I have asked repeatedly for Aarons and Wizard to stay on topic, they had one thread locked already and will continue to post until someone locks this one, they have their own agenda and it has nothing to do with CME/MMOGULS or StarGate Worlds
There are hundreds, if not thousands or people who have lost, will loose and ARE losing everything they have put into these ventures and they are begging for factual information..
The Whiting house of cards infrastructure near collapse, or just into foreclosure. See, it wasn’t a good idea to take the lower spousal support (as if $10,000 is low) and have Gary continue to pay the bills.
What I know for a fact about Whiting is that he's a con man with multiple failed business ventures in his wake and CME/MMOGULs seem to be no exception. Guenther has been accused of mismanaging funds, I can't say if that's true or not. I've seen what he's accused of and there seems to be a large grey area where I personally can't make sense of it, it seems to be no better than one persons word against another. True or not this is an MMORPG forum, I admit that anyone getting involved in an MLM (pyramid scheme) is either dodgy or a sucker. All I see is a guy looking to make a quick buck with this scheme that feels he's been ripped off by Whiting. If Guenther were soliciting money from former investors that want to take Whiting to court I'd be wary, however he isn't. As far as I can tell he's soliciting others who would be plantiffs against Whiting in order to bolster his own case. As long as Guenther is against Whiting then I'm with him on this, Whiting plans to turn an MMORPG into a giant hunting ground for pyramid schemers. Admittedly Guenther would have been happy to have been involved if Whiting had run everything properly, but Whiting didn't. Whiting should be removed from the MMORPG industry and his pyramid scheme should be removed like the cancer it is. I care not who is willing to help towards this, the ends justify the means. Meaning I don't care what you may or may not have done whilst involved in a different business or wether you've been to prison in the past due to a petty criminal act. I care about Whiting being ridden like the disease he is, and if you can help then your past deeds in another place aren't my concern. Hopefully Whiting will be putting this song on his ringtone soon click
Agricola, thanks. My only intent is to see others are not suckered in or hurt, plain and simple. I prefer to point out the elephant in the room before it sits on someone. I kind of like the idea of a Star Gate game, too bad it became secondary to money. Cheers.
I attended the hearing to get a better understanding of the case/facts.
Mr. Gunther comes across as a very intelligent, well-spoken man. The Prosecutor looked unprepared and slightly disorganized. Which in the end, might assist Mr. Gunther in ultimately overcoming the case. With the crazy Gary Whiting as a witness, it shall be interesting to see how she harnesses him in the courtroom.
Unfortunately, Gary Whiting was not there and the case was continued. Therefore, I am so sorry, but there is nothing interesting to report.
p.s. Sheriff Joe is amazing! He makes the prisoners wear pink handcuffs.
From what I have read of all of this (just been a lurker in these forums for months), I would say Mr. Whiting will not attend and makes me wonder if this case will actually continue. I'm thinking it will be dropped. Mr. Whiting has a lot going on and some issues will be brought out into the court.
And from the looks of SGW, as a doctor in another highly successful Sci-Fi IP, but failed MMO (now back into development), said many times,
"Its dead Jim."
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Interesting Day. in Maricopa County....... Whiting really was not required to show up for the hearing today, he will be called as a fact witness as this case progresses. Between now and the next hearing several things might happen. Discovery will be exchanged, subpoena's could be served, depositions, etc etc.. Whiting will eventually have to show up at a trial, raise his hand and take a oath to tell the trurh, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.. That will be impossible, for Whiting doesn't even know what the truth is anymore..
Whiting has told so many lies, so many stories, he actually believes some of his own BS and forgets what he said from time to time.. On thing about the truth, the basic facts and results never change, its easy to remember the truth, tough to remember things when you are constantly lying and scamming people..
WHITING is now going back to groups of original investors. He is representing that he only needs $8Million to bring the game to market.. He says that CME, with $8Million in new money, will bring a game similar to the original Stargate Worlds model to market. So off Whiting goes to the original bunch of big money investors. One group of professional businessmen have invested Millions with Whiting over the past three years, most $500K to $750K each, another group $250K each, all being hit up for MORE money to "finish" the game..
BEFORE YOU GIVE WHITING A DIME, consider this:
Speaking today with several people with first hand info about CME's talent pool, these are the people CME has to bring this new game to market:
Two non paid Artist plus Whiting;s son. Not a 3D artist among them.
Three CODE MONKEYS, no one that can really write code.
NO IT DEPARTMENT, ZERO, ZILCH, NO IT DEPARTMENT, even MMOGULS is being effected. There is no customer service, the conference calls dont work, the sites are down, etc etc etc.. NO IT DEPARTMENT.. Ill give you a complete list of remaining CME employees tomorrow
People have been put on Leave of Absence, by agreement they can apply for un employment compensation, and Whiting agreed to keepthe insurance in force.. He was two months behind, had a termination notice, BUT just came up with the money for the past due premiums.
BEFORE YOU GIVE THIS THIEF A DIME just ask for some of the following:
A certified list of investors, how much they have invested and HOW MUCH STOCK, in what entity, they own.
How about a balance sheet, complete with the "loaned money" to Whiting reflected as a receivable from Whiting
How about a CERTIFIED AUDIT. You would think a Chairman that has taken in over $60Million for his company, now needs MORE, would have a independent certified audit, to give the "first money" investors some comfort and entice them to invest the "last money".. Even a qualified audit from a legitimate NON MORMON CPA, with a balance sheet, and a cash flow statement. How about a uses of cash certification for the additional $8Million he says he needs.....
You won get anything from him, but more BULLSHIT.. He cant give you these things and he damn sure wont allow a big four CPA firm in.. HOW ABOUT TAX RETURNS ON THE 20 plus entities Whiting uses to raise money, hell, how about tax returns on CME. CMG and WHITING.... HOW ABOUT TAX RETURNS AND A BALANCE SHEET ON GARVICK
Tell you what, I support a 501(c)3 called Defenders of Freedom www.defendersoffreedom.us and the Dallas Big Brothers/Big Sisters organization www.bbbs.org.. If you have some money you want to throw away, why not get a tax deduction, feel good about what you did with your money, and know it went to help someone who needs it..
If you have any questions, information, want to share any information just call or email me. If you want to try and get your money back, call me.. If you want to stop this guy, along with several of his cohorts, and see justice done, call me.
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I have asked repeatedly for Aarons and Wizard to stay on topic, they had one thread locked already and will continue to post until someone locks this one, they have their own agenda and it has nothing to do with CME/MMOGULS or StarGate Worlds
There are hundreds, if not thousands or people who have lost, will loose and ARE losing everything they have put into these ventures and they are begging for factual information..
The Whiting house of cards infrastructure near collapse, or just into foreclosure. See, it wasn’t a good idea to take the lower spousal support (as if $10,000 is low) and have Gary continue to pay the bills.
2335 E EL MORO CIR map it... 2572 sq. ft. Entered foreclosure: Jun 15, 2009 Loan amount: $260,000
Agricola, thanks. My only intent is to see others are not suckered in or hurt, plain and simple. I prefer to point out the elephant in the room before it sits on someone. I kind of like the idea of a Star Gate game, too bad it became secondary to money. Cheers.
Wasn't the court case today?
Waiting on a result.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
It was a Pretrial Conference. According to Bob, there's a Continuance until August 27th.
I attended the hearing to get a better understanding of the case/facts.
Mr. Gunther comes across as a very intelligent, well-spoken man. The Prosecutor looked unprepared and slightly disorganized. Which in the end, might assist Mr. Gunther in ultimately overcoming the case. With the crazy Gary Whiting as a witness, it shall be interesting to see how she harnesses him in the courtroom.
Unfortunately, Gary Whiting was not there and the case was continued. Therefore, I am so sorry, but there is nothing interesting to report.
p.s. Sheriff Joe is amazing! He makes the prisoners wear pink handcuffs.
From what I have read of all of this (just been a lurker in these forums for months), I would say Mr. Whiting will not attend and makes me wonder if this case will actually continue. I'm thinking it will be dropped. Mr. Whiting has a lot going on and some issues will be brought out into the court.
And from the looks of SGW, as a doctor in another highly successful Sci-Fi IP, but failed MMO (now back into development), said many times,
"Its dead Jim."
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Interesting Day. in Maricopa County....... Whiting really was not required to show up for the hearing today, he will be called as a fact witness as this case progresses. Between now and the next hearing several things might happen. Discovery will be exchanged, subpoena's could be served, depositions, etc etc.. Whiting will eventually have to show up at a trial, raise his hand and take a oath to tell the trurh, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.. That will be impossible, for Whiting doesn't even know what the truth is anymore..
Whiting has told so many lies, so many stories, he actually believes some of his own BS and forgets what he said from time to time.. On thing about the truth, the basic facts and results never change, its easy to remember the truth, tough to remember things when you are constantly lying and scamming people..
WHITING is now going back to groups of original investors. He is representing that he only needs $8Million to bring the game to market.. He says that CME, with $8Million in new money, will bring a game similar to the original Stargate Worlds model to market. So off Whiting goes to the original bunch of big money investors. One group of professional businessmen have invested Millions with Whiting over the past three years, most $500K to $750K each, another group $250K each, all being hit up for MORE money to "finish" the game..
BEFORE YOU GIVE WHITING A DIME, consider this:
Speaking today with several people with first hand info about CME's talent pool, these are the people CME has to bring this new game to market:
Two non paid Artist plus Whiting;s son. Not a 3D artist among them.
Three CODE MONKEYS, no one that can really write code.
NO IT DEPARTMENT, ZERO, ZILCH, NO IT DEPARTMENT, even MMOGULS is being effected. There is no customer service, the conference calls dont work, the sites are down, etc etc etc.. NO IT DEPARTMENT.. Ill give you a complete list of remaining CME employees tomorrow
People have been put on Leave of Absence, by agreement they can apply for un employment compensation, and Whiting agreed to keepthe insurance in force.. He was two months behind, had a termination notice, BUT just came up with the money for the past due premiums.
BEFORE YOU GIVE THIS THIEF A DIME just ask for some of the following:
A certified list of investors, how much they have invested and HOW MUCH STOCK, in what entity, they own.
How about a balance sheet, complete with the "loaned money" to Whiting reflected as a receivable from Whiting
How about a CERTIFIED AUDIT. You would think a Chairman that has taken in over $60Million for his company, now needs MORE, would have a independent certified audit, to give the "first money" investors some comfort and entice them to invest the "last money".. Even a qualified audit from a legitimate NON MORMON CPA, with a balance sheet, and a cash flow statement. How about a uses of cash certification for the additional $8Million he says he needs.....
You won get anything from him, but more BULLSHIT.. He cant give you these things and he damn sure wont allow a big four CPA firm in.. HOW ABOUT TAX RETURNS ON THE 20 plus entities Whiting uses to raise money, hell, how about tax returns on CME. CMG and WHITING.... HOW ABOUT TAX RETURNS AND A BALANCE SHEET ON GARVICK
Tell you what, I support a 501(c)3 called Defenders of Freedom www.defendersoffreedom.us and the Dallas Big Brothers/Big Sisters organization www.bbbs.org.. If you have some money you want to throw away, why not get a tax deduction, feel good about what you did with your money, and know it went to help someone who needs it..
If you have any questions, information, want to share any information just call or email me. If you want to try and get your money back, call me.. If you want to stop this guy, along with several of his cohorts, and see justice done, call me.
Bob Guenther bob@jaffapartners.com 214.587.3977