards.[62] Finally, World of Warcraft was recognised at the 2005 Spike TV Video Game Awards, where it won Best PC Game, Best Multiplayer Game, Best RPG and Most Addictive Game.[63] In 2008, World of Warcraft was honoured (along with Neverwinter Nights and EverQuest) at the 59th Annual Technology & Engineering Emmy Awards for advancing the art form of MMORPG games.[64] World of Warcraft was the best-selling PC game of 2005 and 2006.[65] As of January 22, 2008, World of Warcraft has surpassed 10 million subscribers worldwide, with more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and about 5.5 million in Asia"
It wouldn't matter if WoW had gone offline for a month and charged it's customers double at it's start given it's spectacular achievements since it's release. While WoW continues to steamroll every MMO there is, as well as every PC game there is or has ever been, keep bringing up that "rocky start".
WoW did have a rocky start. It had it's fair share of crashes and bugs (and exploits). WoW, when comparing current and released versions, was a piece of garbage when it released, compared to what you have today. You want to know why it continues to steamroll other MMO's? Because it doesn't require a mid-range system to run smoothly, it's easy and gives you everything, and it's bright and colorful and no gore which parents love. WoW annoys the crap out of me because it's so easy, I prefer a challenge in a game really. I miss the old school days of EQ, when hitting max level was an accomplishment and took many months to hit cap and even then the raids were real raids where there was no "ok dots we need more dots, dot dot dot...ok stop dots." It was attack teh monster and hope for the best. Anyone remember fighting the sleeper? If you weren't careful you caused cataclysmic deaths on a server-wide scale.
If you like WoW then that's nice. Go back to your game and stop trolling the AoC forums and let the grown-up gamers discuss matters within the game.
"If at first you don't succeed, excessive force is probably the answer."
I love how you fanboy's love to bring up the "rocky start" of WoW: "World of Warcraft won several awards from critics upon release, including Editor's Choice awards.[24][14] In addition, it won several annual awards from the media, being described as the best game in the RPG and MMORPG class.[59] The graphics and audio were also praised in the annual awards, with the cartoonish style[60] and overall sound makeup[61] being noted. The game was also awarded Best Mac OS X Entertainment Product at the 2005 Apple Design Awards.[62] Finally, World of Warcraft was recognised at the 2005 Spike TV Video Game Awards, where it won Best PC Game, Best Multiplayer Game, Best RPG and Most Addictive Game.[63] In 2008, World of Warcraft was honoured (along with Neverwinter Nights and EverQuest) at the 59th Annual Technology & Engineering Emmy Awards for advancing the art form of MMORPG games.[64] World of Warcraft was the best-selling PC game of 2005 and 2006.[65] As of January 22, 2008, World of Warcraft has surpassed 10 million subscribers worldwide, with more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and about 5.5 million in Asia"
It wouldn't matter if WoW had gone offline for a month and charged it's customers double at it's start given it's spectacular achievements since it's release. While WoW continues to steamroll every MMO there is, as well as every PC game there is or has ever been, keep bringing up that "rocky start".
WoW did have a rocky start. It had it's fair share of crashes and bugs (and exploits). WoW, when comparing current and released versions, was a piece of garbage when it released, compared to what you have today. You want to know why it continues to steamroll other MMO's? Because it doesn't require a mid-range system to run smoothly, it's easy and gives you everything, and it's bright and colorful and no gore which parents love. WoW annoys the crap out of me because it's so easy, I prefer a challenge in a game really. I miss the old school days of EQ, when hitting max level was an accomplishment and took many months to hit cap and even then the raids were real raids where there was no "ok dots we need more dots, dot dot dot...ok stop dots." It was attack teh monster and hope for the best. Anyone remember fighting the sleeper? If you weren't careful you caused cataclysmic deaths on a server-wide scale.
If you like WoW then that's nice. Go back to your game and stop trolling the AoC forums and let the grown-up gamers discuss matters within the game.
Again, you can go back to a few crashes or game freezes and try to label WoW as having a "rocky start" all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. Not only did WoW have immediate success on a scale larger than anyone had even dreamed of, it continued to for not only months later, but years later dominate PC sales. If that is a "rocky start", then every new game rolling out would die for such a start. AoC on the other hand did a complete nose-dive, and continues to today even almost a year later.
It has been proven time and time again that adults make the vast majority of the player base in WoW. The M rating of AoC on the other hand seems to attract some of the worst gaming audience in any MMO. If you want to label WoW easy, than pehaps you have not yet actually played AoC, because it is one of the easiest MMO's there is to play. I made level 25 in about a day, which is equal to the level in your sig. Maybe you need to play it a bit longer to see how poor the game is than a day?
As for the "good 'ole days of EQ", the game is still there. If you love it so much why not play it? Maybe because the reality is is that while EQ was a brilliant game back when it was released, the idea of mindlessly grinding for hours upon hours just to level appeals to very few these days. As a modern MMO, EQ has more weaknesses than strengths. And while being innovative back in it's day may have persuaded many players to keep playing it, with more choices in MMO's today it remains nothing more than a lackluster old classic.
As for WoW being to easy for you, my guess is that you have never actually raided in WoW, or accomplished any arena rating. If you have then player name/server? These things are easily checked now lol!
Again, you can go back to a few crashes or game freezes and try to label WoW as having a "rocky start" all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. Not only did WoW have immediate success on a scale larger than anyone had even dreamed of, it continued to for not only months later, but years later dominate PC sales. If that is a "rocky start", then every new game rolling out would die for such a start. AoC on the other hand did a complete nose-dive, and continues to today even almost a year later. It has been proven time and time again that adults make the vast majority of the player base in WoW. The M rating of AoC on the other hand seems to attract some of the worst gaming audience in any MMO. If you want to label WoW easy, than pehaps you have not yet actually played AoC, because it is one of the easiest MMO's there is to play. I made level 25 in about a day, which is equal to the level in your sig. Maybe you need to play it a bit longer to see how poor the game is than a day? As for the "good 'ole days of EQ", the game is still there. If you love it so much why not play it? Maybe because the reality is is that while EQ was a brilliant game back when it was released, the idea of mindlessly grinding for hours upon hours just to level appeals to very few these days. As a modern MMO, EQ has more weaknesses than strengths. And while being innovative back in it's day may have persuaded many players to keep playing it, with more choices in MMO's today it remains nothing more than a lackluster old classic. As for WoW being to easy for you, my guess is that you have never actually raided in WoW, or accomplished any arena rating. If you have then player name/server? These things are easily checked now lol!
If you can't admit Wow has had problems maybe you need to re-evaluate the use of the word fanboi, as I've seen you use it quite a few times. There were issues outside of lag and crashes.Every mmo to date has had certain issues, as well as failed promises. It could also be argued Blizzard hasn't exactly given back much of what they have received, how many free expansions have there been thus far? Compare the level of content that has been added to the levels which has been done in EQ2 or even EQ in wow's life span. But, but, but, wow has millions more subscribers you say? Exactly! Yet blizzard hordes that money like a security blanket. They use so much of it to further fund your adventures don't they, lol? Instead they use it to fund other games while the masses pay for test bed systems for future projects and sugar coated rip offs from every other game that releases.
Yes I am not a big fan of WOW, or many other MMO's on the market today, losing interest in AOC already (again) as well. Sure they provide a diversion, but none of them offer an experience that promotes any kind of community. Those days are long gone, instead we have people like this, who worry so much about what everyone else is playing. Rather than worry about the game you're in and how you set an example of what to look forward to when we enter into your domain. It's all an e-peen contest no matter what it's about from your purple epic, to your chosen game. Let me give you some advice, it doesn't make it any bigger.
/end rant
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I love how you fanboy's love to bring up the "rocky start" of WoW: "World of Warcraft won several awards from critics upon release, including Editor's Choice awards.[24][14] In addition, it won several annual awards from the media, being described as the best game in the RPG and MMORPG class.[59] The graphics and audio were also praised in the annual awards, with the cartoonish style[60] and overall sound makeup[61] being noted. The game was also awarded Best Mac OS X Entertainment Product at the 2005 Apple Design Awards.[62] Finally, World of Warcraft was recognised at the 2005 Spike TV Video Game Awards, where it won Best PC Game, Best Multiplayer Game, Best RPG and Most Addictive Game.[63] In 2008, World of Warcraft was honoured (along with Neverwinter Nights and EverQuest) at the 59th Annual Technology & Engineering Emmy Awards for advancing the art form of MMORPG games.[64] World of Warcraft was the best-selling PC game of 2005 and 2006.[65] As of January 22, 2008, World of Warcraft has surpassed 10 million subscribers worldwide, with more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and about 5.5 million in Asia"
It wouldn't matter if WoW had gone offline for a month and charged it's customers double at it's start given it's spectacular achievements since it's release. While WoW continues to steamroll every MMO there is, as well as every PC game there is or has ever been, keep bringing up that "rocky start".
WoW did have a rocky start. It had it's fair share of crashes and bugs (and exploits). WoW, when comparing current and released versions, was a piece of garbage when it released, compared to what you have today. You want to know why it continues to steamroll other MMO's? Because it doesn't require a mid-range system to run smoothly, it's easy and gives you everything, and it's bright and colorful and no gore which parents love. WoW annoys the crap out of me because it's so easy, I prefer a challenge in a game really. I miss the old school days of EQ, when hitting max level was an accomplishment and took many months to hit cap and even then the raids were real raids where there was no "ok dots we need more dots, dot dot dot...ok stop dots." It was attack teh monster and hope for the best. Anyone remember fighting the sleeper? If you weren't careful you caused cataclysmic deaths on a server-wide scale.
If you like WoW then that's nice. Go back to your game and stop trolling the AoC forums and let the grown-up gamers discuss matters within the game.
Again, you can go back to a few crashes or game freezes and try to label WoW as having a "rocky start" all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. Not only did WoW have immediate success on a scale larger than anyone had even dreamed of, it continued to for not only months later, but years later dominate PC sales. If that is a "rocky start", then every new game rolling out would die for such a start. AoC on the other hand did a complete nose-dive, and continues to today even almost a year later.
It has been proven time and time again that adults make the vast majority of the player base in WoW. The M rating of AoC on the other hand seems to attract some of the worst gaming audience in any MMO. If you want to label WoW easy, than pehaps you have not yet actually played AoC, because it is one of the easiest MMO's there is to play. I made level 25 in about a day, which is equal to the level in your sig. Maybe you need to play it a bit longer to see how poor the game is than a day?
As for the "good 'ole days of EQ", the game is still there. If you love it so much why not play it? Maybe because the reality is is that while EQ was a brilliant game back when it was released, the idea of mindlessly grinding for hours upon hours just to level appeals to very few these days. As a modern MMO, EQ has more weaknesses than strengths. And while being innovative back in it's day may have persuaded many players to keep playing it, with more choices in MMO's today it remains nothing more than a lackluster old classic.
As for WoW being to easy for you, my guess is that you have never actually raided in WoW, or accomplished any arena rating. If you have then player name/server? These things are easily checked now lol!
Shadowmane Eldre'thalas. I don't PvP in WoW because Blizzard implemented arenas which killed it. Have fun in WoW once blizzard's new mmo comes out and they dont support the game you probably wasted days, months, years playing.
The raids are easy. I don't play EQ anymroe because the community isn't as large anymore. But you forgot the last line before. I said if you like WoW that's nice. Go back to playing it instead of coming here and trolling the AoC forums. I merely stated the facts about how WoW was craptacular at first since you failed to see them then either A) you're a bandwagon WoW player that started playing just before BC or you have that fan boy glaze over your eyes that fails to see the obvious wrong. At least I can admit AoC has flaws...still waiting for you to man up and admit the same for WoW.
"If at first you don't succeed, excessive force is probably the answer."
Again, you can go back to a few crashes or game freezes and try to label WoW as having a "rocky start" all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. Not only did WoW have immediate success on a scale larger than anyone had even dreamed of, it continued to for not only months later, but years later dominate PC sales. If that is a "rocky start", then every new game rolling out would die for such a start. AoC on the other hand did a complete nose-dive, and continues to today even almost a year later. It has been proven time and time again that adults make the vast majority of the player base in WoW. The M rating of AoC on the other hand seems to attract some of the worst gaming audience in any MMO. If you want to label WoW easy, than pehaps you have not yet actually played AoC, because it is one of the easiest MMO's there is to play. I made level 25 in about a day, which is equal to the level in your sig. Maybe you need to play it a bit longer to see how poor the game is than a day? As for the "good 'ole days of EQ", the game is still there. If you love it so much why not play it? Maybe because the reality is is that while EQ was a brilliant game back when it was released, the idea of mindlessly grinding for hours upon hours just to level appeals to very few these days. As a modern MMO, EQ has more weaknesses than strengths. And while being innovative back in it's day may have persuaded many players to keep playing it, with more choices in MMO's today it remains nothing more than a lackluster old classic. As for WoW being to easy for you, my guess is that you have never actually raided in WoW, or accomplished any arena rating. If you have then player name/server? These things are easily checked now lol!
If you can't admit Wow has had problems maybe you need to re-evaluate the use of the word fanboi, as I've seen you use it quite a few times. There were issues outside of lag and crashes.Every mmo to date has had certain issues, as well as failed promises. It could also be argued Blizzard hasn't exactly given back much of what they have received, how many free expansions have there been thus far? Compare the level of content that has been added to the levels which has been done in EQ2 or even EQ in wow's life span. But, but, but, wow has millions more subscribers you say? Exactly! Yet blizzard hordes that money like a security blanket. They use so much of it to further fund your adventures don't they, lol? Instead they use it to fund other games while the masses pay for test bed systems for future projects and sugar coated rip offs from every other game that releases.
Yes I am not a big fan of WOW, or many other MMO's on the market today, losing interest in AOC already (again) as well. Sure they provide a diversion, but none of them offer an experience that promotes any kind of community. Those days are long gone, instead we have people like this, who worry so much about what everyone else is playing. Rather than worry about the game you're in and how you set an example of what to look forward to when we enter into your domain. It's all an e-peen contest no matter what it's about from your purple epic, to your chosen game. Let me give you some advice, it doesn't make it any bigger.
/end rant
You can find problems with anything if you look hard enough. The FACT is is that WoW is the most popular PC game ever. From the day it was released it was popular and continued to become even more popular than anyone even dreamed it could be from day one onward. Whatever problems you experienced have nothing to do with the fact that most people continue to play WoW because it is fun. Free expansions? Blizzard releases new content with every major patch. So yes, there have been many free expansions. EQ was a totally different model, under which Sony decided to release ongoing retail expansion after expansion. As for Blizzard making money, I could care less what they spend it on. They deserve it, they earned it. I realize this may come as a shock to you, but Blizzard and every other gaming company there is exists only to make (or attempt to make) profit.
I wouldn't really call content you can blow through in a week an expansion. Heck, after WotLK went live, within a week, people had already hit cap on levels, professions, and downed the 25-man versions of the hardest raid bosses and got achievments like "The Immortal". I have seen someone go from level 1 to 70 in under 48 hours. If that doesn't scream easy piece of cake I don't know what is. The reason WoW is popular is because of Blizzard's game record and it's so easy to use. Outside of that it is one of the shallowest games out there and lacks any real depth.
It seems this is another thread that has changed from teh original topic which states if you want to play AoC then just play it and not worry about the opinions of others good or bad, make your own. It is a mature game designed for mature gamers who can make a decision on their own. But yet again, people highjack it to bash both WoW and AoC. Am I guilty of it...yes but only because when I say I enjoy AoC, it is my game of choice, some trolls decide they should bash away anyway because I say I think AoC is good. AoC in it's current form is good.
If you feel the need to bash AoC, go to another thread and do it. But to gank this thread and do other-wsie just shows that you must be purely desperate to spit hate about a game to take over a thread stating for people to make their own choices and own opinions about a game.
"If at first you don't succeed, excessive force is probably the answer."
Ugh, and here I was wondering if AoC was getting better to once again view the dusty old "WoW vs AoC" thread again.
Stick to WoW for fuck's sake and leave other game's threads to those who want to learn/read about said game you ego-centric, attention-grabbing, self-righteous, intellectually impotent sons of bitches!!!
Hey Guys, AoC had a rocky start (which honestly a lot fot he big named MMO's have, including WoW and WAR). A lot of the angry player base are American gamers who got spoiled by easier MMO's that have been around for years and had time to polish the bugs. They're inevitable.
Give me a fuckin' break. As an American gamer, I'm willing to bet I've played harder mmos and older mmos than you probably have. And AoC is not any more hard or complex than any game released in the last 5 years, including WoW. And I hate to break it to you, but Funcom has a shit reputation in their own damn country of Norway. So you can stuff your American bashing elitism up your arse ( was that european enough for you? ).
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The biggest issue I have is when I browse forums and see the players of a game get bashed. Forums can be a worst community than any in-game community of a mmo. I just notice that a lot of bashing is against players who stand up for a game that others feel is a piece of garbage and undeserving of their attention. Aoc has it's flaws but honestly you can't name a MMO that doesn't have them. Either now and especially when it released.
It just gets kind of old to see people being bashed for supporting a game they enjoy playing. Who cares if it's bad or good. The quality of the game is in the ideals and expectations of the player playing it. I don't like SWG but there are people who enjoy it. I hate end-game WAR, but there are people who enjoy it. Ethically I can't complain at someone for playing the game and bashing them because they enjoy it. They want to play it, so be it, let em be. And if someone wants to bash me for saying I think AoC is a good game then they can f*** off, they're opinion is nothing to me.
Oh man, when it first came out there were people that would post trash on the main boards daily. These were people that were supposedly so pissed at the game, they decided to quit. But, they'd daily post their drivel and derail every thread they could get their hands on. These people hated a game, yet they posted daily. I'm convinced some were paid shills from other games. There is no other rational explanation for their daily continuous bombardment.
I played and liked various aspects of AOC, the music is awesome. I'd often just sit and watch the scenery while listening to the music. I think that is what I miss the most. The combos take some getting used to, but actually wasn't bad once you got used to them. The game play wasn't bad, graphics top notch, I enjoyed the repeatable quests.
There were other aspects that kind of killed it for me, crafting was at that time pointless, but I liked it because it was a diversion to just questing and killing. Hopefully some day they'll expand on that more. The development and bug fixes were maddeningly slooooooow, not exactly something you'd expect from a just released game. It always felt to me the devs were trying to play catch up. Hopefully from now forward they can work on new stuff. I think the one thing that pissed me off most, and was the turning point to my outlook of this game was 3 months after release, they were talking of an expansion next year! Forget the damned expansion, fix the main game first, hopefully a lot quicker then you've been doing. I think the expansion talk was my turning point.
Unfortunately, AOC just didn't 'grab me'. I couldn't give any specific reason, but if asked I always suggest trying it. As mentioned there is always posts good and bad on any particular game and if you have the cash to try it, go for it. You alone will only be able to say if you like it or not. Nobody else can do that for you, pretty simple concept really.
One day I may get a wild hair and try it again, I often think of certain things and aspects I really enjoyed.
The sad part is you're somewhat right. Some people are paid a wee bit extra to post negative things on the boards because face it, gamers in general can be gullible and people in general want to hear someone else's opinion, thinking that their opinion is the good words. Sad part is people will listen to opinion before actually making the judgement call themselves.
Hopefully we will neevr become like the Korean market though. I don't know of a western style MMO being a grindfest...right now. At the same time Koreans will rip eachother off. For instance look at Space Cowboy, Ace Online, and Air Riavls...it's all teh same game with the titles being different. But when you look at concept art and graphics and in-game footage, it is physically the same game. Same for Tales of Pirates and Pirate King. Same game, different name each. I have no clue how they think this will work. They obvisouly think gamers are stupid and will play both games. Koreans do it for the money like Americans. The European (and Canadian) developers see to do it for the love of the game. I myself am an aspiring game developer currently going to college for game art and design and I plan on applying to a European developer than an American one.
well i did just this and it sucked. trust me, the game is nothing that it is intended to be.
I came back and initially enjoyed the experience, however there is one thing that will prevent me from continuing my sub - the horrid community. Seriously, Global Chat in AoC on Wiccana makes Barrens Chat seem pleasantly social and civilized. And Wiccanna is the unofficial RP server. Maybe most everyone is role playing a 12-year old social misfit with the people skills of a wild-boy raised by pigmy chimps, I don't know. It's seriously off-putting, though. I know I can turn global chat off, but I do like to watch the conversations pop up and lend a hand when someone posts a question or asks for help. If AoC had the friendlier community of LotRO, or even WoW in its early days, I wouldn't hesitate to continue. But the way it is now, I don't even trust joining a guild in the game. It's like AoC has attracted to most vile of the MMO world, or something. Too bad, too.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
well said raven. there are plenty of games i have tried that i dont like, so guess what i dont play them. i also dont jump to the game forum and bash it. people are going to like what they like, so let them enjoy themselves and form their own opinions.
IMO no MMO that comes out is completely polished. they all have their flaws. the reason these games are rushed is b/c the companies see people jumping all over offical and unoffical forums saying "how they cant wait for this or that game". when they, the companies, see that they know they have a profit and release a subpar product. which is why i never jump into a game upon release.
Games played:Warhammer, Atlantica, Vanguard, Tabula Rasa, Guild Wars, DDO, City of Heroes/Villians, Aion, and Global Agenda...
Games playing: Age of Conan & EVE
Games waiting for: SWTOR
I think if you pay closer attention, youll notice more than a few of the people who are standing up for the game do it by bashing people who have valid complaints. Why they take such deep offense to people acknowledging the games issues, and yes it still has issues, is stupid and reflects badly on the game and it's population. They are fans trolling for more hate on the game. Or just trolls.
A country raised New Zealand girl can kill, bleed, gut, skin and butcher a sheep in about 40 minutes, the sheep are bigger than a large person ... so be careful about pissing off a NZ country girl.
I think if you pay closer attention, youll notice more than a few of the people who are standing up for the game do it by bashing people who have valid complaints. Why they take such deep offense to people acknowledging the games issues, and yes it still has issues, is stupid and reflects badly on the game and it's population. They are fans trolling for more hate on the game. Or just trolls.
Sorry that's what happens when something you like is trolled left and right. No one wants to read someone bitch over and over again, especially in global chat. It is annoying and disruptive to others experiences. This is entertainment after all, there's no reason to sit around bitching about a video game you don't like, find one you do like. As for issues, I expect you're referring to bugs. Global chat and mmorpg.com are not the proper avenues to report and "help" fix these issues. Besides there's a big difference between discussing an issue, and bashing a game and it's players, the sooner people figure that out, the sooner these pointless debates end.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I think if you pay closer attention, youll notice more than a few of the people who are standing up for the game do it by bashing people who have valid complaints. Why they take such deep offense to people acknowledging the games issues, and yes it still has issues, is stupid and reflects badly on the game and it's population. They are fans trolling for more hate on the game. Or just trolls.
Sorry that's what happens when something you like is trolled left and right. No one wants to read someone bitch over and over again, especially in global chat. It is annoying and disruptive to others experiences. This is entertainment after all, there's no reason to sit around bitching about a video game you don't like, find one you do like. As for issues, I expect you're referring to bugs. Global chat and mmorpg.com are not the proper avenues to report and "help" fix these issues. Besides there's a big difference between discussing an issue, and bashing a game and it's players, the sooner people figure that out, the sooner these pointless debates end.
You for the most part have been decent about how you handle people being critical of the game, you are willing to admit the problem are there. You and I seem to be able to disagree and remain civil. But I know you must be aware their are more than a few pro-AOC posters here who are just plain angry at anyone who says anything negative, bash people who really don't deserve it (I would agree they deserve to be ignored tho) and basically have the GTFO GO BACK TO WOW attitude that polluted the boards at launch. It all hints at the community you find ingame when you login. I was getting pretty pissed at the level of asshattery in the game till I managed to find 3-4 decent mature players who were friendly. Those asshatz almost made me give up before I even got started on the re-try. It's a shame so many current players are bent on ruining the experience for others.
A country raised New Zealand girl can kill, bleed, gut, skin and butcher a sheep in about 40 minutes, the sheep are bigger than a large person ... so be careful about pissing off a NZ country girl.
Don't get me wrong, I agree it works both ways. There are asshatz on both sides of the field, especially in-game. I was about to call it quits myself the second I saw global chat, as you pointed out though. It only takes finding a few cool people, which allows you to ignore the asshatery to an extent. I am more civil simply because I am not a fanboi haha (I also use the same name in-game lol, all games actually), I get that the game has a miriade of issues yet to be taken care of. I also know it's a different experience than the average MMO, some complaints and negative comments should be expected. All I expect is, for those complaints to be civil and cohesive. Saying the game sucks, or is the same as always really doesn't cut it IMO, and I am sure many others agree on that.
You have done a good job of explaining your concerns, and a community is one of the most valuable concerns in regard to MMO's.I've had little to no argument in fact in regard to your concerns, though I do see there's a reason for a lot of this flaming. It's as I said before. There's a big difference between expressing your concern and plainly and simply bashing a game or its players.
edit- to add, bashing people with concerns is just as bad of course!
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I completely agree that it seems to be 50/50 for the bashers. You have the 50% of the ones who hate the game and bash everything about it. Then you have the 50% of the bashers who defend it. But from what I've seen instead of being civilized like you gentlemen are the signals for civility stop somewhere between brain and mouth/fingers and is in stead routed and being replaced by the more primal instincts in human beings ("I'm right, they're wrong...rawr mog eat donut"). It's almost like watching a fued between a christian and a muslim arguing over whose religion is the real one (I am neither). Both can make valid points as well as some bad points but eventually things will boil to blows between them because they get heated and passionate about their beliefs and this is what I see happening on the forums between people hating the game and people who want to stand up for it.
The whole principle behind this thread was if someone was curious then in all honesty just try it...when they bring back trials or if you're not hard up on cash spend the $20 and cancel before the 30 days is up if you don't like it. I've played plenty of MMOs that people said were crappy but I ended up liking just because it seemed to fit me. Yes, I went to the boards and read the many "god I love this game" as well as the "This [insert explitive here] gaem sucks the shlong juice out of a bull."
Nice of this guy to step up to make my point crystal clear.
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Quote Barteaux:
" I only see you you complaining about AoC, and still you claim to be playing it(?)
That's just sad.
About time to make another aoc-basher-alt? "
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I really don't see the upside of FC keeping folks like this around, the 1 sub can't be worth the negativity that gets associated to the game because of people with this attitude. I see tons of twonks just like him given free reign of the official forums, it's such a waste of bandwidth.
A country raised New Zealand girl can kill, bleed, gut, skin and butcher a sheep in about 40 minutes, the sheep are bigger than a large person ... so be careful about pissing off a NZ country girl.
seriously tho, I really hope you some day will find a game that you enjoy
But I'll give you cred for one thing; Some of the "new" critics frequenting the aoc part of this forum have left the "Aoc is fail, meh, n00bzor" etc. That is good for the forum, and also a good sign for the progress of AoC
"nerf rock, paper is working as intended."
- Scissors.
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I love how you fanboy's love to bring up the "rocky start" of WoW:
"World of Warcraft won several awards from critics upon release, including Editor's Choice awards.[24][14] In addition, it won several annual awards from the media, being described as the best game in the RPG and MMORPG class.[59] The graphics and audio were also praised in the annual awards, with the cartoonish style[60] and overall sound makeup[61] being noted. The game was also awarded Best Mac OS X Entertainment Product at the 2005 Apple Design Awards.[62] Finally, World of Warcraft was recognised at the 2005 Spike TV Video Game Awards, where it won Best PC Game, Best Multiplayer Game, Best RPG and Most Addictive Game.[63] In 2008, World of Warcraft was honoured (along with Neverwinter Nights and EverQuest) at the 59th Annual Technology & Engineering Emmy Awards for advancing the art form of MMORPG games.[64]
World of Warcraft was the best-selling PC game of 2005 and 2006.[65] As of January 22, 2008, World of Warcraft has surpassed 10 million subscribers worldwide, with more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and about 5.5 million in Asia"
It wouldn't matter if WoW had gone offline for a month and charged it's customers double at it's start given it's spectacular achievements since it's release. While WoW continues to steamroll every MMO there is, as well as every PC game there is or has ever been, keep bringing up that "rocky start".
Now if this game went f2p I'd think about coming back.
I am one of the people who won the contest here and received the game for free along with thirty days free play.
I have to say so far I am finding it fun and enjoyable, I have not settled on a particular class as of yet but all seem fun, but start out with some of the same combo's such as bash.
The community on Wiccana is about average for an MMO community, as in there is a mix of helpful and azzhats to go around.
I have played MMO's for a very long time and anymore it seems the community is about the same no matter what game you are playing. gamers for the most part have become spoiled children who expect way to much and cry about everything under the sun. (read for the most part not all)
My point being community is where you find it. MMO's are made up of a diversity of people from all over the world and there will always be azzhats looking to cause some douchebaggery to rain on your jolly fun time, its just the way the world works.
I will end by saying AOC is nothing horribly new or innovative, but it is still entertaining and fun for me so far.
happy playing no matter what game you choose if YOU are having fun then thats all that really matters, not others opinions or choices.
If I may, I will /sign this, and agree 100%.
I also wrote a blog post on what may cause such a "ruckus" when others enter an MMO when they have one they already enjoy...It would be nice if people would just accept these games as is...but, another piece of "code" in the game is causing all the issues. That component is called "People"...check it
You love your MMO, but hate mine?
WoW did have a rocky start. It had it's fair share of crashes and bugs (and exploits). WoW, when comparing current and released versions, was a piece of garbage when it released, compared to what you have today. You want to know why it continues to steamroll other MMO's? Because it doesn't require a mid-range system to run smoothly, it's easy and gives you everything, and it's bright and colorful and no gore which parents love. WoW annoys the crap out of me because it's so easy, I prefer a challenge in a game really. I miss the old school days of EQ, when hitting max level was an accomplishment and took many months to hit cap and even then the raids were real raids where there was no "ok dots we need more dots, dot dot dot...ok stop dots." It was attack teh monster and hope for the best. Anyone remember fighting the sleeper? If you weren't careful you caused cataclysmic deaths on a server-wide scale.
If you like WoW then that's nice. Go back to your game and stop trolling the AoC forums and let the grown-up gamers discuss matters within the game.
WoW did have a rocky start. It had it's fair share of crashes and bugs (and exploits). WoW, when comparing current and released versions, was a piece of garbage when it released, compared to what you have today. You want to know why it continues to steamroll other MMO's? Because it doesn't require a mid-range system to run smoothly, it's easy and gives you everything, and it's bright and colorful and no gore which parents love. WoW annoys the crap out of me because it's so easy, I prefer a challenge in a game really. I miss the old school days of EQ, when hitting max level was an accomplishment and took many months to hit cap and even then the raids were real raids where there was no "ok dots we need more dots, dot dot dot...ok stop dots." It was attack teh monster and hope for the best. Anyone remember fighting the sleeper? If you weren't careful you caused cataclysmic deaths on a server-wide scale.
If you like WoW then that's nice. Go back to your game and stop trolling the AoC forums and let the grown-up gamers discuss matters within the game.
Again, you can go back to a few crashes or game freezes and try to label WoW as having a "rocky start" all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. Not only did WoW have immediate success on a scale larger than anyone had even dreamed of, it continued to for not only months later, but years later dominate PC sales. If that is a "rocky start", then every new game rolling out would die for such a start. AoC on the other hand did a complete nose-dive, and continues to today even almost a year later.
It has been proven time and time again that adults make the vast majority of the player base in WoW. The M rating of AoC on the other hand seems to attract some of the worst gaming audience in any MMO. If you want to label WoW easy, than pehaps you have not yet actually played AoC, because it is one of the easiest MMO's there is to play. I made level 25 in about a day, which is equal to the level in your sig. Maybe you need to play it a bit longer to see how poor the game is than a day?
As for the "good 'ole days of EQ", the game is still there. If you love it so much why not play it? Maybe because the reality is is that while EQ was a brilliant game back when it was released, the idea of mindlessly grinding for hours upon hours just to level appeals to very few these days. As a modern MMO, EQ has more weaknesses than strengths. And while being innovative back in it's day may have persuaded many players to keep playing it, with more choices in MMO's today it remains nothing more than a lackluster old classic.
As for WoW being to easy for you, my guess is that you have never actually raided in WoW, or accomplished any arena rating. If you have then player name/server? These things are easily checked now lol!
If you can't admit Wow has had problems maybe you need to re-evaluate the use of the word fanboi, as I've seen you use it quite a few times. There were issues outside of lag and crashes.Every mmo to date has had certain issues, as well as failed promises. It could also be argued Blizzard hasn't exactly given back much of what they have received, how many free expansions have there been thus far? Compare the level of content that has been added to the levels which has been done in EQ2 or even EQ in wow's life span. But, but, but, wow has millions more subscribers you say? Exactly! Yet blizzard hordes that money like a security blanket. They use so much of it to further fund your adventures don't they, lol? Instead they use it to fund other games while the masses pay for test bed systems for future projects and sugar coated rip offs from every other game that releases.
Yes I am not a big fan of WOW, or many other MMO's on the market today, losing interest in AOC already (again) as well. Sure they provide a diversion, but none of them offer an experience that promotes any kind of community. Those days are long gone, instead we have people like this, who worry so much about what everyone else is playing. Rather than worry about the game you're in and how you set an example of what to look forward to when we enter into your domain. It's all an e-peen contest no matter what it's about from your purple epic, to your chosen game. Let me give you some advice, it doesn't make it any bigger.
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
WoW did have a rocky start. It had it's fair share of crashes and bugs (and exploits). WoW, when comparing current and released versions, was a piece of garbage when it released, compared to what you have today. You want to know why it continues to steamroll other MMO's? Because it doesn't require a mid-range system to run smoothly, it's easy and gives you everything, and it's bright and colorful and no gore which parents love. WoW annoys the crap out of me because it's so easy, I prefer a challenge in a game really. I miss the old school days of EQ, when hitting max level was an accomplishment and took many months to hit cap and even then the raids were real raids where there was no "ok dots we need more dots, dot dot dot...ok stop dots." It was attack teh monster and hope for the best. Anyone remember fighting the sleeper? If you weren't careful you caused cataclysmic deaths on a server-wide scale.
If you like WoW then that's nice. Go back to your game and stop trolling the AoC forums and let the grown-up gamers discuss matters within the game.
Again, you can go back to a few crashes or game freezes and try to label WoW as having a "rocky start" all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. Not only did WoW have immediate success on a scale larger than anyone had even dreamed of, it continued to for not only months later, but years later dominate PC sales. If that is a "rocky start", then every new game rolling out would die for such a start. AoC on the other hand did a complete nose-dive, and continues to today even almost a year later.
It has been proven time and time again that adults make the vast majority of the player base in WoW. The M rating of AoC on the other hand seems to attract some of the worst gaming audience in any MMO. If you want to label WoW easy, than pehaps you have not yet actually played AoC, because it is one of the easiest MMO's there is to play. I made level 25 in about a day, which is equal to the level in your sig. Maybe you need to play it a bit longer to see how poor the game is than a day?
As for the "good 'ole days of EQ", the game is still there. If you love it so much why not play it? Maybe because the reality is is that while EQ was a brilliant game back when it was released, the idea of mindlessly grinding for hours upon hours just to level appeals to very few these days. As a modern MMO, EQ has more weaknesses than strengths. And while being innovative back in it's day may have persuaded many players to keep playing it, with more choices in MMO's today it remains nothing more than a lackluster old classic.
As for WoW being to easy for you, my guess is that you have never actually raided in WoW, or accomplished any arena rating. If you have then player name/server? These things are easily checked now lol!
Shadowmane Eldre'thalas. I don't PvP in WoW because Blizzard implemented arenas which killed it. Have fun in WoW once blizzard's new mmo comes out and they dont support the game you probably wasted days, months, years playing.
The raids are easy. I don't play EQ anymroe because the community isn't as large anymore. But you forgot the last line before. I said if you like WoW that's nice. Go back to playing it instead of coming here and trolling the AoC forums. I merely stated the facts about how WoW was craptacular at first since you failed to see them then either A) you're a bandwagon WoW player that started playing just before BC or
you have that fan boy glaze over your eyes that fails to see the obvious wrong. At least I can admit AoC has flaws...still waiting for you to man up and admit the same for WoW.
If you can't admit Wow has had problems maybe you need to re-evaluate the use of the word fanboi, as I've seen you use it quite a few times. There were issues outside of lag and crashes.Every mmo to date has had certain issues, as well as failed promises. It could also be argued Blizzard hasn't exactly given back much of what they have received, how many free expansions have there been thus far? Compare the level of content that has been added to the levels which has been done in EQ2 or even EQ in wow's life span. But, but, but, wow has millions more subscribers you say? Exactly! Yet blizzard hordes that money like a security blanket. They use so much of it to further fund your adventures don't they, lol? Instead they use it to fund other games while the masses pay for test bed systems for future projects and sugar coated rip offs from every other game that releases.
Yes I am not a big fan of WOW, or many other MMO's on the market today, losing interest in AOC already (again) as well. Sure they provide a diversion, but none of them offer an experience that promotes any kind of community. Those days are long gone, instead we have people like this, who worry so much about what everyone else is playing. Rather than worry about the game you're in and how you set an example of what to look forward to when we enter into your domain. It's all an e-peen contest no matter what it's about from your purple epic, to your chosen game. Let me give you some advice, it doesn't make it any bigger.
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You can find problems with anything if you look hard enough. The FACT is is that WoW is the most popular PC game ever. From the day it was released it was popular and continued to become even more popular than anyone even dreamed it could be from day one onward. Whatever problems you experienced have nothing to do with the fact that most people continue to play WoW because it is fun. Free expansions? Blizzard releases new content with every major patch. So yes, there have been many free expansions. EQ was a totally different model, under which Sony decided to release ongoing retail expansion after expansion. As for Blizzard making money, I could care less what they spend it on. They deserve it, they earned it. I realize this may come as a shock to you, but Blizzard and every other gaming company there is exists only to make (or attempt to make) profit.
I wouldn't really call content you can blow through in a week an expansion. Heck, after WotLK went live, within a week, people had already hit cap on levels, professions, and downed the 25-man versions of the hardest raid bosses and got achievments like "The Immortal". I have seen someone go from level 1 to 70 in under 48 hours. If that doesn't scream easy piece of cake I don't know what is. The reason WoW is popular is because of Blizzard's game record and it's so easy to use. Outside of that it is one of the shallowest games out there and lacks any real depth.
It seems this is another thread that has changed from teh original topic which states if you want to play AoC then just play it and not worry about the opinions of others good or bad, make your own. It is a mature game designed for mature gamers who can make a decision on their own. But yet again, people highjack it to bash both WoW and AoC. Am I guilty of it...yes but only because when I say I enjoy AoC, it is my game of choice, some trolls decide they should bash away anyway because I say I think AoC is good. AoC in it's current form is good.
http://www.curse.com/articles/aoc-en-news/516715.aspx
http://pc.ign.com/articles/100/1002200p1.html
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/funcoms-craig-morrison-interview_6
http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/interviews/6246-Age-of-Conan-10-Reasons-to-Give-It-Another-Look
It has also earned enough awards to garner my attention:
http://community.ageofconan.com/wsp/conan/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&func_id=1103&table=PUBLISH&template=reviews&selected=1103
If you feel the need to bash AoC, go to another thread and do it. But to gank this thread and do other-wsie just shows that you must be purely desperate to spit hate about a game to take over a thread stating for people to make their own choices and own opinions about a game.
Ugh, and here I was wondering if AoC was getting better to once again view the dusty old "WoW vs AoC" thread again.
Stick to WoW for fuck's sake and leave other game's threads to those who want to learn/read about said game you ego-centric, attention-grabbing, self-righteous, intellectually impotent sons of bitches!!!
God I love MMORPG...
Give me a fuckin' break. As an American gamer, I'm willing to bet I've played harder mmos and older mmos than you probably have. And AoC is not any more hard or complex than any game released in the last 5 years, including WoW. And I hate to break it to you, but Funcom has a shit reputation in their own damn country of Norway. So you can stuff your American bashing elitism up your arse ( was that european enough for you? ).